Questions

[Guest guest]

I found the Keto file recipes the only help for recipes

I feel the cookbook was not Kid-Friendly for my daughter

The recipes here are tried and true

Cannot answer the other questions, but sure someone else can

I do know, coconut oil is highly recommended over canola or flaxseed for the

KGD

Sandi

Mom to Zara

[Guest guest]

I've never tried the cheese snacks..... they must be a pre-made product that you

bought somewhere? I think cellulose is okay..... it's just pretty much

indigestible fiber.... they probably use it to keep them from sticking together.

Go by the protein, fat and carb numbers on the package in order to plan them

into a meal.

Coconut oil is a healthy saturated fat. It's very stable...... does not break

down from heat exposure like many other oils do...... does not go rancid. You

can keep it at room temp in the pantry for a long time. It's solid at room

temperature.... kind of like butter. Don't store it in the fridge or it will be

hard as a ROCK! It has almost no taste...... if you buy the refined type.

Spectrum makes one that is not refined...... and one that is (available at lots

of health food stores or online). The unrefined one says " full flavor " or

something like that one the label.... and it has a really strong, weird

taste.... to me. I prefer the neutral taste of the refined ones.... because you

can really use it for cooking just about anything and it doesn't overpower with

flavor. My favorite coconut oil is made by Omega Nutrition

www.omeganutrition.com .... you can order online from them. I think they call it

coconut " butter " . It's the same thing. I have some articles saved on the health

benefits of coconut oil. Let me know and I'll forward them privately. It has

antiviral and antifungal properties.

In my experience, I think coconut oil tends to raise ketones. So if your child

is already in strong ketosis, you might find that you need to lower the ratio or

just only use a bit of coconut oil each day.... and watch for rising ketones.

And also, balance by using other healthy fats.... olive oil, safflower, walnut

oil, flax oil, etc (always expeller pressed, from the health food store, if you

can).

Anyway, coconut oil got a bad rap years ago as being unhealthy....... and it IS

unhealthy if it's hydrogenated, which is how it was being used in lots of

products..... along with hydrogenated palm oil. So, many food manufacturers went

to using OTHER hydrogenated oils instead..... which aren't much better! It's the

hydrogenation you want to avoid....... the trans fats. Very unhealthy.......for

all of us!

Patti

questions

We are new still and want to thank everyone for all the

communications. I have learned so much just from reading old mail

and reciepes! Thanks! Has anyone tried Crunchy Baked Cheese snacks?

I read somewhere that they could be an option but I recieved some

today and they have powdered cellulose? I couldn't find that in the

keto book? Also, I read lots of refernces to coconut oil. What is

the benefit of that. Does it taste better or have more fat? Last

question Has anyone found the Ketogenic Cookbook by Brake helpful?

Thanks again for the input!

Melisa (Mason's mom on diet 1 1/2 months, only 1 seizure so far!)

[Guest guest]

I've never tried the cheese snacks..... they must be a pre-made product that you

bought somewhere? I think cellulose is okay..... it's just pretty much

indigestible fiber.... they probably use it to keep them from sticking together.

Go by the protein, fat and carb numbers on the package in order to plan them

into a meal.

Coconut oil is a healthy saturated fat. It's very stable...... does not break

down from heat exposure like many other oils do...... does not go rancid. You

can keep it at room temp in the pantry for a long time. It's solid at room

temperature.... kind of like butter. Don't store it in the fridge or it will be

hard as a ROCK! It has almost no taste...... if you buy the refined type.

Spectrum makes one that is not refined...... and one that is (available at lots

of health food stores or online). The unrefined one says " full flavor " or

something like that one the label.... and it has a really strong, weird

taste.... to me. I prefer the neutral taste of the refined ones.... because you

can really use it for cooking just about anything and it doesn't overpower with

flavor. My favorite coconut oil is made by Omega Nutrition

www.omeganutrition.com .... you can order online from them. I think they call it

coconut " butter " . It's the same thing. I have some articles saved on the health

benefits of coconut oil. Let me know and I'll forward them privately. It has

antiviral and antifungal properties.

