Re: How to know if one has a RT3 issue?

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> how to suspect if one has rt3 problem?

> do you have to fail on desiccated to find out

> or do thyroid labs without rt3 results give any info?

> where i live is not possible to test rt3

> we have a thyroid lab package only, sent to usa and cost a fortune

> how is af and rt3 connected?

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> Thank you

> Susa

Susa

Others will have something to say on this. My view: People who are suffering

from this present a constellation of symptoms including: persistently low temps

(mid 95s to low 97s - it varies), extreme sensitivity to cold, especially hands

to point of pain, low pulse rate and palpitations, constipation made worse by

narcotic pain meds, concentration problems, depression, nails with ridges or

that crack and tear easily, dry, split hair, loss outer 1/3d of eyebrows and

lots more. Then, if they have tried any of the synthetic T4 meds or the

dessicated porcine thyroid products (Armour, Naturthroid, etc.), they get worse

possibly after improving initially. See the site that provides foundation for

this one: www.thyroid-rT3.com and the 's site (s Temperature

Syndrome), STTM site and others. It's now well reported.

Opinion varies on this, but, generally, if you present with those symptoms and

respond well to a therapeutic trial of T3, you might be suffering from the

ailment. There's other stuff that can relate critically too: iron deficiency,

selenium, deficiency, cortisol output defciency. This group is full of messages

and comments about all of those and points to other sites with info that will

help

Lee

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>how to suspect if one has rt3 problem?

>do you have to fail on desiccated to find out

Generally people suspect it if they have hypothyroidism that won't

respond to treatment despite adrenals and ferritin being in place.

This gets known as " resistance to thyroid hormone " . There are many

causes of resistance but RT3 seems to be a very common one.

In my case I needed 12 grains of Armour to feel well on!

>or do thyroid labs without rt3 results give any info?

>where i live is not possible to test rt3

An FT4 over mid range (often 1.4) seems to be a marker for RT3 issues.

>we have a thyroid lab package only, sent to usa and cost a fortune

>how is af and rt3 connected?

AF is a common side effect of hypothyroidism and can also be a cause

of RT3.

There is often a " sequence of failures " where low thyroid causes low

adrenals causes RT3 to build and make it worse

Where in the world do you live?

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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i think i have talked my one of my daughters doctor into trying t3 although she wants to keep the NT and just lower it some and add some T3 only....will this help at all...she is feeling pretty good these days but basal body temp is still only 97.2-97.4 and she has extra weight she cannot loose....what do you think the outcome might be with the addition of a small amount of t3 only to a regime of NT...her ratio was something like 14 last time we did rt3...we have her cortisol ok now i think and her ferritin is good....

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>how to suspect if one has rt3 problem?

>do you have to fail on desiccated to find out

Generally people suspect it if they have hypothyroidism that won't

respond to treatment despite adrenals and ferritin being in place.

This gets known as "resistance to thyroid hormone". There are many

causes of resistance but RT3 seems to be a very common one.

In my case I needed 12 grains of Armour to feel well on!

>or do thyroid labs without rt3 results give any info?

>where i live is not possible to test rt3

An FT4 over mid range (often 1.4) seems to be a marker for RT3 issues.

>we have a thyroid lab package only, sent to usa and cost a fortune

>how is af and rt3 connected?

AF is a common side effect of hypothyroidism and can also be a cause

of RT3.

There is often a "sequence of failures" where low thyroid causes low

adrenals causes RT3 to build and make it worse

Where in the world do you live?

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid- rt3.com

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thank you for these answers

i live in Finland

im afraid to switch to Efra from synthetic because nobody really cares about my

af or if i might have rt3 problem

it sucks to be your own doctor...

my FT4 is not over midrange:

July 09: 14 (9.0-19.0)

Jan 10: T4V 15.4 (11-23)

my ferritin and b12 are low,

my saliva results were aug09:

8am 0.44 (0.27-1.18)

12oclock 0.24 (0.10-0.41)

4pm 0.21 (0.05-0.27)

11pm 0.05 (0.03-0.14)

my weight went down suddenly within one month about 8kilos about a year ago, I

wonder if adrenals had something to do with it. Doctors did not find anything,

and there was otherwise no change in my diet etc. long lasting stress is what I

think it is.

right now im taking natural adrenal support + vitamins + minerals + good salt

and hoping to start with Efra this spring. Hopefully it goes well.

