Help with latest labs

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Thanks for the website -- I don't think I clarified earlier that my temps fluctuate --- but seem to be linked to dosing issues. When I get too much T3 - my pulse and temp go up ie. pulse in 90s and temps up to 99.1. When I lower the dose, temps come down and so does pulse and bp. Overall, temps are lower in the morning, peak mid-day and evening and are lower at bedtime. They do this consistently, I am just not getting the peaks to bet 98.6 without the heart issues interfering. This is why I am thinking it is not adrenals -- both symptoms and temp issues are not consistent with adrenal issues are they? I take temps before and after dosing and temps do not drop after dosing -- they either stay the same or rise. If it were adrenals, my understanding is that temps would go up and down and up and down and would typically decrease after dosing with increased pulse. Also, I have good energy, sleep well,

awaken rested, improving metabolism, and decreased hair loss. These are the opposite of adrenal symptoms. That is why I am puzzled.

Thanks,

Beth

Thanks,

Beth

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 9:26:04 AMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs

Beth here is the link to Canary Club. Their prices are much cheaper and they use ZRT labs for the evaluation. I think they have a $99 test that tests are four cortisol levels for the day. You might look into the site and see.

http://www.canarycl ub.org/home- test-kits/ adrenal-a- reproductive. html

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Help with latest labsTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:48 AM

Thanks for the input - I just checked the STTM website about symptoms of adrenal fatigue. I don't have the symptoms -- in fact have quite the opposite on several of them. Not to be a miser, but I looked at the cost of the saliva test and $171 is a lot of money -- particularly if I don't have the classic symptoms. I am curious what Nick's take is on my situation?

Thanks,

Beth

From: mom2matt <mom2mattcomcast (DOT) net>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 11:27:21 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs

Beth,

That could be adrenal. Also your temps while they aren't bad, they aren't suppose to fluctuate more then .2 and yours are .4, so that would suggest there is an adrenal issue. I would get a saliva test done if you can to rule that out. That could be why you can't tolerate the T3. I know when I tried it a few months ago, before I knew about saliva testing, my heart went crazy on it. So I am starting the HC and then will add in T3 when my temps are more stable. Have you tried sea salt in your water? That has helped me with rapid heartbeats and my BP.

15-20 mcg seems pretty low when most people are on over 100 when their FT3 clears, from all that I have read on here. I would definitely do a saliva test to check your adrenals before increasing the T3.

GOOD LUCK!

From: Beth Schubert

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:29 PM

To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Help with latest labs

Sky,

Thanks so much for your response. I am actually not on any medication for the ferritin level -- that is what my level is without medication. I haven't had my adrenals tested, but I don't have symptoms to suggest adrenal fatigue -- I don't think. My energy is good, I am sleeping like a baby, hair loss has decreased, and my metabolism is slowing improving. The only negative side effect I have right now is the heart stuff with occasional very rapid beats in the evenings and occasional increased blood pressure. My temps do still fluctuate some, but I have had more 98.2-98.6 readings in the past couple of weeks than ever before. I am finding that some days I can only handle 15 mcg of T3 only because my hearrt rate is too high or my heart flutters too much.

Should I jusst keep going like I am taking 15 -20 mcg per day until 11 weeks. Is this enough to get my Free T3 levels up?

Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

Beth

From: SKY JONES <subhadradasi2000@ yahoo.com. au>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 10:07:12 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs

Hi Beth

The ratio and the reverse t3 are the first things to get better. Just because our ratio gets better does not mean the t3 gets to our cells. You have been on t3 for only 6 weeks it takes around 12 weeks for the breakthrough. Your t3 level is still very low. Did you stop the ferritin for 5 days before the test? Have you had your adrenals tested?

Sky

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>To: RT3 Group <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 6:45:39 AMSubject: Help with latest labs

Nick and Val,

I just got my latest lab results and am not sure how to proceed. I think the news is good and will explain the heart problems I keep having. I have been on T3 only for 6 weeks and you may remember I am the one who kept saying I couldn't tolerate more than about 20 - 25 mcg Cytomel without increased heart that was causing tightness. Val wanted me to check my Ferritin as well. Here are my results:

Ferritin - 70

Free T4 -- still pending

T4 Total - 3.8 ( 4.5 - 12.5)

Free T3 - 238 (23-420)

Reverse T3 - 11 (11-32)

TSH - 1.55

This gives me a ratio of 21.64 -- isn't that correct? Last time I had my blood checked my ratio was 10.3. My Ferritin looks good, too.

So, what does all this mean and what should I do now? I continue to have heart issues and am wondering if should go back to a T3/T4 combo at this point? I didn't have as much trouble with my heart on Armour.

