Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 > > I went to a new doctor last week, one who says he will prescribe Armour. > > I got my labs back on Friday. Here's the gist of it: > > FT3 2.82 (2.3-4.20) > FT4 0.90 (.8-1.8) > TSH .46 (First time in 10 years that it's been over .2) > Ferritin 26 (10-232) > > My morning cortisol was 11.62, which the doc said is low. > > OK. Now I know why I feel like crap and I'm tired and confused (and > my hair is falling out, and I'm bloated, etc. etc.). I'm currently on > .88mcg and .75 levoxyl every other day, with 10 mcg. cytomel. It's > clear that I'm way under medicated. > > BUT, instead of giving me more meds, the doctor wants me to go through > at least one month of the 's T3 protocol before he will > prescribe the Armour. He's convinced that the high dosage T3 therapy > will help with my conversion problems. I'm not completely comfortable > with the theory behind the therapy, so I went back to him today > and told him that. He's pretty insistent that I at least try it for a > month. > > If my brain wasn't completely fogged over, I'd know what to do. > Because my TSH is still " low " by my primary doc's standards, I'm > fairly positive that he won't raise my dosage. > > I'm really tired of feeling sick. Any ideas? I'm feeling a bit > overwhelmed at the moment. I don't know whether to begin > self-medicating with what I have in my medicine chest, if I should at > least try his approach, or if I should go and grovel to my primary > care physician (I don't think it will do any good). > > I hate doctors..... > I am not sure I like this idea.. Armour is 38mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3.. your T3 looks fine..although it does have room to move.. your T4 needs help big time.. if you switch to one grain of Armour you would be dropping T3 by 1 mcg but cutting your Synthroid in half..I am wondering if maybe increasing the T4 or say adding T4 to Armour amy not be more productive..Don't forget T4 is the storage hormone that the body converts to T3..this is useful for when your T3 ( cytomel) drops off during the day..problem is with numbers liek that you have nothing to convert.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 > > I went to a new doctor last week, one who says he will prescribe Armour. > > I got my labs back on Friday. Here's the gist of it: > > FT3 2.82 (2.3-4.20) > FT4 0.90 (.8-1.8) > TSH .46 (First time in 10 years that it's been over .2) > Ferritin 26 (10-232) > > My morning cortisol was 11.62, which the doc said is low. > > OK. Now I know why I feel like crap and I'm tired and confused (and > my hair is falling out, and I'm bloated, etc. etc.). I'm currently on > .88mcg and .75 levoxyl every other day, with 10 mcg. cytomel. It's > clear that I'm way under medicated. > > BUT, instead of giving me more meds, the doctor wants me to go through > at least one month of the 's T3 protocol before he will > prescribe the Armour. He's convinced that the high dosage T3 therapy > will help with my conversion problems. I'm not completely comfortable > with the theory behind the therapy, so I went back to him today > and told him that. He's pretty insistent that I at least try it for a > month. > > If my brain wasn't completely fogged over, I'd know what to do. > Because my TSH is still " low " by my primary doc's standards, I'm > fairly positive that he won't raise my dosage. > > I'm really tired of feeling sick. Any ideas? I'm feeling a bit > overwhelmed at the moment. I don't know whether to begin > self-medicating with what I have in my medicine chest, if I should at > least try his approach, or if I should go and grovel to my primary > care physician (I don't think it will do any good). > > I hate doctors..... > I am not sure I like this idea.. Armour is 38mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3.. your T3 looks fine..although it does have room to move.. your T4 needs help big time.. if you switch to one grain of Armour you would be dropping T3 by 1 mcg but cutting your Synthroid in half..I am wondering if maybe increasing the T4 or say adding T4 to Armour amy not be more productive..Don't forget T4 is the storage hormone that the body converts to T3..this is useful for when your T3 ( cytomel) drops off during the day..problem is with numbers liek that you have nothing to convert.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 > > I went to a new doctor last week, one who says he will prescribe Armour. > > I got my labs back on Friday. Here's the gist of it: > > FT3 2.82 (2.3-4.20) > FT4 0.90 (.8-1.8) > TSH .46 (First time in 10 years that it's been over .2) > Ferritin 26 (10-232) > > My morning cortisol was 11.62, which the doc said is low. > > OK. Now I know why I feel like crap and I'm tired and confused (and > my hair is falling out, and I'm bloated, etc. etc.). I'm currently on > .88mcg and .75 levoxyl every other day, with 10 mcg. cytomel. It's > clear that I'm way under medicated. > > BUT, instead of giving me more meds, the doctor wants me to go through > at least one month of the 's T3 protocol before he will > prescribe the Armour. He's convinced that the high dosage T3 therapy > will help with my conversion problems. I'm not completely comfortable > with the theory behind the therapy, so I went back to him today > and told him that. He's pretty insistent that I at least try it for a > month. > > If my brain wasn't completely fogged over, I'd know what to do. > Because my TSH is still " low " by my primary doc's standards, I'm > fairly positive that he won't raise my dosage. > > I'm really tired of feeling sick. Any ideas? I'm feeling a bit > overwhelmed at the moment. I don't know whether to begin > self-medicating with what I have in my medicine chest, if I should at > least try his approach, or if I should go and grovel to my primary > care physician (I don't think it will do any good). > > I hate doctors..... > I am not sure I like this idea.. Armour is 38mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3.. your T3 looks fine..although it does have room to move.. your T4 needs help big time.. if you switch to one grain of Armour you would be dropping T3 by 1 mcg but cutting your Synthroid in half..I am wondering if maybe increasing the T4 or say adding T4 to Armour amy not be more productive..Don't forget T4 is the storage hormone that the body converts to T3..this is useful for when your T3 ( cytomel) drops off during the day..problem is with numbers liek that you have nothing to convert.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 I'm not liking the doc's logic here. Your numbers are obviously low. Both Free T4 and Free T3.... TSH doesn't mean much in your case. What you need is an increase in hormones... Both T4 and T3 to bring your levels up to a functioning range and you need to get that ferritin level up with some additional iron supplementation. Going on 's, in your case, in my opinion... is gonna increase your T3, if he gives you enough, and might make you feel a bit better in the short term, maybe.... but that won't increase your T4 levels and once you are off the 's with the extra T3 you're gonna be right back in the same boat that you are in now. 's is very effective for those with issues that require that particular type of treatment, no doubt, but with your numbers, that isn't what I see indicated here at all. IMHO, of course... Time to find a doc that has a decent understanding of proper thyroid care and not one that just wants to be a show off cuz he knows on particular type of therapy. Topper () *who's developed a pretty substantial dislike for dumb docs, too!* ThyroPhoenix Donation Link:https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick & business=topper2%40juno%2ecom & item_name=ThyroPhoneix & no_shipping=0 & no_note=1 & tax=0 & currency_code=USD & bn=PP%2dDonationsBF & charset=UTF%2d8 On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:51:30 -0000 "Risa" writes: I went to a new doctor last week, one who says he will prescribe Armour. I got my labs back on Friday. Here's the gist of it: FT3 2.82 (2.3-4.20)FT4 0.90 (.8-1.8)TSH .46 (First time in 10 years that it's been over .2)Ferritin 26 (10-232)My morning cortisol was 11.62, which the doc said is low. OK. Now I know why I feel like crap and I'm tired and confused (andmy hair is falling out, and I'm bloated, etc. etc.). I'm currently on.88mcg and .75 levoxyl every other day, with 10 mcg. cytomel. It'sclear that I'm way under medicated. BUT, instead of giving me more meds, the doctor wants me to go throughat least one month of the 's T3 protocol before he willprescribe the Armour. He's convinced that the high dosage T3 therapywill help with my conversion problems. I'm not completely comfortablewith the theory behind the therapy, so I went back to him todayand told him that. He's pretty insistent that I at least try it for amonth. If my brain wasn't completely fogged over, I'd know what to do. Because my TSH is still "low" by my primary doc's standards, I'mfairly positive that he won't raise my dosage. I'm really tired of feeling sick. Any ideas? I'm feeling a bitoverwhelmed at the moment. I don't know whether to beginself-medicating with what I have in my medicine chest, if I should atleast try his approach, or if I should go and grovel to my primarycare physician (I don't think it will do any good). I hate doctors..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 , Thanks for your response. Your logic is exactly where I am. If my T3 was really low, AND my T4 was either high or in mid-range, I might be more comfortable with the 's thing. But, my big fear is that in one month, when he starts cycling me down again that I'll end up either right where I am, or even feeling worse. Or, that the T3 will give me energy, but the lack of T4 will keep me stupid and fogged. It's so hard for me to think straight right now, that I can't even tell if MY reasons make sense - so your feedback makes me feel much better. I think I've found another doctor who is willing to prescribe Armour and treat symptoms. (At least that's what the receptionist said for all of the 15 times I asked). But, I can't get in to see her for 2 weeks. So, I what I'm going to do is up my T4 AND T3 by a little until then, just to try and get me through. If that doc doesn't work, then I'm probably going to drive to Mexico and buy some Armour.... In terms of my Ferritin, I'm currently taking an Iron supp. - I'm going to double up on it for a month or so and see what happens. Any other advice from anyone on the list would be very much welcomed. Thanks again for the response. Risa ---- topper2@... wrote: > I'm not liking the doc's logic here. Your numbers are obviously low. Both > Free T4 and Free T3.... TSH doesn't mean much in your case. > > What you need is an increase in hormones... Both T4 and T3 to bring your > levels up to a functioning range and you need to get that ferritin level > up with some additional iron supplementation. > > Going on 's, in your case, in my opinion... is gonna increase your > T3, if he gives you enough, and might make you feel a bit better in the > short term, maybe.... but that won't increase your T4 levels and once you > are off the 's with the extra T3 you're gonna be right back in the > same boat that you are in now. > > 's is very effective for those with issues that require that > particular type of treatment, no doubt, but with your numbers, that isn't > what I see indicated here at all. > > IMHO, of course... Time to find a doc that has a decent understanding of > proper thyroid care and not one that just wants to be a show off cuz he > knows on particular type of therapy. > > Topper () *who's developed a pretty substantial dislike for dumb > docs, too!