Re: funky feeling in throat since starting HC

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oops! I meant to post this on the adrenal list. Super sorry!! I'll post it

there now!

>

> Hi there.

>

> I hope folks are taking good care amidst it all!

>

> Quick hx: I started HC after not tolerating T3 only therapy (we think I have

some hormone resistance), Rt3/t3 ratio: 11 and low cortisol labs. Am on 1/2

grain NT and 25mcg T3 and started HC on 10 January - 27.5mg in five doses (every

three hours and bed).

>

> Since around Christmas I've felt like I have a scratchy throat that won't

resolve. And above and beyond that, now I feel a sort of pressure or almost like

there is a little something caught in my throat at the thyroid - just below

adam's apple. This has started since being on HC - at least I think. Or, could

it be because of the T3? Or the HC is allowing more T3 in and something is

happening!?!?!!!

>

> Any thoughts about what this is telling me? I KNOW it's telling me something!

>

> I'm having trouble stabilizing on HC - my temp has DEFINITELY gone up, so some

T3 is getting in there - 98.7 at noon today, but it can drop some, which it did

when I forgot a dose of HC yesterday. My sxs (diminished consciousness and

fatigue) got somewhat better when I started HC, but are not good again.

>

> Anyway, just giving you a context. I also am the one who had 6 ferritin, did

IV iron, got up to 180, now dropped down to 56 again. Starting to supp 200mg a

day with solgar's gentle iron after reading birrdy's good results.

(Constipation has started, but I was constipated before.)

>

> Thanks much!!!!

>

> ~ Carol

>

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I get that scratchy throat thing anytime I try to raise my thyroid dose or I'm

taking more thyroid but it's not being used due to RT3.

In fact...I went up 1/4 grain yesterday and I have that scratchy throat thing

today...annoying. When I went up on my HC...it also happened and I had to cut

back my thyroid dosing. For the increased HC caused more RT3 which is not what's

supposed to happen, but my labs reflected the increase in RT3 when I went from

25mg of HC to 30mg of HC and I was on less thyroid with the 30mgs of HC.

While no expert here, the only thing that helps me get rid of the scratchy

throat and lump is to back down the thyroid hormones. Since I don't convert them

right, they cause this reaction when I try to take more of them. It appears to

me from messing with this stuff for two years that this is because of my RT3

issue, when I try to take more thyroid..it just pools around and causes

problems. So you may have to lower the thyroid until you get situated on the HC.

Or drop the NatureThroid if you have an RT3 problem.

Jan

>

> Hi there.

>

> I hope folks are taking good care amidst it all!

>

> Quick hx: I started HC after not tolerating T3 only therapy (we think I have

some hormone resistance), Rt3/t3 ratio: 11 and low cortisol labs. Am on 1/2

grain NT and 25mcg T3 and started HC on 10 January - 27.5mg in five doses (every

three hours and bed).

>

> Since around Christmas I've felt like I have a scratchy throat that won't

resolve. And above and beyond that, now I feel a sort of pressure or almost like

there is a little something caught in my throat at the thyroid - just below

adam's apple. This has started since being on HC - at least I think. Or, could

it be because of the T3? Or the HC is allowing more T3 in and something is

happening!?!?!!!

>

> Any thoughts about what this is telling me? I KNOW it's telling me something!

>

> I'm having trouble stabilizing on HC - my temp has DEFINITELY gone up, so some

T3 is getting in there - 98.7 at noon today, but it can drop some, which it did

when I forgot a dose of HC yesterday. My sxs (diminished consciousness and

fatigue) got somewhat better when I started HC, but are not good again.

>

> Anyway, just giving you a context. I also am the one who had 6 ferritin, did

IV iron, got up to 180, now dropped down to 56 again. Starting to supp 200mg a

day with solgar's gentle iron after reading birrdy's good results.

(Constipation has started, but I was constipated before.)

>

> Thanks much!!!!

>

> ~ Carol

>

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Not drop the thyroid just swap the naturla for T3 only.