In my experience, I think coconut oil tends to raise ketones. So if your child

is already in strong ketosis, you might find that you need to lower the ratio or

just only use a bit of coconut oil each day.... and watch for rising ketones.

And also, balance by using other healthy fats.... olive oil, safflower, walnut

oil, flax oil, etc (always expeller pressed, from the health food store, if you

can).

Anyway, coconut oil got a bad rap years ago as being unhealthy....... and it IS

unhealthy if it's hydrogenated, which is how it was being used in lots of

products..... along with hydrogenated palm oil. So, many food manufacturers went

to using OTHER hydrogenated oils instead..... which aren't much better! It's the

hydrogenation you want to avoid....... the trans fats. Very unhealthy.......for

all of us!

Patti

questions

We are new still and want to thank everyone for all the

communications. I have learned so much just from reading old mail

and reciepes! Thanks! Has anyone tried Crunchy Baked Cheese snacks?

I read somewhere that they could be an option but I recieved some

today and they have powdered cellulose? I couldn't find that in the

keto book? Also, I read lots of refernces to coconut oil. What is

the benefit of that. Does it taste better or have more fat? Last

question Has anyone found the Ketogenic Cookbook by Brake helpful?

Thanks again for the input!

Melisa (Mason's mom on diet 1 1/2 months, only 1 seizure so far!)

[Guest guest]

I've never tried the cheese snacks..... they must be a pre-made product that you

bought somewhere? I think cellulose is okay..... it's just pretty much

indigestible fiber.... they probably use it to keep them from sticking together.

Go by the protein, fat and carb numbers on the package in order to plan them

into a meal.

Coconut oil is a healthy saturated fat. It's very stable...... does not break

down from heat exposure like many other oils do...... does not go rancid. You

can keep it at room temp in the pantry for a long time. It's solid at room

temperature.... kind of like butter. Don't store it in the fridge or it will be

hard as a ROCK! It has almost no taste...... if you buy the refined type.

Spectrum makes one that is not refined...... and one that is (available at lots

of health food stores or online). The unrefined one says " full flavor " or

something like that one the label.... and it has a really strong, weird

taste.... to me. I prefer the neutral taste of the refined ones.... because you

can really use it for cooking just about anything and it doesn't overpower with

flavor. My favorite coconut oil is made by Omega Nutrition

www.omeganutrition.com .... you can order online from them. I think they call it

coconut " butter " . It's the same thing. I have some articles saved on the health

benefits of coconut oil. Let me know and I'll forward them privately. It has

antiviral and antifungal properties.

In my experience, I think coconut oil tends to raise ketones. So if your child

is already in strong ketosis, you might find that you need to lower the ratio or

just only use a bit of coconut oil each day.... and watch for rising ketones.

And also, balance by using other healthy fats.... olive oil, safflower, walnut

oil, flax oil, etc (always expeller pressed, from the health food store, if you

can).

Anyway, coconut oil got a bad rap years ago as being unhealthy....... and it IS

unhealthy if it's hydrogenated, which is how it was being used in lots of

products..... along with hydrogenated palm oil. So, many food manufacturers went

to using OTHER hydrogenated oils instead..... which aren't much better! It's the

hydrogenation you want to avoid....... the trans fats. Very unhealthy.......for

all of us!

Patti

questions

We are new still and want to thank everyone for all the

communications. I have learned so much just from reading old mail

and reciepes! Thanks! Has anyone tried Crunchy Baked Cheese snacks?

I read somewhere that they could be an option but I recieved some

today and they have powdered cellulose? I couldn't find that in the

keto book? Also, I read lots of refernces to coconut oil. What is

the benefit of that. Does it taste better or have more fat? Last

question Has anyone found the Ketogenic Cookbook by Brake helpful?

Thanks again for the input!

Melisa (Mason's mom on diet 1 1/2 months, only 1 seizure so far!)

[Guest guest]

Popcorn is one of my daughter's favorite meals. I use regular

popcorn, popped in an air popper without fat. I weigh the popped

corn and add it to the butter which has been weighed, then melted.

