Re: More arrhythmia...

[Guest guest]

>Got real hungry. Ate a few carrot pieces and some almonds. At 12:00, I took HC

and T3. Then after 2-3 minutes, I got arrhythmia while in the store. Lasted for

6-7 seconds. Heart was NOT beating normally. It skipped and skipped and shook

and twisted. :-( Thought I was gonna die.

>Why did that happen?

Um, taking meds late and eating before taking them maybe?????

If you are going to the Drs pre-meds then take the meds with you so

you can take them immediately after the blood draw.

Nick

[Guest guest]

You missed your AM HC dose, this is the most vital dose of the day. It

literally tells you NOTHING to test cortilsl while on HC. Why do you

continue to torture yourself?

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Didn't miss the dose! I usually take my first T3/HC dose at 10-12, so... Today I took it at 12. Yesterdaym, 12 as well. The only difference is that I left my house without taking the meds first, cause I know I have to wait with T3 when doing a thyroid panel! All samples are for free here, so I took the morning cortisol as well. Even if I know I cannot trust the results. I was sleepy and wasn't thinking clearly, maybe that's why I took cortisol as well. Anyway. Do you think I got the arrhythmia just because I left the house without taking the meds? Didn't really walk much. Had a buddy drive me those 7 minutes down to the GP's office, walked in there (10 yards), waited for 45 minutes, then sat down to drain the blood. I had a small meal before I left home. Maybe too small? Slept from 3 am to 10:30. Not enough sleep too?As for upping T3 today: Will it be

ok if I up my second dose to 10 mcg? Right now I take 10, 5, 5, 5, 5 = 30 mcg T3. This is day 8 on 30 mcg so maybe it's time for an increase. Is it safer to do the increase on a day I feel good? My heart feels like I have pain in it now. And with that arrhytmia 2 hours ago, I feel just horrible now.T.

You missed your AM HC dose, this is the most vital dose of the day. It

literally tells you NOTHING to test cortilsl while on HC. Why do you

continue to torture yourself?

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[Guest guest]

But I must eat before taking meds! I always do. If I don't eat before I take HC, it will burn a hole in my stomach! I tried taking it with no food in June, not a good idea. Diarrea mayhem. I took my meds maybe 10 minutes after the blood was drawn, along with 20 almond nuts and some sea salt water. Then 3 minutes later, I got the arrhythmia. Is there a connection between the meds, the 3 mins, and the arrhythmia? Maybe I need to take HC _before_ I take T3 to be sure I have enough cortisol for the T3 to work safely in me? Lately I've been taking HC and T3 in one gulp.What's your take on upping T3 today? It's day 8 on 30 mcg. I am on 64 mg iron daily (still upping that!), and had a Ferritin of 64 1 1/2 week ago. I now have only 3 hours in between my T3 doses. Would it be safe to do 10 mcg T3 at 12 like I did today, then up the next dose to 10 mcg at 3 pm? I

am worried about the arrhythmia. Is there a chance I got it from the T3 itself? Only 3-5 minutes after taking it?

>Got real hungry. Ate a few carrot pieces and some almonds. At 12:00, I took HC and T3. Then after 2-3 minutes, I got arrhythmia while in the store. Lasted for 6-7 seconds. Heart was NOT beating normally. It skipped and skipped and shook and twisted. :-( Thought I was gonna die.

>Why did that happen?

Um, taking meds late and eating before taking them maybe?????

If you are going to the Drs pre-meds then take the meds with you so

you can take them immediately after the blood draw.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I got arrhythmia while in the store. Lasted for 6-7 seconds. Heart was NOT

beating normally. It skipped and skipped and shook and twisted. :-( Thought I

was gonna die.

>Why did that happen?

Looks like my reply earlier got lost in the pipeline

Taking your meds late and eating before them seems a very plausible

reason.

