Not happy about latest labs..

[Guest guest]

I needed to eat and walk the dog. And when my last T3 dose came up, after 3 hour after the last one, I couldn't wait 2 hours extra to take that dose, so I took it, then I waited 1 hour to take iron. Then I felt I could try the sublingual thing. With 5 mcg in case 10 mcg was too strong! I felt 5 mcg was too strong! Now what do I do? I am trying to understand this! Don't like the shaky feeling I have in my body now. Mostly in the hands. Not enormous shaking, but a slight trembling.So 5 mcg T3 as my last dose before I up with 10 mcg under the tongue - That was what I was supposed to do. Now, won't that be too close to each other? 15 mcg T3 in 1 hour? What if I don't have enough cortisol in me at that time to tolerate that dose?I didn't like what happened with 5 mcg sublingually... And today I feel horrible!--- On

Tue, 2/16/10, Nick Foot wrote:

 

>So it will be impossible to do 10 mcg sublingually in 23 minutes when it's 3 hours since my last T3 dose. That's why I was thinking of doing 5 mcg now, and 5 mcg's 1 hour later after I take my iron - sublingually.

If you read what I wrote originally I said to take 10 sublingually AT

THE TIME YOU TAKE YOUR IRON, I knew this would be an hour later though

you keep telling me you wait up to take the iron so it's a chance to

go to bed earlier if you feel tired.

[Guest guest]

>Just bare with me! I am an extremely worried person and I had a horrible night,

and I feel it was horrible because I took 5 mcg sublingually and not swallowed

the pill instead!

It was horrible because you took 5 1 hour before bed and then took

more. I said that would happen when you decided to change things

before you woke up today (read back)

>I didn't do exactly what you said, but I did 5 mcg sublingually. I wonder how I

would've felt if I would've taken 10 mcg instead of 5. Maybe even worse?

If you had taken 5 and an hour later 10 then yes, worse.

>Maybe my Ferritin isn't high enough to tolerate more T3!

Lets hope it is, the trouble is you didn't hang on to what you had.

>Or too low cortisol. My hands have been shaking for 2-3 days now.

low cortisol maybe, or hypo.

>So, how do I do it tonight.

Take your last dose for the day, having not taken any for AT LEAST 3

hours as a dose of 10 sublingually at the same time as your iron (you

have got more iron?). Take this as you turn the light out thinking you

are ready to sleep.

DO NOT take any apart from this dose within 3 hours of bed time.

>I really felt doing it sublingually was too " hard " on my body.

2 doses 1 hour apart was too hard on you at bed time.

>I read in some other forum that for some people, taking T3 sublingually is a

bad idea cause it works " too fast " that way. Keep in mind that when I put my

head down on that pillow, there is never any real guarantee that I will fall

asleep in 5-10 minutes. It usually takes much longer. Sometimes it can be 1

hour. Sometimes 2.

Yep, get into a mental state of relaxation, slow your breathing

deliberately, and tuck the half tablet under your tongue.

>

>Should I take more iron tonight? I am currently at 75 mg chelated + 14 mg other

type iron in my multi. Total 89 mg.

yes, take iron as usual.

>What about HC? Stick to 27.5 mg or up to 30?

Go to 30 with the extra 2.5 at bed time just in case.

>I understand getting T3 up is the most important thing.

Let me explain the Why.

If I take T3 30 mins or 1 hour before bed it keeps me awake

If I take it as I put the light out it helps me sleep.