* > > > > ThyroPhoenix Donation Link: > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick & business=topper2%40juno > %2ecom & item_name=ThyroPhoneix & no_shipping=0 & no_note=1 & tax=0 & currency_code > =USD & bn=PP%2dDonationsBF & charset=UTF%2d8 > > On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:51:30 -0000 " Risa " writes: > I went to a new doctor last week, one who says he will prescribe Armour. > > I got my labs back on Friday. Here's the gist of it: > > FT3 2.82 (2.3-4.20) > FT4 0.90 (.8-1.8) > TSH .46 (First time in 10 years that it's been over .2) > Ferritin 26 (10-232) > > My morning cortisol was 11.62, which the doc said is low. > > OK. Now I know why I feel like crap and I'm tired and confused (and > my hair is falling out, and I'm bloated, etc. etc.). I'm currently on > .88mcg and .75 levoxyl every other day, with 10 mcg. cytomel. It's > clear that I'm way under medicated. > > BUT, instead of giving me more meds, the doctor wants me to go through > at least one month of the 's T3 protocol before he will > prescribe the Armour. He's convinced that the high dosage T3 therapy > will help with my conversion problems. I'm not completely comfortable > with the theory behind the therapy, so I went back to him today > and told him that. He's pretty insistent that I at least try it for a > month. > > If my brain wasn't completely fogged over, I'd know what to do. > Because my TSH is still " low " by my primary doc's standards, I'm > fairly positive that he won't raise my dosage. > > I'm really tired of feeling sick. Any ideas? I'm feeling a bit > overwhelmed at the moment. I don't know whether to begin > self-medicating with what I have in my medicine chest, if I should at > least try his approach, or if I should go and grovel to my primary > care physician (I don't think it will do any good). > > I hate doctors..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Thanks Topper, I really appreciate your feedback. I called the office again today and was able to get an appointment for next Wed. I forgot to ask if they will be running new labs - mine will only be 2 1/2 weeks old by then, so I'm hoping that they won't re-do them. I'll call later today and ask. Because my cortisol was also low, I've started using my Advair inhaler (cortisone) RX'd for my recently diagnosed seasonal asthma (yeah, right, it's probably just another stupid symptom of my hashi's). The extra cotisone is actually helping me feel more normal in the meantime. I'm just trying to figure out how to get better sleep until next week.... I have a pretty important 2 day event coming up in the next two weeks that I'm a bit worried about. If this doctor does give me Armour, how long before I feel better? And, is there a risk that I'll feel worse before I feel better? (I guess what I'm asking is if there is any risk in changing to Armour 6 days before I absolutely MUST be able to last during a couple of days of grueling activity?) Thanks for any input, Risa P.S. I'm really bummed to hear that about Mexico - it's only a 3 hour drive for me (and there is definitely not a problem with me obtaining a RX for myself at a Tijuana clinic and filling it there - No laws broken on that one.) ---- topper2@... wrote: > Risa... I KNOW how BADly you want to increase your dose.... but if you > have an appointment in two weeks, if that new doc is going to have labs > done.. don't change your dose now... Your labs won't be accurate... > that's going to through things off.... > > Find out if the new doc is doing labs, if so... hang on for two more > weeks. > > I KNOW it's hard... I'm not just saying that... waiting is really really > hard to do when you feel crappy and have a direction that you know will > help...but if you want the labs to correctly show what your status is... > two weeks is too short a time... > > Doubling your iron intake for a month sounds like a good plan. You could > start that now and then discuss it further with the new doc in two weeks. > If (s)he sees cause to reduce the dose, constipation is the usual > complaint, then you can work from there. > > I pretty much see it that way too... the T3 protocol might make you feel > better for the short term.. but the crash later... I don't think it would > be of benefit to you at all... if your latest labs were showing levels > that suggested that protocol will help... yeah.... but I honestly don't > see that... what I see is an insufficient dose at this point... > > As far as Mexico... last I heard the supply of natural down there was low > to non existent. > > I don't want to talk about sources and supplies in group, but would like > to ask anyone that has been buying in Mexico to contact me off list > topper2@... and I can then relay your information to anyone that is > looking.... And for those that are looking, same deal... contact me > directly and I will relay info. I won't give names of anyone to anyone, > period, that's always been my policy and always will be. > > If it happens that an individual would like to have their name be known, > let me know, otherwise I will assume that everyone wants to remain > anonymous. > > It is legal to purchase your own meds, we are not doing anything illegal. > But in the years that I've been self treating we've seen too many > pharmacies closed down. Why? There are rumors and some stories, what is > true and what is not, we don't know... but the common thought now is that > if we don't talk about who is selling in an open forum, like here, maybe > they won't get shut down too. > > My personal belief that a lot of this has to do with the BigPharma > companies in the US having hissy fits over losing business.. According to > a news report given by one of my local stations, there is a crack down on > 'counterfeit' drugs being smuggled into the US and another bit about fake > medications being substituted for the real deal by unscrupulous