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val, my repost of this didn't get posted on the adrenal labs. i'm feeling weird

and almost toxic and super headachy (800mg ibuprofen won't knock it out) and

awful in addition to this catch or fullness at my thyroid. and, i SO don't

overreact to things. i can't tell if i'm taking too much t3 (i'm only on 25mcg)

but, again, i'm the one who can't go up on it and can't go off the NT. I know

something is really off. And, I was feeling better when I first started. I

could really use your thoughts. my temps are going up to 98.6 and then down

some. when i tried yesterday to raise the HC by 2.5, i got really thick headed.

oy, i don't know what to do. for once, i'd like to not have the atypical

reaction to things!

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> Not drop the thyroid just swap the naturla for T3 only.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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thanks much for your thoughts, jan. i so appreciate it.

i can't drop the NT - when i did that i had to miss a week of work.(and i dosed

right, per consulting with this list.) val and nick think i might be living

off the T2 in the NT, as i'm damned if i go up on T3 and damned if i try to go

off NT!! but, no way you could know that. it's feeling like a block now,

though i know it's not. i also posted to val how it's feeling. i also have

ferritin issues. maybe my thyroid is saying to back off the t3, though i'm on a

low dose. sooooooo confusing!

again, thanks much!

> >

> > Hi there.

> >

> > I hope folks are taking good care amidst it all!

> >

> > Quick hx: I started HC after not tolerating T3 only therapy (we think I have

some hormone resistance), Rt3/t3 ratio: 11 and low cortisol labs. Am on 1/2

grain NT and 25mcg T3 and started HC on 10 January - 27.5mg in five doses (every

three hours and bed).

> >

> > Since around Christmas I've felt like I have a scratchy throat that won't

resolve. And above and beyond that, now I feel a sort of pressure or almost like

there is a little something caught in my throat at the thyroid - just below

adam's apple. This has started since being on HC - at least I think. Or, could

it be because of the T3? Or the HC is allowing more T3 in and something is

happening!?!?!!!

> >

> > Any thoughts about what this is telling me? I KNOW it's telling me

something!

> >

> > I'm having trouble stabilizing on HC - my temp has DEFINITELY gone up, so

some T3 is getting in there - 98.7 at noon today, but it can drop some, which it

did when I forgot a dose of HC yesterday. My sxs (diminished consciousness and

fatigue) got somewhat better when I started HC, but are not good again.

> >

> > Anyway, just giving you a context. I also am the one who had 6 ferritin,

did IV iron, got up to 180, now dropped down to 56 again. Starting to supp

200mg a day with solgar's gentle iron after reading birrdy's good results.

(Constipation has started, but I was constipated before.)

> >

> > Thanks much!!!!

> >

> > ~ Carol

> >

>

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>i also have ferritin issues. maybe my thyroid is saying to back off the t3,

though i'm on a low dose. sooooooo confusing!

Until that Ferrritin is up you may well get all sorts of issues

Nick

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How low os your ferritin? Low ferritin below 50 will cause horrid

symtoms when you try to increase T3 as your body simple cannto use it

right. You may need to just work on the ferritin til it is better enough

to tolerate the T3.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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I haven't tried to raise my T3 in quite a while. I've beens steady at 25mcg of

T3 and 1/2 grain NT.

I've touched base with you about my ferritin. It's only 56 - not bad. I'm the

one whose ferritin was 6, did rounds of IV iron and it went up to 185. Then

retested months later and it was 88 and now it's 56. So, we know it's dropping

and we need to catch it before it drops more, but it currently isn't horrible.

(that test was done just days ago.) We decided I'd try to go on iron for a

couple of weeks (constipation!) and then try to raise my T3. So, I don't think

the ferritin is causing this, and I know it's not a raise in the T3, since I

haven't but it could be the HC letting my cells get some T3 and it's too much.

(btw, I took 1,600mg of ibu and an ativan and was able to sleep and woke up with

no headache. I also imperfectly cut my normal dose of bed T3 (6.25) in half!

and took my regular 2.5mg HC at bed.

The thing is, when I first started HC (10 Jan) I felt like I had more energy

(good, grounded energy) - not perfect by any stretch, but some energy. And my

diminished consciousness (better description than brain fog) was a tiny better.

I had some hope. But, now it's getting worse again. And sometimes the HC makes

me feel more foggy, too.

