Re: Re: More arrhythmia...

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That's what I'm talking about! Shouldn't we, while on HC, trying different doses, check the adrenals regularly with all tests possible, to find out how they're doing, and to find out when we shut them down completely etc. ? I felt better on 20 mg HC than on 27.5 mg HC. I looked skinnier and just felt better. Could be because I had more adrenaline, but I am not sure.What tests do we have to do regularly to check upon our adrenals?T.

 

Well, people got into an argument with me on the adrenal forum, but I have tested my AM cortisol while ON HC. My reasoning was just what you said: HC has a very short half life so the cortisol in the test should be what my body is making. When I was on 35 mg HC, my AM cortisol was .7. Yes, that's .7, less than 1. When on 20 mg HC, my AM Cortisol was 11, when on 17.5 HC, it was 14.8. So where is the extra AM cortisol coming from if not my own adrenals? I really think the 35 HC was too much for me and shut down my HPA axis, although I hadn't tested ACTH at the time so can't know for sure. But havign weaned down off of 35 HC, my ACTH is definitely in high gear -- so I didn't give myself secondary adrenal insufficiency, although my adrenals still can't make what my body needs. I don't want to shut my HPA totally off, though, if I can help it. I definitely felt worse when that happened, not to mention my sodium and potassium both went in the toilet

along with my testosterone, which is not good for your bones.

I have recently been contemplating getting an ACTH test done AFTER I take my morning HC to make sure I'm not dropping it too low. I think I need to raise my HC a tad because of recent increases in t3, but like I said, I don't want to turn off my HPA axis.

Kathleen

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> >Aha, but won't the serum cortisol result prove whether I am low or normal or high in cortisol? Or is that just in serum anyway - Being it that it's the cortisol in the CELLS that matter? What is your take on that, Nick?

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> OK, I am NOT an adrenal person, Val knows FAR more about that than I

> do.

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> Gut feeling is that cortisol levels have a VERY short half life in the

> body, MUCH less than T3 and hence the levels are VERY dependant on

> what you are supplementing and the timing of it. Just look at the

> daily saliva reference results banding for that.

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> When you have a morning cortisol serum result that was taken before

> your morning HC supplementation what are you going to compare it

> with?? Which reference level??? It's not the night time reading so

> that reference is wrong, you can't use the morning one either as you

> haven't kicked the levels to where they should be in the morning.

>

> Seems pretty meaningless.

>

> Nick

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No point testignit at all.

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Listen I am NOT havign this argument again. If oyu want to terst it and

screw your sdosing up try ing tto adjust using it. Go ahead btu DO NOT

come her eand freak out at every symtp0ms you get from doing that, I

have seen probably several hundred folks their docs have tried to do

that and knwo what? That is how they ended up on the adrenals fprum

loolking for help.

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If You say so Val. :)So there is literally no way of knowing you're on enough or too much HC other than symptoms? Cause I have no idea how much HC I need. All I know is that I'm getting more and more bloated. I know you recommended goign down a bit on the dose, but.. Won't that put my T3 into risk? I mean, I need cortisol to get that T3 into the cells right? Val do you know if I can take allopurinol (for uric acid) while taking HC? Haven't taken it in a while, and I don't want those kidney stones to get worse (already have many lying around in both kidneys!) and, I know HC is hard on the stomach, and yesterday (as well as today) I had this pain in my stomach and it won't go away. Is it safe taking HC while having such stomach pains? HC could be the culprit?

 

No point testignit at all.

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I did this mistake once (or twice?) and I'm not gonna repeat it! I will do my HC no matter what I do now. Wake up, food, HC, then do STUFF. Never wait with the HC. Hate feeling like an idiot. :-) I think people who might read this might learn how important it is to take their HC before they go out their door to do stuff!

 

Listen I am NOT havign this argument again. If oyu want to terst it and

screw your sdosing up try ing tto adjust using it. Go ahead btu DO NOT

come her eand freak out at every symtp0ms you get from doing that, I

have seen probably several hundred folks their docs have tried to do

that and knwo what? That is how they ended up on the adrenals fprum

loolking for help.

 

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It is easy to tell when oyu have gone too high after a whiel When ti si

damaging you will have a HUGE belly. The problem I have seen is that you

sometimes have to go HIGH to supress ATCh to heal adrneals., But

your proble is more the low ferritin than the cortisol I think when you

get your ferritn levels and T3 levesl right you wil not need the HC.

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Comforting words. Ferritin fixes the thyroid situation. T3-meds start working while on HC as well. Then, when everything is fine, I can ween off of HC. I get it! I just hope that's the case. Gotta get those tonsils fixed first, too! They can play a part in AF..Going to the GP now with terrible stomach pains. Val, how can I take HC if I have stomach problems?

 

It is easy to tell when oyu have gone too high after a whiel When ti si

damaging you will have a HUGE belly. The problem I have seen is that you

sometimes have to go HIGH to supress ATCh to heal adrneals., But

your proble is more the low ferritin than the cortisol I think when you

get your ferritn levels and T3 levesl right you wil not need the HC.

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