Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 First you have to keep in mind that low TSH does not always mean hyper.... low TSH plus high Free T4 and especially with high Free T3 and with symptoms showing.. then you consider hyper..... Armour, and the other naturals, contain 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 per grain. T3 is four times the biological potency of T4 so you multiply the 9 by 4 to get 36 Add 38 plus 36 and you get 74. 1 grain of Armour is equal to 74 mcg of Armour. Some consider, when switching, to consider 1 grain of Armour to be counted as 100 mcg of T4... so as not to shock the body with the direct T3... some people are very reactive to it, others are not. But until you know which one you are you should air on the side of cautious and start on the lower side. My guestimate for you.... start with 3/4 of a grain of Armour and pay attention during the first few days as to how you are reacting to the T3...If you get anxious, if your heart rate scoots up a ways (like an extra 10 beats a minute or more) and doesn't come back down in a few hours.. the T3 may be too much for you.... Considering how your conversion looks right now.. you may not need the T3.... Some folks also seem to be able to process natural T4 better than the synthetic... it might be, too.. that you'd need less (in equivalency) with Armour than you do with the synthetic T4..... I think your idea of holding off a bit on the switch and seeing if adding the Adrenal starts relieving the symptoms, without changing the thyroid, is a good one.. Keep up with your charts... you should be able to spot things there.... Topper () On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:26:34 -0500 writes: Hi, I just got back from the doctor, here are my labs (from yesterday, plus the other two that were done for comparison): December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) October 27, 2005 - First checkup, increased to Synthroid 100mcg because still very tired and no energy TSH 3.08 (0.34-4.82) September 9, 2005 - DIagnosis, began Synthroid 75mcg FT4 0.58 (0.64-1.46) TSH 22.16 (0.34-4.82) So, what I need to know is, is my TSH too low now? I don't necessarily feel "hyper" or anything, no tachycardia, no diarrhea, none of the symptoms of it (unless you count insomnia, but I had that problem a LONG time before finding out about the hypothyroidism). We were going to switch me to 88mcg Synthroid, but then the doctor saw that the insurance carries Armour now, and she wanted to try it on me (even though I'm apparently converting just fine) just to see if it would help resolve some of my symptoms that aren't going away (still not losing weight, hair been falling out since starting Synthroid, skin still very dry, brain fog, concentration issues, some remaining fatigue but not nearly as bad, inability to fall asleep at night and/or waking at 4am, then being too tired to get up until 10am the next day, some constipation). She left the final decision up to me, but I decided why not go for it since I have the opportunity and still need to feel better. We decided to try the Armour, with the agreement that if it doesn't work we'll switch me back to Synthroid at 88mcg. She put me on Armour 1 Grain, but I think she made a mistake. I think she was reading that it said 1 Grain was 60mg (thinking it was a 1 to 1 equivalency between Armour and Synthroid) and said to take one and one half of the 60mg (1 Grain) Armour a day (60 + 1/2 of 60 = 90 total, very close to our previously agreed on 88). I just got home and looked it up, and I see now that is, in fact, exactly what she did. However, that's not right. It's not a 1 to 1 conversion, the dose chart conversion on the web site shows it: I need to be on an 88mcg equivalent dose, there isn't one, but the 1 Grain she put me on by itself would be 100mcg equivalent, and so 1.5 grains would be 150mcg equivalent, wayyyy to much given my current labs. So obviously, I'm not going to be taking 1.5 pills a day, it will be at most one pill. I could take 3/4 of one but that would put me back down at 75mcg, and at that dose, I didn't feel good (though I realize that was Synthroid and this is Armour, so it might work at that level with Armour). There really isn't an exact 88mcg equivalent of Armour. Any ideas, suggestions? I thought about, since I do feel good at the 100mcg Synthroid dose level, even though my TSH is really low but I have heard and read that once on replacement, that TSH doesn't really mean much and to go by the Free's and symptoms, I could just take a total of ONE of the Armour pills a day (whether it's all at once or in pieces), which would be the equivalent of the 100mcg Synthroid, and that's the best I've come up with so far to do. Actually, I almost fear that since I'm converting well, that the Armour might be too strong (too much T3) for me. Also, after looking over my remaining symptoms...those all fit nicely into the category of adrenal fatigue instead of hypothyroidism. I ordered the bovine NutriMeds Adrenal Glandular for my husband. I have plenty of my 75mcg Synthroid left right now from my original prescription. I could take 1 and 1/4 of the 75mcg Synthroid for a few weeks, which would put me at 93.75mcg, and try the adrenal glandular for a while like that before trying to switch to Armour. Then if that worked, I'd just let the doc know what I did and have her prescribe me the 88mcg Synthroid and take it with the adrenal glandular. She told met take Vitamin B Complex along with Magnesium-Calcium-Zinc at bedtime to help me sleep, she said that combo worked nicely for most of her patients, and herself, when they couldn't sleep, as a more natural alternative to taking sleeping pills. She also said the Magnesium acted as a laxative, and would help with the remaining constipation. She also told me to take less of my GNC Women's Ultra Mega vitamins, instead of the daily 2-pill dose, knock it down to 1 or a half, because she said those make most people actually gain water weight and have mood issues with some of the herbal ingredients in them. Therefore...I guess I'll take my decreased dose of Vitamin and regular dose of Iron with dinner, my night time stuff an hour before bedtime (around 9pm, go to bed usually around 10), and my thyroid meds in the morning...which will either be a combo of Synthroid + Adrenal, or Armour by itself. After writing this, I think I'll try the Synthroid at 93.75mg plus the 1/4 tablet of Adrenal first, since I'm already on Synthroid, just to try it since I already have the adrenal stuff (she wouldn't test my adrenals first, she wanted to try the Armour first, but I just have one of those "feelings" about this and I'm going to do it my way since I have enough pills to play around with). I'll have to see how many of the 75mcg pills I have left first, that will be the limiting factor on this test, but how long does it take to feel results from adrenal? Anyone who has tried it...please let me know how long it took you til you noticed a difference (probably different for everyone I realize, just curious). What do you all think? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 First you have to keep in mind that low TSH does not always mean hyper.... low TSH plus high Free T4 and especially with high Free T3 and with symptoms showing.. then you consider hyper..... Armour, and the other naturals, contain 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 per grain. T3 is four times the biological potency of T4 so you multiply the 9 by 4 to get 36 Add 38 plus 36 and you get 74. 1 grain of Armour is equal to 74 mcg of Armour. Some consider, when switching, to consider 1 grain of Armour to be counted as 100 mcg of T4... so as not to shock the body with the direct T3... some people are very reactive to it, others are not. But until you know which one you are you should air on the side of cautious and start on the lower side. My guestimate for you.... start with 3/4 of a grain of Armour and pay attention during the first few days as to how you are reacting to the T3...If you get anxious, if your heart rate scoots up a ways (like an extra 10 beats a minute or more) and doesn't come back down in a few hours.. the T3 may be too much for you.... Considering how your conversion looks right now.. you may not need the T3.... Some folks also seem to be able to process natural T4 better than the synthetic... it might be, too.. that you'd need less (in equivalency) with Armour than you do with the synthetic T4..... I think your idea of holding off a bit on the switch and seeing if adding the Adrenal starts relieving the symptoms, without changing the thyroid, is a good one.. Keep up with your charts... you should be able to spot things there.... Topper () On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:26:34 -0500 writes: Hi, I just got back from the doctor, here are my labs (from yesterday, plus the other two that were done for comparison): December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) October 27, 2005 - First checkup, increased to Synthroid 100mcg because still very tired and no energy TSH 3.08 (0.34-4.82) September 9, 2005 - DIagnosis, began Synthroid 75mcg FT4 0.58 (0.64-1.46) TSH 22.16 (0.34-4.82) So, what I need to know is, is my TSH too low now? I don't necessarily feel "hyper" or anything, no tachycardia, no diarrhea, none of the symptoms of it (unless you count insomnia, but I had that problem a LONG time before finding out about the hypothyroidism). We were going to switch