She gets 9g. of popcorn which is about a cup, popped. It is SWIMMING

in butter, but she loves it that way. She also gets turkey with mayo

in this meal. No cream, so we can use all the carb. allowance for

popcorn. Popcorn isn't the healthiest carb. source, but it does

provide a good amt. of fiber which helps prevent constipation. I

don't let her over-do this meal, but it is a treat for her.

Cammie

Someone mentioned popcorn - what is the contriversy here and

> how do you measure it because it is listed on the nutrition facts

as

> unpopped but no way to weigh it that way if you give the micro kind

> which I think is higher in fat.

[Guest guest]

Popcorn is one of my daughter's favorite meals. I use regular

popcorn, popped in an air popper without fat. I weigh the popped

corn and add it to the butter which has been weighed, then melted.

She gets 9g. of popcorn which is about a cup, popped. It is SWIMMING

in butter, but she loves it that way. She also gets turkey with mayo

in this meal. No cream, so we can use all the carb. allowance for

popcorn. Popcorn isn't the healthiest carb. source, but it does

provide a good amt. of fiber which helps prevent constipation. I

don't let her over-do this meal, but it is a treat for her.

Cammie

Someone mentioned popcorn - what is the contriversy here and

> how do you measure it because it is listed on the nutrition facts

as

> unpopped but no way to weigh it that way if you give the micro kind

> which I think is higher in fat.

[Guest guest]

Popcorn is one of my daughter's favorite meals. I use regular

popcorn, popped in an air popper without fat. I weigh the popped

corn and add it to the butter which has been weighed, then melted.

She gets 9g. of popcorn which is about a cup, popped. It is SWIMMING

in butter, but she loves it that way. She also gets turkey with mayo

in this meal. No cream, so we can use all the carb. allowance for

popcorn. Popcorn isn't the healthiest carb. source, but it does

provide a good amt. of fiber which helps prevent constipation. I

don't let her over-do this meal, but it is a treat for her.

Cammie

Someone mentioned popcorn - what is the contriversy here and

> how do you measure it because it is listed on the nutrition facts

as

> unpopped but no way to weigh it that way if you give the micro kind

> which I think is higher in fat.

[Guest guest]

> Hey, this is Keli. I'm a newbie too.

> Is it super important to see an RE? I absolutley love my

> dr. but obviously want do what's best for me and a baby. Just

> looking for some input. Thanks in advance.

>

> Happy New Year to everyone!

> Keli, 24 SU

Keli -

I have UD, however, I wanted to reply to your question about an RE.

My GYN knew that I had a uterine anomoly since I was about 16 yrs

old. He blew it off as no big deal and never did any tests to

determine the exact type or anything. He always said that if I had

problems having sex or getting pg, we would worry about it then.

Well, I found this group and a few other BB groups and learned the

importance of seeing an RE and went to one for a second opinion.

Turned out that what I thought was an SU was really UD and also I had

severe Endo which my GYN never paid attention to. So, in my opinion,

seeing an RE is EXTREMELY important. They are specialists, moreso

than a GYN, and can give you the best treatment. It doesn't mean

that you can't still see your GYN though.

Just my 2 cents.

Marie

26, UD

TTC #1

Clomid 50 mg

[Guest guest]

> Hey, this is Keli. I'm a newbie too.

> Is it super important to see an RE? I absolutley love my

> dr. but obviously want do what's best for me and a baby. Just

> looking for some input. Thanks in advance.

>

> Happy New Year to everyone!

> Keli, 24 SU

Keli -

I have UD, however, I wanted to reply to your question about an RE.

My GYN knew that I had a uterine anomoly since I was about 16 yrs

old. He blew it off as no big deal and never did any tests to

determine the exact type or anything. He always said that if I had

problems having sex or getting pg, we would worry about it then.

Well, I found this group and a few other BB groups and learned the

importance of seeing an RE and went to one for a second opinion.

Turned out that what I thought was an SU was really UD and also I had

severe Endo which my GYN never paid attention to. So, in my opinion,

seeing an RE is EXTREMELY important. They are specialists, moreso

than a GYN, and can give you the best treatment. It doesn't mean

that you can't still see your GYN though.

Just my 2 cents.

Marie

26, UD

TTC #1

Clomid 50 mg

[Guest guest]

> Hey, this is Keli. I'm a newbie too.

