Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 >I am worried I am suffering now from upping T3 toos lowly over almsot 12 weeks. I am at 45 mcg daily, and I have digestion problems too. >So... What are the warning signs? Does the body temp AND pulse HAVE to get lower before one gets BADLY hypo? Or can the heart just stop like THAT if T3 runs out of you? The heart doesn't stop from being hypo, just beats more slowly and you feel rubbish. you are not anywhere near being dangerously hypo, just miserably so >Maybe I must ONLY take my T3 sublingually? Try it on alternative doses first, it can be equivalent to a dose increase to treat it with respect. >Would appreciate if ANYONE could answer. I am pretty scared now. I feel my heart beating weirdly... Not hard, not very fast.. Just.. Like it wants to stop! Feels like it. Stress dose HC NOW Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 >I am worried I am suffering now from upping T3 toos lowly over almsot 12 weeks. I am at 45 mcg daily, and I have digestion problems too. >So... What are the warning signs? Does the body temp AND pulse HAVE to get lower before one gets BADLY hypo? Or can the heart just stop like THAT if T3 runs out of you? The heart doesn't stop from being hypo, just beats more slowly and you feel rubbish. you are not anywhere near being dangerously hypo, just miserably so >Maybe I must ONLY take my T3 sublingually? Try it on alternative doses first, it can be equivalent to a dose increase to treat it with respect. >Would appreciate if ANYONE could answer. I am pretty scared now. I feel my heart beating weirdly... Not hard, not very fast.. Just.. Like it wants to stop! Feels like it. Stress dose HC NOW Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 If you have digestive problems, have you tried HCL for digestion? Might help the HC work better. Most people clear their RT3 problem around 12 weeks and are on over 100mcg of T3, so I would say you have done it rather slow. Nick will be able to better advise you. Have you always been such a worrier ? I think the worrying alone can use up the HC faster that you are supplying it with the HC pills. You seem to be in a constant state of panic and it's all questions you ask almost every day. The bloating, etc...can be from low cortisol, too. So I would also look into if you are getting enough of the HC. Nick and Val have told you that the heart stuff is normal with HypoT, etc... you need to relax a bit or you are going to jeopardize your own health even more. Terri From: Gibcast Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:13 PM To: rt3_t3 Subject: Upping T3 too slowly I am worried I am suffering now from upping T3 toos lowly over almsot 12 weeks. I am at 45 mcg daily, and I have digestion problems too. So... What are the warning signs? Does the body temp AND pulse HAVE to get lower before one gets BADLY hypo? Or can the heart just stop like THAT if T3 runs out of you? Maybe I must ONLY take my T3 sublingually? Would appreciate if ANYONE could answer. I am pretty scared now. I feel my heart beating weirdly... Not hard, not very fast.. Just.. Like it wants to stop! Feels like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 If you have digestive problems, have you tried HCL for digestion? Might help the HC work better. Most people clear their RT3 problem around 12 weeks and are on over 100mcg of T3, so I would say you have done it rather slow. Nick will be able to better advise you. Have you always been such a worrier ? I think the worrying alone can use up the HC faster that you are supplying it with the HC pills. You seem to be in a constant state of panic and it's all questions you ask almost every day. The bloating, etc...can be from low cortisol, too. So I would also look into if you are getting enough of the HC. Nick and Val have told you that the heart stuff is normal with HypoT, etc... you need to relax a bit or you are going to jeopardize your own health even more. Terri From: Gibcast Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:13 PM To: rt3_t3 Subject: Upping T3 too slowly I am worried I am suffering now from upping T3 toos lowly over almsot 12 weeks. I am at 45 mcg daily, and I have digestion problems too. So... What are the warning signs? Does the body temp AND pulse HAVE to get lower before one gets BADLY hypo? Or can the heart just stop like THAT if T3 runs out of you? Maybe I must ONLY take my T3 sublingually? Would appreciate if ANYONE could answer. I am pretty scared now. I feel my heart beating weirdly... Not hard, not very fast.. Just.. Like it wants to stop! Feels like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I am comparing Now to what I felt like when I got the