Next time you are having a blood draw done take your meds to the Drs

with you so you can take them as soon as the blood has been taken

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Do you think I got the arrhythmia just because I left the house without taking

the meds? Didn't really walk much. Had a buddy drive me those 7 minutes down to

the GP's office, walked in there (10 yards), waited for 45 minutes, then sat

down to drain the blood. I had a small meal before I left home. Maybe too small?

Slept from 3 am to 10:30. Not enough sleep too?

My theory is eating before the HC was the issue.

The serum cortisol isn't going to tell you anything anyway.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>But I must eat before taking meds! I always do. If I don't eat before I take

HC, it will burn a hole in my stomach!

My gut feeling is the exhertion and delay were the issue.

Eating and taking HC at the time time before doing things is fine.

Eating, followed by your Dr visit, and then taking meds after is

different

Nick

[Guest guest]

I know that thing about serum cortisol.But why is eating before HC an issue? I always eat before HC. I eat for about 10 minutes, then take my HC. This time I ate, waited about 1 hour, took my HC and T3 after blood samples.

>Do you think I got the arrhythmia just because I left the house without taking the meds? Didn't really walk much. Had a buddy drive me those 7 minutes down to the GP's office, walked in there (10 yards), waited for 45 minutes, then sat down to drain the blood. I had a small meal before I left home. Maybe too small? Slept from 3 am to 10:30. Not enough sleep too?

My theory is eating before the HC was the issue.

The serum cortisol isn't going to tell you anything anyway.

Nick

[Guest guest]

So how can any person who are on HC and T3 take blood samples to check things if they can't await 1 hour extra taking their meds? :\What do you mean by exhertion and delay?

>But I must eat before taking meds! I always do. If I don't eat before I take HC, it will burn a hole in my stomach!

My gut feeling is the exhertion and delay were the issue.

Eating and taking HC at the time time before doing things is fine.

Eating, followed by your Dr visit, and then taking meds after is

different

Nick

[Guest guest]

I never leave home with my HC and T3, both the upcoming doses, and extra. I always do that + leave some at home. I am getting the hang of this, slowly. But stil, I took my HC/T3 at approx the same time today as I did yesterday. Noon. And I always eat before I take HC anyway. How come eating before taking HC/T3 be a problem? One must eat before taking HC at least. And I can't take T3 on an empty stomach, cause I need to eat first then take HC so that the HC prepares my cells for the T3!

>I got arrhythmia while in the store. Lasted for 6-7 seconds. Heart was NOT beating normally. It skipped and skipped and shook and twisted. :-( Thought I was gonna die.

>Why did that happen?

Looks like my reply earlier got lost in the pipeline

Taking your meds late and eating before them seems a very plausible

reason.

Next time you are having a blood draw done take your meds to the Drs

with you so you can take them as soon as the blood has been taken

Nick

[Guest guest]

I was thinking.. I stopped taking Magnesium supps (133 mg, not much..) 3 days ago. Maybe I _am_ magnesium deficient but don't know about it cause my serum magnesium is at 1.0 (range 0.71 to 0.94) - I have ordered that RBC Magnesium test. Will get the answer in the end of this month. Can low Magnesium cause arrhythmia?As for electrolytes. How fast do they change? Let's say I drink 1 glass of sea salt water, do the blood sample. And the result is a Sodium at 140 or 144 (I've seen both results like that, after drinking the same amount of sea salted water) - How fast will the level go down to bottom range, and how high will the Sodium go after drinking 1 liter (0.25 gallon) of sea salted water (1 tea spoon) through one day? I am very curious about this.The feeling in my heart now is not good. Ever since noon and that arrhythmia, I have had pain in

my heart, and a "tickling" feeling which is constant. I feel tired and sleepy. Basically, I feel like I should be lying in some clinic specialized in Hypothyroidism and Adrenal fatigue. Do they exist somewhere? I'd like to go there and just commit myself...Pulse is around 75-80 is always. Temp 37.0 (98.6).