A lot of people have found this.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Thank you for sticking in there for me still! Even if I am a mental case. :pActually, now I remember! I waited 1 hour after taking my last T3, took my iron, then I felt ready to go to bed and take my T3 sublingually. BUT I had already taken those 5 mcg of T3, making the dose 40 mcg total, so I felt I had to wait 2 1/2 hour before I took my next 5 mcg. So I did. So the doses weren't close to each other. Why do you think I got such a horrible reaction?As for the iron, I was on 150 mg daily in the last few days before stopping for 5 days, then making the sample. Now I've only gotten up to 89 mg iron daily. And before I took it split in 2 times per day. Now I only take 1 dose a day. Maybe I need to take more iron? I have a relatively low Transferrin, the binding receptor thing, at 2.5. It should be between 2.0 and

4.0.The falling asleep part worries me a lot! Cause I never fall asleep fast, regularly, every night!Is the rule that you MUST fall asleep for the T3 to work good? Cause I can for example NOT fall asleep only because I KNOW I have 10 mcg of T3 under my tongue, and I am worried. I can fall asleep after 30 minutes (happens often), or 1 hour. Or 2-3 hours. All depends on how I feel.Right now I worry about the downward spiral, feeling I might be caught up in it. I am piss scared at the moment. Tried to do everything right, WHILE being very careful, and now I feel like maybe I am lost and that this is the end. How does it work with T3 in my body now. Can my Ferritin sink so low that T3 becomes useless, and even if the FT3 in the blood shows medium range it can be under bottom range making it dangerous for me?Thinking of how risky T3-only treatment is, in a way, shouldn't my specialist have

made a plan for me on how to take it? My specialist have only treated a handful of people with T3-only. I know Val, and you, have a lot more experience. But you are not educated doctors. Not that THAT means the world, God knows being a "REAL DOCTOR" won't heal people automatically. But my GP keeps telling me I should only listen to my specialists advice and how to do things. This is hard on my mind.

>Just bare with me! I am an extremely worried person and I had a horrible night, and I feel it was horrible because I took 5 mcg sublingually and not swallowed the pill instead!

It was horrible because you took 5 1 hour before bed and then took

more. I said that would happen when you decided to change things

before you woke up today (read back)

>I didn't do exactly what you said, but I did 5 mcg sublingually. I wonder how I would've felt if I would've taken 10 mcg instead of 5. Maybe even worse?

If you had taken 5 and an hour later 10 then yes, worse.

>Maybe my Ferritin isn't high enough to tolerate more T3!

Lets hope it is, the trouble is you didn't hang on to what you had.

>Or too low cortisol. My hands have been shaking for 2-3 days now.

low cortisol maybe, or hypo.

>So, how do I do it tonight.

Take your last dose for the day, having not taken any for AT LEAST 3

hours as a dose of 10 sublingually at the same time as your iron (you

have got more iron?). Take this as you turn the light out thinking you

are ready to sleep.

DO NOT take any apart from this dose within 3 hours of bed time.

>I really felt doing it sublingually was too "hard" on my body.

2 doses 1 hour apart was too hard on you at bed time.

>I read in some other forum that for some people, taking T3 sublingually is a bad idea cause it works "too fast" that way. Keep in mind that when I put my head down on that pillow, there is never any real guarantee that I will fall asleep in 5-10 minutes. It usually takes much longer. Sometimes it can be 1 hour. Sometimes 2.

Yep, get into a mental state of relaxation, slow your breathing

deliberately, and tuck the half tablet under your tongue.

>

>Should I take more iron tonight? I am currently at 75 mg chelated + 14 mg other type iron in my multi. Total 89 mg.

yes, take iron as usual.

>What about HC? Stick to 27.5 mg or up to 30?

Go to 30 with the extra 2.5 at bed time just in case.

>I understand getting T3 up is the most important thing.

Let me explain the Why.

If I take T3 30 mins or 1 hour before bed it keeps me awake

If I take it as I put the light out it helps me sleep.