> Is it super important to see an RE? I absolutley love my

> dr. but obviously want do what's best for me and a baby. Just

> looking for some input. Thanks in advance.

>

> Happy New Year to everyone!

> Keli, 24 SU

Keli -

I have UD, however, I wanted to reply to your question about an RE.

My GYN knew that I had a uterine anomoly since I was about 16 yrs

old. He blew it off as no big deal and never did any tests to

determine the exact type or anything. He always said that if I had

problems having sex or getting pg, we would worry about it then.

Well, I found this group and a few other BB groups and learned the

importance of seeing an RE and went to one for a second opinion.

Turned out that what I thought was an SU was really UD and also I had

severe Endo which my GYN never paid attention to. So, in my opinion,

seeing an RE is EXTREMELY important. They are specialists, moreso

than a GYN, and can give you the best treatment. It doesn't mean

that you can't still see your GYN though.

Just my 2 cents.

Marie

26, UD

TTC #1

Clomid 50 mg

[Guest guest]

Marie,

Thanks for your reply (my first one...yeaaa =) ) It's nice to hear

input from someone who's a little further in the process than me.

This is all so new for me, as I've only known about my SU for a few

weeks now. I think I was extremely lukcy now looking back though.

My OB seems to be very proactive. He was just trying to find the

source of my pelvic pain when he discovered the MA. He ordered

ultrasounds, HSG, and MRI all on his own and then did the lap/hst

surgery after all that to fully diagonse. When he feels a little

unsure he gets on the phone and calls the RE for his opinion as

well. So I think I've just been fortunate in the fact that he's so

quick and thourough and really takes my concerns seriously. Since I

am not trying to get pg yet, I haven't checked into the whole RE

thing yet, but I definitley will. It sounds like it certainly

couldn't hurt. Thanks again for your input..it's always welcome!

Keli, 24 SU

> > Hey, this is Keli. I'm a newbie too.

> > Is it super important to see an RE? I absolutley love my

> > dr. but obviously want do what's best for me and a baby. Just

> > looking for some input. Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Happy New Year to everyone!

> > Keli, 24 SU

>

>

> Keli -

> I have UD, however, I wanted to reply to your question about an RE.

> My GYN knew that I had a uterine anomoly since I was about 16 yrs

> old. He blew it off as no big deal and never did any tests to

> determine the exact type or anything. He always said that if I had

> problems having sex or getting pg, we would worry about it then.

> Well, I found this group and a few other BB groups and learned the

> importance of seeing an RE and went to one for a second opinion.

> Turned out that what I thought was an SU was really UD and also I

had

> severe Endo which my GYN never paid attention to. So, in my

opinion,

> seeing an RE is EXTREMELY important. They are specialists, moreso

> than a GYN, and can give you the best treatment. It doesn't mean

> that you can't still see your GYN though.

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Marie

> 26, UD

> TTC #1

> Clomid 50 mg

[Guest guest]

Marie,

Thanks for your reply (my first one...yeaaa =) ) It's nice to hear

input from someone who's a little further in the process than me.

This is all so new for me, as I've only known about my SU for a few

weeks now. I think I was extremely lukcy now looking back though.

My OB seems to be very proactive. He was just trying to find the

source of my pelvic pain when he discovered the MA. He ordered

ultrasounds, HSG, and MRI all on his own and then did the lap/hst

surgery after all that to fully diagonse. When he feels a little

unsure he gets on the phone and calls the RE for his opinion as

well. So I think I've just been fortunate in the fact that he's so

quick and thourough and really takes my concerns seriously. Since I

am not trying to get pg yet, I haven't checked into the whole RE

thing yet, but I definitley will. It sounds like it certainly

couldn't hurt. Thanks again for your input..it's always welcome!

Keli, 24 SU

> > Hey, this is Keli. I'm a newbie too.

> > Is it super important to see an RE? I absolutley love my

> > dr. but obviously want do what's best for me and a baby. Just

> > looking for some input. Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Happy New Year to everyone!

> > Keli, 24 SU

>

>

> Keli -

> I have UD, however, I wanted to reply to your question about an RE.

