Not happy about latest labs..

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FT3 5.6 (range: 3.5 - 7.0)FT4 7.7 (range: 9 - 21)TSH 0.71 ()Ferritin 55Transferrin 2.5Trans. sat. 33%FT3: Well, FT3 is at 5.6, but we have to remember this was done at a different lab than I normally use. However, I took 10 mcg T3 1 hour before taking this blood sample. Does this mean my real FT3 is even lower than 5.6 ?Ferritin - How can it fall so fast? 3 weeks ago it was 64. Is it "normal" that it goes down to 55 or even lower, in just 3 weeks? I didn't stop taking iron supps before this test. How low is it really then? Must be lower than 55. I take 89 mg iron daily. Guess I have to take more? I am afraid of FIBRILLATION and don't want too low Ferritin!!! , if you see this - How can I up my T3 today if my Ferritin is SINKING? :-(RANGES

- They do differ from my one lab to my other lab. And everytime I see the one lab do an FT3 of 6 the other one does 5. It can even be in the same day, so I know for a fact that the lab I used this time does lower results than the other one. It only mean my REAL FT3 is higher than it looks, compared to the other lab. What do you think guys? I mean, ranges and different labs SHOULD be takes into consideration!!!- Not healthy, but at least I have SOME clarity of my mind!

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>FT3 5.6 (range: 3.5 - 7.0)

Hypo, I keep saying this is why you are bloated

>FT4 7.7 (range: 9 - 21)

On it's way down at last but still too high

>TSH 0.71 ()

Much too high, that's why T4 won't go down faster, you are feeding the

RT3

>Ferritin 55

>Transferrin 2.5

>Trans. sat. 33%

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>FT3: Well, FT3 is at 5.6, but we have to remember this was done at a different

lab than I normally use. However, I took 10 mcg T3 1 hour before taking this

blood sample. Does this mean my real FT3 is even lower than 5.6 ?

Yep, probably near bottom of range you have let yourself go so hypo by

delaying rises

>Ferritin - How can it fall so fast? 3 weeks ago it was 64. Is it " normal " that

it goes down to 55 or even lower, in just 3 weeks? I didn't stop taking iron

supps before this test. How low is it really then? Must be lower than 55. I take

89 mg iron daily. Guess I have to take more? I am afraid of FIBRILLATION and

don't want too low Ferritin!!!

Well don't let yourself get hypo then, you let T3 go down to far and

can't hold onto it.

>

>, if you see this - How can I up my T3 today if my Ferritin is SINKING?

:-(

>

> mean, ranges and different labs SHOULD be takes into consideration!!!

>- Not healthy, but at least I have SOME clarity of my mind!

>

Ranges. There is the subject of another post I keep meaning to do. I

had a VERY interesting discussion on alt.support.thyroid about 11

years ago about how labs derive ranges and I will summarize it when I

get a chance.

The upshot is don't trust the lab ranges, they are badly skewed,

especially at the hypo end.

Nick

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So what's your recommendation then Nick? Should I up my iron and take 150 mg every midnight, and up my T3 further?

>FT3 5.6 (range: 3.5 - 7.0)

Hypo, I keep saying this is why you are bloated

>FT4 7.7 (range: 9 - 21)

On it's way down at last but still too high

>TSH 0.71 ()

Much too high, that's why T4 won't go down faster, you are feeding the

RT3

>Ferritin 55

>Transferrin 2.5

>Trans. sat. 33%

>

>FT3: Well, FT3 is at 5.6, but we have to remember this was done at a different lab than I normally use. However, I took 10 mcg T3 1 hour before taking this blood sample. Does this mean my real FT3 is even lower than 5.6 ?

Yep, probably near bottom of range you have let yourself go so hypo by

delaying rises

>Ferritin - How can it fall so fast? 3 weeks ago it was 64. Is it "normal" that it goes down to 55 or even lower, in just 3 weeks? I didn't stop taking iron supps before this test. How low is it really then? Must be lower than 55. I take 89 mg iron daily. Guess I have to take more? I am afraid of FIBRILLATION and don't want too low Ferritin!!!

Well don't let yourself get hypo then, you let T3 go down to far and

can't hold onto it.