My BP is still low, though systolic # is up a bit on fludro and HC, my HR is

still low 60-63 (though that's up from avg. 57), I never get palps. The only

thing that's going up is my temps. 98.2 at waking this morning. Up to 98.65

yesterday, though down to a hair below 98 at one point. It seems like the HC is

letting the T3 get in some - or intermittently, and then either I can't hold it,

or it's too much or both. I'm thinking of LOWERING my T3, but not sure by how

much. (The Holtorf doc gave me a gamma globulin shot a couple of days ago,

which is miraculous for some with my debilitating brain fog, and I'd think that

was it, but this thing in my throat lets me know it's a T3 thing -directly or

indirectly from HC. No other sxs from the shot.)

(As a reminder, I think I said in a previous post in this thread how I couldn't

go just on T3 as much as I was dying to, I missed a week of work because I did

NOT have the biochemicals I needed to walk and talk and function. Very literally

- and I already feel like that to a lesser degree, anyway. And before that when

I tried to raise my NT to deal with hypo, I felt muddied and awful. I'm feeling

so dejected and at a loss...

Cheery post, no?!? ;-)

Thanks, for your thoughts and guidance.

>

> How low os your ferritin? Low ferritin below 50 will cause horrid

> symtoms when you try to increase T3 as your body simple cannto use it

> right. You may need to just work on the ferritin til it is better enough

> to tolerate the T3.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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Hi Carol,

Just a couple of quick thoughts that popped up in reading your e-mail.

For the constipation that you get when taking iron, you can take magnesium supplements - particularly helpful if you take them at bedtime. My doc prescribed 1000 mg of Magnesium along with a calcium supplement. You can increase the dose of Magnesium until you see diarrhea, then back off by one pill. The magnesium will keep you from getting constipated.

Also, re the energy issue - have you had your Vitamin D tested? My doc is testing everyone now for low vitamin d -- it has become a big issue since so many folks are staying indoors or using sunscreen. Mine was very low. When I started supplementing, I saw a big improvement in my energy and positive mood. I take 5,000 IU of Vitamin D or more daily.

Co-Q10 can also help with your energy levels.

Subject: Re: funky feeling in throat since starting HCTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 11:42 AM

I haven't tried to raise my T3 in quite a while. I've beens steady at 25mcg of T3 and 1/2 grain NT. I've touched base with you about my ferritin. It's only 56 - not bad. I'm the one whose ferritin was 6, did rounds of IV iron and it went up to 185. Then retested months later and it was 88 and now it's 56. So, we know it's dropping and we need to catch it before it drops more, but it currently isn't horrible. (that test was done just days ago.) We decided I'd try to go on iron for a couple of weeks (constipation! ) and then try to raise my T3. So, I don't think the ferritin is causing this, and I know it's not a raise in the T3, since I haven't but it could be the HC letting my cells get some T3 and it's too much.(btw, I took 1,600mg of ibu and an ativan and was able to sleep and woke up with no headache. I also imperfectly cut my normal dose of bed T3 (6.25) in half! and took my regular 2.5mg HC at bed.The thing is, when I

first started HC (10 Jan) I felt like I had more energy (good, grounded energy) - not perfect by any stretch, but some energy. And my diminished consciousness (better description than brain fog) was a tiny better. I had some hope. But, now it's getting worse again. And sometimes the HC makes me feel more foggy, too.My BP is still low, though systolic # is up a bit on fludro and HC, my HR is still low 60-63 (though that's up from avg. 57), I never get palps. The only thing that's going up is my temps. 98.2 at waking this morning. Up to 98.65 yesterday, though down to a hair below 98 at one point. It seems like the HC is letting the T3 get in some - or intermittently, and then either I can't hold it, or it's too much or both. I'm thinking of LOWERING my T3, but not sure by how much. (The Holtorf doc gave me a gamma globulin shot a couple of days ago, which is miraculous for some with my debilitating brain fog, and I'd think that was it, but this

thing in my throat lets me know it's a T3 thing -directly or indirectly from HC. No other sxs from the shot.)(As a reminder, I think I said in a previous post in this thread how I couldn't go just on T3 as much as I was dying to, I missed a week of work because I did NOT have the biochemicals I needed to walk and talk and function. Very literally - and I already feel like that to a lesser degree, anyway. And before that when I tried to raise my NT to deal with hypo, I felt muddied and awful. I'm feeling so dejected and at a loss...Cheery post, no?!? ;-)Thanks, for your thoughts and guidance.>> How low os your ferritin? Low ferritin below 50 will cause horrid > symtoms

when you try to increase T3 as your body simple cannto use it > right. You may need to just work on the ferritin til it is better enough > to tolerate the T3.> > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/>

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>(As a reminder, I think I said in a previous post in this thread how I couldn't

go just on T3 as much as I was dying to, I missed a week of work because I did

NOT have the biochemicals I needed to walk and talk and function. Very literally

- and I already feel like that to a lesser degree, anyway. And before that when

I tried to raise my NT to deal with hypo, I felt muddied and awful. I'm feeling

so dejected and at a loss...