heart issue (fibrillation of "some sort") in january 2008.I just don't want my heart to go nuts again. My specialis think That happened from heart getting too little T3 into the cells.I had a high FT3 at the time... No idea what my cortisol was like. Ferritin was probably at 80-90 in those times, but also at 166 at That exact time (due to a high CRP which I also had, I guess). So I don't know.I guess I am rather Hypo than Hyper now!Tomorrow I will get my blood sample result! FT3! >I am worried I am suffering now from upping T3 toos lowly over almsot 12 weeks. I am at 45 mcg daily, and I have digestion problems too. >So... What are the warning signs? Does the body temp AND pulse HAVE to get lower before one gets BADLY hypo? Or can the heart just stop like THAT if T3 runs out of you? The heart doesn't stop from being hypo, just beats more slowly and you feel rubbish. you are not anywhere near being dangerously hypo, just miserably so >Maybe I must ONLY take my T3 sublingually? Try it on alternative doses first, it can be equivalent to a dose increase to treat it with respect. >Would appreciate if ANYONE could answer. I am pretty scared now. I feel my heart beating weirdly... Not hard, not very fast.. Just.. Like it wants to stop! Feels like it. Stress dose HC NOW Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Actually, the worst feeling now is that I have this TICKLING (can anyone tell me what THIS feeling is?) feeling in my heart - And I cannot find ANYTHING on the internet that describes it like I feel it now. I haven't felt this feeling since LAST TIME I took T3, 2 years ago. I almoes died from some kind of fibrillation/arrhythmia back in Janary 2008. Could be PSVT, supraventrical fibrillation or something like that. And I feel it's coming back now. This is SCARY.(http://stanford.wellsphere.com/general-medicine-article/wolff-parkinson-white-syndrome-arrhythmia/730626)I quit T3 back then (Jan 2008), and I was fine with the heart.. But the rest of me fell apart slowly over time...Now what IS going on here?* Either I have too low cortisol* Too high cortisol* Too low Ferritin* My heart has an electrical faulty wiring (it has!) - and it cannot take more than 40 mcg T3. 40 mcg T3 was my previous T3 dose til January 2008 when I got that fibrillation.* Simply not enough T3 is getting to my cells/heartAnd no, I am not freaking TOTALLY out - I am just scared of dying now that this feeling is back with me and I cannot figure out why it's here! SO afraid of doing a mistake. I did stress dose with 2.5 mg HC 30 minutes ago.Dunno what to say or do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 If you feel there is something wrong with your heart aside from it being related to thyroid, then I would consult with your cardiologist for further work up. We can all speculate what is going on, but we don't know anymore then you do. So if you are feeling nervous, etc...get it checked out. From: Gibcast Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:19 PM To: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Upping T3 too slowly Actually, the worst feeling now is that I have this TICKLING (can anyone tell me what THIS feeling is?) feeling in my heart - And I cannot find ANYTHING on the internet that describes it like I feel it now. I haven't felt this feeling since LAST TIME I took T3, 2 years ago. I almoes died from some kind of fibrillation/arrhythmia back in Janary 2008. Could be PSVT, supraventrical fibrillation or something like that. And I feel it's coming back now. This is SCARY. (http://stanford.wellsphere.com/general-medicine-article/wolff-parkinson-white-syndrome-arrhythmia/730626) I quit T3 back then (Jan 2008), and I was fine with the heart.. But the rest of me fell apart slowly over time... Now what IS going on here? * Either I have too low cortisol * Too high cortisol * Too low Ferritin * My heart has an electrical faulty wiring (it has!) - and it cannot take more than 40 mcg T3. 40 mcg T3 was my previous T3 dose til January 2008 when I got that fibrillation. * Simply not enough T3 is getting to my cells/heart And no, I am not freaking TOTALLY out - I am just scared of dying now that this feeling is back with me and I cannot figure out why it's here! SO afraid of doing a mistake. I did stress dose with 2.5 mg HC 30 minutes ago. Dunno what to say or do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 >I just don't want my heart to go nuts again. My specialis think That happened from heart getting too little T3 into the cells. > >I had a high FT3 at the time.. Something doesn't add up in those 2 statements unless it was lack of cortisol stopping T3 getting through. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 It's just that what I'm feeling in my heart is ONLY happening when I take more T3, now that I am at 45+ (50 actually) mcg's of T3. I had this feeling 2 years ago when I was on T3 as well. On T4 only for the past 1/2 years, I did NOT have that feeling.So... I don't know what to do! I am clueless!If you feel there is something wrong with your heart aside from it being related to thyroid, then I would consult with your cardiologist for further work up. We can all speculate what is going on, but we don't know anymore then you do. So if you are feeling nervous, etc...get it checked out.   From: Gibcast Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:19 PM To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com Subject: Re: Upping T3 too slowly  Actually, the worst feeling now is that I have this TICKLING (can anyone tell me what THIS feeling is?) feeling in my heart - And I cannot find ANYTHING on the internet that describes it like I feel it now. I haven't felt this feeling since LAST TIME I took T3, 2 years ago. I almoes died from some kind of fibrillation/ arrhythmia back in Janary 2008. Could be PSVT, supraventrical fibrillation or something like that. And I feel it's coming back now. This is SCARY. (http://stanford. wellsphere. com/general- medicine- article/wolff- parkinson- white-syndrome- arrhythmia/ 730626) I quit T3 back then (Jan 2008), and I was fine with the heart.. But the rest of me fell apart slowly over time... Now what IS going on here? * Either I have too low cortisol * Too high cortisol * Too low Ferritin * My heart has an electrical faulty wiring (it has!) - and it cannot take more than 40 mcg T3. 40 mcg T3 was my previous T3 dose til January 2008 when I got that fibrillation. * Simply not enough T3 is getting to my cells/heart And no, I am not freaking TOTALLY out - I am just scared of dying now that this feeling is back with me and I cannot figure out why it's here! SO afraid of doing a mistake. I did stress dose with 2.5 mg HC 30 minutes ago. Dunno what to say or do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Yeah that's what I'm wondering about.I was good on T4/T3 combo (100 mcg / 40 mcg) for 3 years, then the last year gave me stress. This was in 2007. January 2008, fibrillation or something even worse than that happened.I had a high FT3 at the time. At was at 16! "Overdoes on T3" the endo said.But WHY was my FT3 so high? Low cortisol causing T3 to pool?Is the same happening now? Or does my heart have electrical wiring that can't not tolerate taking T3 past 40 mcg? >I just don't want my heart to go nuts again. My specialis think That happened from heart getting too little T3 into the cells. > >I had a high FT3 at the time.. Something doesn't add up in those 2 statements unless it was lack of cortisol stopping T3 getting through. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Btw I did that 10 mcg under the tongue before I went to bed.Felt VERY awake again when I woke up.Now 2 hours later (took my morning dose of 10 mcg T3 about 1 hour ago) I feel a bit bad again - It's the heart. It feels TICKLING inside. I hate this feeling. What IS going on here? I feel I need to find out about this ASAP before dying. This is my GUT feeling.Still havent gotten my new FT3 lab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 , Just out of curiosity, what was your RT3 before you started T3 only again this time? If it's below 250 you most likely do not need a T3-only therapy.Also, have you done a saliva cortisol test while on HC? It's a good way to determine if you're taking too much or too little. You put the HC in a gelcap on the day of the testing, and you collect your saliva sample about an hour after taking your HC. There are more details to this which I can forward you if you decide to do the testing. When are you getting your tonsils fixed? Also, Nick or someone else, I remember saying his temp is always 37.0. Doesn't this indicate he's NOT hypo???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 >Btw I did that 10 mcg under the tongue before I went to bed.Felt VERY awake again when I woke up. Good, it's leaving you less hypo by the morning then. >Now 2 hours later (took my morning dose of 10 mcg T3 about 1 hour ago) I feel a bit bad again - It's the heart. It feels TICKLING inside. I hate this feeling. What IS going on here? I feel I need to find out about this ASAP before dying. On the balance of probabilities you are not about too drop dead. Adrenals are supported, you are supplementing iron, and on a LOW dose of T3 still >This is my GUT feeling.Still havent gotten my new FT3 lab. What did your cardiologist say about it????? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 >Also, have you done a saliva cortisol test while on HC? It's a good way to >determine if you're taking too much or too little. You put the HC in a >gelcap on the day of the testing, and you collect your saliva sample about >an hour after taking your HC. There are more details to this which I can >forward you if you decide to do the testing. Can you post the details on here please, it's not one I have heard of Thanks Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 you have been asked to NOT tell peopel they can test cortiso while on HC on the adrenals group. Guess what it si stil a fact on this group. Testign RT3 levels while on T3 treatement does nto tell us if the RT3 ois gone from the receptors., It onyl shows blood levels have gine down qwhich YES they go down rpretty early in the game. Thoimas thyroid levels are stil lwo at last testign which si why wer are assuming his TEMPS are form the infecitonsin his tonsils., I wil thank yo ot stop contradcting everythign I say. I am n ot an idiot wiht an agenda, but I have been sick and I am left now with very little patience for this kind of crap. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I have a fast pulse now and ambulance is on the way to do ECG! Heart is tickling like it did before when I was on T3/T4 and got the flimmer/fibrillation!FAST PULSE - Doest this mean I am NOT hypo? Or is it the heart going nuts because it doesnt get enough T3 into cells?Can TOO MUCH HC cause heart issues?This sucks. >Also, have you done a saliva cortisol test while on HC? It's a good way to >determine if you're taking too much or too little. You put the HC in a >gelcap on the day of the testing, and you collect your saliva sample about >an hour after taking your HC. There are more details to this which I can >forward you if you decide to do the testing. Can you post the details on here please, it's not one I have heard of Thanks Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 >I had a high FT3 at the time. At was at 16! " Overdoes on T3 " the endo said. >But WHY was my FT3 so high? Low cortisol causing T3 to pool? Could be, or ferritin. Or TR3 of course. Plus you were on T4 as well which made the equivalent dose of T3 you were on MUCH greater. Around 50% (give or take a bit) of the T4 you take turns into T3 eventually. >Is the same happening now? Or does my heart have electrical wiring that can't not tolerate taking T3 past 40 mcg? Remember it was 40 of T3 AND a load of T4 before. Not the same thing at all. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 >I have a fast pulse now and ambulance is on the way to do ECG! Heart is tickling like it did before when I was on T3/T4 and got the flimmer/fibrillation! Adrenaine most likely >FAST PULSE - Doest this mean I am NOT hypo? Or is it the heart going nuts because it doesnt get enough T3 into cells? Do 2 things NOW Stress dose 5 of HC NOW Drink a glass of sea salted water NEXT Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 B"HFWIW, i am just now starting the rT3 protocol, but had exactly this problem last June.....heart went into atrial fib during an adrenal crisis (I woke up vomiting with BP bottoming out in the wee hrs of the a.m.) I stayed in afib for 6 days....they at first thought hyperthyroid, but my blood levels were "normal".....I was put on a beta blocker which converted the heart back into normal rhythm. In retrospect, doc & I believe the adrenal crisis (low cortisol) caused an adrenaline surge that pushed the heart into afib. The other possibility is low t3 in cells like was recently mentioned on this group.. In any event, I had exhausive cardiac work-ups late summer and my heart checked out fine. Now in the process of weaning off the beta blocker. So I vote for low cortisol causing an adrenaline surge. Good luck, I know how scary and creepy feeling this can be.HTH,Debra Re: Upping T3 too slowly I have a fast pulse now and ambulance is on the way to do ECG! Heart is tickling like it did before when I was on T3/T4 and got the flimmer/fibrillation!FAST PULSE - Doest this mean I am NOT hypo? Or is it the heart going nuts because it doesnt get enough T3 into cells?Can TOO MUCH HC cause heart issues?This sucks. >Also, have you done a saliva cortisol test while on HC? It's a good way to >determine if you're taking too much or too little. You put the HC in a >gelcap on the day of the testing, and you collect your saliva sample about >an hour after taking your HC. There are more details to this which I can >forward you if you decide to do the testing. Can you post the details on here please, it's not one I have heard of Thanks Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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