A lot of people have found this.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Is it ok if I take my second last T3 dose at 9 pm, then instead of taking my normal 5 mcg dose at midnight, last T3 dose for the day, I wait til let's say 2 or even 3 (when I feel very sleepy) and take 10 mcg sublingually then? Or is it too long in between the doses then?And what if, the horror, the same happens again - I get more awake and can't fall asleep and just twist and turn in my bed with god knows how high pulse? My pulse was around 120 when I took 5 mcg under the tongue last night, 2 1/2 hours after I took my last T3 dose. I need to know what I'm doing is safe!!! Sure didn't feel safe last night. SCARY!Actually, taking my T3 like I always did, at midnight, then iron at 1 am, often made me fall asleep pretty quick (30 minutes maybe) - Until I took that T3 sublingually. Then it was not so quick. I just wonder if this sublingual

thing is good for ME.What happens if I just up my fourth dose to 10 mcg then, Nick? Don't some people do it like that? 10, 10, 10, 10 (new), 5 ?>So, how do I do it tonight. 

Take your last dose for the day, having not taken any for AT LEAST 3

hours as a dose of 10 sublingually at the same time as your iron (you

have got more iron?). Take this as you turn the light out thinking you

are ready to sleep.

DO NOT take any apart from this dose within 3 hours of bed time.

If I take T3 30 mins or 1 hour before bed it keeps me awake

If I take it as I put the light out it helps me sleep.

 

A lot of people have found this.

[Guest guest]

>I needed to eat and walk the dog. And when my last T3 dose came up, after 3

hour after the last one, I couldn't wait 2 hours extra to take that dose,

why not???? T3 consumption drops that time of night. It should have

only been 1 hour extra, not 2.

You told me that you go to bed when you take your iron 1 hour after

that last dose. I intended you to delay that last dose and then make

it bigger.

>so I took it, then I waited 1 hour to take iron. Then I felt I could try the

sublingual thing.

Wrong

>With 5 mcg in case 10 mcg was too strong! I felt 5 mcg was too strong! Now what

do I do?

Try it as I said!!

> I am trying to understand this! Don't like the shaky feeling I have in my body

now. Mostly in the hands. Not enormous shaking, but a slight trembling.

>

HC probably, as in lack of

>So 5 mcg T3 as my last dose before I up with 10 mcg under the tongue - That was

what I was supposed to do. Now, won't that be too close to each other? 15 mcg T3

in 1 hour?

NO, don't do that.

at the moment you are dosing

10

10

5

5

5

iron and bed after 1 hour

if I am right

Change that to

10

10

10

5

5

iron and bed after 1 hour

Change that to

10

10

10

5

delay an extra hour, 10 sublingual as you take the iron and go to bed

this is JUST a raise of 5 and you take the raised amount an hour later

than you would have done.

>What if I don't have enough cortisol in me at that time to tolerate that dose?

>

I just suggested you take 30 with the extra 2.5 at bed time

>I didn't like what happened with 5 mcg sublingually... And today I feel

horrible!

Because you didn't follow instructions.

Nick

[Guest guest]

,

However worry and fear seem to feel like they protect us from rashly moving

forward, too often it backfires and we hold back from trying something and lose

out on an opportunity and something very positive. I have dealt with so much

worry in my life -- I'm finally realizing in my 50's how futile and damaging it

is, so I hope you figure it out sooner than me. You are young with so many

opportunities in front of you, if you can let go of the fear and worry.

I too can have problems falling asleep, so taking T3 when I turn out the light

took me awhile to try, but it has SO been worth it. Do try it as Nick has

suggested/encouraged/requested/ordered. DON'T take a dose of T3 an hour before

your iron and bed -- it only wakes you up that way and then sublingual T3 at bed

will only make it worse.

BREATHE! Trust Nick's advice in this, so you can sleep and feel better.

Old enough to be your Mom ;-)

Jeanne

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> >OR do I simply just lack..... Cortisol?

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> You didn't do it the way I said!

>

>

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> If you don't follow instructions it won't work!