[Guest guest]

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>So how can any person who are on HC and T3 take blood samples to check things

if they can't await 1 hour extra taking their meds? :\

They can wait for the T3, It's the HC that you started the day without

and needed to have in your system.

People take that first dose before they are out and about for a

reason, the body normally has high levels then.

The serum HC test won't mean anything anyway. The T3 test would still

have been accurate after taking the HC.

>What do you mean by exhertion and delay?

The delay between eating and HC, you normally take the HC soon after

eating as far as I can tell and today you ate, went out and did

things, and then took it later.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>And I always eat before I take HC anyway. How come eating before taking HC/T3

be a problem? One must eat before taking HC at least. And I can't take T3 on an

empty stomach, cause I need to eat first then take HC so that the HC prepares my

cells for the T3!

Yes, but you don't normally go out and do things

The chances are your adrenals put out adrenaline due to the low

cortisol levels and that caused the heart issues.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>I know that thing about serum cortisol.

>But why is eating before HC an issue? I always eat before HC. I eat for about

10 minutes, then take my HC. This time I ate, waited about 1 hour, took my HC

and T3 after blood samples.

Yes, and your body was trying to produce digestive enzymes and cope

with exercise etc without the catalysts it needs to be able to do

these things. Look at the profile curves of HC on the lab values, it

needs lots before you start doing things,

Nick

[Guest guest]

Yeah I messed up today. It was pointless skipping HC when I woke up. Cause we need HC as we wake up, and we should NOT wait 1 or 2 hours to take the first dose, even if yesterdays dose was taken at a later time due to waking up later that day. Am I right? When you wake up decides when you take the first, second etc. dose of HC and T3. Riiight?

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>So how can any person who are on HC and T3 take blood samples to check things if they can't await 1 hour extra taking their meds? :\

They can wait for the T3, It's the HC that you started the day without

and needed to have in your system.

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[Guest guest]

Aha, but won't the serum cortisol result prove whether I am low or normal or high in cortisol? Or is that just in serum anyway - Being it that it's the cortisol in the CELLS that matter? What is your take on that, Nick?

>And I always eat before I take HC anyway. How come eating before taking HC/T3 be a problem? One must eat before taking HC at least. And I can't take T3 on an empty stomach, cause I need to eat first then take HC so that the HC prepares my cells for the T3!

Yes, but you don't normally go out and do things

The chances are your adrenals put out adrenaline due to the low

cortisol levels and that caused the heart issues.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Ahhhh... Right, so eating something demands CORTISOL from my body! Makes sense! Heck, taking a blood sample is a stress for the body too and also demands cortisol!

>I know that thing about serum cortisol.

>But why is eating before HC an issue? I always eat before HC. I eat for about 10 minutes, then take my HC. This time I ate, waited about 1 hour, took my HC and T3 after blood samples.

Yes, and your body was trying to produce digestive enzymes and cope

with exercise etc without the catalysts it needs to be able to do

these things. Look at the profile curves of HC on the lab values, it

needs lots before you start doing things,

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Am I right? When you wake up decides when you take the first, second etc. dose

of HC and T3. Riiight?

You've got it. This proves that you are a LOT less hypo than you were

a month or so ago. You are getting things quicker, the fog is lifting

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Aha, but won't the serum cortisol result prove whether I am low or normal or

high in cortisol? Or is that just in serum anyway - Being it that it's the

cortisol in the CELLS that matter? What is your take on that, Nick?

OK, I am NOT an adrenal person, Val knows FAR more about that than I

do.

Gut feeling is that cortisol levels have a VERY short half life in the

body, MUCH less than T3 and hence the levels are VERY dependant on

what you are supplementing and the timing of it. Just look at the

daily saliva reference results banding for that.

When you have a morning cortisol serum result that was taken before

your morning HC supplementation what are you going to compare it

with?? Which reference level??? It's not the night time reading so

that reference is wrong, you can't use the morning one either as you

haven't kicked the levels to where they should be in the morning.