foreign > sellers. That the only way to get legit medications is by paying the > inflated prices of BigPharma in the US.... Well.. I've been doing this > for 3 1/2 years now. All my meds have been fine, with expirations dates > of at least a year out from when I purchased them. All with proper stamps > on the tabs and codes on the bottles. I'm not that concerned. > > And yes, there are fake drugs being sold, it's a big money market.. but > they are out after the stuff that costs hundreds and thousands of dollars > per monthly dose... not a lowly little bottle of thyroid, the mark up > isn't sufficient to warrant the jail term they get if they get caught... > IMHO, of course! > > Topper () > > > > ThyroPhoenix Donation Link: > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick & business=topper2%40juno > %2ecom & item_name=ThyroPhoneix & no_shipping=0 & no_note=1 & tax=0 & currency_code > =USD & bn=PP%2dDonationsBF & charset=UTF%2d8 > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:09:37 -0500 drrisad@... writes: > > , > > Thanks for your response. Your logic is exactly where I am. If my > > T3 was really low, AND my T4 was either high or in mid-range, I > > might be more comfortable with the 's thing. But, my big fear > > is that in one month, when he starts cycling me down again that I'll > > end up either right where I am, or even feeling worse. Or, that the > > T3 will give me energy, but the lack of T4 will keep me stupid and > > fogged. > > > > It's so hard for me to think straight right now, that I can't even > > tell if MY reasons make sense - so your feedback makes me feel much > > better. > > > > I think I've found another doctor who is willing to prescribe Armour > > and treat symptoms. (At least that's what the receptionist said for > > all of the 15 times I asked). But, I can't get in to see her for 2 > > weeks. So, I what I'm going to do is up my T4 AND T3 by a little > > until then, just to try and get me through. If that doc doesn't > > work, then I'm probably going to drive to Mexico and buy some > > Armour.... > > > > In terms of my Ferritin, I'm currently taking an Iron supp. - I'm > > going to double up on it for a month or so and see what happens. Any > > other advice from anyone on the list would be very much welcomed. > > > > Thanks again for the response. > > > > Risa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Thanks Topper, I really appreciate your feedback. I called the office again today and was able to get an appointment for next Wed. I forgot to ask if they will be running new labs - mine will only be 2 1/2 weeks old by then, so I'm hoping that they won't re-do them. I'll call later today and ask. Because my cortisol was also low, I've started using my Advair inhaler (cortisone) RX'd for my recently diagnosed seasonal asthma (yeah, right, it's probably just another stupid symptom of my hashi's). The extra cotisone is actually helping me feel more normal in the meantime. I'm just trying to figure out how to get better sleep until next week.... I have a pretty important 2 day event coming up in the next two weeks that I'm a bit worried about. If this doctor does give me Armour, how long before I feel better? And, is there a risk that I'll feel worse before I feel better? (I guess what I'm asking is if there is any risk in changing to Armour 6 days before I absolutely MUST be able to last during a couple of days of grueling activity?) Thanks for any input, Risa P.S. I'm really bummed to hear that about Mexico - it's only a 3 hour drive for me (and there is definitely not a problem with me obtaining a RX for myself at a Tijuana clinic and filling it there - No laws broken on that one.) ---- topper2@... wrote: > Risa... I KNOW how BADly you want to increase your dose.... but if you > have an appointment in two weeks, if that new doc is going to have labs > done.. don't change your dose now... Your labs won't be accurate... > that's going to through things off.... > > Find out if the new doc is doing labs, if so... hang on for two more > weeks. > > I KNOW it's hard... I'm not just saying that... waiting is really really > hard to do when you feel crappy and have a direction that you know will > help...but if you want the labs to correctly show what your status is... > two weeks is too short a time... > > Doubling your iron intake for a month sounds like a good plan. You could > start that now and then discuss it further with the new doc in two weeks. > If (s)he sees cause to reduce the dose, constipation is the usual > complaint, then you can work from there. > > I pretty much see it that way too... the T3 protocol might make you feel > better for the short term.. but the crash later... I don't think it would > be of benefit to you at all... if your latest labs were showing levels > that suggested that protocol will help... yeah.... but I honestly don't > see that... what I see is an insufficient dose at this point... > > As far as Mexico... last I heard the supply of natural down there was low > to non existent. > > I don't want to talk about sources and supplies in group, but would like > to ask anyone that has been buying in Mexico to contact me off list > topper2@... and I can then relay your information to anyone that is > looking.... And for those that are looking, same deal... contact me > directly and I will relay info. I won't give names of anyone to anyone, > period, that's always been my policy and always will be. > > If it happens that an individual would like to have their name be known, > let me know, otherwise I will assume that everyone wants to remain > anonymous. > > It is legal to purchase your own meds, we are not doing anything illegal. > But in the years that I've been self treating we've seen too many > pharmacies closed down. Why? There are rumors and some stories, what is > true and what is not, we don't know... but the