Susa

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> >how to suspect if one has rt3 problem?

> >do you have to fail on desiccated to find out

>

> Generally people suspect it if they have hypothyroidism that won't

> respond to treatment despite adrenals and ferritin being in place.

> This gets known as " resistance to thyroid hormone " . There are many

> causes of resistance but RT3 seems to be a very common one.

>

> In my case I needed 12 grains of Armour to feel well on!

>

> >or do thyroid labs without rt3 results give any info?

> >where i live is not possible to test rt3

>

> An FT4 over mid range (often 1.4) seems to be a marker for RT3 issues.

>

>

> >we have a thyroid lab package only, sent to usa and cost a fortune

> >how is af and rt3 connected?

>

> AF is a common side effect of hypothyroidism and can also be a cause

> of RT3.

>

> There is often a " sequence of failures " where low thyroid causes low

> adrenals causes RT3 to build and make it worse

>

> Where in the world do you live?

>

> Nick

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> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

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> www.thyroid-rt3.com

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>what do you think the outcome might be with the addition of a small amount of

t3 only to a regime of NT...her ratio was something like 14 last time we did

rt3...we have her cortisol ok now i think and her ferritin is good...

It might help, no guarantees though.

What were here FT3/RT3? if the FT3 was very low then that will

increase the chances of it working

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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>thank you for these answers

>i live in Finland

Hello and welcome to the group. We have a Norwegian regularly on the

group with us as well.

>im afraid to switch to Efra from synthetic because nobody really cares about my

af or if i might have rt3 problem

>it sucks to be your own doctor...

There are very few peeople who do better on T4 only than a T4/T3 mix

of some sort or pure T3.

Your adrenals can be checked by temperature, there is a link to it on

here

http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

You need adrenals in good gondition for any thyroid support to work,

including T4.

Have a look around and feel free to ask questions

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

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her last rt3 was 337pg/ml (90-350)her ft3 was 4.8 pg/ml (2.3-4.2)tsh was essentially 0her ferritin is now good at 98 b12 is good now too at 998her cortisol was high in morning and low later and we are working on that tooi have asked for plain t3 but doctor wont do it but think i may have talked her into part t3 and less nt....if she is in agreement how much t3 should i ask for and what reduction in nt?i know not dream scenario but hoping for some improvement for her...thanks so much

>what do you think the outcome might be with the addition of a small amount of t3 only to a regime of NT...her ratio was something like 14 last time we did rt3...we have her cortisol ok now i think and her ferritin is good...

It might help, no guarantees though.

What were here FT3/RT3? if the FT3 was very low then that will

increase the chances of it working

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid- rt3.com

[Guest guest]

>her last rt3 was 337pg/ml   (90-350)

>her ft3 was 4.8 pg/ml  (2.3-4.2)

>tsh was essentially  0

ratio of 14 as you say. The issue there is that the RT3 is high and

FT3 is top of range. If they had both been bottom of range then adding

T3 might have been enough but looking at those labs I think T3 only

will be needed

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>her ferritin is now good at 98

>b12 is good now too at 998

Good

>her cortisol was high in morning and low later and we are working on that too

Might level out if the RT3 is sorted

>i have asked for plain t3  but doctor wont do it but think i may have talked

her into part t3 and less nt....

I have doubts that will work. If you go that route then 1 grain of

Natural is equivalent in terms of biological effect to 25 of T3

EVENTUALLY. That effect is split, to swap you need to take 10 or 12.5

of T3 as the immediate replacement. After a week or so the T4 from the

natural decays away and then you can add the other 12.5 so it's a 2

part swap over.

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>if she is in agreement how much t3 should i ask for and what reduction in nt?

How much natural is she on? Ideally enough T3 that she can swap all

the grains to T3 25mcg at a time.

Have a look at the " swapping to natural " page on the web site and

imagine this process in reverse. You can pause this at any stage of

" part natural, part T3 "

http://thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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she is currently on 3.25 grains of NT...and what keeps all this FT3 sitting there from rushing into her cells and making her sick...the doctor we have is an antiaging doc..she is better than most but she does not have hospital priveldges and so i dont want to wind up there!