me to 88mcg Synthroid, but then the doctor saw that the insurance carries Armour now, and she wanted to try it on me (even though I'm apparently converting just fine) just to see if it would help resolve some of my symptoms that aren't going away (still not losing weight, hair been falling out since starting Synthroid, skin still very dry, brain fog, concentration issues, some remaining fatigue but not nearly as bad, inability to fall asleep at night and/or waking at 4am, then being too tired to get up until 10am the next day, some constipation). She left the final decision up to me, but I decided why not go for it since I have the opportunity and still need to feel better. We decided to try the Armour, with the agreement that if it doesn't work we'll switch me back to Synthroid at 88mcg. She put me on Armour 1 Grain, but I think she made a mistake. I think she was reading that it said 1 Grain was 60mg (thinking it was a 1 to 1 equivalency between Armour and Synthroid) and said to take one and one half of the 60mg (1 Grain) Armour a day (60 + 1/2 of 60 = 90 total, very close to our previously agreed on 88). I just got home and looked it up, and I see now that is, in fact, exactly what she did. However, that's not right. It's not a 1 to 1 conversion, the dose chart conversion on the web site shows it: I need to be on an 88mcg equivalent dose, there isn't one, but the 1 Grain she put me on by itself would be 100mcg equivalent, and so 1.5 grains would be 150mcg equivalent, wayyyy to much given my current labs. So obviously, I'm not going to be taking 1.5 pills a day, it will be at most one pill. I could take 3/4 of one but that would put me back down at 75mcg, and at that dose, I didn't feel good (though I realize that was Synthroid and this is Armour, so it might work at that level with Armour). There really isn't an exact 88mcg equivalent of Armour. Any ideas, suggestions? I thought about, since I do feel good at the 100mcg Synthroid dose level, even though my TSH is really low but I have heard and read that once on replacement, that TSH doesn't really mean much and to go by the Free's and symptoms, I could just take a total of ONE of the Armour pills a day (whether it's all at once or in pieces), which would be the equivalent of the 100mcg Synthroid, and that's the best I've come up with so far to do. Actually, I almost fear that since I'm converting well, that the Armour might be too strong (too much T3) for me. Also, after looking over my remaining symptoms...those all fit nicely into the category of adrenal fatigue instead of hypothyroidism. I ordered the bovine NutriMeds Adrenal Glandular for my husband. I have plenty of my 75mcg Synthroid left right now from my original prescription. I could take 1 and 1/4 of the 75mcg Synthroid for a few weeks, which would put me at 93.75mcg, and try the adrenal glandular for a while like that before trying to switch to Armour. Then if that worked, I'd just let the doc know what I did and have her prescribe me the 88mcg Synthroid and take it with the adrenal glandular. She told met take Vitamin B Complex along with Magnesium-Calcium-Zinc at bedtime to help me sleep, she said that combo worked nicely for most of her patients, and herself, when they couldn't sleep, as a more natural alternative to taking sleeping pills. She also said the Magnesium acted as a laxative, and would help with the remaining constipation. She also told me to take less of my GNC Women's Ultra Mega vitamins, instead of the daily 2-pill dose, knock it down to 1 or a half, because she said those make most people actually gain water weight and have mood issues with some of the herbal ingredients in them. Therefore...I guess I'll take my decreased dose of Vitamin and regular dose of Iron with dinner, my night time stuff an hour before bedtime (around 9pm, go to bed usually around 10), and my thyroid meds in the morning...which will either be a combo of Synthroid + Adrenal, or Armour by itself. After writing this, I think I'll try the Synthroid at 93.75mg plus the 1/4 tablet of Adrenal first, since I'm already on Synthroid, just to try it since I already have the adrenal stuff (she wouldn't test my adrenals first, she wanted to try the Armour first, but I just have one of those "feelings" about this and I'm going to do it my way since I have enough pills to play around with). I'll have to see how many of the 75mcg pills I have left first, that will be the limiting factor on this test, but how long does it take to feel results from adrenal? Anyone who has tried it...please let me know how long it took you til you noticed a difference (probably different for everyone I realize, just curious). What do you all think? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 First you have to keep in mind that low TSH does not always mean hyper.... low TSH plus high Free T4 and especially with high Free T3 and with symptoms showing.. then you consider hyper..... Armour, and the other naturals, contain 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 per grain. T3 is four times the biological potency of T4 so you multiply the 9 by 4 to get 36 Add 38 plus 36 and you get 74. 1 grain of Armour is equal to 74 mcg of Armour. Some consider, when switching, to consider 1 grain of Armour to be counted as 100 mcg of T4... so as not to shock the body with the direct T3... some people are very reactive to it, others are not. But until you know which one you are you should air on the side of cautious and start on the lower side. My guestimate for you.... start with 3/4 of a grain of Armour and pay attention during the first few days as to how you are reacting to the T3...If you get anxious, if your heart rate scoots up a ways (like an extra 10 beats a minute or more) and doesn't come back down in a few hours.. the T3 may be too much for you.... Considering how your conversion looks right now.. you may not need the T3.... Some folks also seem to be able to process natural T4 better than the synthetic... it might be, too.. that you'd need less (in equivalency) with Armour than you do with the synthetic T4..... I think your idea of holding off a bit on the switch and seeing if adding the Adrenal starts relieving the symptoms, without changing the thyroid, is a good one.. Keep up with your charts... you should be able to spot things there.... Topper () On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:26:34 -0500 writes: Hi, I just got back from the doctor, here are my labs (from yesterday, plus the other two that were done for comparison): December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) October 27, 2005 - First checkup, increased to Synthroid 100mcg because still very tired and no energy TSH 3.08 (0.34-4.82) September 9, 2005 - DIagnosis, began Synthroid 75mcg FT4 0.58 (0.64-1.46) TSH 22.16 (0.34-4.82) So, what I need to know is, is my TSH too low now? I don't necessarily feel "hyper" or anything, no tachycardia, no diarrhea, none of the symptoms of it (unless you count insomnia, but I had that problem a LONG time before finding out about the hypothyroidism). We were going to switch me to 88mcg Synthroid, but then the doctor saw that the insurance carries Armour now, and she wanted to try it on me (even though I'm apparently converting just fine) just to see if it would help resolve some of my symptoms that aren't going away (still not losing weight, hair been falling out since starting Synthroid, skin still very dry, brain fog, concentration issues, some remaining fatigue but not nearly as bad, inability to fall asleep at night and/or waking at 4am, then being too tired to get up until 10am the next day, some constipation). She left the final decision up to me, but I decided why not go for it since I have the opportunity and still need to feel better. We decided to try the Armour, with the agreement that if it doesn't work we'll switch me back to Synthroid at 88mcg. She put me on Armour 1 Grain, but I think she made a mistake. I think she was reading that it said 1 Grain was 60mg (thinking it was a 1 to 1 equivalency between Armour and Synthroid) and said to take one and one half of the 60mg (1 Grain) Armour a day (60 + 1/2 of 60 = 90 total, very close to our previously agreed on 88). I just got home and looked it up, and I see now that is, in fact, exactly what she did. However, that's not right. It's not a 1 to 1 conversion, the dose chart conversion on the web site shows it: I need to be on an 88mcg equivalent dose, there isn't one, but the 1 Grain she put me on by itself would be 100mcg equivalent, and so 1.5 grains would be 150mcg equivalent, wayyyy to much given my current labs. So obviously, I'm not going to be taking 1.5 pills a day, it will be at most one pill. I could take 3/4 of one but that would put me back down at 75mcg, and at that dose, I didn't feel good (though I realize that was Synthroid and this is Armour, so it might work at that level with Armour). There really isn't an exact 88mcg equivalent of Armour. Any ideas, suggestions? I thought about, since I do feel good at the 100mcg Synthroid dose level, even though my TSH is really low but I have heard and read that once on replacement, that TSH doesn't really mean much and to go by the Free's and symptoms, I could just take a total of ONE of the Armour pills a day (whether it's all at once or in pieces), which would be the equivalent of the 100mcg Synthroid, and that's the best I've come up with so far to do. Actually, I almost fear that since I'm converting well, that the