common thought now is that > if we don't talk about who is selling in an open forum, like here, maybe > they won't get shut down too. > > My personal belief that a lot of this has to do with the BigPharma > companies in the US having hissy fits over losing business.. According to > a news report given by one of my local stations, there is a crack down on > 'counterfeit' drugs being smuggled into the US and another bit about fake > medications being substituted for the real deal by unscrupulous foreign > sellers. That the only way to get legit medications is by paying the > inflated prices of BigPharma in the US.... Well.. I've been doing this > for 3 1/2 years now. All my meds have been fine, with expirations dates > of at least a year out from when I purchased them. All with proper stamps > on the tabs and codes on the bottles. I'm not that concerned. > > And yes, there are fake drugs being sold, it's a big money market.. but > they are out after the stuff that costs hundreds and thousands of dollars > per monthly dose... not a lowly little bottle of thyroid, the mark up > isn't sufficient to warrant the jail term they get if they get caught... > IMHO, of course! > > Topper () > > > > ThyroPhoenix Donation Link: > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick & business=topper2%40juno > %2ecom & item_name=ThyroPhoneix & no_shipping=0 & no_note=1 & tax=0 & currency_code > =USD & bn=PP%2dDonationsBF & charset=UTF%2d8 > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:09:37 -0500 drrisad@... writes: > > , > > Thanks for your response. Your logic is exactly where I am. If my > > T3 was really low, AND my T4 was either high or in mid-range, I > > might be more comfortable with the 's thing. But, my big fear > > is that in one month, when he starts cycling me down again that I'll > > end up either right where I am, or even feeling worse. Or, that the > > T3 will give me energy, but the lack of T4 will keep me stupid and > > fogged. > > > > It's so hard for me to think straight right now, that I can't even > > tell if MY reasons make sense - so your feedback makes me feel much > > better. > > > > I think I've found another doctor who is willing to prescribe Armour > > and treat symptoms. (At least that's what the receptionist said for > > all of the 15 times I asked). But, I can't get in to see her for 2 > > weeks. So, I what I'm going to do is up my T4 AND T3 by a little > > until then, just to try and get me through. If that doc doesn't > > work, then I'm probably going to drive to Mexico and buy some > > Armour.... > > > > In terms of my Ferritin, I'm currently taking an Iron supp. - I'm > > going to double up on it for a month or so and see what happens. Any > > other advice from anyone on the list would be very much welcomed. > > > > Thanks again for the response. > > > > Risa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Thanks Topper, I really appreciate your feedback. I called the office again today and was able to get an appointment for next Wed. I forgot to ask if they will be running new labs - mine will only be 2 1/2 weeks old by then, so I'm hoping that they won't re-do them. I'll call later today and ask. Because my cortisol was also low, I've started using my Advair inhaler (cortisone) RX'd for my recently diagnosed seasonal asthma (yeah, right, it's probably just another stupid symptom of my hashi's). The extra cotisone is actually helping me feel more normal in the meantime. I'm just trying to figure out how to get better sleep until next week.... I have a pretty important 2 day event coming up in the next two weeks that I'm a bit worried about. If this doctor does give me Armour, how long before I feel better? And, is there a risk that I'll feel worse before I feel better? (I guess what I'm asking is if there is any risk in changing to Armour 6 days before I absolutely MUST be able to last during a couple of days of grueling activity?) Thanks for any input, Risa P.S. I'm really bummed to hear that about Mexico - it's only a 3 hour drive for me (and there is definitely not a problem with me obtaining a RX for myself at a Tijuana clinic and filling it there - No laws broken on that one.) ---- topper2@... wrote: > Risa... I KNOW how BADly you want to increase your dose.... but if you > have an appointment in two weeks, if that new doc is going to have labs > done.. don't change your dose now... Your labs won't be accurate... > that's going to through things off.... > > Find out if the new doc is doing labs, if so... hang on for two more > weeks. > > I KNOW it's hard... I'm not just saying that... waiting is really really > hard to do when you feel crappy and have a direction that you know will > help...but if you want the labs to correctly show what your status is... > two weeks is too short a time... > > Doubling your iron intake for a month sounds like a good plan. You could > start that now and then discuss it further with the new doc in two weeks. > If (s)he sees cause to reduce the dose, constipation is the usual > complaint, then you can work from there. > > I pretty much see it that way too... the T3 protocol might make you feel > better for the short term.. but the crash later... I don't think it would > be of benefit to you at all... if your latest labs were showing levels > that suggested that protocol will help... yeah.... but I honestly don't > see that... what I see is an insufficient dose at this point... > > As far as Mexico... last I heard the supply of natural down there was low > to non existent. > > I don't want to talk about sources and supplies in group, but would like > to ask anyone that has been buying in Mexico to contact me off list > topper2@... and I can then relay your information to anyone that is > looking.... And for those that are looking, same deal... contact me > directly and I will relay info. I won't give names of anyone to