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> Nick

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[Guest guest]

I was thinking maybe it's bad to wait too many hours between the doses while you're Awake. Cause when you sleep you don't use/need as much T3.At 1 am, I am usually ready to go to bed, that's when I take my iron. But I stay up for 1-2 hours after that anyway. Fights with the wife, philosophizing, watching movies etc. NOT perfect for Adrenal Fatigue.....I did wait almost 3 hours after my last T3 dose to up with the 5 mcg under my tongue though! I've had a horrible headache ever since. Still lasting.I'll add 2.5 mg HC as I go to bed. Normally I take my last 2.5 mg HC at midnight with my last 5 mcg dose of T3. Should I take HC as normally at midnight, wait with the 5 mcg T3 for 1 hour then take 10 mcg under the tongue at 1 am, and swallow the HC first, at 1 am? I don't think I will be ready for sleep til 2 am

though.My current dosing is like this:10101055This is day 6 on that dose. Except from last night when I took 5 mcg T3 extra under the tongue.Maybe the pain/symptoms happened because I didn't follow suggested instructions, OR maybe it happened due to low cortisol AND/OR low Ferritin!Feeling a bit sleepy this evening!Temp: 37.0 C (98.6 F)Pulse: 84 (1 hr 40 min after 10 mcg T3, third dose for today.)

>I needed to eat and walk the dog. And when my last T3 dose came up, after 3 hour after the last one, I couldn't wait 2 hours extra to take that dose,

why not???? T3 consumption drops that time of night. It should have

only been 1 hour extra, not 2.

You told me that you go to bed when you take your iron 1 hour after

that last dose. I intended you to delay that last dose and then make

it bigger.

>so I took it, then I waited 1 hour to take iron. Then I felt I could try the sublingual thing.

Wrong

>With 5 mcg in case 10 mcg was too strong! I felt 5 mcg was too strong! Now what do I do?

Try it as I said!!

> I am trying to understand this! Don't like the shaky feeling I have in my body now. Mostly in the hands. Not enormous shaking, but a slight trembling.

>

HC probably, as in lack of

>So 5 mcg T3 as my last dose before I up with 10 mcg under the tongue - That was what I was supposed to do. Now, won't that be too close to each other? 15 mcg T3 in 1 hour?

NO, don't do that.

at the moment you are dosing

10

10

5

5

5

iron and bed after 1 hour

if I am right

Change that to

10

10

10

5

5

iron and bed after 1 hour

Change that to

10

10

10

5

delay an extra hour, 10 sublingual as you take the iron and go to bed

this is JUST a raise of 5 and you take the raised amount an hour later

than you would have done.

>What if I don't have enough cortisol in me at that time to tolerate that dose?

>

I just suggested you take 30 with the extra 2.5 at bed time

>I didn't like what happened with 5 mcg sublingually. .. And today I feel horrible!

Because you didn't follow instructions.

 

Nick

[Guest guest]

This night, I did! 10 mcg under the tongue. I did wait 5 hours from the previous dose of T3, but I did like you said. Only 1 hour later. I wanted to be really sleepy. I was lying in bed. I took my iron + 2.5 mg extra HC (total dose of HC 30 mg) and went to bed. I made sure I ate enough before I went to bed too, cause normally I have to get up to eat sometimes to even fall asleep. The room was dark. No lights. Only me and my thoughts + my sick body lying there. I put the 2x5 mcg pieces of T3 on my covers and waited. Waited til I "almost" fell asleep. After 45 minutes, I took the pieces and prayed I would fall asleep asap. Then, 45 minutes later, I almost did. But then, BOOM, I woke up with the heart racing a little (not very hard, not very fast!) - T3 kicking in. Am I right? Or is that low cortisol? Worried about Dr. Lam's words here - He doesn't even like

people using HC at all! Anyway. I had another bad night with T3 under the tongue. Woke up. Fell asleep. Woke up. Fell asleep. The opposite effect of what others here have had. In the end I think I feel asleep and slept for 2-3-4 hours without waking up. Except for once when I needed to pee. I went to bed at 2 am. And woke up by my alarm (as usual) at 10 to 10:30.The DIFFERENCE, though, is that when I woke up, and got up, I felt less sleepy, EVEN when I had been having that bad night of waking up all the time. And I feel a bit more awake now waiting for my breakfast to finish (omelet) than usual!Are we onto something good here? Or is this bad for me?At least I did it! 

