Re: Morning awakeness, doesn&#039;t last long..

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February 21, 2010

I am a perfectionist and worrier by heart, so "common sense" to me doesn't work all too well unfortunately. I wish I could find someone in my own country who is doign T3 sublingually to we could compare results! I will have to look into that.Val, is upping from 27.5 mg HC to 35 mg HC in just 2-3 days too fast?

There are no rules for sublingual T3. The4 manufacturers did nto trial

it for using it this way so we are on our own. I would simpoly use

common sense and when it si gone from your mouth it is absorbed or

swallowed.

February 21, 2010

It is never too much to increase HC IF YOU NEED IT. I went from ZERO to

80mg in a day whne I was ill. it is down that you have to go slow with

HC . Just rememnber at any time you are stressed your own adrenals

should be able to produce 200-300mg in ONE spurt! They don't unless

there is extreme stress for your body to handle or we would have high

cortils symptoms all the time. We are trying ot mimick what our bodies

would produce so it varies by the stress you have in a day.

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February 21, 2010

Wow, 300 mg! I understand. But it's impossible for us to know how much HC we need if we get such a stress on our body. A carcrash. Maybe we need 300 mg then. Maybe 200. It's difficult to know! How do I know how much HC I need during a fight with my wife for example? While having a headache?Also, won't more and more HC, like I am taking now, mess up my intestines? I now have only soft, yellow stools. It's clearly something wrong inside of me.Should I add ox bile and beatine? I saw a product on iher from now foods that had a mix of things including those, I think. Is there any risk in taking ox bile and beatine?I need to start fixing my body before it goes too much out of whack! Feels like I am decomposing slowly sometimes.. :pIt is never too much to increase HC IF YOU NEED IT. I went from ZERO to

80mg in a day whne I was ill. it is down that you have to go slow with

HC . Just rememnber at any time you are stressed your own adrenals

should be able to produce 200-300mg in ONE spurt! They don't unless

there is extreme stress for your body to handle or we would have high

cortils symptoms all the time. We are trying ot mimick what our bodies

would produce so it varies by the stress you have in a day.

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February 21, 2010

This is why we take small stress doses and just repaet it eveyr 15-20

minutes if the st5ress is not releuived. For instanc when I was on 30mg

a day and woudl have a dog snap at me I was working on .. Immediatly I

got shaky and nauseaus. So I owudl start wiht 5mg then, wait 10 minutes

and if sitl shaky, take another 5mg till the symptims stopped.

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February 21, 2010

I get it. I've been doing something like that myself. Taking 2.5 mg HC then taking 2.5 more if I feel like I need it. It just takes some time getting into that, listening to the body is not so easy! :pShould I take this for my yellow bowels, Val? http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Betaine-HCI-120-Capsules/398?at=0---

This is why we take small stress doses and just repaet it eveyr 15-20

minutes if the st5ress is not releuived. For instanc when I was on 30mg

a day and woudl have a dog snap at me I was working on .. Immediatly I

got shaky and nauseaus. So I owudl start wiht 5mg then, wait 10 minutes

and if sitl shaky, take another 5mg till the symptims stopped.

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February 21, 2010

Val, kan too much HC make a person stressed?I am taking more HC now than last week but I still feel like I am trembling, and very much while moving my joints, like I have jagged movement.

February 21, 2010

You could try it'

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February 21, 2010

You need more protein if you have yellow stool. A liver/galbladder cleanse would

also be helpful. Betaine HCL is great oif you have no history of ulcer but I

don't know if it helps yellow stool

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> This is why we take small stress doses and just repaet it eveyr 15-20

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> minutes if the st5ress is not releuived. For instanc when I was on 30mg

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> a day and woudl have a dog snap at me I was working on .. Immediatly I

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> got shaky and nauseaus. So I owudl start wiht 5mg then, wait 10 minutes

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> and if sitl shaky, take another 5mg till the symptims stopped.

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February 21, 2010

Why do you think sublingual absorption would be worse than via the

stomach/digestive tract?

Did you get a chance to read the link I sent you yesterday about how this works?

