Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Thanks for the link btw! I have been reading a lot on that website, and I think it's great! I also own the book. Anyway, if I am lagging behind on the T3/T4 race, will this be a dangerous situation to be in? Sometimes you can't go faster - Cause of the Ferritin! I hope my Ferritin is holding up, and I do take iron, still. Gonna retest it soon, I thought while On iron supps this time. My heart skipped another beat now, 1 hour before my last T3 dose for today. I am trying to write down when it happens so I can figure out if it's any connection between the happenings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Nick, I feel absolutely drained and so sleepy I am almost falling to the floor now at 00:30 am. Ok so it's getting late, but I can't help but thinking.. Do I need to stress dose with HC now before I go to bed? Cause.. I am gonna take my 5 mcg T3 "beditme dose" as planned. However, don't I need an adequate amount of cortisol to make T3 work and not be bad for my heart? I also need to wait 1 hour extra to take my iron before I go to sleep.Are you all absolutely positive it's not bad to take a lot of iron before you go to bed opposed to taking it in the morning when you wake up and Use your body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Btw what would you recommend (Val?) with a day like mine behind me, sleepy as never before, just took my 2.5 mg HC and 5.0 mg T3 and feel SO ready to go to bed. It's past 1 am, and I am _supposed_ to wait til 2 am to take my iron. Can I skip one dose/day of iron, or.. Should I wait up?Also does anyone know if a person has extra T3-receptor blockage, like I might have.. If this makes the increases of T3 even more important to do faster?Thoams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Simple: You take some food WITH you to the lab, then IMMEDIATELY after the blood draw, you eat and take your meds, even if you have to do it in waiting room. I do this ALL THE TIME. But I do it in my car. Really, how on earth did you expect to be up for several hours before taking any of your meds? That is just asking for a big crash. :-(( Kathleen > > > > >But I must eat before taking meds! I always do. If I don't eat before I take HC, it will burn a hole in my stomach! > > > > My gut feeling is the exhertion and delay were the issue. > > > > Eating and taking HC at the time time before doing things is fine. > > > > Eating, followed by your Dr visit, and then taking meds after is > > different > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Val, is there similarly any point in testing ACTH while on HC? I am always worried of taking too much and shutting down my own production. I've often thought to get an ACTH to make sure my HPA is still doing something and I haven't developed secondary adrenal insufficiency. Actually, I did test this recently and my ACTH was DEFINITELY working and screaming for some cortisol. But I've also thought of testing ACTH after my morning HC to make sure the dose I am taking is not so high it's shutting down my own cortisol production for the rest of the day. Is this valid to test for?? Thanks, Kathleen > > You missed your AM HC dose, this is the most vital dose of the day. It > literally tells you NOTHING to test cortilsl while on HC. Why do you > continue to torture yourself? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Well, people got into an argument with me on the adrenal forum, but I have tested my AM cortisol while ON HC. My reasoning was just what you said: HC has a very short half life so the cortisol in the test should be what my body is making. When I was on 35 mg HC, my AM cortisol was .7. Yes, that's .7, less than 1. When on 20 mg HC, my AM Cortisol was 11, when on 17.5 HC, it was 14.8. So where is the extra AM cortisol coming from if not my own adrenals? I really think the 35 HC was too much for me and shut down my HPA axis, although I hadn't tested ACTH at the time so can't know for sure. But havign weaned down off of 35 HC, my ACTH is definitely in high gear -- so I didn't give myself secondary adrenal insufficiency, although my adrenals still can't make what my body needs. I don't want to shut my HPA totally off, though, if I can help it. I definitely felt worse when that happened, not to mention my sodium and potassium both went in the toilet along with my testosterone, which is not good for your bones. I have recently been contemplating getting an ACTH test done AFTER I take my morning HC to make sure I'm not dropping it too low. I think I need to raise my HC a tad because of recent increases in t3, but like I said, I don't want to turn off my HPA axis. Kathleen > > >Aha, but won't the serum cortisol result prove whether I am low or normal or high in cortisol? Or is that just in serum anyway - Being it that it's the cortisol in the CELLS that matter? What is your take on that, Nick? > > OK, I am NOT an adrenal person, Val knows FAR more about that than I > do. > > Gut feeling is that cortisol levels have a VERY short half life in the > body, MUCH less than T3 and hence the levels are VERY dependant on > what you are supplementing and the timing of it. Just look at the > daily saliva reference results banding for that. > > When you have a morning cortisol serum result that was taken before > your morning HC supplementation what are you going to compare it > with?? Which reference level??? It's not the night time reading so > that reference is wrong, you can't use the morning one either as you > haven't kicked the levels to where they should be in the morning. > > Seems pretty meaningless. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 > I started feeling MAJOR STRESS, pressure on the chest, etc. in MAY 2007. I had a major stress situation/trauma in late FEBRUARY 2007. I was on T4 only from MARCH 2008 til DECEMBER 2009. HC since JUNE 2009. When do you think the AF-prodcess really kicked in? Probably became noticeable May 2007 then as a result of Feb 2007 and everything else followed from there Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 > I am gonna take my 5 mcg T3 " beditme dose " as planned. However, don't I need an adequate amount of cortisol to make T3 work and not be bad for my heart? I also need to wait 1 hour extra to take my iron before I go to sleep. It's not a bed time dose if you wait an hour before going to bed. The bed time dose that helps sleep quality is one that you take as you turn the light out. You need to start taking that last T3 at the same time as the iron and take it sublingually. It is not DESIGNED for sub-lingual but WORKS OK that way, certainly the Grossman does. If you only take one dose that way then you can be reassured that you are not risking things, take one that way on the day that you increase dose and the worst that could happen is you don't get the increase. That's not a great health risk. Trust me, today is the day of your increase, take your final dose for the day sublingually as you put the light out at around midnight and swallow the iron first. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Thank you for your advice! We'll see! :-)I might have forgotten that "bedtime" dose yesterday tho. I found a 5 mcg lying in my box this morning. BUT it could also have been the 5 mcg I planned to increase with yesterday. Confusing! Clearer mind you say? Hehe.Nick, if I forgot to take my bedtime doseyesterday, is it still ok to up today? Then it will be 25->35 mcg.PS! Had horrible somach pains yesterday, and when I breathe, I feel pain in my left kidney. I also look more bloated today. Any takes? > I am gonna take my 5 mcg T3 "beditme dose" as planned. However, don't I need an adequate amount of cortisol to make T3 work and not be bad for my heart? I also need to wait 1 hour extra to take my iron before I go to sleep. It's not a bed time dose if you wait an hour before going to bed. The bed time dose that helps sleep quality is one that you take as you turn the light out. You need to start taking that last T3 at the same time as the iron and take it sublingually. It is not DESIGNED for sub-lingual but WORKS OK that way, certainly the Grossman does. If you only take one dose that way then you can be reassured that you are not risking things, take one that way on the day that you increase dose and the worst that could happen is you don't get the increase. That's not a great health risk. Trust me, today is the day of your increase, take your final dose for the day sublingually as you put the light out at around midnight and swallow the iron first. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Mhm. After years and years on Synthroid ("Levaxin" over here..) and then added T3 to the mix, + stress and a lot of emotional problems not accepting I was sick, smoking, dirnking 1-2 liters of "sugar-free" (aspartame) Pepsi daily with all that caffeine, never sleeping in the nighttime, then finally the big blow with Major stress over a period of 2-3 months in the beginning of 2007. I can see why this happened. Do you think I'll ever be the same? (I mean, not acting like an idiot like I was, but feeling great?) > I started feeling MAJOR STRESS, pressure on the chest, etc. in MAY 2007. I had a major stress situation/trauma in late FEBRUARY 2007. I was on T4 only from MARCH 2008 til DECEMBER 2009. HC since JUNE 2009. When do you think the AF-prodcess really kicked in? Probably became noticeable May 2007 then as a result of Feb 2007 and everything else followed from there Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Point taken, Val. :-) But seriously, we are not trying to shut down the HPA axis, right? Someone wrote me and said they were being told that's what we're supposed to do so the adrenals can heal. I thought you have said not to take more than 10 HC first dose so you don't lower the ACTH so much that you end up low cortisol the rest of the day. I know you have been adamant with me in the past not to go over 40; I thought because that was a suppressive dose. How does one know what dose lowers their ACTH too much without testing the ACTH? Or just go by symptoms? Sorry...but this really confuses me. Thanks, Kathleen > > Listen I am NOT havign this argument again. If oyu want to terst it and > screw your sdosing up try ing tto adjust using it. Go ahead btu DO NOT > come her eand freak out at every symtp0ms you get from doing that, I > have seen probably several hundred folks their docs have tried to do > that and knwo what? That is how they ended up on the adrenals fprum > loolking for help. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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