Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Sounds pretty hypo to me, but have you had adrenals tested? Ferritin? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Hi Sandy, As someone who also started on T3 6 days ago, I found it was my body crying out for more. I thought, at first, maybe it was the meds, but found out it was actually from going hypo again. I've found it continue but get better after I dose. I'm still going slow - am now on 5 at 8am, 5 at noon, 5 at 6pm and 5 before bed at 11pm. I find my body is using it up faster and faster, likely because I'm still on such a low dose. However, I'm also curious about the cellulose filler and whether that is slowing things up in addition to it being a lose dose. > > Hi Nick/Val, > > On my second day of T3, 10mcg, took my 1st dose at 6am,2nd at 11am by about 2.30pm I felt a bit tired so had a lie down, I had the jittery feeling in my chest and every time I started to doze my heart would jump start, also a little bit of palps going on, took pulse 75 Seems O.K, > decided to get up doesn't feel so bad upright, took BP/pulse was really no different to what it has been 138/74 p 75. > Before Meds my pulse was mid to high 60's > > Would you say that my body was just crying out for more already? > Or what? > > Doc wants me to raise by another 10mcg at 5 days, > > Thanks Sandy from Oz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Hi Val, My cortisol tests done back in November, showed Low in Am, O.K noon, High Afternoon, and Highish at night, I have been taking Adrenal Support Vitamins and herbals since then,no HC or Isocort, Ferritin tested High at 175 [30 -150] on 2nd Feb. Do you think it could be from only dosing at 6am & 11am, then nothing for the rest of the day, I feel like I should be splitting the dose more as Nick suggest's on the info pages. And would you suggest a night time dose as well? As I have 10mcg Compounded Capsules, are they able to be broken open and divided up? I will phone the doc today to let her know what's happening, I did email her the link to the Info pages so I hope she has had a look at them. Thanks Sandy from Oz > > Sounds pretty hypo to me, but have you had adrenals tested? Ferritin? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I would try raising the dose. If symtpoms woprse you simply drop it back again and in 24 hours you are back where oyu were. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 By raising the dose do you mean taking it more times during the day, or raising the amount but keeping to the same times, 6 & 11, just that it seems a long gap between my 11am dose until next morning? How would you dose? times/amounts? 10mcg capsule After my 6am dose this morning I now feel a bit better, so that must say something! but I am worried about what's going to happen this afternoon when my 11am dose starts wearing off, have to go out tonight and I don't want to feel like I did last night :-( Back to where I was in 24 hrs is just going to put me back into the state I was in last night, and that's not how I want to feel. Thanks Sandy from Oz > > I would try raising the dose. If symtpoms woprse you simply drop it back > again and in 24 hours you are back where oyu were. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I would add in another dose at bedtime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Thanks Val, I will try that, but it was about 2.30pm when I started to feel bad, wouldn't I need a dose then? I know I shouldn't take too much to start, but do feel like I need to spread it out more, that's why I asked if I could open the capsules and perhaps take 1/2 at a time more frequently, do you think that's wise? I am waiting on a call back from the doc's office Sorry I don't want to keep annoying you but I do need to know that I'm getting this right. Thanks again Sandy > > I would add in another dose at bedtime. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 When folks are very hypothyroid T3 does nto last long it is quickly used up so more frequent dosing may be needed due to that. But takign it around 2PM may leave you too stimulated at bedtime and interfere with sleep. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Now I'm really confused, that just doesn't make sense to me, so I am going to have a pounding heart from 2pm onwards until I take a dose a bedtime, then probably I can see myself waking up in the middle of the night with a pounding heart again, cause it's not going to last another 6 or so hours. Now I just had a call from the doc's office saying I should cut out my 11am dose altogether. Didn't get to speak with the doc but I passed on my concerns about doing that and asked if she wouldn't mind reading the info pages I sent re: dosing. So I just don't know what to do now and what to make of all this. It's 1 hour before I'm due to take my next dose and I don't know if I should take it or go with what the doc said. By the way the T3 has not made me feel stimulated at all, in fact I don't feel any improvement, just worse with the heart pounding. This is what I used to get more frequently years ago when I had more anxiety and I still get now sometimes when I'm anxious about something. I do think it's more of an adrenaline thing, as I had a bad heart pounding session in the night a couple of weeks ago, B4 even starting this medication, due I think to a couple of things coming up a few days later. Maybe this is happening now because I'm anxious with this medication? I dunno Sandy > > When folks are very hypothyroid T3 does nto last long it is quickly used > up so more frequent dosing may be needed due to that. But takign it > around 2PM may leave you too stimulated at bedtime and interfere with > sleep. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Sandy - I have been having VERY similar experiences. I seem to do better after having adding doses during the day, but then those start to wear off very quickly. I think I am pretty darn hypothyroid and am really on so little - 5, 5, 5, and 5. I feel like this isn't even enough and want to add a 5th dose before upping the 5s to 10s and not necessarily wait 3-5 days in between those ups due to getting hypothyroid symptoms. I only started on Friday. You're also using compounded T3 that includes cellulose, right? > > > > When folks are very hypothyroid T3 does nto last long it is quickly used > > up so more frequent dosing may be needed due to that. But takign it > > around 2PM may leave you too stimulated at bedtime and interfere with > > sleep. > > > > -- > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 > I feel like this isn't even enough and want to add a 5th dose before upping the 5s to 10s and not necessarily wait 3-5 days in between those ups due to getting hypothyroid symptoms. I only started on Friday. You're also using compounded T3 that includes cellulose, right? What were you on before T3 and how much? If you are very hypo but temperatures are stable you can go up faster but I would not go up any faser than every other day. It takes 3 days for T3 levels to stabilise on a given dose. After 4 or 5 days at a given dose your own thyroid output will have reduced further and you are ready for the next step up the ladder. You will spend weeks increasing dose at 3 to 7 day intervals increasing T3 as T4 reduces Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 This really helps, Nick, thanks. I get very confused sometimes over whether I'm experiencing hypo symptoms or reactions from the T3. It feels as if my body is more hypo sometimes and I feel worse. But then I tell myself it is likely as the T3 is wearing off, after all it is such a small dose. Could feeling worse at times be normal? I'm getting ferritin and B12 tested today and am going to ask the doc to switch my T3 prescription to a pharmacy that compounds with acidophilus instead of cellulose. Nick - would you anticipate this would affect my absorption of T3 (make it better) and therefore I may need to slow down/backtrack? > > > I feel like this isn't even enough and want to add a 5th dose before upping the 5s to 10s and not necessarily wait 3-5 days in between those ups due to getting hypothyroid symptoms. I only started on Friday. You're also using compounded T3 that includes cellulose, right? > > What were you on before T3 and how much? > > If you are very hypo but temperatures are stable you can go up faster > but I would not go up any faser than every other day. It takes 3 days > for T3 levels to stabilise on a given dose. > > After 4 or 5 days at a given dose your own thyroid output will have > reduced further and you are ready for the next step up the ladder. > > You will spend weeks increasing dose at 3 to 7 day intervals > increasing T3 as T4 reduces > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 >I'm getting ferritin and B12 tested today and am going to ask the doc to switch my T3 prescription to a pharmacy that compounds with acidophilus instead of cellulose. Nick - would you anticipate this would affect my absorption of T3 (make it better) and therefore I may need to slow down/backtrack? Sorry, I don't know. It's always safest to lower dose a little (even if it's only one or two of your doses in the day) and build up again though Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Oh, and I was on Levothyroid before, 100mcg, but I had weaned myself down to 37.5 mcg and was completely off of even that 2 months prior to starting T3 (I know, not good). > > > > > I feel like this isn't even enough and want to add a 5th dose before upping the 5s to 10s and not necessarily wait 3-5 days in between those ups due to getting hypothyroid symptoms. I only started on Friday. You're also using compounded T3 that includes cellulose, right? > > > > What were you on before T3 and how much? > > > > If you are very hypo but temperatures are stable you can go up faster > > but I would not go up any faser than every other day. It takes 3 days > > for T3 levels to stabilise on a given dose. > > > > After 4 or 5 days at a given dose your own thyroid output will have > > reduced further and you are ready for the next step up the ladder. > > > > You will spend weeks increasing dose at 3 to 7 day intervals > > increasing T3 as T4 reduces > > > > Nick > > > > -- > > > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 > > > > When folks are very hypothyroid T3 does nto last long it is quickly used > > up so more frequent dosing may be needed due to that. But takign it > > around 2PM may leave you too stimulated at bedtime and interfere with > > sleep. > > > > -- > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > > > Val, For the moment I have stopped the medication until I can sort out the dosing with the doc, I will have to ring again today . I Cut out the 11am dose yesterday as the doc advised but the pounding still was there for some time, then faded to just jittery feelings with a few pounds here and there, but by evening had left me with an aching in the chest, like my heart had been doing push ups!! I had some bad news yesterday also which didn't help matters,and had yet another bad nights sleep, so I have not taken any meds today until I can speak to the doc more about the adrenal problem which is obviously causing my intolerance to the T3. Thanks Sandy from Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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