Seems pretty meaningless.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Well, hold it there.. I am still mentally challenged! :-) Hehe! But, yeah, in the middle of all this pain and suffering, the overwhelmingly long list of old and new (!) symptoms, I do feel SOME improvement at least. And that would be the clarity of my mind. It has improved. And it happened on the first days I took T3-only. The fog is indeed lifting. I just wish I could figure out how to get rid of the rest of the symptoms. Like I've gotten much more tired and sleepy lately. COULD be because of the adrenaline->T3 issue, where I now have less adrenaline (?) and my body's finally getting to use some T3. I dunno. I think you said something like that earlier on!

>Am I right? When you wake up decides when you take the first, second etc. dose of HC and T3. Riiight?

You've got it. This proves that you are a LOT less hypo than you were

a month or so ago. You are getting things quicker, the fog is lifting

Nick

[Guest guest]

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>Ahhhh... Right, so eating something demands CORTISOL from my body! Makes sense!

Heck, taking a blood sample is a stress for the body too and also demands

cortisol!

Yep

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Like I've gotten much more tired and sleepy lately. COULD be because of the

adrenaline->T3 issue, where I now have less adrenaline (?) and my body's finally

getting to use some T3. I dunno. I think you said something like that earlier

on!

Getting more hypo and on less of an adrenaline kick.

Keep upping the T3 and you'll be thinking even clearer soon.

It is proof that the protocol is working for you

Nick

[Guest guest]

So I am getting more and more hypo taking more and more T3, whilst I was less Hypo taking T4-only? I do understand everything you say and I agree with it! BUT I just wonder.. Why did I feel.. Ahhhh... The adrenaline! I was less hypo with T4-only because.. I had adrenaline?

>Like I've gotten much more tired and sleepy lately. COULD be because of the adrenaline-> T3 issue, where I now have less adrenaline (?) and my body's finally getting to use some T3. I dunno. I think you said something like that earlier on!

Getting more hypo and on less of an adrenaline kick.

Keep upping the T3 and you'll be thinking even clearer soon.

It is proof that the protocol is working for you

Nick

[Guest guest]

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>So I am getting more and more hypo taking more and more T3,

Yes, you are raising T3 slower than your own T3 is sinking from the

reducing levels of T4, you are falling behind in the chase

>whilst I was less Hypo taking T4-only? I do understand everything you say

and I agree with it! BUT I just wonder.. Why did I feel.. Ahhhh... The

adrenaline! I was less hypo with T4-only because.. I had adrenaline?

The stages of adrenal failure after the thyroid starts to fail are

first an increase in cortisol, then a cortisol burn out, and finally

some adrenaline being pumped around.

Here is some interesting information on adrenal failure and the stages

of it (a link from STTM)

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

Nick

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The fibrillation happened in January 2008. I started feeling MAJOR STRESS, pressure on the chest, etc. in MAY 2007. I had a major stress situation/trauma in late FEBRUARY 2007. I was on T4 only from MARCH 2008 til DECEMBER 2009. HC since JUNE 2009. When do you think the AF-prodcess really kicked in?

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>So I am getting more and more hypo taking more and more T3,

Yes, you are raising T3 slower than your own T3 is sinking from the

reducing levels of T4, you are falling behind in the chase

>whilst I was less Hypo taking T4-only? I do understand everything you say and I agree with it! BUT I just wonder.. Why did I feel.. Ahhhh... The adrenaline! I was less hypo with T4-only because.. I had adrenaline?

The stages of adrenal failure after the thyroid starts to fail are

first an increase in cortisol, then a cortisol burn out, and finally

some adrenaline being pumped around.

Here is some interesting information on adrenal failure and the stages

of it (a link from STTM)

http://www.chronicf atigue.org/ ASI%20Normal. html

Nick