>her last rt3 was 337pg/ml (90-350)

>her ft3 was 4.8 pg/ml (2.3-4.2)

>tsh was essentially 0

ratio of 14 as you say. The issue there is that the RT3 is high and

FT3 is top of range. If they had both been bottom of range then adding

T3 might have been enough but looking at those labs I think T3 only

will be needed

>

>her ferritin is now good at 98

>b12 is good now too at 998

Good

>her cortisol was high in morning and low later and we are working on that too

Might level out if the RT3 is sorted

>i have asked for plain t3 but doctor wont do it but think i may have talked her into part t3 and less nt....

I have doubts that will work. If you go that route then 1 grain of

Natural is equivalent in terms of biological effect to 25 of T3

EVENTUALLY. That effect is split, to swap you need to take 10 or 12.5

of T3 as the immediate replacement. After a week or so the T4 from the

natural decays away and then you can add the other 12.5 so it's a 2

part swap over.

>

>if she is in agreement how much t3 should i ask for and what reduction in nt?

How much natural is she on? Ideally enough T3 that she can swap all

the grains to T3 25mcg at a time.

Have a look at the "swapping to natural" page on the web site and

imagine this process in reverse. You can pause this at any stage of

"part natural, part T3"

http://thyroid- rt3.com/swapping .htm

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid- rt3.com

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>she is currently on 3.25 grains of NT...

So that would be equivalent in the long term to between 75 and 87 of

T3.

If she were to swap all at once then the safe way would be to take NT

one day and the next day take 25 of T3 instead of it but split in 4 or

5 doses across the day.

After a few days she can start increasing slowly aiming to get to 75 a

day (maybe in 6 doses) after 6 to 8 weeks.

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>and what keeps all this FT3 sitting there from rushing into her cells and

making her sick...the doctor we have is an antiaging doc..she is better than

most but she does not have hospital priveldges and so i dont want to wind up

there!

Is there a lack of ferritin??

Was the cortisol OK by saliva or by serum?

Take it slowly, increase the T3 as the stored levels of T4 diminish,

and you should be OK

Nick

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her ferritin is good at 98 and her cortisol was tested by saliva and was a bit high in the morning and night..so she is taking calm prt to help with that...we will do a temperature check this weekend when she is home but her basal body temps are the same every morning low at 97.2 but the same does that tell me anything?/>she is currently on 3.25 grains of NT...So that would be equivalent in the long term to between 75 and 87 ofT3. If she were to swap all at once then the safe way would be to take NTone day and the next day take 25 of T3 instead of it but split in 4 or5 doses across the day. After a few days she can start increasing slowly aiming to get to 75 aday (maybe in 6 doses) after 6 to 8 weeks.>>and what keeps all this FT3 sitting there from rushing into her cells and making her sick...the doctor we have is an antiaging doc..she is better than most but she does not have hospital priveldges and so i dont want to wind up there!Is there a lack of ferritin??Was the cortisol OK by saliva or by serum?Take it slowly, increase the T3 as the stored levels of T4 diminish,and you should be

OKNick

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so specifically how much will she increase from the starting place of 25 T3..i guess she would increase about every 5 days?? but at what increments?

>she is currently on 3.25 grains of NT...

So that would be equivalent in the long term to between 75 and 87 of

T3.

If she were to swap all at once then the safe way would be to take NT

one day and the next day take 25 of T3 instead of it but split in 4 or

5 doses across the day.

After a few days she can start increasing slowly aiming to get to 75 a

day (maybe in 6 doses) after 6 to 8 weeks.

>

>and what keeps all this FT3 sitting there from rushing into her cells and making her sick...the doctor we have is an antiaging doc..she is better than most but she does not have hospital priveldges and so i dont want to wind up there!

Is there a lack of ferritin??

Was the cortisol OK by saliva or by serum?

Take it slowly, increase the T3 as the stored levels of T4 diminish,

and you should be OK

Nick

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She would want to try to be at 75mcg T3 by the time she si on it for

abotu 8 weeks. Then contiinue to slowely ramp up to no more than 125mcg

by 12 week point. If at any time her pulse goes too high (over low 90'd)

thne T3 shoudk nto be raised mor.

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how much do you raise the T3 at each increase?Subject: Re: How to know if one has a RT3 issue?To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:18 AM

She would want to try to be at 75mcg T3 by the time she si on it for

abotu 8 weeks. Then contiinue to slowely ramp up to no more than 125mcg

by 12 week point. If at any time her pulse goes too high (over low 90'd)

thne T3 shoudk nto be raised mor.

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>how much do you raise the T3 at each increase?

Have a look here, this might help

http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

Nick