>>I didn't like what happened with 5 mcg sublingually. .. And today I feel horrible!

 

>Because you didn't follow instructions.

[Guest guest]

Oh, and why are my hands/arms trembling? Been like this since I increased to 40 mcg T3. Added 2.5 mg HC yesterday. Taking 30 mg daily now.Is this feeling of shaking T3 beating up my adrenals? Shouldn't HC protect me from that happening? 

[Guest guest]

>The DIFFERENCE, though, is that when I woke up, and got up, I felt less sleepy,

EVEN when I had been having that bad night of waking up all the time. And I feel

a bit more awake now waiting for my breakfast to finish (omelet) than usual!

>Are we onto something good here? Or is this bad for me?

You may find the first few nights are disturbed, but you get disturbed

nights anyway. The difference is the sleep quality gets better and you

need less of it. You also feel more awake in the morning.

Keep with it a few days, getting the body used to it does take time.

Part of the waking thing can be hunger, this can be blood sugar

related. I get a better nights sleep if I eat some high far food like

a lump of cheese on it's own at bed time. Fat metabolises slowly in

the body, carbs and sugars spike sugar and can underswing after.

>

>At least I did it!

Well done!! Do it the same for a few more days and then you can bring

that last 5 up to a 10.

Nick

[Guest guest]

I always eat 2-3 slices of high fat cheese before I go to bed! Actually, I need to eat an omelet (3 eggs) JUST before I go to bed, unless, I will not fall asleep at all! When I feel hungry, I can't fall asleep.So feeling a bit wired today. Shaking a bit, like I've done in the past days anyway, and I have some cramp-like things going on in my right kidney (the right adrenal going nuts?) - Headache is there too. But one thing is for sure at this very moment: I feel anything but sleepy! We'll see how the day progresses. Wish I could _know_ how much HC I need tho....... Could be less, could be more! (Probably more)T.

>The DIFFERENCE, though, is that when I woke up, and got up, I felt less sleepy, EVEN when I had been having that bad night of waking up all the time. And I feel a bit more awake now waiting for my breakfast to finish (omelet) than usual!

>Are we onto something good here? Or is this bad for me?

You may find the first few nights are disturbed, but you get disturbed

nights anyway. The difference is the sleep quality gets better and you

need less of it. You also feel more awake in the morning.

Keep with it a few days, getting the body used to it does take time.

Part of the waking thing can be hunger, this can be blood sugar

related. I get a better nights sleep if I eat some high far food like

a lump of cheese on it's own at bed time. Fat metabolises slowly in

the body, carbs and sugars spike sugar and can underswing after.

>

>At least I did it!

Well done!! Do it the same for a few more days and then you can bring

that last 5 up to a 10.

Nick

__._,_.__ 

[Guest guest]

,

if you are using the method of building up slowly on HC that is on the Stop the thyroid madness site, it might interest you to know that I tried that and it made me feel terrible.

I think this is because it shuts down the adrenals before you get the full replacement dose.

I spoke to Val about this and she told me that she had stopped recommending this method for getting on to HC because it was causing problems. I then went up to a full replacement dose.

I also started having night time hunger problems. So I take two eggs and a load of mayonnaise just like Val said. That way, at worst, I only get woken up once in the night. I keep something to eat by my bed just in case. I have just started a no/low carb diet and I found that that has slightly improved blood sugar issues. Lost nearly 2 kilos since Sunday too!

Have you read the Stop the Thyroid Madness website page on Adrenals and HC?

Hope this helps,

MacGilchrist

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 12:09:52Subject: Re: Not happy about latest labs..

Oh, and why are my hands/arms trembling? Been like this since I increased to 40 mcg T3. Added 2.5 mg HC yesterday. Taking 30 mg daily now.

Is this feeling of shaking T3 beating up my adrenals? Shouldn't HC protect me from that happening?