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> >I wonder why I feel so awake when I wake up at 10 am, but sleepier (much

sleepier) at noon after taking my first dose of T3 for the day! Hmmmm. Maybe I

really need to take everything sublingually! ?

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> Try it and see

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> Nick

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February 21, 2010

Whaaat? I thought too MUCH protein could make it MORE difficult for me to get normal bowels. I am currently eating a lot of protein! Every meal is a lot of protein. At least 50% is protein. Maybe 70%. All I know is my system is not working. And my stool proves that.

You need more protein if you have yellow stool. A liver/galbladder cleanse would also be helpful. Betaine HCL is great oif you have no history of ulcer but I don't know if it helps yellow stool

February 21, 2010

It's logical that sublingual absorption is th ebest. I am just worried that these pills made for Swallowing isn't as good when taken sublingually. Guess my symptoms and reactions to the pills will decide. I am worried all the time cause everything I'm doing is very "alternative" - Not that I don't believe in it, but I might be the only person in Norway on T3-only, HC, and with rT3-issues, etc.! I feel so lost and alone here. This group is helping A LOT though! Thanks for being here guys! I read it.

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Why do you think sublingual absorption would be worse than via the stomach/digestive tract?

Did you get a chance to read the link I sent you yesterday about how this works?

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> >I wonder why I feel so awake when I wake up at 10 am, but sleepier (much sleepier) at noon after taking my first dose of T3 for the day! Hmmmm. Maybe I really need to take everything sublingually! ?

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> Try it and see

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> Nick

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February 21, 2010

Well this wasn't so positive! :\"MS: What is your opinion about ''s Syndrome' and Drs and C Lowe's treatment with T3-only? JD: First of all, now that we have the free-T4, free-T3 and ultra-sensitive (3rd-generation) TSH tests, there is no need to rely on the non-specific 'low basal body temperature' method of diagnosis of hypothyroidism popularized by Broda decades ago, when these new tests were not available. If one does all 3 these blood-tests, and reads them sensitively-enough, one can diagnose the mildest cases of hypothyroidism accurately. The low basal body temp. is not specific for hypothyroidism, although common in hypothyroidism. However, when the only test that is normally done to screen for hypothyroidism is the TSH, I can see where patients will become desperate enough to use any method they

can to try to establish a diagnosis of hypothyroidism when this TSH test is "in the normal range".Secondly, treating with T3-only is almost as bad as treating with T4-only in most cases and worse than T4-only in some cases. I say 'almost as bad' because, since 90% of thyroid function is carried out by T3, correcting the T3 level is a good thing. However, the brain needs T4 to be present in the blood in a good amount because T3 doesn't cross the 'blood-brain barrier' and get into the brain directly. T4 has to get into the brain first and then convert to T3 in the brain tissues. So the cognitive effects of a low T4 level would continue because T3-only treatment raises the T3 level a lot, often way above normal (with all the dangers inherent in that situation), and, by lowering the TSH level, this also lowers the T4 level to way-below normal. I cannot understand why anyone would want to treat with T3-only and not use both thyroid hormones, as

needed to optimize BOTH free-levels. This is not to deny that many people treated with T3-only will improve in many ways; after all, T3 is a very important hormone; but they would improve much better and with less ill-effects if both their FT4 and FT3 levels are optimized and neither one is overtreated or undertreated.Thirdly, my understanding is that these people who treat with T3-only do rather poor monitoring of thyroid blood levels and, if they measure the T3 level at all, it is usually the much-less-accurate total-T3 level and not the free-T3 level, which is the only 100%-active fraction of the T3 in the blood. I discussed all these issues with Dr Dennis by phone from my then-office in Portsmouth VA in the early 90's; I am disappointed that he didn't see the obvious merit in my arguments and has not modified his approach at all. My understanding is that C Lowe, DC, doesn't necessarily think that his fibromyalgia patients who

respond to T3 are necessarily hypothyroid but that boosting the T3 level to high-normal or even higher is somehow beneficial for such patients. I have seen some fibromyalgia patients respond quite dramatically to thyroid hormone treatment, but this is not the answer in all or even most cases. I am also pursuing relaxin hormone and cetyl myrist-oleate treatment in these cases, with benefit in most of them."