>

>, if you see this - How can I up my T3 today if my Ferritin is SINKING? :-(

>

> mean, ranges and different labs SHOULD be takes into consideration! !!

>- Not healthy, but at least I have SOME clarity of my mind!

>

Ranges. There is the subject of another post I keep meaning to do. I

had a VERY interesting discussion on alt.support. thyroid about 11

years ago about how labs derive ranges and I will summarize it when I

get a chance.

The upshot is don't trust the lab ranges, they are badly skewed,

especially at the hypo end.

Nick

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Btw Nick, how can I be "feeding the rT3" ? You mean by letting T4 stay too high because I take T3 too slowly? I just need some guidance that's all! Now Ferritin is lower. Is it even safe to up T3 when Ferritin is going down like that?

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>So what's your recommendation then Nick? Should I up my iron and take 150 mg

every midnight, and up my T3 further?

Personally I would leave the iron where it is, any more at a time and

you may not benefit and you don't want the gaps in the day.

Concentrate on getting that T3 up as quickly as you can tolerate it.

5mcg every 3 days ideally.

Nick

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>Btw Nick, how can I be " feeding the rT3 " ? You mean by letting T4 stay too high

because I take T3 too slowly?

Yep, you've got it

>I just need some guidance that's all!

You have been given lots of guidance but don't follow it. Timing is

IMPORTANT

>Now Ferritin is lower. Is it even safe to up T3 when Ferritin is going down

like that?

Yes if you do it immediately, stay hypo any longer and you will have

lost the iron and almost have to start again, wean off T3, raise iron,

and add T3 again and I'm

I've got work to do now, there won't be more replies till much later I

expect

Nick

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M hands are shaking a bit. Guess that's from taking too much T3 with too low Ferritin/Cortisol. I dunno. I'm gonna try to up to 45 mcg T3 tonight. Let's pray it's goes ok!

>Btw Nick, how can I be "feeding the rT3" ? You mean by letting T4 stay too high because I take T3 too slowly?

Yep, you've got it

>I just need some guidance that's all!

You have been given lots of guidance but don't follow it. Timing is

IMPORTANT

>Now Ferritin is lower. Is it even safe to up T3 when Ferritin is going down like that?

Yes if you do it immediately, stay hypo any longer and you will have

lost the iron and almost have to start again, wean off T3, raise iron,

and add T3 again and I'm

I've got work to do now, there won't be more replies till much later I

expect

Nick

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>M hands are shaking a bit. Guess that's from taking too much T3 with too low

Ferritin/Cortisol. I dunno.

More likely cortisol, pulse??

>I'm gonna try to up to 45 mcg T3 tonight. Let's pray it's goes ok!

Should be fine. T3 is much easier to dose than T4 or Natural, things

settle quickly

Nick

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Pulse: 76Temp: 37.0 C (98.6 F)Low cortisol? As in.. Taking too much T3 for my adrenals to handle? Maybe I'll up to 30 mg HC daily.Yeah. Agreed. Funny how the whole world say T4 is easier to dose cause the effect lasts longer. NICE if the effect is BAD, huh!? Easier as in If you're lazy about pills! YES. But T3 is def the more intelligent choice.

>M hands are shaking a bit. Guess that's from taking too much T3 with too low Ferritin/Cortisol. I dunno.

More likely cortisol, pulse??

>I'm gonna try to up to 45 mcg T3 tonight. Let's pray it's goes ok!

Should be fine. T3 is much easier to dose than T4 or Natural, things

settle quickly

 

Nick

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>Pulse: 76Temp: 37.0 C (98.6 F)

>Low cortisol? As in.. Taking too much T3 for my adrenals to handle? Maybe I'll

up to 30 mg HC daily.

Possible, it's not uncommon to need an increase as the T3 goes up to a

sensible level

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>Yeah. Agreed. Funny how the whole world say T4 is easier to dose cause the

effect lasts longer. NICE if the effect is BAD, huh!? Easier as in If you're

lazy about pills! YES.

This is why the Drs start someone low and check blood every 6 weeks

with T4, What does a few more months of being hypo matter!

>But T3 is def the more intelligent choice.