[Guest guest]

The problem is, we don't know how much HC we need! My temps have been fine since BEFORE I started HC. A bit more stable after HC, but still pretty much 98.6 all the time before and after HC.I went up to 20 mg HC in 1 month. Then, I stayed on 20 mgs from July 2009 til December. Upped to 27.5 mg HC around new year. Then up to 30 mg HC yesterday.Have no idea how much HC I need. Really. No idea. Anything above 30 mg can shut down the adrenals. Right?

 

,

if you are using the method of building up slowly on HC that is on the Stop the thyroid madness site, it might interest you to know that I tried that and it made me feel terrible.

I think this is because it shuts down the adrenals before you get the full replacement dose.

I spoke to Val about this and she told me that she had stopped recommending this method for getting on to HC because it was causing problems.  I then went up to a full replacement dose.

I also started having night time hunger problems.  So I take two eggs and a load of mayonnaise just like Val said.  That way, at worst, I only get woken up once in the night.  I keep something to eat by my bed just in case.  I have just started a no/low carb diet and I found that that has slightly improved blood sugar issues.  Lost nearly 2 kilos since Sunday too!

 

Have you read the Stop the Thyroid Madness website page on Adrenals and HC?

 

Hope this helps,

MacGilchrist

From: Gibcast <gibcastyahoo (DOT) com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 12:09:52Subject: Re: Not happy about latest labs.. 

Oh, and why are my hands/arms trembling? Been like this since I increased to 40 mcg T3. Added 2.5 mg HC yesterday. Taking 30 mg daily now.

Is this feeling of shaking T3 beating up my adrenals? Shouldn't HC protect me from that happening? 

[Guest guest]

,

You sound like things are going round and round in your head. You have to stop thinking about the same old things and find some new input. Look on www.stopthethyroidmadness.com website Adrenals page. You will find information about how much is a replacement dose (more for a man than a woman).

Do it now and then we can talk some more and go forward.

Speak to you later?

MacG.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 14:06:02Subject: Re: Not happy about latest labs..

The problem is, we don't know how much HC we need! My temps have been fine since BEFORE I started HC. A bit more stable after HC, but still pretty much 98.6 all the time before and after HC.

I went up to 20 mg HC in 1 month. Then, I stayed on 20 mgs from July 2009 til December. Upped to 27.5 mg HC around new year. Then up to 30 mg HC yesterday.Have no idea how much HC I need. Really. No idea. Anything above 30 mg can shut down the adrenals. Right?

,

if you are using the method of building up slowly on HC that is on the Stop the thyroid madness site, it might interest you to know that I tried that and it made me feel terrible.

I think this is because it shuts down the adrenals before you get the full replacement dose.

I spoke to Val about this and she told me that she had stopped recommending this method for getting on to HC because it was causing problems. I then went up to a full replacement dose.

I also started having night time hunger problems. So I take two eggs and a load of mayonnaise just like Val said. That way, at worst, I only get woken up once in the night. I keep something to eat by my bed just in case. I have just started a no/low carb diet and I found that that has slightly improved blood sugar issues. Lost nearly 2 kilos since Sunday too!

Have you read the Stop the Thyroid Madness website page on Adrenals and HC?

Hope this helps,

MacGilchrist

From: Gibcast <gibcastyahoo (DOT) com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 12:09:52Subject: Re: Not happy about latest labs..

Oh, and why are my hands/arms trembling? Been like this since I increased to 40 mcg T3. Added 2.5 mg HC yesterday. Taking 30 mg daily now.

Is this feeling of shaking T3 beating up my adrenals? Shouldn't HC protect me from that happening?

[Guest guest]

>Wish I could _know_ how much HC I need tho....... Could be less, could be more!

(Probably more)

Look at typical doses for men, you are at the lower end, that's a

clue!

Nick

[Guest guest]

Please forgive the vaugness of the measurements - it's the best I can do

(this is for a friend)

On 2.5% cream for about a week ~ nickel-size dab in the morning; dime-size

at noon; dime-size at bedtime.