Armour might be too strong (too much T3) for me. Also, after looking over my remaining symptoms...those all fit nicely into the category of adrenal fatigue instead of hypothyroidism. I ordered the bovine NutriMeds Adrenal Glandular for my husband. I have plenty of my 75mcg Synthroid left right now from my original prescription. I could take 1 and 1/4 of the 75mcg Synthroid for a few weeks, which would put me at 93.75mcg, and try the adrenal glandular for a while like that before trying to switch to Armour. Then if that worked, I'd just let the doc know what I did and have her prescribe me the 88mcg Synthroid and take it with the adrenal glandular. She told met take Vitamin B Complex along with Magnesium-Calcium-Zinc at bedtime to help me sleep, she said that combo worked nicely for most of her patients, and herself, when they couldn't sleep, as a more natural alternative to taking sleeping pills. She also said the Magnesium acted as a laxative, and would help with the remaining constipation. She also told me to take less of my GNC Women's Ultra Mega vitamins, instead of the daily 2-pill dose, knock it down to 1 or a half, because she said those make most people actually gain water weight and have mood issues with some of the herbal ingredients in them. Therefore...I guess I'll take my decreased dose of Vitamin and regular dose of Iron with dinner, my night time stuff an hour before bedtime (around 9pm, go to bed usually around 10), and my thyroid meds in the morning...which will either be a combo of Synthroid + Adrenal, or Armour by itself. After writing this, I think I'll try the Synthroid at 93.75mg plus the 1/4 tablet of Adrenal first, since I'm already on Synthroid, just to try it since I already have the adrenal stuff (she wouldn't test my adrenals first, she wanted to try the Armour first, but I just have one of those "feelings" about this and I'm going to do it my way since I have enough pills to play around with). I'll have to see how many of the 75mcg pills I have left first, that will be the limiting factor on this test, but how long does it take to feel results from adrenal? Anyone who has tried it...please let me know how long it took you til you noticed a difference (probably different for everyone I realize, just curious). What do you all think? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Thanks I forgot about the T3 being 4x the potency. When I try the Armour, I'll pay attention to my heart rate and such...goodness knows with my blood pressure problems I don't need more stress on my heart. However, after starting Synthroid, my BP is slowly decreasing. It used to be 120/80, then a few years ago it jumped to 145/92 roughly and pretty much stayed there, until I took some HotRox trying to lose weight. I noticed that it made my BP drop to 110/70. That was the same appointment when I was diagnosed hypo. After going off the HotRox, my BP went back up to 145/90, and now it's around 130/85, so that's looking better. It was 126/82 twice, so that's even more in the right direction. My pulse and respirations haven't changed, they're still higher pulse (80 typically) and lower respiration (around 14, but slowly rising, think it was 16 today). I wonder...my muscles have been achey the last 3 days, sort of like when you have a flu shot or whatever, you know, not bad, just enough to be mildly uncomfortable. I wonder if this is my muscles getting better, or if it's because my dose was too high? I haven't done anything to make them sore, not really. I've been a little more active, but watching it because I don't want to over do it. I bet I sleep tonight...I was up at 4am with a nasty migraine and had to be up and going by 8 to get to the doctor's, and then had to go get some groceries after that, and so never had time to get a nap in. First you have to keep in mind that low TSH does not always mean hyper.... low TSH plus high Free T4 and especially with high Free T3 and with symptoms showing.. then you consider hyper..... Armour, and the other naturals, contain 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 per grain. T3 is four times the biological potency of T4 so you multiply the 9 by 4 to get 36 Add 38 plus 36 and you get 74. 1 grain of Armour is equal to 74 mcg of Armour. Some consider, when switching, to consider 1 grain of Armour to be counted as 100 mcg of T4... so as not to shock the body with the direct T3... some people are very reactive to it, others are not. But until you know which one you are you should air on the side of cautious and start on the lower side. My guestimate for you.... start with 3/4 of a grain of Armour and pay attention during the first few days as to how you are reacting to the T3...If you get anxious, if your heart rate scoots up a ways (like an extra 10 beats a minute or more) and doesn't come back down in a few hours.. the T3 may be too much for you.... Considering how your conversion looks right now.. you may not need the T3.... Some folks also seem to be able to process natural T4 better than the synthetic... it might be, too.. that you'd need less (in equivalency) with Armour than you do with the synthetic T4..... I think your idea of holding off a bit on the switch and seeing if adding the Adrenal starts relieving the symptoms, without changing the thyroid, is a good one.. Keep up with your charts... you should be able to spot things there.... Topper () On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:26:34 -0500 writes: Hi, I just got back from the doctor, here are my labs (from yesterday, plus the other two that were done for comparison): December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) October 27, 2005 - First checkup, increased to Synthroid 100mcg because still very tired and no energy TSH 3.08 (0.34-4.82) September 9, 2005 - DIagnosis, began Synthroid 75mcg FT4 0.58 (0.64-1.46) TSH 22.16 (0.34-4.82) So, what I need to know is, is my TSH too low now? I don't necessarily feel " hyper " or anything, no tachycardia, no diarrhea, none of the symptoms of it (unless you count insomnia, but I had that problem a LONG time before finding out about the hypothyroidism). We were going to switch me to 88mcg Synthroid, but then the doctor saw that the insurance carries Armour now, and she wanted to try it on me (even though I'm apparently converting just fine) just to see if it would help resolve some of my symptoms that aren't going away (still not losing weight, hair been falling out since starting Synthroid, skin still very dry, brain fog, concentration issues, some remaining fatigue but not nearly as bad, inability to fall asleep at night and/or waking at 4am, then being too tired to get up until 10am the next day, some constipation). She left the final decision up to me, but I decided why not go for it since I have the opportunity and still need to feel better. We decided to try the Armour, with the agreement that if it doesn't work we'll switch me back to Synthroid at 88mcg. She put me on Armour 1 Grain, but I think she made a mistake. I think she was reading that it said 1 Grain was 60mg (thinking it was a 1 to 1 equivalency between Armour and Synthroid) and said to take one and one half of the 60mg (1 Grain) Armour a day (60 + 1/2 of 60 = 90 total, very close to our previously agreed on 88). I just got home and looked it up, and I see now that is, in fact, exactly what she did. However, that's not right. It's not a 1 to 1 conversion, the dose chart conversion on the web site shows it: I need to be on an 88mcg equivalent dose, there isn't one, but the 1 Grain she put me on by itself would be 100mcg equivalent, and so 1.5 grains would be 150mcg equivalent, wayyyy to much given my current labs. So obviously, I'm not going to be taking 1.5 pills a day, it will be at most one pill. I could take 3/4 of one but that would put me back down at 75mcg, and at that dose, I didn't feel good (though I realize that was Synthroid and this is Armour, so it might work at that level with Armour). There really isn't an exact 88mcg equivalent of Armour. Any ideas, suggestions? I thought about, since I do feel good at the 100mcg Synthroid dose level, even though my TSH is really low but I have heard and read that once on replacement, that TSH doesn't really mean much and to go by the Free's and symptoms, I could just take a total of ONE of the Armour pills a day (whether it's all at once or in pieces), which would be the equivalent of the 100mcg Synthroid, and that's the best I've come up with so far to do. Actually, I almost fear that since I'm converting well, that the Armour might be too strong (too much T3) for me. Also, after looking over my remaining symptoms...those all fit nicely into the category of adrenal fatigue instead of hypothyroidism. I ordered the bovine NutriMeds Adrenal Glandular for my husband. I have plenty of my 75mcg Synthroid left right now from my original prescription. I could take 1 and 1/4 of the 75mcg Synthroid for a few weeks, which would put me at 93.75mcg, and try the adrenal glandular for a while like that before trying to switch to Armour. Then if that worked, I'd just let the doc know what I did and have her prescribe me the 88mcg Synthroid and take it with the adrenal glandular. She told met take Vitamin B Complex along with Magnesium-Calcium-Zinc at bedtime to help me sleep, she said that combo worked nicely for most of her patients, and herself, when they couldn't sleep, as a more natural alternative to taking sleeping pills. She also said the Magnesium acted as a laxative, and would help with the remaining constipation. She also told me to take less of my GNC Women's Ultra Mega vitamins, instead of the daily 2-pill dose, knock it down to 1 or a half, because she said those make most people actually gain water weight and have mood issues with some of the herbal ingredients in them. Therefore...I guess I'll take my decreased dose of Vitamin and regular dose of Iron with dinner, my night time stuff an hour before bedtime (around 9pm, go to bed usually around 10), and my thyroid meds in the morning...which will either be a combo of Synthroid + Adrenal, or Armour by itself. After writing this, I think I'll try the Synthroid at 93.75mg plus the 1/4 tablet of Adrenal first, since I'm already on Synthroid, just to try it since I already have the adrenal stuff (she wouldn't test my adrenals first, she wanted to try the Armour first, but I just have one of those " feelings " about this and I'm going to do it my way since I have enough pills to play around with). I'll have to see how many of the 75mcg pills I have left first, that will be the limiting factor on this test, but how long does it take to feel results from adrenal? Anyone who has tried it...please let me know how long it took you til you noticed a difference (probably different for everyone I realize, just curious). What do you all think? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Thanks I forgot about the T3 being 4x the potency. When I try the Armour, I'll pay attention to my heart rate and such...goodness knows with my blood pressure problems I don't need more stress on my heart. However, after starting Synthroid, my BP is slowly decreasing. It used to be 120/80, then a few years ago it jumped to 145/92 roughly and pretty much stayed there, until I took some HotRox trying to lose weight. I noticed that it made my BP drop to 110/70. That was the same appointment when I was diagnosed hypo. After going off the HotRox, my BP went back up to 145/90, and now it's around 130/85, so that's looking better. It was 126/82 twice, so that's even more in the right direction. My pulse and respirations haven't changed, they're still higher pulse (80 typically) and lower respiration (around 14, but slowly rising, think it was 16 today). I wonder...my muscles have been achey the last 3 days, sort of like when you have a flu shot or whatever, you know, not bad, just enough to be mildly uncomfortable. I wonder if this is my muscles getting better, or if it's because my dose was too high? I haven't done anything to make them sore, not really. I've been a little more active, but watching it because I don't want to over do it. I bet I sleep tonight...I was up at 4am with a nasty migraine and had to be up and going by 8 to get to the doctor's, and then had to go get some groceries after that, and so never had time to get a nap in. First you have to keep in mind that low TSH does not always mean hyper.... low TSH plus high Free T4 and especially with high Free T3 and with symptoms showing.. then you consider hyper..... Armour, and the other naturals, contain 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 per grain. T3 is four times the biological potency of T4 so you multiply the 9 by 4 to get 36 Add 38 plus 36 and you get 74. 1 grain of Armour is equal to 74 mcg of Armour. Some consider, when switching, to consider 1 grain of Armour to be counted as 100 mcg of T4... so as not to shock the body with the direct T3... some people are very reactive to it, others are not. But until you know which one you are you should air on the side of cautious and start on the lower side. My guestimate for you.... start with 3/4 of a grain of Armour and pay attention during the first few days as to how you are reacting to the T3...If you get anxious, if your heart rate scoots up a ways (like an extra 10 beats a minute or more) and doesn't come back down in a few hours.. the T3 may be too much for you.... Considering how your conversion looks right now.. you may not need the T3.... Some folks also seem to be able to process natural T4 better than the synthetic... it might be, too.. that you'd need less (in equivalency) with Armour than you do with the synthetic T4..... I think your idea of holding off a bit on the switch and seeing if adding the Adrenal starts relieving the symptoms, without changing the thyroid, is a good one.. Keep up with your charts... you should be able to spot things there.... Topper () On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:26:34 -0500 writes: Hi, I just got back from the doctor, here are my labs (from yesterday, plus the other two that were done for comparison): December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) October 27, 2005 - First checkup, increased to Synthroid 100mcg because still very tired and no energy TSH 3.08 (0.34-4.82) September 9, 2005 - DIagnosis, began Synthroid 75mcg FT4 0.58 (0.64-1.46) TSH 22.16 (0.34-4.82) So, what I need to know is, is my TSH too low now? I don't necessarily feel " hyper " or anything, no tachycardia, no diarrhea, none of the symptoms of it (unless you count insomnia, but I had that problem a LONG time before finding out about the hypothyroidism). We were going to switch me to 88mcg Synthroid, but then the doctor saw that the insurance carries Armour now, and she wanted to try it on me (even though I'm apparently converting just fine) just to see if it would help resolve some of my symptoms that aren't going away (still not losing weight, hair been falling out since starting Synthroid, skin still very dry, brain fog, concentration issues, some remaining fatigue but not nearly as bad, inability to fall asleep at night and/or waking at 4am, then being too tired to get up until 10am the next day, some constipation). She left the final decision up to me, but I decided why not go for it since I have the opportunity and still need to feel better. We decided to try the Armour, with the agreement that if it doesn't work we'll switch me back to Synthroid at 88mcg. She put me on Armour 1 Grain, but I think she made a mistake. I think she was reading that it said 1 Grain was 60mg (thinking it was a 1 to 1 equivalency between Armour and Synthroid) and said to take one and one half of the 60mg (1 Grain) Armour a day (60 + 1/2 of 60 = 90 total, very close to our previously agreed on 88). I just got home and looked it up, and I see now that is, in fact, exactly what she did. However, that's not right. It's not a 1 to 1 conversion, the dose chart conversion on the web site shows it: I need to be on an 88mcg equivalent dose, there isn't one, but the 1 Grain she put me on by itself would be 100mcg equivalent, and so 1.5 grains would be 150mcg equivalent, wayyyy to much given my current labs. So obviously, I'm not going to be taking 1.5 pills a day, it will be at most one pill. I could take 3/4 of one but that would put me back down at 75mcg, and at that dose, I didn't feel good (though I realize that was Synthroid and this is Armour, so it might work at that level with Armour). There really isn't an exact 88mcg equivalent of Armour. Any ideas, suggestions? I thought about, since I do feel good at the 100mcg Synthroid dose level, even though my TSH is really low but I have heard and read that once on replacement, that TSH doesn't really mean much and to go by the Free's and symptoms, I could just take a total of ONE of the Armour pills a day (whether it's all at once or in pieces), which would be the equivalent of the 100mcg Synthroid, and that's the best I've come up with so far to do. Actually, I almost fear that since I'm converting well, that the Armour might be too strong (too much T3) for me. Also, after looking over my remaining symptoms...those all fit nicely into the category of adrenal fatigue instead of hypothyroidism. I ordered the bovine NutriMeds Adrenal Glandular for my husband. I have plenty of my 75mcg Synthroid left right now from my original prescription. I could take 1 and 1/4 of the 75mcg Synthroid for a few weeks, which would put me at 93.75mcg, and try the adrenal glandular for a while like that before trying to switch to Armour. Then if that worked, I'd just let the doc know what I did and have her prescribe me the 88mcg Synthroid and take it with the adrenal glandular. She told met take Vitamin B Complex along with Magnesium-Calcium-Zinc at bedtime to help me sleep, she said that combo worked nicely for most of her patients, and herself, when they couldn't sleep, as a more natural alternative to taking sleeping pills. She also said the Magnesium acted as a laxative, and would help with the remaining constipation. She also told me to take less of my GNC Women's Ultra Mega vitamins, instead of the daily 2-pill dose, knock it down to 1 or a half, because she said those make most people actually gain water weight and have mood issues with some of the herbal ingredients in them. Therefore...I guess I'll take my decreased dose of Vitamin and regular dose of Iron with dinner, my night time stuff an hour before bedtime (around 9pm, go to bed usually around 10), and my thyroid meds in the morning...which will either be a combo of Synthroid + Adrenal, or Armour by itself. After writing this, I think I'll try the Synthroid at 93.75mg plus the 1/4 tablet of Adrenal first, since I'm already on Synthroid, just to try it since I already have the adrenal stuff (she wouldn't test my adrenals first, she wanted to try the Armour first, but I just have one of those " feelings " about this and I'm going to do it my way since I have enough pills to play around with). I'll have to see how many of the 75mcg pills I have left first, that will be the limiting factor on this test, but how long does it take to feel results from adrenal? Anyone who has tried it...please let me know how long it took you til you noticed a difference (probably different for everyone I realize, just curious). What do you all think? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Thanks I forgot about the T3 being 4x the potency. When I try the Armour, I'll pay attention to my heart rate and such...goodness knows with my blood pressure problems I don't need more stress on my heart. However, after starting Synthroid, my BP is slowly decreasing. It used to be 120/80, then a few years ago it jumped to 145/92 roughly and pretty much stayed there, until I took some HotRox trying to lose weight. I noticed that it made my BP drop to 110/70. That was the same appointment when I was diagnosed hypo. After going off the HotRox, my BP went back up to 145/90, and now it's around 130/85, so that's looking better. It was 126/82 twice, so that's even more in the right direction. My pulse and respirations haven't changed, they're still higher pulse (80 typically) and lower respiration (around 14, but slowly rising, think it was 16 today). I wonder...my muscles have been achey the last 3 days, sort of like when you have a flu shot or whatever, you know, not bad, just enough to be mildly uncomfortable. I wonder if this is my muscles getting better, or if it's because my dose was too high? I haven't done anything to make them sore, not really. I've been a little more active, but watching it because I don't want to over do it. I bet I sleep tonight...I was up at 4am with a nasty migraine and had to be up and going by 8 to get to the doctor's, and then had to go get some groceries after that, and so never had time to get a nap in. First you have to keep in mind that low TSH does not always mean hyper.... low TSH plus high Free T4 and especially with high Free T3 and with symptoms showing.. then you consider hyper..... Armour, and the other naturals, contain 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 per grain. T3 is four times the biological potency of T4 so you multiply the 9 by 4 to get 36 Add 38 plus 36 and you get 74. 1 grain of Armour is equal to 74 mcg of Armour. Some consider, when switching, to consider 1 grain of Armour to be counted as 100 mcg of T4... so as not to shock the body with the direct T3... some people are very reactive to it, others are not. But until you know which one you are you should air on the side of cautious and start on the lower side. My guestimate for you.... start with 3/4 of a grain of Armour and pay attention during the first few days as to how you are reacting to the T3...If you get anxious, if your heart rate scoots up a ways (like an extra 10 beats a minute or more) and doesn't come back down in a few hours.. the T3 may be too much for you.... Considering how your conversion looks right now.. you may not need the T3.... Some folks also seem to be able to process natural T4 better than the synthetic... it might be, too.. that you'd need less (in equivalency) with Armour than you do with the synthetic T4..... I think your idea of holding off a bit on the switch and seeing if adding the Adrenal starts relieving the symptoms, without changing the thyroid, is a good one.. Keep up with your charts... you should be able to spot things there.... Topper () On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:26:34 -0500 writes: Hi, I just got back from the doctor, here are my labs (from yesterday, plus the other two that were done for comparison): December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) October 27, 2005 - First checkup, increased to Synthroid 100mcg because still very tired and no energy TSH 3.08 (0.34-4.82) September 9, 2005 - DIagnosis, began Synthroid 75mcg FT4 0.58 (0.64-1.46) TSH 22.16 (0.34-4.82) So, what I need to know is, is my TSH too low now? I don't necessarily feel " hyper " or anything, no tachycardia, no diarrhea, none of the symptoms of it (unless you count insomnia, but I had that problem a LONG time before finding out about the hypothyroidism). We were going to switch me to 88mcg Synthroid, but then the doctor saw that the insurance carries Armour now, and she wanted to try it on me (even though I'm apparently converting just fine) just to see if it would help resolve some of my symptoms that aren't going away (still not losing weight, hair been falling out since starting Synthroid, skin still very dry, brain fog, concentration issues, some remaining fatigue but not nearly as bad, inability to fall asleep at night and/or waking at 4am, then being too tired to get up until 10am the next day, some constipation). She left the final decision up to me, but I decided why not go for it since I have the opportunity and still need to feel better. We decided to try the Armour, with the agreement that if it doesn't work we'll switch me back to Synthroid at 88mcg. She put me on Armour 1 Grain, but I think she made a mistake. I think she was reading that it said 1 Grain was 60mg (thinking it was a 1 to 1 equivalency between Armour and Synthroid) and said to take one and one half of the 60mg (1 Grain) Armour a day (60 + 1/2 of 60 = 90 total, very close to our previously agreed on 88). I just got home and looked it up, and I see now that is, in fact, exactly what she did. However, that's not right. It's not a 1 to 1 conversion, the dose chart conversion on the web site shows it: I need to be on an 88mcg equivalent dose, there isn't one, but the 1 Grain she put me on by itself would be 100mcg equivalent, and so 1.5 grains would be 150mcg equivalent, wayyyy to much given my current labs. So obviously, I'm not going to be taking 1.5 pills a day, it will be at most one pill. I could take 3/4 of one but that would put me back down at 75mcg, and at that dose, I didn't feel good (though I realize that was Synthroid and this is Armour, so it might work at that level with Armour). There really isn't an exact 88mcg equivalent of Armour. Any ideas, suggestions? I thought about, since I do feel good at the 100mcg Synthroid dose level, even though my TSH is really low but I have heard and read that once on replacement, that TSH doesn't really mean much and to go by the Free's and symptoms, I could just take a total of ONE of the Armour pills a day (whether it's all at once or in pieces), which would be the equivalent of the 100mcg Synthroid, and that's the best I've come up with so far to do. Actually, I almost fear that since I'm converting well, that the Armour might be too strong (too much T3) for me. Also, after looking over my remaining symptoms...those all fit nicely into the category of adrenal fatigue instead of hypothyroidism. I ordered the bovine NutriMeds Adrenal Glandular for my husband. I have plenty of my 75mcg Synthroid left right now from my original prescription. I could take 1 and 1/4 of the 75mcg Synthroid for a few weeks, which would put me at 93.75mcg, and try the adrenal glandular for a while like that before trying to switch to Armour. Then if that worked, I'd just let the doc know what I did and have her prescribe me the 88mcg Synthroid and take it with the adrenal glandular. She told met take Vitamin B Complex along with Magnesium-Calcium-Zinc at bedtime to help me sleep, she said that combo worked nicely for most of her patients, and herself, when they couldn't sleep, as a more natural alternative to taking sleeping pills. She also said the Magnesium acted as a laxative, and would help with the remaining constipation. She also told me to take less of my GNC Women's Ultra Mega vitamins, instead of the daily 2-pill dose, knock it down to 1 or a half, because she said those make most people actually gain water weight and have mood issues with some of the herbal ingredients in them. Therefore...I guess I'll take my decreased dose of Vitamin and regular dose of Iron with dinner, my night time stuff an hour before bedtime (around 9pm, go to bed usually around 10), and my thyroid meds in the morning...which will either be a combo of Synthroid + Adrenal, or Armour by itself. After writing this, I think I'll try the Synthroid at 93.75mg plus the 1/4 tablet of Adrenal first, since I'm already on Synthroid, just to try it since I already have the adrenal stuff (she wouldn't test my adrenals first, she wanted to try the Armour first, but I just have one of those " feelings " about this and I'm going to do it my way since I have enough pills to play around with). I'll have to see how many of the 75mcg pills I have left first, that will be the limiting factor on this test, but how long does it take to feel results from adrenal? Anyone who has tried it...please let me know how long it took you til you noticed a difference (probably different for everyone I realize, just curious). What do you all think? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) I am a little confused by these labs and by your doctors suggestion to switch to Armour. Your T3 is bordering on T3 toxicity. Remember the basics..the body sends a signal like a throttle for thyroid levels curently in the body otherwise known as a TSH.. you have a high T3 so the body is not signalling for anymore to be added. As a general rule the thryroid produces T4 , most of it is bound.. it unbinds the T4 as needed to T3..T3 is also bound so the body then converts it to FT3 to be used by the body. If you were on Cytomel or Armour with these labs IMO I would tell you to lower the T3 and add T4 only to rasie your T4 levels..a high T4 gives you more to convert as nature intended. But these labs are on T4 only replacement meds. This is from the Merck manual.. Thyroxine-binding globulin (TBG) is most commonly increased in pregnancy, by estrogen therapy or oral contraceptives, and in the acute phase of infectious hepatitis. TBG may also be increased genetically by an X-linked abnormality. TBG is decreased primarily by anabolic steroids, including testosterone, and by excess amounts of corticosteroids. TBG may also be decreased genetically. Finally, large doses of drugs such as phenytoin and aspirin and their derivatives displace T4 from its binding sites on TBG, thereby falsely lowering the total serum T4 level. A low TBG can be cause for numbers unbalanced..without changing thyroid meds or dose I am thinking you may have better luck increasing your TBG which would increase your T4 and lower your T3 ..this gives you more of a steady dose of available hormones on demand.. Adrenal support maybe one way to do it. I am unfamilair with your meds but if you are taking aspirin, ibprofen or the like or cortisol or cortisone or dilantin for siezures then by switching them to other options may be all you need..estrogen therapy would also help but I would have your testosterone levels checked by the doctor first.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) I am a little confused by these labs and by your doctors suggestion to switch to Armour. Your T3 is bordering on T3 toxicity. Remember the basics..the body sends a signal like a throttle for thyroid levels curently in the body otherwise known as a TSH.. you have a high T3 so the body is not signalling for anymore to be added. As a general rule the thryroid produces T4 , most of it is bound.. it unbinds the T4 as needed to T3..T3 is also bound so the body then converts it to FT3 to be used by the body. If you were on Cytomel or Armour with these labs IMO I would tell you to lower the T3 and add T4 only to rasie your T4 levels..a high T4 gives you more to convert as nature intended. But these labs are on T4 only replacement meds. This is from the Merck manual.. Thyroxine-binding globulin (TBG) is most commonly increased in pregnancy, by estrogen therapy or oral contraceptives, and in the acute phase of infectious hepatitis. TBG may also be increased genetically by an X-linked abnormality. TBG is decreased primarily by anabolic steroids, including testosterone, and by excess amounts of corticosteroids. TBG may also be decreased genetically. Finally, large doses of drugs such as phenytoin and aspirin and their derivatives displace T4 from its binding sites on TBG, thereby falsely lowering the total serum T4 level. A low TBG can be cause for numbers unbalanced..without changing thyroid meds or dose I am thinking you may have better luck increasing your TBG which would increase your T4 and lower your T3 ..this gives you more of a steady dose of available hormones on demand.. Adrenal support maybe one way to do it. I am unfamilair with your meds but if you are taking aspirin, ibprofen or the like or cortisol or cortisone or dilantin for siezures then by switching them to other options may be all you need..estrogen therapy would also help but I would have your testosterone levels checked by the doctor first.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 December 8, 2005 - Energy is much improved, but still symptoms (see more below) FT4 1.09 (0.64-1.46) FT3 4.3 (2.3-4.2) TSH 0.08 (0.34-4.82) I am a little confused by these labs and by your doctors suggestion to switch to Armour. Your T3 is bordering on T3 toxicity. Remember the basics..the body sends a signal like a throttle for thyroid levels curently in the body otherwise known as a TSH.. you have a high T3 so the body is not signalling for anymore to be added. As a general rule the thryroid produces T4 , most of it is bound.. it unbinds the T4 as needed to T3..T3 is also bound so the body then converts it to FT3 to be used by the body. If you were on Cytomel or Armour with these labs IMO I would tell you to lower the T3 and add T4 only to rasie your T4 levels..a high T4 gives you more to convert as nature intended. But these labs are on T4 only replacement meds. This is from the Merck manual.. Thyroxine-binding globulin (TBG) is most commonly increased in pregnancy, by estrogen therapy or oral contraceptives, and in the acute phase of infectious hepatitis. TBG may also be increased genetically by an X-linked abnormality. TBG is decreased primarily by anabolic steroids, including testosterone, and by excess amounts of corticosteroids. TBG may also be decreased genetically. Finally, large doses of drugs such as phenytoin and aspirin and their derivatives displace T4 from its binding sites on TBG, thereby falsely lowering the total serum T4 level. A low TBG can be cause for numbers unbalanced..without changing thyroid meds or dose I am thinking you may have better luck increasing your TBG which would increase your T4 and lower your T3 ..this gives you more of a steady dose of available hormones on demand.. Adrenal support maybe one way to do it. I am unfamilair with your meds but if you are taking aspirin, ibprofen or the like or cortisol or cortisone or dilantin for siezures then by switching them to other options may be all you need..estrogen therapy would also help but I would have your testosterone levels checked by the doctor first.. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 I like the way you put that.. .that your axis is straight... for me it was like a body sigh.... an overwhelming feeling a rightness... which is pretty much what you said, I guess!!!! That everything is in alignment and your body and mind aren't trying to 'translate' the world to make it 'understandable'... When I first started on the natural thyroid it was like that too... that something in me that was a big empty was being filled... a rightness.... I NEVER felt like that on Synthroid. The picture that just popped into my head...... For me, being on Synthroid was like having a HUGE headache and being given a baby aspirin, one baby aspirin, and told that it would go away.... but it never went away. Topper () On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:34:26 -0500 writes: < snip > I will say...I tried the Adrenal this morning, took a quarter of a tablet...and I feel very much as though someone rotated my world's axis to where it should be! It's such an odd feeling. I felt a little dizzy at first, and then all at once had the feeling that I was in one of those old V-8 commercials, remember those? The ones where the guy is walking sideways, then drinks his V-8, and the screen tilts around him so he's walking upright again with the world? I feel like that! I really hope this Adrenal stuff is the key that unlocks my wellness and happiness. If it does, I'll definitely report it to my doctor. < snip > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 I like the way you put that.. .that your axis is straight... for me it was like a body sigh.... an overwhelming feeling a rightness... which is pretty much what you said, I guess!!!! That everything is in alignment and your body and mind aren't trying to 'translate' the world to make it 'understandable'... When I first started on the natural thyroid it was like that too... that something in me that was a big empty was being filled... a rightness.... I NEVER felt like that on Synthroid. The picture that just popped into my head...... For me, being on Synthroid was like having a HUGE headache and being given a baby aspirin, one baby aspirin, and told that it would go away.... but it never went away. Topper () On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:34:26 -0500 writes: < snip > I will say...I tried the Adrenal this morning, took a quarter of a tablet...and I feel very much as though someone rotated my world's axis to where it should be! It's such an odd feeling. I felt a little dizzy at first, and then all at once had the feeling that I was in one of those old V-8 commercials, remember those? The ones where the guy is walking sideways, then drinks his V-8, and the screen tilts around him so he's walking upright again with the world? I feel like that! I really hope this Adrenal stuff is the key that unlocks my wellness and happiness. If it does, I'll definitely report it to my doctor. < snip > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 I like the way you put that.. .that your axis is straight... for me it was like a body sigh.... an overwhelming feeling a rightness... which is pretty much what you said, I guess!!!! That everything is in alignment and your body and mind aren't trying to 'translate' the world to make it 'understandable'... When I first started on the natural thyroid it was like that too... that something in me that was a big empty was being filled... a rightness.... I NEVER felt like that on Synthroid. The picture that just popped into my head...... For me, being on Synthroid was like having a HUGE headache and being given a baby aspirin, one baby aspirin, and told that it would go away.... but it never went away. Topper () On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:34:26 -0500 writes: < snip > I will say...I tried the Adrenal this morning, took a quarter of a tablet...and I feel very much as though someone rotated my world's axis to where it should be! It's such an odd