Works for me

Nick

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I'm supposed to take 10 instead of 5 mcg T3 now, but checking my pulse (3 1/2 hours since I took my T3 last time) it is 94. Hmmm.Pulse gets LOW if you don't have enough Cortisol right?So I don't know what this is. Low Ferritin?

>Pulse: 76Temp: 37.0 C (98.6 F)

>Low cortisol? As in.. Taking too much T3 for my adrenals to handle? Maybe I'll up to 30 mg HC daily.

Possible, it's not uncommon to need an increase as the T3 goes up to a

sensible level

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>Yeah. Agreed. Funny how the whole world say T4 is easier to dose cause the effect lasts longer. NICE if the effect is BAD, huh!? Easier as in If you're lazy about pills! YES.

This is why the Drs start someone low and check blood every 6 weeks

with T4, What does a few more months of being hypo matter!

>But T3 is def the more intelligent choice.

Works for me

 

Nick

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Nick,Could I raise T3 like this tonighjt?10, 10, 10, 5, 10 (raise up from 5!) 1 hour BEFORE I take iron like I normally do? Or is it a _must_ to take that sublingually and as I put out the lights?I was planning on doing it like: 10, 10, 10, 10, 5 - but at that second last dose, I had such a high pulse, so I didn't dare take more than 5 mcg. Now my pulse is normal again. I wanna take 10 before my iron. Can I, or am I wrong doing so?I have the sublingual thing as an option!Do you know why I've had pain in my heart today? Pain is not something I normally have in my heart. Many weird sensations, but never pain. Now it's pain. Like a stabbing pain that lasts for a second or 1 1/2, and it's really painful. Dunno what it is. Of course my mind is like "too low T3! you're about

to die!"

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>I'm supposed to take 10 instead of 5 mcg T3 now,

No, I said the bed time dose for a reason!!!!

levels decay slower that time of night, I wanted the gap with the

extra on the bed time dose and said MANY times

>but checking my pulse (3 1/2 hours since I took my T3 last time) it is 94.

Hmmm.

Tried sea salt?

>

>Pulse gets LOW if you don't have enough Cortisol right?

Can go high if it leads to adrenaline.

Nick

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>Nick,

>Could I raise T3 like this tonighjt?

>10, 10, 10, 5, 10 (raise up from 5!)

Yes, it's what I asked you to do

>1 hour BEFORE I take iron like I normally do?

NO. I said to do it sublingual for a reason. Humour me, just do it.

>Or is it a _must_ to take that sublingually and as I put out the lights?

Yes, I am trying to improve your sleep quality and 1 hour before bed

will have the oposite effect and wreck your sleep.

Just do it, it won't hurt, you might even sleep better and wake

refreshed earelier in the morning.

>I was planning on doing it like: 10, 10, 10, 10, 5 - but at that second last

dose, I had such a high pulse, so I didn't dare take more than 5 mcg.

Why don't you do as I say!

>Now my pulse is normal again. I wanna take 10 before my iron. Can I, or am I

wrong doing so?

It will cause sleep problems

>I have the sublingual thing as an option!

Yes, the option of what I asked you to do!!!

>Do you know why I've had pain in my heart today? Pain is not something I

normally have in my heart. Many weird sensations, but never pain. Now it's pain.

Like a stabbing pain that lasts for a second or 1 1/2, and it's really painful.

Dunno what it is. Of course my mind is like " too low T3! you're about to die! "

I have no idea! I am not psychic.

I am off to bed now, no more replies till the morning.

Just do it as I say

Sleep well

Nick

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I know you've recommended this for me plenty of times. You have done nothing wrong. I am the slow one! I am just so afraid to do something that can make me worse. Which I might be doing when I am too slow with everything anyway!I read in another forum that taking T3 sublingually can actually cause palpitations as it's absorbed VERY fast. Now, I've never tried any real meds sublingually.And I know that my T3 is not make for sublingual action. Maybe I should ask my doctors (I have many) before I try taking it sublingually? I don't want to take it sublingually and then not get ANY effect of it! Which brings me back to your recommendation of taking 10 mcg sublingually. That way I might get those 5 mcg's I always took when it was getting late, plus hopefully those "new" 5 mcgs too.I just don't want to do

anything that can harm me. My specialist told me to take those new 5 mcgs on the fourth of my five doses, making it 10 instead of 5. I didn't do it due to my racing heart. It was just a temporary thing though.I also found out, to my horror, that I have only 50 mg iron left. Better take 50 than nothing right! It's a shame though.I wish I could find someone who took my exact T3 sublingually and talk to them!