Was feeling fantastic ~ energy in the afternoon (finally!) and sleeping well

at night.

37.5mcg T3 (divided 3x/day)

Microbid for recurrent, incipent yeast infection.

Beloved family member just died.

Yesterday afternoon, she could only do 11 minutes on the elliptical and had

to get off and she had difficulty lifting a heavy weight she would normally

have no trouble with. Worried she was taking too much cortisol, she did not

take her bedtime dose and woke up achy, and also possibly feeling the

beginning of an infection (lymph nodes are hard; barely scratchy throat).

" This morning, I feel achy all over, especially my shoulders, hips, and

hands, and like I've got anvils weighing down all my limbs. It requires real

concentration to move myself around (even just typing is a chore), and when

I do, it's like being in slow motion. "

Could this be a reaction from too much cortisol?

OR is her body asking for a few days of a good stress dose on top of her

regular dosing?

many thanks,

~

[Guest guest]

The only reason for why I haven't gone past 30 mg HC yet is because I am afraid it will shut down my adrenals permanently.How does that work Nick - Can we shut them down permanently and wake them up 1-2 years later? Is it possible?Maybe I should take more HC then! I am still trembling a bit. Feels bad. I am worried too low cortisol (and too low ferritin) will give me fibrillation of some sort, again.

>Wish I could _know_ how much HC I need tho....... Could be less, could be more! (Probably more)

Look at typical doses for men, you are at the lower end, that's a

clue!

Nick

[Guest guest]

Why do I feel this ticklish/tingling feeling in my heart? Which sensation is this and what is it connected to? I only felt this when I was on T3 til February 2008. When I quit T3, this feeling never came back - Until lately, when I started taking T3 again. Is this from low ferritin, low cortisol, or is it something else? It's scaring me to death! Don't want that fibrillation again!

[Guest guest]

>

>The only reason for why I haven't gone past 30 mg HC yet is because I am afraid

it will shut down my adrenals permanently.

Were you listening when Val said how high she had to go before her

adrenals finally healed and she could wean down to zero after???

Also remember that men need more than women generally

>How does that work Nick - Can we shut them down permanently and wake them up

1-2 years later? Is it possible?

I don't know, I do know that you could go up to at least 45 WITHOUT

shutting them down. There is nothing different going to happen to you

above 30. Shutdown is a lot way ahead.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Ok. So mens adrenas shut down above 45 mg? Why do respected spedcialists and pioneers in Hypothyroidm research such as Mark Starr and also AF-doc Mr. Jefferies say that nobody should go above 30 mg HC? :pI am at 30 now. Maybe I should take more then. To get rid of this shaking I've had since I upped to 40 mcg T3!I remember Val's stories. I know she had to go higher than what is considered "normal". But she got good results from it so it's all good! But we're all different. I just hope I will be able to tolerate more HC and that it will WORK!Nick, do you know why I've been feeling a lot more sleepy and tired in the afternoons in the past couple of days, when upping T3 to 45 mcg? In the morning, I am more awake. Then I get more sleepy after maybe 3 pm! Why is this?Also, should I make the switch back to 10 mcg T3 under

the tongue again tonight? And when should I go up to 50 mcg? I get FT3 labs tomorrow, which I drew today btw!

>

>The only reason for why I haven't gone past 30 mg HC yet is because I am afraid it will shut down my adrenals permanently.

Were you listening when Val said how high she had to go before her

adrenals finally healed and she could wean down to zero after???

Also remember that men need more than women generally

>How does that work Nick - Can we shut them down permanently and wake them up 1-2 years later? Is it possible?

I don't know, I do know that you could go up to at least 45 WITHOUT

shutting them down. There is nothing different going to happen to you 

above 30. Shutdown is a lot way ahead.

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>Ok. So mens adrenas shut down above 45 mg?