, I'm just wondering why you're waiting until noon to take your first T3 dose of the day. That means you're making your body go without thyroid hormone since the previous night's dose. And since T3 has a short half-life - 8 to 12 hours according to the article at http://www.thyroid- info.com/ articles/ dommisse. htm.

Maybe the reason you're getting so sleepy by noon is that the T3 from your last bedtime dose of the previous day is finally running out and your body is starting to crash?

February 21, 2010

I can really relate to what you're going through, . I've always felt like

I was in my late 20s even though I'm now 47 -- which sounds SO old to me. The

sad thing is that over the last five years or so I've started to feel more and

more old. I know I had a thyroid problem for several years that doctors would

just brush off as nonsense.

I completely understand trying to stay up to have more fun, except that I'm

trying to stay up because I'm stressed that I have to get more work done or

suffer negative consequences on the job. The only problem is that I really don't

get any extra work done. I just waste two or three hours that I could have spent

sleeping. Maybe instead of feeling sad and like you have to stay up later to

have some fun in the final hours of " today, " you might instead think about how

much better you'll feel and how much more fun you'll have tomorrow if you get

the extra sleep. It's definitely much kinder to your adrenals and your body

overall.

I'm trying now to live in today, forget about yesterday since it's already gone,

and make a difference in my thinking and behavior that will make tomorrow

better. Holding on to the past just causes more heartache, particularly if your

past includes sickness, resentment, hostile experiences, betrayal, or anything

of that nature. It's kind of like post-traumatic-stress-disorder. The past

continues to affect us today until we learn to move past it and focus on what's

important now. (Not to diminish what those with PTSD suffer because of issues

like war, etc. I do realize that's a much deeper problem to resolve.)

How is it that you can sleep in until 11 a.m.? I'm envious! What sort of work do

you do?

LIsa

> They're now calling that behavior " Teenage 'night owl' syndrome. "

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> Basically, even though the sun is on a 24 hour schedule, our bodies are on a

24-hour-plus- six-minute schedule. According to the article at http://articles.

latimes.com/ 2010/feb/ 17/science/ la-sci-students1 7-2010feb17, this " night-owl

syndrome " is caused by students not getting enough bright light during the day

to set their circadian rhythms correctly. The light deficiency causes them to go

to bed six minutes later day after day until at some point their schedule is

completely out of whack. I'm sure this also happens with adults, as we drive to

work before full daylight and spend our days possibly in offices or cubicles or

even stay at home inside of our houses all day long, never leaving until after

the sun has already started to set.

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> I had this problem severely before I discovered my RT3 issue. I felt like I

was finally getting my day's dose of energy at around 10 p.m. I would finally

force myself to go to bed around 4 a.m. just because I knew that my alarm was

going to go off before I had enough hours to sleep! (My work day is supposed to

start at 8:30 a.m. and I have to allow an hour for the rush-hour commute.) I was

told by several wise folks on the Natural Thyroid Hormones and other groups that

it was a sign of adrenal problems.

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> Once I started on the T3-only treatment, I've seen the late night burst of

energy stop. Now I get tired much earlier. The only problem is that I've now

developed a habit of staying up later (like tonight) feeling a stress to get

more work done.

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> From your note below, it sounds like the T3 treatment is starting to have a

similar effect on your sleep schedule, sending you to bed a bit earlier. I think

if we " gave in " when we first felt tired and went straight to bed, the whole

" night owl " issue might resolve itself.

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> I say this to both you and to myself, since I've had similar issues! :-)

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> Do you usually sleep until around 11 a.m.? If not, what time do you wake up?

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February 21, 2010

, I've had great experience with dosing sublingually. It takes about five minutes for the tablets to dissolve under your tongue. Once they're completely gone, I don't worry about waiting to eat or drink. I figure that they're absorbing as they're dissolving.

One other thought -- when we do the saliva cortisol test, the directions say to rinse your mouth and wait five minutes before starting the sample collection. Based on this, perhaps we can extrapolate that the saliva in the mouth refreshes within five minutes. So if you wait five minutes after the tablets dissolve, you should be fine.

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February 21, 2010

Who are you quoting here? PLease NEVER print a quote with out the

authors permission and name.

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