Please let me know your thougths.

Thanks,

Beth

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Oh sorry I did not read your previous posts. Yeah your right it doesn't sound like adrenals. Your FT3 is low but it's odd that your temps are good. Maybe the adrenals are ok and are compensating for the low thyroid. I would wait until Val is better and back on and repost your situation. Most likely she will know what to do.

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Help with latest labsTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:48 AM

Thanks for the input - I just checked the STTM website about symptoms of adrenal fatigue. I don't have the symptoms -- in fact have quite the opposite on several of them. Not to be a miser, but I looked at the cost of the saliva test and $171 is a lot of money -- particularly if I don't have the classic symptoms. I am curious what Nick's take is on my situation?

Thanks,

Beth

From: mom2matt <mom2mattcomcast (DOT) net>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 11:27:21 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs

Beth,

That could be adrenal. Also your temps while they aren't bad, they aren't suppose to fluctuate more then .2 and yours are .4, so that would suggest there is an adrenal issue. I would get a saliva test done if you can to rule that out. That could be why you can't tolerate the T3. I know when I tried it a few months ago, before I knew about saliva testing, my heart went crazy on it. So I am starting the HC and then will add in T3 when my temps are more stable. Have you tried sea salt in your water? That has helped me with rapid heartbeats and my BP.

15-20 mcg seems pretty low when most people are on over 100 when their FT3 clears, from all that I have read on here. I would definitely do a saliva test to check your adrenals before increasing the T3.

GOOD LUCK!

From: Beth Schubert

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:29 PM

To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Help with latest labs

Sky,

Thanks so much for your response. I am actually not on any medication for the ferritin level -- that is what my level is without medication. I haven't had my adrenals tested, but I don't have symptoms to suggest adrenal fatigue -- I don't think. My energy is good, I am sleeping like a baby, hair loss has decreased, and my metabolism is slowing improving. The only negative side effect I have right now is the heart stuff with occasional very rapid beats in the evenings and occasional increased blood pressure. My temps do still fluctuate some, but I have had more 98.2-98.6 readings in the past couple of weeks than ever before. I am finding that some days I can only handle 15 mcg of T3 only because my hearrt rate is too high or my heart flutters too much.

Should I jusst keep going like I am taking 15 -20 mcg per day until 11 weeks. Is this enough to get my Free T3 levels up?

Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

Beth

From: SKY JONES <subhadradasi2000@ yahoo.com. au>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 10:07:12 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs

Hi Beth

The ratio and the reverse t3 are the first things to get better. Just because our ratio gets better does not mean the t3 gets to our cells. You have been on t3 for only 6 weeks it takes around 12 weeks for the breakthrough. Your t3 level is still very low. Did you stop the ferritin for 5 days before the test? Have you had your adrenals tested?

Sky

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>To: RT3 Group <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 6:45:39 AMSubject: Help with latest labs

Nick and Val,

I just got my latest lab results and am not sure how to proceed. I think the news is good and will explain the heart problems I keep having. I have been on T3 only for 6 weeks and you may remember I am the one who kept saying I couldn't tolerate more than about 20 - 25 mcg Cytomel without increased heart that was causing tightness. Val wanted me to check my Ferritin as well. Here are my results:

Ferritin - 70

Free T4 -- still pending

T4 Total - 3.8 ( 4.5 - 12.5)

Free T3 - 238 (23-420)

Reverse T3 - 11 (11-32)

TSH - 1.55

This gives me a ratio of 21.64 -- isn't that correct? Last time I had my blood checked my ratio was 10.3. My Ferritin looks good, too.

So, what does all this mean and what should I do now? I continue to have heart issues and am wondering if should go back to a T3/T4 combo at this point? I didn't have as much trouble with my heart on Armour.

Please let me know your thougths.

Thanks,

Beth

[Guest guest]

Oh sorry I did not read your previous posts. Yeah your right it doesn't sound like adrenals. Your FT3 is low but it's odd that your temps are good. Maybe the adrenals are ok and are compensating for the low thyroid. I would wait until Val is better and back on and repost your situation. Most likely she will know what to do.

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Help with latest labsTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:48 AM

Thanks for the input - I just checked the STTM website about symptoms of adrenal fatigue. I don't have the symptoms -- in fact have quite the opposite on several of them. Not to be a miser, but I looked at the cost of the saliva test and $171 is a lot of money -- particularly if I don't have the classic symptoms. I am curious what Nick's take is on my situation?