>

>Cheery post, no?!? ;-)

A difficut place to be in.

When I made major changes to meds, first trying a bed time dose of

natural (didn't work for me) and then swapping from 12 grains of

natural onto 100 of T3 I waited for a long weekend before trying

things just in case they left me feeling out of sorts.

It may be worth trying at easter or even taking a couple of days off

to make a long weekend and trying T3 only in such a way that you don't

have to go to work the next day..

>

>Thanks, for your thoughts and guidance.

Just a thought in case it helps

Nick

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>Since around Christmas I've felt like I have a scratchy throat that won't

resolve. And above and beyond that, now I feel a sort of pressure or almost like

there is a little something caught in my throat at the thyroid - just below

adam's apple. This has started since being on HC - at least I think. Or, could

it be because of the T3? Or the HC is allowing more T3 in and something is

happening!?!?!!!

Have you got hashi's, could be an antibody flare up??

Are you taking iodine, that can make this sort of thing worse

Nick

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I'm taking thousands of mgs. of magnesium citrate, and it's not helping. I'll

try more. I take 10,000 IU of Vit D, and am getting levels checked.

Thanks so much- both great suggestions!

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> > How low os your ferritin? Low ferritin below 50 will cause horrid

> > symtoms when you try to increase T3 as your body simple cannto use it

> > right. You may need to just work on the ferritin til it is better enough

> > to tolerate the T3.

> >

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> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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> > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

> >

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Hi nick. I was originally diagnosed with hashi's, but then had no antibodies

(or maybe low antibodies) and so my doc said I didn't have it anymore? I

haven't experienced flares before, but then I've never tried to be on this much

T3 (which I know is low in terms of getting rid of RT3 dominance). Can

increasing T3 or increasing HC that in turn gets T3 in the cells trigger a

flare? If so, is the answer to go down on T3? Or HC?

>

> >Since around Christmas I've felt like I have a scratchy throat that won't

resolve. And above and beyond that, now I feel a sort of pressure or almost like

there is a little something caught in my throat at the thyroid - just below

adam's apple. This has started since being on HC - at least I think. Or, could

it be because of the T3? Or the HC is allowing more T3 in and something is

happening!?!?!!!

>

> Have you got hashi's, could be an antibody flare up??

>

> Are you taking iodine, that can make this sort of thing worse

>

> Nick

>

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Also, Nick, if this helps - I'm not having typical HYPER symptoms at all.

Everything is low, except increasing temps to 98.6 or 98.7, though that is

fluctuating down to 98 or 97.9. though last night I did have a feeling of

" internal agitation " and I don't mean that in an emotional way, it was like

something internally was stirred up, like a bees nest or something!

>

> >Since around Christmas I've felt like I have a scratchy throat that won't

resolve. And above and beyond that, now I feel a sort of pressure or almost like

there is a little something caught in my throat at the thyroid - just below

adam's apple. This has started since being on HC - at least I think. Or, could

it be because of the T3? Or the HC is allowing more T3 in and something is

happening!?!?!!!

>

> Have you got hashi's, could be an antibody flare up??

>

> Are you taking iodine, that can make this sort of thing worse

>

> Nick

>

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You may have a thrush or a yeast infection in your throat. HC can cause a yeast

infection to flare up. How does your tongue look? Is it clean or is there

anything on it?

I just had a huge yeast flare up with the " something caught in my throat "

sensation from taking too much HC.

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My tongue is pretty clean, and mercifully I haven't had yeast issues - well, at

least ones that I know of! That was a great suggestion to think about, thanks

so much!

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> You may have a thrush or a yeast infection in your throat. HC can cause a

yeast infection to flare up. How does your tongue look? Is it clean or is

there anything on it?

>

> I just had a huge yeast flare up with the " something caught in my throat "

sensation from taking too much HC.

>