At some indeterminate level which is most likely to be above 45

>Why do respected spedcialists and pioneers in Hypothyroidm research such as

Mark Starr and also AF-doc Mr. Jefferies say that nobody should go above 30 mg

HC?

I am just passing on what Val has discovered. I am not an adrenal

specialist, she is and is off sick at the moment.

>I am at 30 now. Maybe I should take more then. To get rid of this shaking I've

had since I upped to 40 mcg T3!

It might or might not help. The shaking may be an RT3 thing and may

clear when resistance does.

>

>I remember Val's stories. I know she had to go higher than what is considered

" normal " . But she got good results from it so it's all good! But we're all

different. I just hope I will be able to tolerate more HC and that it will WORK!

>

Glad you remember. I doubt you will need much more than where you are

now. Hang in there and give things time

>Nick, do you know why I've been feeling a lot more sleepy and tired in the

afternoons in the past couple of days, when upping T3 to 45 mcg? In the morning,

I am more awake. Then I get more sleepy after maybe 3 pm! Why is this?

Need more T3 probably, you've now suppressed the adrenaline that was

churning out because of a lack of T3 and you need a little more to

keep you awake

How were you last night for sleep quality?????

>

>Also, should I make the switch back to 10 mcg T3 under the tongue again

tonight? And when should I go up to 50 mcg? I get FT3 labs tomorrow, which I

drew today btw!

if it worked 10 and then 5 stay there again today.

I expect you can go up again in a couple of days if you feel OK. Maybe

Saturday evening,

Nick

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Ok I'll stay at 30 mg HC.How can rT3 cause shaking when I didn't have shaking since last time I was on T3? :pAlso one strange thing from today: I took HC when I woke up and ate at 10:30, went to draw blood at 11 am... Then at noon I took my T3. I was NOT feeling sleepy up to noon. But at 2 pm, I felt VERY sleepy and it has lasted til now. So... How come I get more sleepy when I took T3 today? Hmm!Yes, maybe adrenaline goes away now with more HC and T3. But while drawing blood I sweated BADLY (more and more lately, btw!!!) on my fingertips. Adrenaline, I guess. Why didn't I get that 3 months ago? 6 months ago? 1 year ago? Why only now? Weird.

>Ok. So mens adrenas shut down above 45 mg?

At some indeterminate level which is most likely to be above 45

>Why do respected spedcialists and pioneers in Hypothyroidm research such as Mark Starr and also AF-doc Mr. Jefferies say that nobody should go above 30 mg HC?

I am just passing on what Val has discovered. I am not an adrenal

specialist, she is and is off sick at the moment.

>I am at 30 now. Maybe I should take more then. To get rid of this shaking I've had since I upped to 40 mcg T3!

It might or might not help. The shaking may be an RT3 thing and may

clear when resistance does.

>

>I remember Val's stories. I know she had to go higher than what is considered "normal". But she got good results from it so it's all good! But we're all different. I just hope I will be able to tolerate more HC and that it will WORK!

>

Glad you remember. I doubt you will need much more than where you are

now. Hang in there and give things time

>Nick, do you know why I've been feeling a lot more sleepy and tired in the afternoons in the past couple of days, when upping T3 to 45 mcg? In the morning, I am more awake. Then I get more sleepy after maybe 3 pm! Why is this?

Need more T3 probably, you've now suppressed the adrenaline that was

churning out because of a lack of T3 and you need a little more to

keep you awake

How were you last night for sleep quality?????

>

>Also, should I make the switch back to 10 mcg T3 under the tongue again tonight? And when should I go up to 50 mcg? I get FT3 labs tomorrow, which I drew today btw!

if it worked 10 and then 5 stay there again today.

I expect you can go up again in a couple of days if you feel OK. Maybe

Saturday evening,

Nick

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I wish Val a speedy recovery!Took my 10 mcg of T3 about 1 hour ago, and I feel even MORE sleepy now. How come? Is something wrong here or what? I feel like my head is... Something! And very heavy. And I just wanna go sleep! :\

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