> My GYN knew that I had a uterine anomoly since I was about 16 yrs

> old. He blew it off as no big deal and never did any tests to

> determine the exact type or anything. He always said that if I had

> problems having sex or getting pg, we would worry about it then.

> Well, I found this group and a few other BB groups and learned the

> importance of seeing an RE and went to one for a second opinion.

> Turned out that what I thought was an SU was really UD and also I

had

> severe Endo which my GYN never paid attention to. So, in my

opinion,

> seeing an RE is EXTREMELY important. They are specialists, moreso

> than a GYN, and can give you the best treatment. It doesn't mean

> that you can't still see your GYN though.

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Marie

> 26, UD

> TTC #1

> Clomid 50 mg

[Guest guest]

Marie,

Thanks for your reply (my first one...yeaaa =) ) It's nice to hear

input from someone who's a little further in the process than me.

This is all so new for me, as I've only known about my SU for a few

weeks now. I think I was extremely lukcy now looking back though.

My OB seems to be very proactive. He was just trying to find the

source of my pelvic pain when he discovered the MA. He ordered

ultrasounds, HSG, and MRI all on his own and then did the lap/hst

surgery after all that to fully diagonse. When he feels a little

unsure he gets on the phone and calls the RE for his opinion as

well. So I think I've just been fortunate in the fact that he's so

quick and thourough and really takes my concerns seriously. Since I

am not trying to get pg yet, I haven't checked into the whole RE

thing yet, but I definitley will. It sounds like it certainly

couldn't hurt. Thanks again for your input..it's always welcome!

Keli, 24 SU

> > Hey, this is Keli. I'm a newbie too.

> > Is it super important to see an RE? I absolutley love my

> > dr. but obviously want do what's best for me and a baby. Just

> > looking for some input. Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Happy New Year to everyone!

> > Keli, 24 SU

>

>

> Keli -

> I have UD, however, I wanted to reply to your question about an RE.

> My GYN knew that I had a uterine anomoly since I was about 16 yrs

> old. He blew it off as no big deal and never did any tests to

> determine the exact type or anything. He always said that if I had

> problems having sex or getting pg, we would worry about it then.

> Well, I found this group and a few other BB groups and learned the

> importance of seeing an RE and went to one for a second opinion.

> Turned out that what I thought was an SU was really UD and also I

had

> severe Endo which my GYN never paid attention to. So, in my

opinion,

> seeing an RE is EXTREMELY important. They are specialists, moreso

> than a GYN, and can give you the best treatment. It doesn't mean

> that you can't still see your GYN though.

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Marie

> 26, UD

> TTC #1

> Clomid 50 mg

[Guest guest]

hi mari,

if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't take

your meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always and

with a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks in).

i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1 hour

before and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit absorption

to.

good luck,

andrea

Quoting Mari :

>

>

>

>

> I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January

>

> I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it

>

> regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under

>

> my tongue.  It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-

>

> DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg

>

> tablet of Vitamin C.

>

>

>

> Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to

>

> me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1

>

> refill. 60mg tablets.

>

>

>

> I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now

>

> and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and

>

> stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood

>

> pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go

>

> back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to

>

> mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I

>

> take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12

>

> selenium after dinner.

>

>

>

> Please advise.

>

>

>

> Mari

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi mari,

if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't take

your meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always and

with a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks in).

i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1 hour

before and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit absorption

to.

good luck,

andrea

Quoting Mari :

>

>

>

>

> I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January

>

> I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it

>

> regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under

>

> my tongue.  It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-

>

> DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg

>

> tablet of Vitamin C.

>

>

>

> Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to

>

> me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1

>

> refill. 60mg tablets.

>

>

>

> I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now

>

> and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and

>

> stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood

>

> pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go

>

> back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to

>

> mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I

>

> take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12

>

> selenium after dinner.

>

>

>

> Please advise.

>

>

>

> Mari

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you were on 5 tabs of Thyroid-S, assuming that they are the 1 grain tabs.... dropping to one grain of Armour is a heck of a drop.....