>I'm supposed to take 10 instead of 5 mcg T3 now,

No, I said the bed time dose for a reason!!!!

levels decay slower that time of night, I wanted the gap with the

extra on the bed time dose and said MANY times

>but checking my pulse (3 1/2 hours since I took my T3 last time) it is 94. Hmmm.

Tried sea salt?

>

>Pulse gets LOW if you don't have enough Cortisol right?

Can go high if it leads to adrenaline.

Nick

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I know you've recommended this for me plenty of times. You have done nothing wrong. I am the slow one! I am just so afraid to do something that can make me worse. Which I might be doing when I am too slow with everything anyway!I read in another forum that taking T3 sublingually can actually cause palpitations as it's absorbed VERY fast. Now, I've never tried any real meds sublingually.And I know that my T3 is not make for sublingual action. Maybe I should ask my doctors (I have many) before I try taking it sublingually? I don't want to take it sublingually and then not get ANY effect of it! Which brings me back to your recommendation of taking 10 mcg sublingually. That way I might get those 5 mcg's I always took when it was getting late, plus hopefully those "new" 5 mcgs too.I just don't want to do

anything that can harm me. My specialist told me to take those new 5 mcgs on the fourth of my five doses, making it 10 instead of 5. I didn't do it due to my racing heart. It was just a temporary thing though.I also found out, to my horror, that I have only 50 mg iron left. Better take 50 than nothing right! It's a shame though.I wish I could find someone who took my exact T3 sublingually and talk to them!

>I'm supposed to take 10 instead of 5 mcg T3 now,

No, I said the bed time dose for a reason!!!!

levels decay slower that time of night, I wanted the gap with the

extra on the bed time dose and said MANY times

>but checking my pulse (3 1/2 hours since I took my T3 last time) it is 94. Hmmm.

Tried sea salt?

>

>Pulse gets LOW if you don't have enough Cortisol right?

Can go high if it leads to adrenaline.

Nick

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What about this idea?

I take my "last dose" of T3 now, as I usually do. At about midnight. After 1 hour, I take my iron, BUT I also go to bed in that moment, and put the last 5 mcg of T3 under my tongue!Could that work, Nick?10, 10, 10, 5, 5 + 5 sub.It will only be 1 hour between the last 2 doses of T3. Swallow one, wait 1 hour to take iron, then go to bed immediately and take the last 5 mcg of T3 sublingually. Would that be ok?

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Your reply just made me laugh. I know you're trying to be nice (you Are nice!) and all, and I know I come off like a complete moron. Thanks for trying to calmly brainwash me into doing the right thing!If I don't get a reply to the message I just sent to the group, I might end up trying what I suggested. I guess it would be the second best thing after what you are suggesting! Ah, the problem is that I can't go to bed now. I have to eat and walk the dog! So it will be impossible to do 10 mcg sublingually in 23 minutes when it's 3 hours since my last T3 dose. That's why I was thinking of doing 5 mcg now, and 5 mcg's 1 hour later after I take my iron - sublingually.T.

>Nick,

>Could I raise T3 like this tonighjt?

>10, 10, 10, 5, 10 (raise up from 5!)

Yes, it's what I asked you to do

>1 hour BEFORE I take iron like I normally do?

NO. I said to do it sublingual for a reason. Humour me, just do it.

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Well it's a new day. It means I survived the night. But, did I sleep better? NO.It was a horrible night. I took the new 5 mcg sublingually at 2 am, 2 1/2 hours after my last 5 mcg T3 dose. Normally, I can lay for anywher between 15 minutes to 1 hour before I fall asleep. I think the average is about 30 minutes. Anyway. This time... It took 3 hours before I feel asleep. At one point, I had to get up, and shake off the lousy symptoms I got: Fast heartbeat (not extremely fast, but probably around 120), pain and loss of sensitivity in my hands, headache, warm feeling all over. It was... Horrible! I had a lil snack and went back to bed, and fell asleep. It must have been around 5 am. Got up at 11 am.I think I will have to put those 5 mcgs on the fourth, and second last dose of T3 today. Not do anything sublingually. I am not sure it works for

me!OR do I simply just lack..... Cortisol?>Now my pulse is normal again. I wanna take 10 before my iron. Can I, or am I wrong doing so?