Thanks,

Beth

From: mom2matt <mom2mattcomcast (DOT) net>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 11:27:21 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs

Beth,

That could be adrenal. Also your temps while they aren't bad, they aren't suppose to fluctuate more then .2 and yours are .4, so that would suggest there is an adrenal issue. I would get a saliva test done if you can to rule that out. That could be why you can't tolerate the T3. I know when I tried it a few months ago, before I knew about saliva testing, my heart went crazy on it. So I am starting the HC and then will add in T3 when my temps are more stable. Have you tried sea salt in your water? That has helped me with rapid heartbeats and my BP.

15-20 mcg seems pretty low when most people are on over 100 when their FT3 clears, from all that I have read on here. I would definitely do a saliva test to check your adrenals before increasing the T3.

GOOD LUCK!

From: Beth Schubert

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:29 PM

To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Help with latest labs

Sky,

Thanks so much for your response. I am actually not on any medication for the ferritin level -- that is what my level is without medication. I haven't had my adrenals tested, but I don't have symptoms to suggest adrenal fatigue -- I don't think. My energy is good, I am sleeping like a baby, hair loss has decreased, and my metabolism is slowing improving. The only negative side effect I have right now is the heart stuff with occasional very rapid beats in the evenings and occasional increased blood pressure. My temps do still fluctuate some, but I have had more 98.2-98.6 readings in the past couple of weeks than ever before. I am finding that some days I can only handle 15 mcg of T3 only because my hearrt rate is too high or my heart flutters too much.

Should I jusst keep going like I am taking 15 -20 mcg per day until 11 weeks. Is this enough to get my Free T3 levels up?

Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

Beth

From: SKY JONES <subhadradasi2000@ yahoo.com. au>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 10:07:12 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs

Hi Beth

The ratio and the reverse t3 are the first things to get better. Just because our ratio gets better does not mean the t3 gets to our cells. You have been on t3 for only 6 weeks it takes around 12 weeks for the breakthrough. Your t3 level is still very low. Did you stop the ferritin for 5 days before the test? Have you had your adrenals tested?

Sky

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>To: RT3 Group <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 6:45:39 AMSubject: Help with latest labs

Nick and Val,

I just got my latest lab results and am not sure how to proceed. I think the news is good and will explain the heart problems I keep having. I have been on T3 only for 6 weeks and you may remember I am the one who kept saying I couldn't tolerate more than about 20 - 25 mcg Cytomel without increased heart that was causing tightness. Val wanted me to check my Ferritin as well. Here are my results:

Ferritin - 70

Free T4 -- still pending

T4 Total - 3.8 ( 4.5 - 12.5)

Free T3 - 238 (23-420)

Reverse T3 - 11 (11-32)

TSH - 1.55

This gives me a ratio of 21.64 -- isn't that correct? Last time I had my blood checked my ratio was 10.3. My Ferritin looks good, too.

So, what does all this mean and what should I do now? I continue to have heart issues and am wondering if should go back to a T3/T4 combo at this point? I didn't have as much trouble with my heart on Armour.

Please let me know your thougths.

Thanks,

Beth

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to say that my temps are good, 98.6 (37.0 C) even if I'm Hypo! So you never know! Some are freaks, like me!

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Help with latest labsTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:48 AM

 

Thanks for the input - I just checked the STTM website about symptoms of adrenal fatigue.  I don't have the symptoms -- in fact have quite the opposite on several of them.  Not to be a miser, but I looked at the cost of the saliva test and $171 is a lot of money -- particularly if I don't have the classic symptoms.  I am curious what Nick's take is on my situation? 

 

Thanks,

Beth

From: mom2matt <mom2mattcomcast (DOT) net>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 11:27:21 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs 

Beth,

 

 That could be adrenal. Also your temps while they aren't bad, they aren't suppose to fluctuate more then .2 and yours are .4, so that would suggest there is an adrenal issue. I would get a saliva test done if you can to rule that out. That could be why you can't tolerate the T3. I know when I tried it a few months ago, before I knew about saliva testing, my heart went crazy on it. So I am starting the HC and then will add in T3 when my temps are more stable. Have you tried sea salt in your water? That has helped me with rapid heartbeats and my BP.

 

15-20 mcg seems pretty low when most people are on over 100 when their FT3 clears, from all that I have read on here. I would definitely do a saliva test to check your adrenals before increasing the T3.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

 

From: Beth Schubert

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:29 PM

To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Help with latest labs

 

Sky,

Thanks so much  for your response.  I am actually not on any medication for the ferritin level --  that is what my level is without medication.  I haven't had my adrenals tested, but I don't have symptoms to suggest adrenal fatigue -- I don't think.  My energy is good, I am sleeping like a baby,  hair loss has decreased, and my metabolism is slowing improving.  The only negative side effect I have right now is the heart  stuff with occasional very rapid beats in the evenings and occasional increased blood pressure. My temps do still fluctuate  some, but I have had more 98.2-98.6 readings in the past couple of weeks than ever before.  I am finding that some days I can only handle 15 mcg of T3 only because my hearrt rate is too high or my heart  flutters too much. 