The timing here is off.... being on the Armour, not having the blood draw before switching.. you won't know what the Thyroid-S was doing for your levels... and with being on the Armour only, what 2 to 3 weeks... you won't be getting a very accurate picture of what is going on with the change in brand and the drop in dose....

I'm not familiar with how blood pressure meds might affect the thyroid hormones... someone else might be able to jump in on that....

How was your pulse rate, and how were you feeling, while on the Thyroid-S? How are you feeling now, compared to then?

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:53:30 -0000 "Mari" writes:

I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg tablet of Vitamin C.Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1 refill. 60mg tablets.I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12 selenium after dinner.Please advise.Mari

[Guest guest]

If you were on 5 tabs of Thyroid-S, assuming that they are the 1 grain tabs.... dropping to one grain of Armour is a heck of a drop.....

The timing here is off.... being on the Armour, not having the blood draw before switching.. you won't know what the Thyroid-S was doing for your levels... and with being on the Armour only, what 2 to 3 weeks... you won't be getting a very accurate picture of what is going on with the change in brand and the drop in dose....

I'm not familiar with how blood pressure meds might affect the thyroid hormones... someone else might be able to jump in on that....

How was your pulse rate, and how were you feeling, while on the Thyroid-S? How are you feeling now, compared to then?

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:53:30 -0000 "Mari" writes:

I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg tablet of Vitamin C.Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1 refill. 60mg tablets.I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12 selenium after dinner.Please advise.Mari

[Guest guest]

If you were on 5 tabs of Thyroid-S, assuming that they are the 1 grain tabs.... dropping to one grain of Armour is a heck of a drop.....

The timing here is off.... being on the Armour, not having the blood draw before switching.. you won't know what the Thyroid-S was doing for your levels... and with being on the Armour only, what 2 to 3 weeks... you won't be getting a very accurate picture of what is going on with the change in brand and the drop in dose....

I'm not familiar with how blood pressure meds might affect the thyroid hormones... someone else might be able to jump in on that....

How was your pulse rate, and how were you feeling, while on the Thyroid-S? How are you feeling now, compared to then?

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:53:30 -0000 "Mari" writes:

I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg tablet of Vitamin C.Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1 refill. 60mg tablets.I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12 selenium after dinner.Please advise.Mari

[Guest guest]

Interesting. My medicine bottle for levoxyl says take 1 hour before, or 1 hour after eating. I don't know that I've noticed a big difference, I normally drink a lot of water, but I *do* take my levoxyl with other medications, e.g. lithium. My doctors never mentioned anything, nor my pharmacy about that.

What do you think about that?

Re: Questions

hi mari,if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't takeyour meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always andwith a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks in).i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1 hourbefore and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit absorptionto.good luck,andreaQuoting Mari :>>>>> I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January>> I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it>> regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under>> my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO->> DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg>> tablet of Vitamin C.>>>> Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to>> me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1>> refill. 60mg tablets.>>>> I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now>> and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and>> stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood>> pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go>> back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to>> mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I>> take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12>> selenium after dinner.>>>> Please advise.>>>> Mari>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Interesting. My medicine bottle for levoxyl says take 1 hour before, or 1 hour after eating. I don't know that I've noticed a big difference, I normally drink a lot of water, but I *do* take my levoxyl with other medications, e.g. lithium. My doctors never mentioned anything, nor my pharmacy about that.

What do you think about that?

Re: Questions

hi mari,if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't takeyour meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always andwith a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks in).i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1 hourbefore and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit absorptionto.good luck,andreaQuoting Mari :>>>>> I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January>> I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it>> regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under>> my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO->> DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg>> tablet of Vitamin C.>>>> Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to>> me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1>> refill. 60mg tablets.>>>> I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now>> and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and>> stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood>> pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go>> back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to>> mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I>> take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12>> selenium after dinner.>>>> Please advise.>>>> Mari>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Interesting. My medicine bottle for levoxyl says take 1 hour before, or 1 hour after eating. I don't know that I've noticed a big difference, I normally drink a lot of water, but I *do* take my levoxyl with other medications, e.g. lithium. My doctors never mentioned anything, nor my pharmacy about that.

What do you think about that?