anyone, > period, that's always been my policy and always will be. > > If it happens that an individual would like to have their name be known, > let me know, otherwise I will assume that everyone wants to remain > anonymous. > > It is legal to purchase your own meds, we are not doing anything illegal. > But in the years that I've been self treating we've seen too many > pharmacies closed down. Why? There are rumors and some stories, what is > true and what is not, we don't know... but the common thought now is that > if we don't talk about who is selling in an open forum, like here, maybe > they won't get shut down too. > > My personal belief that a lot of this has to do with the BigPharma > companies in the US having hissy fits over losing business.. According to > a news report given by one of my local stations, there is a crack down on > 'counterfeit' drugs being smuggled into the US and another bit about fake > medications being substituted for the real deal by unscrupulous foreign > sellers. That the only way to get legit medications is by paying the > inflated prices of BigPharma in the US.... Well.. I've been doing this > for 3 1/2 years now. All my meds have been fine, with expirations dates > of at least a year out from when I purchased them. All with proper stamps > on the tabs and codes on the bottles. I'm not that concerned. > > And yes, there are fake drugs being sold, it's a big money market.. but > they are out after the stuff that costs hundreds and thousands of dollars > per monthly dose... not a lowly little bottle of thyroid, the mark up > isn't sufficient to warrant the jail term they get if they get caught... > IMHO, of course! > > Topper () > > > > ThyroPhoenix Donation Link: > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick & business=topper2%40juno > %2ecom & item_name=ThyroPhoneix & no_shipping=0 & no_note=1 & tax=0 & currency_code > =USD & bn=PP%2dDonationsBF & charset=UTF%2d8 > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:09:37 -0500 drrisad@... writes: > > , > > Thanks for your response. Your logic is exactly where I am. If my > > T3 was really low, AND my T4 was either high or in mid-range, I > > might be more comfortable with the 's thing. But, my big fear > > is that in one month, when he starts cycling me down again that I'll > > end up either right where I am, or even feeling worse. Or, that the > > T3 will give me energy, but the lack of T4 will keep me stupid and > > fogged. > > > > It's so hard for me to think straight right now, that I can't even > > tell if MY reasons make sense - so your feedback makes me feel much > > better. > > > > I think I've found another doctor who is willing to prescribe Armour > > and treat symptoms. (At least that's what the receptionist said for > > all of the 15 times I asked). But, I can't get in to see her for 2 > > weeks. So, I what I'm going to do is up my T4 AND T3 by a little > > until then, just to try and get me through. If that doc doesn't > > work, then I'm probably going to drive to Mexico and buy some > > Armour.... > > > > In terms of my Ferritin, I'm currently taking an Iron supp. - I'm > > going to double up on it for a month or so and see what happens. Any > > other advice from anyone on the list would be very much welcomed. > > > > Thanks again for the response. > > > > Risa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I would not cut it that drastically. I don't think ti is dangerous just not necessary and why go back to hypo just when your body may soon be able to utilize it well? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 So my pulse in the 90's and 100's is not something to be too concerned about? Is I need to address that, what should I try? More HC? Thanks, Jeanne > > I would not cut it that drastically. I don't think ti is dangerous just > not necessary and why go back to hypo just when your body may soon be > able to utilize it well? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Jeanne Perhaps 25 mcg at a pop is more than you need during any 2-3 hour period even though 150/day works. You might try evening out dosage in your system by taking less per dose, more frequently. Nick suggests something like that. I dose every 2-1/2 hours, total 50/day. Might reduce peaks and valleys. Warning signs of hyper include temp 99 and up, pulse rate of 100 if your normal is in the 80s range.Have you done saliva test for cortisol? Temps in mid-98s sounds like you're pretty close to where you want be.Yes? Some info: plain T3 generics have an active life of only a few hours in the system. Lee > > Finishing up my tenth week on T3 only. > > I had been up to 150 mcg T3, but my pulse was getting high, and per conversations here, started on Isocort, which felt like a miracle, bringing my pulse back down to the 80's and getting rid of that anxious, chest tense type feelings. I felt SO much better. If only I would have not listened to my naturopath (who said my cortisol levels were fine) and started Isocort early and in right amounts, I might have skipped that huge discomfort. > > I am now on 30 mg HC daily with stress dosing. My temp average has dropped some. (In the mornings I'm waking up w/97.6 or 97.8, where before I was never below 98. Afternoons are in the 98. 2-6 range) Yesterday, however, my pulse hit the 100's and after a dose of HC has come down to the 90's but then gone back up. As a result, I really cut back my T3, taking 12.5 at a time instead of whole tabs. Is this ok? Do i risk not clearing at 12 weeks if I'm dropping T3 this much? > > I've taken salt water, but not noticed any response. > > I'm confused and hoping someone can suggest something. > > Thanks, > Jeanne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Thanks, Val and Lee. This makes sense. I was panicking and not thiking clearly! I am SO close. Just heard a piece on Mandela being in prison 27 years and then going on to lead So Africa. Not quite as dramatic, but given I've had this going on almost 27 years as well, gives me hope that with newfound energy I can do something with whatever years I've got left. Jeanne > > Oh it is too high biut to cut your dose in half is overkill. a 12.5mcg > decrease may be just right. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 You go girl! Lee > > > > Oh it is too high biut to cut your dose in half is overkill. a 12.5mcg > > decrease may be just right. > > > > -- > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 ;-) > > > > > > Oh it is too high biut to cut your dose in half is overkill. a 12.5mcg > > > decrease may be just right. > > > > > > -- > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I can honestly say I've aborted plain table sugar! I am an addict!Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:59:57 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: I need some help I hope it's okay to talk about this. I was doing pretty well not food obsessing or weighing myself, etc. for at least two weeks. Was getting cocky about it, I think. Because now I find myself overeating sugar, obsessing about getting to the store to buy more and eat it while everyone is out of the house. This started Sunday so it's been two days.Husband is leaving today until Friday and I'm thinking about all the sugary things I can eat. Gives me an idea what a cocaine addiction must be like! Sort of the same idea, white, powdery substance that goes in the mouth instead of up the nose. He will be away next week too. How do I manage all the alone time and stay away from the store. Oh yeah, yesterday I bought a half gallon of ice cream and it's mostly gone. Fudge topping, too. I don't feel very well today either, like I'm hung over. Does anyone have strategies I can try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I can honestly say I've aborted plain table sugar! I am an addict!Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:59:57 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: I need some help I hope it's okay to talk about this. I was doing pretty well not food obsessing or weighing myself, etc. for at least two weeks. Was getting cocky about it, I think. Because now I find myself overeating sugar, obsessing about getting to the store to buy more and eat it while everyone is out of the house. This started Sunday so it's been two days.Husband is leaving today until Friday and I'm thinking about all the sugary things I can eat. Gives me an idea what a cocaine addiction must be like! Sort of the same idea, white, powdery substance that goes in the mouth instead of up the nose. He will be away next week too. How do I manage all the alone time and stay away from the store. Oh yeah, yesterday I bought a half gallon of ice cream and it's mostly gone. Fudge topping, too. I don't feel very well today either, like I'm hung over. Does anyone have strategies I can try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I can honestly say I've aborted plain table sugar! I am an addict!Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:59:57 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: I need some help I hope it's okay to talk about this. I was doing pretty well not food obsessing or weighing myself, etc. for at least two weeks. Was getting cocky about it, I think. Because now I find myself overeating sugar, obsessing about getting to the store to buy more and eat it while everyone is out of the house. This started Sunday so it's been two days.Husband is leaving today until Friday and I'm thinking about all the sugary things I can eat. Gives me an idea what a cocaine addiction must be like! Sort of the same idea, white, powdery substance that goes in the mouth instead of up the nose. He will be away next week too. How do I manage all the alone time and stay away from the store. Oh yeah, yesterday I bought a half gallon of ice cream and it's mostly gone. Fudge topping, too. I don't feel very well today either, like I'm hung over. Does anyone have strategies I can try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I think this is great. Bingers tend to be very secretive; I know I am and have to work to remind myself that eating is not a sin. And this is so true! "No one is nearly as interested in what we eat as we are." Sohni Eileen, Yes, it's totally fine and great to bring this issue up. I think Sohni's advice is excellent. Also... What would happen if you bought ice cream and other sugary foods and ate them in plain sight of your husband? I wonder if you are making him your conscience, like your personal Jiminy Cricket. If you eat calmly and shamelessly in front of him, I wonder if that wouldn't take away some of the forbidden-ness? That's assuming he's supportive, of course. But if you take him out of the role of ice cream monitor that puts the power back in your court, where YOU get to decide how much ice cream is right for you, ideally by listening to your body and not your conscience. This is something I have tried myself, so that I wouldn't eat in secret. Takes away the thrill of the forbidden. No one is nearly as interested in what we eat as we are (sorry my grammar is imprecise). I didn't read this in a book so I don't know if it's IE approved but it's worked well for me. Best, Abby On May 18, 2010 6:07 PM, " Kay Guinn" <sandrakguinn> wrote: I can honestly say I've aborted plain table sugar! I am an addict! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "eileen_min" <eileen_min> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:59:57 -0000 To: <IntuitiveEating_Support > Subject: I need some help I hope it's okay to talk about this. I was doing pretty well not food obsessing or weighing m... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I think this is great. Bingers tend to be very secretive; I know I am and have to work to remind myself that eating is not a sin. And this is so true! "No one is nearly as interested in what we eat as we are." Sohni Eileen, Yes, it's totally fine and great to bring this issue up. I think Sohni's advice is excellent. Also... What would happen if you bought ice cream and other sugary foods and ate them in plain sight of your husband? I wonder if you are making him your conscience, like your personal Jiminy Cricket. If you eat calmly and shamelessly in front of him, I wonder if that wouldn't take away some of the forbidden-ness? That's assuming he's supportive, of course. But if you take him out of the role of ice cream monitor that puts the power back in your court, where YOU get to decide how much ice cream is right for you, ideally by listening to your body and not your conscience. This is something I have tried myself, so that I wouldn't eat in secret. Takes away the thrill of the forbidden. No one is nearly as interested in what we eat as we are (sorry my grammar is imprecise). I didn't read this in a book so I don't know if it's IE approved but it's worked well for me. Best, Abby On May 18, 2010 6:07 PM, " Kay Guinn" <sandrakguinn> wrote: I can honestly say I've aborted plain table sugar! I am an addict! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "eileen_min" <eileen_min> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:59:57 -0000 To: <IntuitiveEating_Support > Subject: I need some help I hope it's okay to talk about this. I was doing pretty well not food obsessing or weighing m... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I think this is great. Bingers tend to be very secretive; I know I am and have to work to remind myself that eating is not a sin. And this is so true! "No one is nearly as interested in what we eat as we are." Sohni Eileen, Yes, it's totally fine and great to bring this issue up. I think Sohni's advice is excellent. Also... What would happen if you bought ice cream and other sugary foods and ate them in plain sight of your husband? I wonder if you are making him your conscience, like your personal Jiminy Cricket. If you eat calmly and shamelessly in front of him, I wonder if that wouldn't take away some of the forbidden-ness? That's assuming he's supportive, of course. But if you take him out of the role of ice cream monitor that puts the power back in your court, where YOU get to decide how much ice cream is right for you, ideally by listening to your body and not your conscience. This is something I have tried myself, so that I wouldn't eat in secret. Takes away the thrill of the forbidden. No one is nearly as interested in what we eat as we are (sorry my grammar is imprecise). I didn't read this in a book so I don't know if it's IE approved but it's worked well for me. Best, Abby On May 18, 2010 6:07 PM, " Kay Guinn" <sandrakguinn> wrote: I can honestly say I've aborted plain table sugar! I am an addict! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "eileen_min" <eileen_min> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:59:57 -0000 To: <IntuitiveEating_Support > Subject: I need some help I hope it's okay to talk about this. I was doing pretty well not food obsessing or weighing m... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I think it is great you're talking about this and reaching out! Probably a lot of us in this group binge. I know I've done it, usually in secret because of the shame I'd feel if anyone saw me stuff my face with those cream-filled donuts. Through IE, I've finally come to realize and accept that I've coped with life and feelings by eating/overeating. How do manage your time alone? I can so empathize with that because my husband traveled a lot the first two years we were married. I still overate, but believe it or not, the thing that helped me most was when a friend of ours gave us a puppy. That may not be a good option for you. But I think talking out what you're feeling can help. And if you do binge, don't be too hard on yourself, maybe they can also be good learning experiences. Good luck! Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I think it is great you're talking about this and reaching out! Probably a lot of us in this group binge. I know I've done it, usually in secret because of the shame I'd feel if anyone saw me stuff my face with those cream-filled donuts. Through IE, I've finally come to realize and accept that I've coped with life and feelings by eating/overeating. How do manage your time alone? I can so empathize with that because my husband traveled a lot the first two years we were married. I still overate, but believe it or not, the thing that helped me most was when a friend of ours gave us a puppy. That may not be a good option for you. But I think talking out what you're feeling can help. And if you do binge, don't be too hard on yourself, maybe they can also be good learning experiences. Good luck! Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I think it is great you're talking about this and reaching out! Probably a lot of us in this group binge. I know I've done it, usually in secret because of the shame I'd feel if anyone saw me stuff my face with those cream-filled donuts. Through IE, I've finally come to realize and accept that I've coped with life and feelings by eating/overeating. How do manage your time alone? I can so empathize with that because my husband traveled a lot the first two years we were married. I still overate, but believe it or not, the thing that helped me most was when a friend of ours gave us a puppy. That may not be a good option for you. But I think talking out what you're feeling can help. And if you do binge, don't be too hard on yourself, maybe they can also be good learning experiences. Good luck! Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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