Re: Frustrated

[Guest guest]

Nick,

If my temp at the 75mcg was usually around 98.1 and my ave stays like that today

and tomorrow after i've dropped down to 62.5mcg t3, what does that mean?

>

> >I'll give it a week and check back.

>

>

> you may well be able to go back to 75 after a day or two, it's just

> starting slow as you are raising HC a little

>

> nick

>

[Guest guest]

Nick,

what would be a good 6 times a day schedule for 75mcg?

I'm taking my HC 10,10,5,5 foru hours apart, except the last dose is at bed

thanks so much,

>

> >

> >If my temp at the 75mcg was usually around 98.1 and my ave stays like that

today and tomorrow after i've dropped down to 62.5mcg t3, what does that mean?

>

> Probably that you were too low on adrenals to cope with 75 dosed the

> way you had it.

>

> You are still hypo though so try 75 but spread out in 6 doses so it's

> low on adrenal pressure.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

Barb-I have no advice, but I love your post. I agree with what you said and how you phrased it.DawnTo: intuitive eating <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:00:39 PMSubject:

frustrated

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the

sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

Barb-I have no advice, but I love your post. I agree with what you said and how you phrased it.DawnTo: intuitive eating <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:00:39 PMSubject:

frustrated

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the

sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

Barb-I have no advice, but I love your post. I agree with what you said and how you phrased it.DawnTo: intuitive eating <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:00:39 PMSubject:

frustrated

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the

sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

I don't want to get too far into this topic, but, I felt the need to add more and tell the OP, Barb, no, I don't think you are sticking your head in the sand, and I think you and your therapist need to have a long talk about this, and wonder if you don't need to be open to considering if your relationship with this particular therapist is running it's course.Okay, just after I sent my first response, my husband and I were talking about this. He feels he doesn't do well with moderation, that he doesn't have the ability to moderate his food intake. He doesn't just want 2 crackers (like the two I just allowed myself because darn it all, for half an hour I've wanted those stupid crackers) he wants the whole box and doesn't trust himself. Calling it an addiction (which I

refuse to use in my house itself) gives him an out on this issue in that manner. Once I learned, once I told myself, that look, throw that chicken nugget away, you can get in the car and buy more at any time, I was able to throw it away and not go to town to get more, because I didn't really want it, nor did I need it. If it was a true addiction, that wouldn't have been the case, the struggle not to go get the chicken nugget would have been much harder. In the movie Keeping the Faith, the female lead asks the priest about sex or the lack of, and he replies, "You get used to it." She scoffs and comments on how long it's been since she quit smoking and that sometimes she wants to french kiss strangers she sees smoking for the nicotine. To me, that explains the difference. DawnTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:09:03 AMSubject: Re: frustrated

HI, All.

My two cents: Yes, we develop a dopamine driven urge to seek food, which has an opiate reward, and this is the fundamental model for an addiction. But what makes it different from all other addictions is that there is a vital human need for food and a built in mechanism in the body for dealing real or perceived threats of deprivation. And what we often call "food addiction" because it behaves like a drug addiction, is what happens when the body is threatened with food deprivation. While you can deal with any other addiction through abstinence, in the case of food addiction, it is abstinence itself, or the threat of it, which is the most frequent cause of it.

I do know that for me, going the "food addiction" route only contributed to my having less trust in myself and being more ravenous. Good luck, all.

April

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

I don't want to get too far into this topic, but, I felt the need to add more and tell the OP, Barb, no, I don't think you are sticking your head in the sand, and I think you and your therapist need to have a long talk about this, and wonder if you don't need to be open to considering if your relationship with this particular therapist is running it's course.Okay, just after I sent my first response, my husband and I were talking about this. He feels he doesn't do well with moderation, that he doesn't have the ability to moderate his food intake. He doesn't just want 2 crackers (like the two I just allowed myself because darn it all, for half an hour I've wanted those stupid crackers) he wants the whole box and doesn't trust himself. Calling it an addiction (which I

refuse to use in my house itself) gives him an out on this issue in that manner. Once I learned, once I told myself, that look, throw that chicken nugget away, you can get in the car and buy more at any time, I was able to throw it away and not go to town to get more, because I didn't really want it, nor did I need it. If it was a true addiction, that wouldn't have been the case, the struggle not to go get the chicken nugget would have been much harder. In the movie Keeping the Faith, the female lead asks the priest about sex or the lack of, and he replies, "You get used to it." She scoffs and comments on how long it's been since she quit smoking and that sometimes she wants to french kiss strangers she sees smoking for the nicotine. To me, that explains the difference. DawnTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:09:03 AMSubject: Re: frustrated

HI, All.

My two cents: Yes, we develop a dopamine driven urge to seek food, which has an opiate reward, and this is the fundamental model for an addiction. But what makes it different from all other addictions is that there is a vital human need for food and a built in mechanism in the body for dealing real or perceived threats of deprivation. And what we often call "food addiction" because it behaves like a drug addiction, is what happens when the body is threatened with food deprivation. While you can deal with any other addiction through abstinence, in the case of food addiction, it is abstinence itself, or the threat of it, which is the most frequent cause of it.

I do know that for me, going the "food addiction" route only contributed to my having less trust in myself and being more ravenous. Good luck, all.

April

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

I don't want to get too far into this topic, but, I felt the need to add more and tell the OP, Barb, no, I don't think you are sticking your head in the sand, and I think you and your therapist need to have a long talk about this, and wonder if you don't need to be open to considering if your relationship with this particular therapist is running it's course.Okay, just after I sent my first response, my husband and I were talking about this. He feels he doesn't do well with moderation, that he doesn't have the ability to moderate his food intake. He doesn't just want 2 crackers (like the two I just allowed myself because darn it all, for half an hour I've wanted those stupid crackers) he wants the whole box and doesn't trust himself. Calling it an addiction (which I

refuse to use in my house itself) gives him an out on this issue in that manner. Once I learned, once I told myself, that look, throw that chicken nugget away, you can get in the car and buy more at any time, I was able to throw it away and not go to town to get more, because I didn't really want it, nor did I need it. If it was a true addiction, that wouldn't have been the case, the struggle not to go get the chicken nugget would have been much harder. In the movie Keeping the Faith, the female lead asks the priest about sex or the lack of, and he replies, "You get used to it." She scoffs and comments on how long it's been since she quit smoking and that sometimes she wants to french kiss strangers she sees smoking for the nicotine. To me, that explains the difference. DawnTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:09:03 AMSubject: Re: frustrated

HI, All.

My two cents: Yes, we develop a dopamine driven urge to seek food, which has an opiate reward, and this is the fundamental model for an addiction. But what makes it different from all other addictions is that there is a vital human need for food and a built in mechanism in the body for dealing real or perceived threats of deprivation. And what we often call "food addiction" because it behaves like a drug addiction, is what happens when the body is threatened with food deprivation. While you can deal with any other addiction through abstinence, in the case of food addiction, it is abstinence itself, or the threat of it, which is the most frequent cause of it.

I do know that for me, going the "food addiction" route only contributed to my having less trust in myself and being more ravenous. Good luck, all.

April

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb