Re: Rt3, ferritin & adrenals

February 23, 2010

What we have seen on this group is great results with almost NO side

effects from the iron IV's. If your levels arein the 20's or below it

can save months of struggling wiht tolerating the oral meds in dosages

high enough to absorb it enough to raise the levels.

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February 23, 2010

Does anyone have an idea how many IV iron treatments it usually takes to get a

ferritin up? I have had 3 of 125mg ferrlecit and trying to decide whether to

keep going or stop supps for 5 days and check levels.

steve

>

> What we have seen on this group is great results with almost NO side

> effects from the iron IV's. If your levels arein the 20's or below it

> can save months of struggling wiht tolerating the oral meds in dosages

> high enough to absorb it enough to raise the levels.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

February 23, 2010

I have had many iron IV's, but they were all " Venofer " , not " ferrlecit " . The

Venofer product info recommends six infusions, then re-test. There may be a

similar recommendation for ferrlecit, the IV nurse where you get your iron

administered might be able to look it up.

There are several IV irons (ferrlecit, Venofer, INFeD, etc.) I get Venofer

because it is my understanding that it is the IV iron with the lowest risk of

side effects.

> >

> > What we have seen on this group is great results with almost NO side

> > effects from the iron IV's. If your levels arein the 20's or below it

> > can save months of struggling wiht tolerating the oral meds in dosages

> > high enough to absorb it enough to raise the levels.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> >

>

February 23, 2010

I just recently had two iron IVs and my ferritin went from 32 to 112. I had no

side effects and am very happy I was able to get them. (It was the venofer

type.)

>

> What we have seen on this group is great results with almost NO side

> effects from the iron IV's. If your levels arein the 20's or below it

> can save months of struggling wiht tolerating the oral meds in dosages

> high enough to absorb it enough to raise the levels.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

February 23, 2010

Thanks for thoughts on IV ferritin treatment. Could you also help me to

understand my lab results? I've had doctors say that I don't need isocort or

cortef but based on the lab results might i?

Also if I'm going to cut the dosage of levoxyl should I wait to start citomel or

start it now?

>

> Thanks Nick & Val,

>

> I've reposted my lab results with the ranges included. Val, you mentioned

cutting my levoxyl dosage in half to start and to increase my ferritin. I'll

start by taking the 100 mg a day and increase the following week based on your

recommendation. I have read a bit about the iv treatment and it sounds like some

people have serious reactions to this. Any thoughts? Also, should I be taking

the 15 citomel a day while cutting back on the levoxyl or just not start that

yet.

>

> Thanks.

>

> I have dealt with health issues for the past 15 years and have been searching

> for answers. I've dealt with chronic fatigue, anxiety, depression, digestive

> issues and more. For the past year I have been taking levoxyl because I was

> hypothyroid. I feel like initially it made a difference and gave me a bit more

> energy and emotional strength...I didn't feel as anxious or emotional.

However,

> I just started seeing a new doctor who told me that my thyroid is still quite

> out of whack and that I should start taking 15mcg of citomel a day.

>

> I did the RT3 ratio and I it looks as if I have reverse t3. I had my ferritin

> tested and it's very low: 18 ng/mL. I also had an adrenal saliva test done and

> would love some help understanding it. I have felt that I have adrenal fatigue

> but I've had several doctors tell me I don't need to take isocort or cortef.

> Could you help me understand my adrenal test results? The doctor I'm seeing

now

> said that the best way to support my adrenals is to check and see if I'm

> allergic to cortisol. I took the allergy test and it came back positive so she

> has recommended taking desensitization drops. Do you recommend this? Do I need

> to be strengthening my adrenals more before taking citomel?

>

> I'm wondering if I should be stopping the t4 cold turkey to clear out the

> reverse t3 or continuing to take T4 while I work on getting my ferritin levels

> up. Is that safe to do, are there side effects? My doctor is recommending that

I

> take my t4, 112 mcg along with the 15mcg of citomel a day. I feel like that

> won't solve the problem though. What would you recommend looking at?

>

> Cortisol ng/mL

> 5.3 @ 9:10 am range 7-10

> 2.8 @ 1:10 pm midday range 3-6

> 2.6 @ 7:10 pm evening 2-4

> 2.6 @ 11:59 pm night < 1.5

>

> Thyroid

> Reverse t3 253 pg/mL range 90-350

> Ferritin 18 ng/mL range 10-291

> Triiodothyronine, free, serum 2.1 g/mL range 2-4.4

> Thyroxine (t4) free, direct, S 1.24 ng/dL range .82-1.77

> TSH 2.37 uIU/mL range .45-4.5

>

> Thanks so much for your help.

>

February 24, 2010

Cortisol ng/mL

> 5.3 @ 9:10 am range 7-10 Should be top of range (9-10 ideal) LOW

> 2.8 @ 1:10 pm midday range 3-6 Should also be top of range (4-6) LOW

> 2.6 @ 7:10 pm evening 2-4 Should be mid range stil a bit low but not bad

> 2.6 @ 11:59 pm night < 1.5 This one is HIGH because of being too low all day,

this is hte feedback loop teling you that your corrtisol was to low all day and

thus once you relax and adrenals CAN produce more there is too much ACTH present

and they go too high. This will interfere with sleep and proper rest and cause

the next AM levels to be too low from adrenal exhaustion overnight.

I would NOT start T3 until your Ferritin is at least 50. It is very likely to

cause bad side effects if oyu try to start it too soon. And the T4 is NOT

helping you atthis point, It is only creating more RT3

As with everything doctors see 'in range " and think you are normal. We have

learned there are OPTIMAL places to be within those ranges and also in some

testing (FT3 for example) the ranges are just plain wrong.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

February 25, 2010

Thanks for the input Val.

Should I be taking isocort or something else during the day? Anything at night?

Recommended dosage?

Is it bad to stop taking t4 suddenly? Do I need to ween myself off of it, and

will I have dramatic side effects from stopping suddenly?

>

> Cortisol ng/mL

> > 5.3 @ 9:10 am range 7-10 Should be top of range (9-10 ideal) LOW

> > 2.8 @ 1:10 pm midday range 3-6 Should also be top of range (4-6) LOW

> > 2.6 @ 7:10 pm evening 2-4 Should be mid range stil a bit low but not bad

> > 2.6 @ 11:59 pm night < 1.5 This one is HIGH because of being too low all

day, this is hte feedback loop teling you that your corrtisol was to low all day

and thus once you relax and adrenals CAN produce more there is too much ACTH

present and they go too high. This will interfere with sleep and proper rest and

cause the next AM levels to be too low from adrenal exhaustion overnight.

> I would NOT start T3 until your Ferritin is at least 50. It is very likely to

cause bad side effects if oyu try to start it too soon. And the T4 is NOT

helping you atthis point, It is only creating more RT3

>

> As with everything doctors see 'in range " and think you are normal. We have

learned there are OPTIMAL places to be within those ranges and also in some

testing (FT3 for example) the ranges are just plain wrong.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

February 25, 2010