 

Should I jusst keep going like I am taking 15 -20 mcg per day until 11 weeks.  Is this enough to get my Free T3 levels up? 

Thanks for any guidance you can give  me.

 

Beth

From: SKY JONES <subhadradasi2000@ yahoo.com. au>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, February 16, 2010 10:07:12 PMSubject: Re: Help with latest labs 

Hi Beth

 

The ratio and the reverse t3 are the first things to get better. Just because our ratio gets better does not mean the t3 gets to our cells. You have been on t3 for only 6 weeks it takes around 12 weeks for the breakthrough. Your t3 level is still very low. Did you stop the ferritin for 5 days before the test? Have you had your adrenals tested?

 

Sky

From: Beth Schubert <schubert.beth@ yahoo.com>To: RT3 Group <RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com>Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 6:45:39 AMSubject: Help with latest labs 

Nick and Val,

I just got my latest lab results and am not sure how to proceed.  I think the news is good and will explain the heart problems I keep having.  I have been on T3 only for 6 weeks and you may remember I am the one who kept saying I couldn't tolerate more than about 20 - 25 mcg Cytomel without increased heart that was causing tightness.  Val wanted me to check my Ferritin as well.  Here are my results:

 

Ferritin - 70

Free T4 -- still pending

T4 Total - 3.8 ( 4.5 - 12.5)

Free T3 - 238 (23-420)

Reverse T3 - 11 (11-32)

TSH - 1.55

 

This gives me a ratio of 21.64 -- isn't that correct?  Last time I had my blood checked my ratio was 10.3.  My Ferritin looks good, too.

 

So, what does all this mean and what should I do now?  I continue to have heart issues and am wondering if should go back to a T3/T4 combo at this point?  I didn't have as much trouble with my heart on Armour.

 

Please let me know your thougths.

 

Thanks,

Beth 

[Guest guest]

Nick,

You asked that I repost this:

Nick and Val,

I just got my latest lab results and am not sure how to proceed. I think the news is good but I am confused about the heart problems I keep having. I have been on T3 only for 6 weeks and you may remember I am the one who kept saying I couldn't tolerate more than about 20 - 25 mcg Cytomel without increased heart that was causing tightness. Val wanted me to check my Ferritin (see below) as well which is good, I think. Here are my results:

Ferritin - 70

Free T4 (Direct dialysis) .7 (.8-2.7)

T4 Total - 3.8 ( 4.5 - 12.5)

T3 Total - 67 (76 - 181)

Free T3 - 238 (23-420)

Reverse T3 - 11 (11-32)

TSH - 1.55

This gives me a ratio of 21.64 -- isn't that correct? Last time I had my blood checked my ratio was 10.3.

Here is my confusion --

1) Do these numbers mean the RT3 has cleared at only 6 weeks?

2) I am 6 weeks in and I can only tolerate 20 mcg of Cytomel per day otherwise my heart goes crazy with increased pulse and bp. Is this low a dose a problem?

3) My temps fluctuate --- but they seem consistent ie. lower in the morning, peak mid-day and evening and are lower at bedtime. I am just not getting the peaks to be 98.6 without the heart issues interfering. The fluctuation seems to be linked to dosing issues. For example, when I get too much T3 - my pulse and temp go up ie. pulse in 90s and temps up to 99.1. When I lower the dose, temps come down and so does pulse and bp. This is why I am thinking it is not adrenals -- both symptoms and temp issues are not consistent with adrenal issues are they? I take temps before and after dosing and temps do not drop after dosing -- they either stay the same or rise. If it were adrenals, my understanding is that temps would go up and down and up and down and would typically decrease after dosing with increased pulse. Also, I have good energy, sleep well, awaken rested, improving metabolism,

and decreased hair loss. These are the opposite of adrenal symptoms. That is why I am puzzled. I just checked the STTM website about symptoms of adrenal fatigue. I don't have the symptoms -- in fact have quite the opposite on several of them. Not to be a miser, but I looked at the cost of the saliva test and $171 is a lot of money -- particularly if I don't have the classic symptoms.

So, what does all this mean and what should I do now? I continue to have heart issues and am wondering if should go back to a T3/T4 combo at this point? I didn't have as much trouble with my heart on Armour.

Thank you so much for your past help and any advice you can give me now -- you and Val are much appreciated by us all.

Thanks,

Beth

[Guest guest]

>

>You asked that I repost this:

I replied in the original thread this morning! The reply is there

somewhere

Nick