Re: Questions

hi mari,if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't takeyour meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always andwith a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks in).i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1 hourbefore and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit absorptionto.good luck,andreaQuoting Mari :>>>>> I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January>> I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it>> regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under>> my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO->> DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg>> tablet of Vitamin C.>>>> Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to>> me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1>> refill. 60mg tablets.>>>> I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now>> and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and>> stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood>> pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go>> back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to>> mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I>> take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12>> selenium after dinner.>>>> Please advise.>>>> Mari>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I can only speak for myself when I say that I can notice a difference. Some

doctors honestly may not know this. Many standard family docs don't know a lot

about thyroid hormones, their functions, etc. If you spread your pills out

throughout the day you will notice you might have trouble sleeping, feeling

jittery, etc. but if you think about it... you use less hormone asleep than you

do awake, but you still use it when you are asleep. So in theory it is possible

for you to over medicate your body even if the doc says you are fine. That

really doesn't have much to do with your situation, I just happened to think of

that though.... if you take 2 or 3 pills a day and all while you are awake, from

the minute you take that last pill and it wears off, it's until the next day

that you take the next pill, you might notice a difference to.

Something to think about. Group, what do you think about that??

andrea

Quoting My Group :

> Interesting. My medicine bottle for levoxyl says take 1 hour before, or 1

> hour after eating. I don't know that I've noticed a big difference, I

> normally drink a lot of water, but I *do* take my levoxyl with other

> medications, e.g. lithium. My doctors never mentioned anything, nor my

> pharmacy about that.

>

> What do you think about that?

>

> Re: Questions

>

>

>

>

> hi mari,

>

> if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't

> take

> your meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always

> and

> with a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks

> in).

>

> i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1

> hour

> before and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit

> absorption

> to.

>

> good luck,

> andrea

>

>

>

>

> Quoting Mari :

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January

> >

> > I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it

> >

> > regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under

> >

> > my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-

> >

> > DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg

> >

> > tablet of Vitamin C.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to

> >

> > me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1

> >

> > refill. 60mg tablets.

> >

> >

> >

> > I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now

> >

> > and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and

> >

> > stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood

> >

> > pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go

> >

> > back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to

> >

> > mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I

> >

> > take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12

> >

> > selenium after dinner.

> >

> >

> >

> > Please advise.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I can only speak for myself when I say that I can notice a difference. Some

doctors honestly may not know this. Many standard family docs don't know a lot

about thyroid hormones, their functions, etc. If you spread your pills out

throughout the day you will notice you might have trouble sleeping, feeling

jittery, etc. but if you think about it... you use less hormone asleep than you

do awake, but you still use it when you are asleep. So in theory it is possible

for you to over medicate your body even if the doc says you are fine. That

really doesn't have much to do with your situation, I just happened to think of

that though.... if you take 2 or 3 pills a day and all while you are awake, from

the minute you take that last pill and it wears off, it's until the next day

that you take the next pill, you might notice a difference to.

Something to think about. Group, what do you think about that??

andrea

Quoting My Group :

> Interesting. My medicine bottle for levoxyl says take 1 hour before, or 1

> hour after eating. I don't know that I've noticed a big difference, I

> normally drink a lot of water, but I *do* take my levoxyl with other

> medications, e.g. lithium. My doctors never mentioned anything, nor my

> pharmacy about that.

>

> What do you think about that?

>

> Re: Questions

>

>

>

>

> hi mari,

>

> if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't

> take

> your meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always

> and

> with a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks

> in).

>

> i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1

> hour

> before and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit

> absorption

> to.

>

> good luck,

> andrea

>

>

>

>

> Quoting Mari :

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January

> >

> > I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it

> >

> > regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under

> >

> > my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-

> >

> > DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg

> >

> > tablet of Vitamin C.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to

> >

> > me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1

> >

> > refill. 60mg tablets.

> >

> >

> >

> > I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now

> >

> > and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and

> >

> > stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood

> >

> > pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go

> >

> > back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to

> >

> > mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I

> >

> > take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12

> >

> > selenium after dinner.