It will cause sleep problems

 

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>I know you've recommended this for me plenty of times. You have done nothing

wrong. I am the slow one! I am just so afraid to do something that can make me

worse. Which I might be doing when I am too slow with everything anyway!

Yov've got it. Timing is important and delaying can make everything

far worse.

>

>I read in another forum that taking T3 sublingually can actually cause

palpitations as it's absorbed VERY fast. Now, I've never tried any real meds

sublingually.

If I thought it would hurt you I wouldn't have said it

>And I know that my T3 is not make for sublingual action. Maybe I should ask my

doctors (I have many) before I try taking it sublingually?

No point

>I don't want to take it sublingually and then not get ANY effect of it!

You will

>Which brings me back to your recommendation of taking 10 mcg sublingually. That

way I might get those 5 mcg's I always took when it was getting late, plus

hopefully those " new " 5 mcgs too.

>

That is why I said to do it then

>I just don't want to do anything that can harm me.

Nor me

>My specialist told me to take those new 5 mcgs on the fourth of my five doses,

making it 10 instead of 5. I didn't do it due to my racing heart.

Made no sense to do it then. How many people does he have on T3

compared with the number Val has helped here?

>It was just a temporary thing though.

Yes

>I also found out, to my horror, that I have only 50 mg iron left. Better take

50 than nothing right! It's a shame though.

Yes, get more today

>

>I wish I could find someone who took my exact T3 sublingually and talk to them!

Jusst do it, or get the T3 the rest of us use!

Nick

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>It will only be 1 hour between the last 2 doses of T3. Swallow one, wait 1 hour

to take iron, then go to bed immediately and take the last 5 mcg of T3

sublingually. Would that be ok?

Lower quality sleep and delays getting to sleep, bad idea

Nick

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>So it will be impossible to do 10 mcg sublingually in 23 minutes when it's 3

hours since my last T3 dose. That's why I was thinking of doing 5 mcg now, and 5

mcg's 1 hour later after I take my iron - sublingually.

If you read what I wrote originally I said to take 10 sublingually AT

THE TIME YOU TAKE YOUR IRON, I knew this would be an hour later though

you keep telling me you wait up to take the iron so it's a chance to

go to bed earlier if you feel tired.

Nick

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>OR do I simply just lack..... Cortisol?

You didn't do it the way I said!

If you don't follow instructions it won't work!

Nick

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Just bare with me! I am an extremely worried person and I had a horrible night, and I feel it was horrible because I took 5 mcg sublingually and not swallowed the pill instead!I didn't do exactly what you said, but I did 5 mcg sublingually. I wonder how I would've felt if I would've taken 10 mcg instead of 5. Maybe even worse? Maybe my Ferritin isn't high enough to tolerate more T3! Or too low cortisol. My hands have been shaking for 2-3 days now.So, how do I do it tonight. I really felt doing it sublingually was too "hard" on my body. I read in some other forum that for some people, taking T3 sublingually is a bad idea cause it works "too fast" that way. Keep in mind that when I put my head down on that pillow, there is never any real guarantee that I will fall asleep in 5-10 minutes. It usually takes much longer.

Sometimes it can be 1 hour. Sometimes 2.Should I take more iron tonight? I am currently at 75 mg chelated + 14 mg other type iron in my multi. Total 89 mg. What about HC? Stick to 27.5 mg or up to 30?I understand getting T3 up is the most important thing.Thanks!

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>OR do I simply just lack..... Cortisol?

You didn't do it the way I said!

If you don't follow instructions it won't work!

Nick

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Can skipped heartbeat/irregular pulse mean both low T3, AND that I don't tolerate taking the amount of T3 I am taking due to low Ferritin/Low cortisol?Then how do I know to take more or less T3?I feel crap today. And scared and stupid.