Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? Janie H MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Go to www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. MacG. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10Subject: Re: wilsons protocol What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? Janie H MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Just tried the link and there's an extra dot in it (..com) - so if it doesn't work for you, remove the extra dot. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:07:03 AMSubject: Re: wilsons protocol Go to www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. MacG. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10Subject: Re: wilsons protocol What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? Janie H MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Interesting. Thank you. I haven't heard of that one. I'll be interested to hear the response(s) to Dawn Volz' question. JH To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 10:07:03 AMSubject: Re: wilsons protocol Go to www.wilsonstemperat uresyndrome. com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. MacG. MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 this is the one i believe i have heard nick mention is too hard on adrenals...so i wanted to understand why so i can tell my doctor next week...Subject: Re: wilsons protocolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 10:19 AM Just tried the link and there's an extra dot in it (..com) - so if it doesn't work for you, remove the extra dot. From: MacGilchrist <s.macgilxrist@ yahoo.co. uk>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:07:03 AMSubject: Re: wilsons protocol Go to www.wilsonstemperat uresyndrome. com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. MacG. From: Janie Hannah <janiehannah75@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10Subject: Re: wilsons protocol What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? Janie H MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Basically 's Temperature Syndrome treatment doesn't take into account the adrenal factor. The RT3 forum therapy does, if need be. And provides guide lines. Also he uses slow release T3 which looks like a real pain in the neck to get hold of and it's advantages are disputed. What is interesting about his site is the diagrams and images he uses to explain what RT3 is.. They are very good and explain well. MacG. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:29:13Subject: Re: wilsons protocol this is the one i believe i have heard nick mention is too hard on adrenals...so i wanted to understand why so i can tell my doctor next week... From: Sydney Osborne <sydregyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: wilsons protocolTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 10:19 AM Just tried the link and there's an extra dot in it (..com) - so if it doesn't work for you, remove the extra dot. From: MacGilchrist <s.macgilxrist@ yahoo.co. uk>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) . comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:07:03 AMSubject: Re: wilsons protocol Go to www.wilsonstemperat uresyndrome. com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. MacG. From: Janie Hannah <janiehannah75@ yahoo.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10Subject: Re: wilsons protocol What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? Janie H MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 >this is the one i believe i have heard nick mention is too hard on adrenals...so i wanted to understand why so i can tell my doctor next week... The rate of increase and decrease of T3 suggested by Dr and the cyclic way he changes it can be very hard on the system. RT3 needs TIME to clear. the way that Val has taught it is to slowly increase the T3 so that T4 levels drop, without any more T4 being produced then no more RT3 can be produced and what's left in the system is metabolized or decays. Eventually the RT3 that's blocking the T3 cellular receptors also clears. This worked for me and seems to have for many others. proposes changing T3 faster than the T4 decays and not leaving T3 levels there long enough to " starve out " the RT3, it's more jolting your system into action by increasing thyroid levels rapidly and this can be hard on the system, especially if you have weak adrenals. I don't see this working with severe resistance. It's very different protocols and we do dot recommend or support the one here. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Yep, there are two: Denis E. ,MD, founder of 's Temperature Syndrome (WTS) and L. , ND, DC, Phd., author of Adrenal Fatigue, a book I found not as informative as Durrant-Peatfield's Your Thyroid and how to keep it healthy which has a clear, thorough description/explanation of adrenal issues and their relation to thyroid issues although he denies rT3 dominance. Lee > > Go to www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. > MacG. > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: RT3_T3 > Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10 > Subject: Re: wilsons protocol > >  > What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? > > Janie H >  > MARKETPLACE > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I've read both of Denis , MD's books and was treated for over 18 months by 2 -trained practitioners. briefly discusses adrenals, but suggests that if you get T3 right and get the rT3 out of your system, all will be well. Not so for me: 5 cycles, or " therapeutic trials " as he labels them and I always relapsed, getting a bit worse between each and getting less out of each subsequent. Only after discovering this site a few weeks ago, switching to Grossman's T3, adding selenium, iron and ISOCORT have I felt good and whole again. The other stuff matters. Period. Lee > > Go to www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. > MacG. > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: RT3_T3 > Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10 > Subject: Re: wilsons protocol > >  > What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? > > Janie H >  > MARKETPLACE > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Helpful, Lee, thanks for telling your story! Jeanne > > > > Go to www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. > > MacG. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Janie Hannah <janiehannah75@> > > To: RT3_T3 > > Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10 > > Subject: Re: wilsons protocol > > > >  > > What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? > > > > Janie H > >  > > MARKETPLACE > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 It just amazes me how some doctors can poo-pah certain things as irrelevant or non-existant. For example, the RT3 lab test and results. Mine showed RT3 at 434 with the top range at 350, but the PA at my docs office called it "irrelevant." How the heck can it be irrelevant if they actually measure it and it comes back as high? Not to mention that you can find lots of clinical studies and doctors' papers on the issue. This is one reason why I'm so thankful to have found this group. With doctors unwilling to treat or even recognize certain health issues, where would we be without other patients who share their stories and insights? Subject: Re: wilsons protocolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:59 PM Yep, there are two: Denis E. ,MD, founder of 's Temperature Syndrome (WTS) and L. , ND, DC, Phd., author of Adrenal Fatigue, a book I found not as informative as Durrant-Peatfield' s Your Thyroid and how to keep it healthy which has a clear, thorough description/ explanation of adrenal issues and their relation to thyroid issues although he denies rT3 dominance.Lee>> Go to www.wilsonstemperat uresyndrome. com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson.> MacG.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> From: Janie Hannah <janiehannah75@ ....>> To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10> Subject: Re: wilsons protocol> >  > What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ?> > Janie H>  > MARKETPLACE> Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living> > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use> .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 > >For example, the RT3 lab test and results. Mine showed RT3 at 434 with the top range at 350, but the PA at my docs office called it " irrelevant. " How the heck can it be irrelevant if they actually measure it and it comes back as high? Irelevant to them as they don't know how to treat it when it is out of range so best ignored Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 is grossmans T3 avaible in US pharmacies or is it from mexico or somewhere??Subject: Re: wilsons protocolTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:14 PM Helpful, Lee, thanks for telling your story! Jeanne > > > > Go to www.wilsonstemperat uresyndrome. com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. > > MacG. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Janie Hannah <janiehannah75@ > > > To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 17:02:10 > > Subject: Re: wilsons protocol > > > >  > > What is 's protocol? When it was mentioned here several days ago, I was unable to find it. I have the book Adrenal Fatigue - is it in there? Or is it a different ? > > > > Janie H > >  > > MARKETPLACE > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 ok so .... 1. after the RT3 is cleared will the FT4 be 0...or will there always be a tad of FT4 showing up...if so what amount of T4 that might be made by thyroid gland is acceptable..?2. once RT3 is cleared how long should you wait to try to go back to NT?? my daughter will be leaving for college and i think it would be ideal if she could go back to NT...hoping that the original cause of RT3 for her was low ferritin and cortisol, low b12 and undiagnosed thryoid issue for a while...>this is the one i believe i have heard nick mention is too hard on adrenals...so i wanted to understand why so i can tell my doctor next week...The rate of increase and decrease of T3 suggested by Dr and thecyclic way he changes it can be very hard on the system.RT3 needs TIME to clear. the way that Val has taught it is to slowlyincrease the T3 so that T4 levels drop, without any more T4 beingproduced then no more RT3 can be produced and what's left in thesystem is metabolized or decays. Eventually the RT3 that's blockingthe T3 cellular receptors also clears. This worked for me and seems tohave for many others. proposes changing T3 faster than the T4 decays and not leavingT3 levels there long enough to "starve out" the RT3, it's morejolting your system into action by increasing thyroid levels rapidlyand this can be hard on the system, especially if you have weakadrenals. I don't see this working with severe resistance.It's very different protocols and we do dot recommend or support the one here.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 ok so .... 1. after the RT3 is cleared will the FT4 be 0...or will there always be a tad of FT4 showing up...if so what amount of T4 that might be made by thyroid gland is acceptable..?2. once RT3 is cleared how long should you wait to try to go back to NT?? my daughter will be leaving for college and i think it would be ideal if she could go back to NT...hoping that the original cause of RT3 for her was low ferritin and cortisol, low b12 and undiagnosed thryoid issue for a while...>this is the one i believe i have heard nick mention is too hard on adrenals...so i wanted to understand why so i can tell my doctor next week...The rate of increase and decrease of T3 suggested by Dr and thecyclic way he changes it can be very hard on the system.RT3 needs TIME to clear. the way that Val has taught it is to slowlyincrease the T3 so that T4 levels drop, without any more T4 beingproduced then no more RT3 can be produced and what's left in thesystem is metabolized or decays. Eventually the RT3 that's blockingthe T3 cellular receptors also clears. This worked for me and seems tohave for many others. proposes changing T3 faster than the T4 decays and not leavingT3 levels there long enough to "starve out" the RT3, it's morejolting your system into action by increasing thyroid levels rapidlyand this can be hard on the system, especially if you have weakadrenals. I don't see this working with severe resistance.It's very different protocols and we do dot recommend or support the one here.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 >is grossmans T3 avaible in US pharmacies or is it from mexico or somewhere?? We buy it mail order from Mexico Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 >ok so .... > >1. after the RT3 is cleared will the FT4 be 0...or will there always be a tad of FT4 showing up...if so what amount of T4 that might be made by thyroid gland is acceptable..? there will be some around but it will probably be as far below the bottom of the range as the top is above range. > >2. once RT3 is cleared how long should you wait to try to go back to NT?? my daughter will be leaving for college and i think it would be ideal if she could go back to NT...hoping that the original cause of RT3 for her was low ferritin and cortisol, low b12 and undiagnosed thryoid issue for a while... I would suggest waiting on T3 only for 2 or 3 weeks at least after clearance before trying the swap. Suggestions on swapping are here http://thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm This process is best done SLOWLY. There are lots of stable places along the way that you can stay at permanently if you feel good at that place. You can monitor the progress as you go along as well and reverse it part way if you feel the resistance building again. Good luck, I tried and failed on the swap and am staying on T3 permanently but there are people who have made it and moved on feeling well. An approximate expected final dose is one grain for each 25 of T3 that you have settled on so the 75-125 typical T3 range becomes the 3 to 5 grain natural range. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 RT3 is Dennis , Adrenal Fatigue is .<<Posted by: "Janie Hannah" janiehannah75@... janiehannah75Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:24 am (PST)Interesting. Thank you. I haven't heard of that one.I'll be interested to hear the response(s) to Dawn Volz' question.JH________________________________From: MacGilchrist <s.macgilxristyahoo (DOT) co.uk>To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 10:07:03 AMSubject: Re: wilsons protocol Go to www.wilsonstemperat uresyndrome. com and have a look. I think there are two dr wilsons too. But I only know the above doctor wilson. MacG..>> Kem in Eugene <º)))>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 >RT3 is Dennis , Adrenal Fatigue is . Thanks for clarifying Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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