> >

> >

> >

> > Please advise.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I can only speak for myself when I say that I can notice a difference. Some

doctors honestly may not know this. Many standard family docs don't know a lot

about thyroid hormones, their functions, etc. If you spread your pills out

throughout the day you will notice you might have trouble sleeping, feeling

jittery, etc. but if you think about it... you use less hormone asleep than you

do awake, but you still use it when you are asleep. So in theory it is possible

for you to over medicate your body even if the doc says you are fine. That

really doesn't have much to do with your situation, I just happened to think of

that though.... if you take 2 or 3 pills a day and all while you are awake, from

the minute you take that last pill and it wears off, it's until the next day

that you take the next pill, you might notice a difference to.

Something to think about. Group, what do you think about that??

andrea

Quoting My Group :

> Interesting. My medicine bottle for levoxyl says take 1 hour before, or 1

> hour after eating. I don't know that I've noticed a big difference, I

> normally drink a lot of water, but I *do* take my levoxyl with other

> medications, e.g. lithium. My doctors never mentioned anything, nor my

> pharmacy about that.

>

> What do you think about that?

>

> Re: Questions

>

>

>

>

> hi mari,

>

> if you take anything with your armour, it might not absorb properly. don't

> take

> your meds with food, or with other medication. take them seperately always

> and

> with a large glass of water (the more you drink, the faster armour kicks

> in).

>

> i take armour 3x a day and it's hard to balance it but don't eat at least 1

> hour

> before and after taking it. also any allergens you have can limit

> absorption

> to.

>

> good luck,

> andrea

>

>

>

>

> Quoting Mari :

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hypothyroid. I have been on synthroid in the past. Last January

> >

> > I started self medicating,I was on Thyroid - S, but I got it

> >

> > regulated to 5 tablets a day, 3 in the morning and 2 at bedtime under

> >

> > my tongue. It seemed to work very well with me. I also take B12,BIO-

> >

> > DREN FOR ADRENALS 1 TABLET PER DAY.400 MCGS OF SELENIUM. 1 500 mg

> >

> > tablet of Vitamin C.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well I went to a family doctor, and asked for Armour, He gave it to

> >

> > me. Told me to take one pill a day. Gave me 30 days worth with 1

> >

> > refill. 60mg tablets.

> >

> >

> >

> > I got them on Friday. I have been taking them as directed right now

> >

> > and not taking any Thyroid - s. But amd taking all the vitamins and

> >

> > stuff like before. Now I didnt get blood test yet, because my blood

> >

> > pressure was high 164/104 and he wanted to work on this, I will go

> >

> > back in 2 weeks for blood test. Is the blood pressure pill going to

> >

> > mess up the Armour ?? Do I need to take it different times ?? Like I

> >

> > take my Armour in the morning, vitamin c after lunch, bio-dren b12

> >

> > selenium after dinner.

> >

> >

> >

> > Please advise.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Synthetic T4 (that includes Synthroid, Levothyroxine, Levothroid, Eltroxin, and quite a few more) must be taken on an empty stomach, that's 1 hour before a meal or 4 hours after.. and with only enough water to swallow it....

The manufacturing process used in it's manufacture binds a sodium molecule to the T4 molecule... your body uses stomach acid to remove that sodium molecule to make the T4 available to your body... if your stomach acid is diluted with food contents, like water or food, or is too weak from the use of antacids.. the T4 can't be broken down to it's usable form.

So the reason that you take it on empty stomach is to make the introduction of the daily dose as consistent as possible... The assumption being that an empty stomach as about the same acid content day to day... roughly... if you sometimes have food in there you reduce the efficiency of the process and get less of the hormone available to your body.

It's best to try to take your thyroid separate from pretty much everything else, including vitamins.... the only exception seems to be that taking adrenal support along with the first dose of thyroid right away in the morning seems to be a good combo for those on adrenal support for adrenal fatigue.

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:48:48 -0600 "My Group" writes:

Interesting. My medicine bottle for levoxyl says take 1 hour before, or 1 hour after eating. I don't know that I've noticed a big difference, I normally drink a lot of water, but I *do* take my levoxyl with other medications, e.g. lithium. My doctors never mentioned anything, nor my pharmacy about that.

What do you think about that?