feeling. I felt a little dizzy at first, and then all at once had the feeling that I was in one of those old V-8 commercials, remember those? The ones where the guy is walking sideways, then drinks his V-8, and the screen tilts around him so he's walking upright again with the world? I feel like that! I really hope this Adrenal stuff is the key that unlocks my wellness and happiness. If it does, I'll definitely report it to my doctor. < snip > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 > > I was feeling pretty good through January until the last few days of Jan and > through the first week of February, so I thought I'd have my blood checked > again to see if it was thyroid needed dose adjusted again. Here is my > history, new labs are at the bottom, and there were at least 6 weeks between > labs: > > Lab's ref ranges: > TSH: 0.34 - 4.82 > FT4: 0.64 - 1.46 > FT3: 2.3 - 4.2 > > October 27, 2005: Felt terrible, tired, naps in afternoon > TSH 3.08 (within normal, but doc allowed dose change due to symptoms and had > " room to play with the numbers " ) > Previous dose: Synthroid 75mcg, New Prescription based on labs: 100mcg > > December 9, 2005: Energetic, but fidgety, trouble concentrating, mood > swings, brain fog > TSH 0.08 (low) > FT4 1.09 (normal) > FT3 4.3 (high) > Previous dose: Synthroid 100mcg, New Prescription based on labs and mildly > hyper symptoms: 88mcg > Doc started me on Magnesium and extra Vit B Complex at night to help me > sleep and help with bowel movements (the magnesium is wonderful for both). > Began Adrenal Support on my own, 1/4 tablet first week, then up to 1/2 > tablet thereafter; immediate improvement in cognition, brain fog, energy, > and mood > > CURRENT LABS: > February 9, 2006: Felt great through January, feeling more tired first week > of Feb, but also major stress due to finding out we're moving to Japan for 3 > years and trying to do a Calculus class before we move to complete degree. > Also had some low body temps that week, between 98.0-98.4 mostly between > noon and 4pm, and again between 6-9pm. Felt very cold, freezing, couldn't > get warm until temp came back up above 98.4, mild constipation returning. > That all only lasted one week, except I'm still having episodes of feeling a > little tired and sluggish. Right now, my temp is 98.6, it's 4pm so that's > good, but I felt sluggish all day. > TSH 1.9 > FT4 0.84 > Current dose: Synthroid 88mcg, just began taking a full tablet of Adrenal > support yesterday (Feb 13th) because thought that might perk me up a little, > and also because of extremely dry skin. > > My current labs don't look too bad to me, perhaps my FT4 is on the low side, > but even when my TSH was nearly zero, my FT4 wasn't at the top of the > range. I'm taking daily multivitamins, staying away from iodine (allergic), > taking iron, multi has selenium in it. Haven't changed my diet as far as > eating more soy/cabbage/goitrogens than usual. The only thing that has > changed is the level of stress. Could that alone be causing me to feel > sluggish and tired? Have a doc appointment Thursday so I'll discuss with > her and see what she thinks. > > I'm also on birth control pills, I'm 26. Perhaps the pill is why my FT4 > isn't as high as it could be, I remember reading something about it > affecting your numbers, and I do feel best during my period when I'm not > taking the pills, but there's no option to not take some form of > hormone-induced birth control right now because it controls my migraines. I > just find it odd that I felt so good through January, and now I'm all at > once feeling tired again, unless it's purely stress. > > Any ideas? Thoughts? Maybe I need to bring my TSH down just a tiny bit > still...somewhere between 0.08 and 1.9...like closer to 1. But that would > mean some major pill splitting, cos I'd have to take 1 and a 1/4 of a 75mcg > Synthroid...taking me to 93.75mcg. That, going by my previous labs, should > make my FT4 and TSH both around 1.0. Maybe that's my magic number. I think > I'll see if she's willing to let me do that, unless she has some other > reason for the tiredness, low body temps at times, and return of mild > constipation. That all screams thyroid to me, from everything I've > learned. She's such a good doc to listen to me and let me work with my > numbers as long as we're within the ranges, and our lab doesn't have too bad > of a range for things, though the top of the TSH is a little high still for > " normal " but the doc realizes that and ignores it. Heheh. Yeah, that's > what I'll go in asking for unless you guys can come up with something else > that could be wrong...I'll aim at getting changed to 93.75mcg. > > Sometimes, it just helps to think it all out to someone. I think I'll take > my little temperature and thyroid charts in to show her, the trend with the > numbers become very clear when you see them all next to each other. > > -- > (stewlis) > ville, NC, USA > I am thinking now that your body has had time to adjust ot extra hormone and now that you have had extra adrenal support that your body now knows what to do with the extra hormone.. I am thinking back up to 100mcg and retest in 6 weeks in which I would not be surprised to see an increase again. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 > > I was feeling pretty good through January until the last few days of Jan and > through the first week of February, so I thought I'd have my blood checked > again to see if it was thyroid needed dose adjusted again. Here is my > history, new labs are at the bottom, and there were at least 6 weeks between > labs: > > Lab's ref ranges: > TSH: 0.34 - 4.82 > FT4: 0.64 - 1.46 > FT3: 2.3 - 4.2 > > October 27, 2005: Felt terrible, tired, naps in afternoon > TSH 3.08 (within normal, but doc allowed dose change due to symptoms and had > " room to play with the numbers " ) > Previous dose: Synthroid 75mcg, New Prescription based on labs: 100mcg > > December 9, 2005: Energetic, but fidgety, trouble concentrating, mood > swings, brain fog > TSH 0.08 (low) > FT4 1.09 (normal) > FT3 4.3 (high) > Previous dose: Synthroid 100mcg, New Prescription based on labs and mildly > hyper symptoms: 88mcg > Doc started me on Magnesium and extra Vit B Complex at night to help me > sleep and help with bowel movements (the magnesium is wonderful for both). > Began Adrenal Support on my own, 1/4 tablet first week, then up to 1/2 > tablet thereafter; immediate improvement in cognition, brain fog, energy, > and mood > > CURRENT LABS: > February 9, 2006: Felt great through January, feeling more tired first week > of Feb, but also major stress due to finding out we're moving to Japan for 3 > years and trying to do a Calculus class before we move to complete degree. > Also had some low body temps that week, between 98.0-98.4 mostly between > noon and 4pm, and again between 6-9pm. Felt very cold, freezing, couldn't > get warm until temp came back up above 98.4, mild constipation returning. > That all only lasted one week, except I'm still having episodes of feeling a > little tired and sluggish. Right now, my temp is 98.6, it's 4pm so that's > good, but I felt sluggish all day. > TSH 1.9 > FT4 0.84 > Current dose: Synthroid 88mcg, just began taking a full tablet of Adrenal > support yesterday (Feb 13th) because thought that might perk me up a little, > and also because of extremely dry skin. > > My current labs don't look too bad to me, perhaps my FT4 is on the low side, > but even when my TSH was nearly zero, my FT4 wasn't at the top of the > range. I'm taking daily multivitamins, staying away from iodine (allergic), > taking iron, multi has selenium in it. Haven't changed my diet as far as > eating more soy/cabbage/goitrogens than usual. The only thing that has > changed is the level of stress. Could that alone be causing me to feel > sluggish and tired? Have a doc appointment Thursday so I'll discuss with > her and see what she thinks. > > I'm also on birth control pills, I'm 26. Perhaps the pill is why my FT4 > isn't as high as it could be, I remember reading something about it > affecting your numbers, and I do feel best during my period when I'm not > taking the pills, but there's no option to not take some form of > hormone-induced birth control right now because it controls my migraines. I > just find it odd that I felt so good through January, and now I'm all at > once feeling tired again, unless it's purely stress. > > Any ideas? Thoughts? Maybe I need to bring my TSH down just a tiny bit > still...somewhere between 0.08 and 1.9...like closer to 1. But that would > mean some major pill splitting, cos I'd have to take 1 and a 1/4 of a 75mcg > Synthroid...taking me to 93.75mcg. That, going by my previous labs, should > make my FT4 and TSH both around 1.0. Maybe that's my magic number. I think > I'll see if she's willing to let me do that, unless she has some other > reason for the tiredness, low body temps at times, and return of mild > constipation. That all screams thyroid to me, from everything I've > learned. She's such a good doc to listen to me and let me work with my > numbers as long as we're within the ranges, and our lab doesn't have too bad > of a range for things, though the top of the TSH is a little high still for > " normal " but the doc realizes that and ignores it. Heheh. Yeah, that's > what I'll go in asking for unless you guys can come up with something else > that could be wrong...I'll aim at getting changed to 93.75mcg. > > Sometimes, it just helps to think it all out to someone. I think I'll take > my little temperature and thyroid charts in to show her, the trend with the > numbers become very clear when you see them all next to each other. > > -- > (stewlis) > ville, NC, USA > I am thinking now that your body has had time to adjust ot extra hormone and now that you have had extra adrenal support that your body now knows what to do with the extra hormone.. I am thinking back up to 100mcg and retest in 6 weeks in which I would not be surprised to see an increase again. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 > > I was feeling pretty good through January until the last few days of Jan and > through the first week of February, so I thought I'd have my blood checked > again to see if it was thyroid needed dose adjusted again. Here is my > history, new labs are at the bottom, and there were at least 6 weeks between > labs: > > Lab's ref ranges: > TSH: 0.34 - 4.82 > FT4: 0.64 - 1.46 > FT3: 2.3 - 4.2 > > October 27, 2005: Felt terrible, tired, naps in afternoon > TSH 3.08 (within normal, but doc allowed dose change due to symptoms and had > " room to play with the numbers " ) > Previous dose: Synthroid 75mcg, New Prescription based on labs: 100mcg > > December 9, 2005: Energetic, but fidgety, trouble concentrating, mood > swings, brain fog > TSH 0.08 (low) > FT4 1.09 (normal) > FT3 4.3 (high) > Previous dose: Synthroid 100mcg, New Prescription based on labs and mildly > hyper symptoms: 88mcg > Doc started me on Magnesium and extra Vit B Complex at night to help me > sleep and help with bowel movements (the magnesium is wonderful for both). > Began Adrenal Support on my own, 1/4 tablet first week, then up to 1/2 > tablet thereafter; immediate improvement in cognition, brain fog, energy, > and mood > > CURRENT LABS: > February 9, 2006: Felt great through January, feeling more tired first week > of Feb, but also major stress due to finding out we're moving to Japan for 3 > years and trying to do a Calculus class before we move to complete degree. > Also had some low body temps that week, between 98.0-98.4 mostly between > noon and 4pm, and again between 6-9pm. Felt very cold, freezing, couldn't > get warm until temp came back up above 98.4, mild constipation returning. > That all only lasted one week, except I'm still having episodes of feeling a > little tired and sluggish. Right now, my temp is 98.6, it's 4pm so that's > good, but I felt sluggish all day. > TSH 1.9 > FT4 0.84 > Current dose: Synthroid 88mcg, just began taking a full tablet of Adrenal > support yesterday (Feb 13th) because thought that might perk me up a little, > and also because of extremely dry skin. > > My current labs don't look too bad to me, perhaps my FT4 is on the low side, > but even when my TSH was nearly zero, my FT4 wasn't at the top of the > range. I'm taking daily multivitamins, staying away from iodine (allergic), > taking iron, multi has selenium in it. Haven't changed my diet as far as > eating more soy/cabbage/goitrogens than usual. The only thing that has > changed is the level of stress. Could that alone be causing me to feel > sluggish and tired? Have a doc appointment Thursday so I'll discuss with > her and see what she thinks. > > I'm also on birth control pills, I'm 26. Perhaps the pill is why my FT4 > isn't as high as it could be, I remember reading something about it > affecting your numbers, and I do feel best during my period when I'm not > taking the pills, but there's no option to not take some form of > hormone-induced birth control right now because it controls my migraines. I > just find it odd that I felt so good through January, and now I'm all at > once feeling tired again, unless it's purely stress. > > Any ideas? Thoughts? Maybe I need to bring my TSH down just a tiny bit > still...somewhere between 0.08 and 1.9...like closer to 1. But that would > mean some major pill splitting, cos I'd have to take 1 and a 1/4 of a 75mcg > Synthroid...taking me to 93.75mcg. That, going by my previous labs, should > make my FT4 and TSH both around 1.0. Maybe that's my magic number. I think > I'll see if she's willing to let me do that, unless she has some other > reason for the tiredness, low body temps at times, and return of mild > constipation. That all screams thyroid to me, from everything I've > learned. She's such a good doc to listen to me and let me work with my > numbers as long as we're within the ranges, and our lab doesn't have too bad > of a range for things, though the top of the TSH is a little high still for > " normal " but the doc realizes that and ignores it. Heheh. Yeah, that's > what I'll go in asking for unless you guys can come up with something else > that could be wrong...I'll aim at getting changed to 93.75mcg. > > Sometimes, it just helps to think it all out to someone. I think I'll take > my little temperature and thyroid charts in to show her, the trend with the > numbers become very clear when you see them all next to each other. > > -- > (stewlis) > ville, NC, USA > I am thinking now that your body has had time to adjust ot extra hormone and now that you have had extra adrenal support that your body now knows what to do with the extra hormone.. I am thinking back up to 100mcg and retest in 6 weeks in which I would not be surprised to see an increase again. Kats3boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I'm hypo and milk thistle has brought my liver enzymes down to normal levels; they were 65 and came down to below twenty. I'm still hypo and I think it contributes to the high liver enzymes, but not sure. Still, the milk thistle keeps it under control for me. Just thought I'd share in case it is of interest to you. > > > > > > ok I have some new labs. Looking for feedback. I also have a new endo (Dr friedman here in LA) and we are working at this slowly. Last labs (dec 2009)showed a high RT3 problem. And I am a bad converter from T4 to t3. > > > > > > The last 6 weeks I have switched to a combination of 50mcg levoxyl and 1 grain of NT (split) - conservative to see how I do on NT. The 50mcg semed to be too much so I downgraded to 25mcg levoxyl because I was still gaining weight and losing hair. I know I am probably underdosed but he wanted to see how I reacted after 6 weeks. Let me say I tried t3 alone and could not tolerate and I tried levoxyl and T3 and could not tolerate for whatever reason. > > > > > > Thyroid labs > > > > > > Feb 2010 > > > THS 1.090 (0.450-4.500) > > > Free T4 1.11 (0.82-1.77) > > > Reverse T3 177 (90-350) > > > Free T3 2.5 (2.0-4.4) - know I am still low here and still hypo. > > > I am having trouble with calc my RT3 ratio would it be 1 or is it 14? Decimal place is screwing me up > > > > > > December 2090 > > > TSH 1.04 (0.4-4.5) > > > Free T4 1.5 (0.8-1.8)(never feel good above 1.4) > > > Free T3 253 (230-420) > > > Reverse T3 52H (11-32) - a different measure I know > > > RT3 ratio of 5? > > > > > > My ferritin ratio in December was 60. I also showed low in testosterone and Dr. Friedman said testosterone was needed for conversion so I am on some of that. My progesterone tested on the high end 915 (less than 10-2555). But I was supplementing a small amount, I mean really small and I find it hard to believe it was driving it up so much. > > > > > > Ifeel like I might be low is estrogen and will have it tested but some of my headaches are due to the drop in estrogen at ovulation and period. And I am struggling through my period each month. > > > > > > Does high progesterone/low testosterone point to insulin resistance? > > > > > > I do know that my SHBG has gone up from 27 to 39. Iknow low SHBG is indicatove of insulin resistance. I also red that higher does of thyroid raise SHBG...maybe its gone too high > > > > > > Some signs point below to diabetes or insulin resistance which I have tested for a year ago borderline. My fasting glucose is below > > > > > > Changes in Glucose since starting NT > > > Feb 2010 70 (70-110) - post NT - hope I am not hypoglycemic as a precursor to diabetes > > > > > > Dec 2090 91 (65-99) - pre NT > > > > > > I do have that fat around the middle but fasting insulin in Dec was 7 (range of less than 17) so it looked ok...but I know fasting can be misleading. Can the addition of NT change things so drastically? And at such a low dose? My AC1 is 5.5 in which non diabetic is less than 6.0 but I do know that I am likely glucose impaired and insulin resistant because of a test over a year ago that the doc will not repeat. > > > > > > Latley I struggle with significant headaches and muscle spasms (could be a pinched nerve) but I wonder if also could be hypothyroid and or metabolic acidosis (ie insulin resistance) > > > > > > Ok some more tests that I find intereting as it relates to muscle spasms etc. > > > > > > Electrolytes > > > Feb 2010 > > > Sodium 140 (135-145) > > > Potassium 3.8 (3.5-5.0) > > > Also my chloride tested low at 97 (range of 101-111)..I looked up low chloride and it could mean adrenal deficiency (possibly right), intestal obstruction (not likley) or metabolic acidosis with diabetes (also possible) - back to the insulin resistant issue. > > > > > > December 2090 > > > Sodium 141 > > > Potassium 4.3 > > > > > > Look at the change since starting NT. I especially struggle with fluid issues around my menstrual cycle. > > > > > > They also checked something called an anion gap which tested at 18. Apparently normal is 9. HIgh anion gap means metabolic acidosis. I am too acidic? Although iron supplementation can also raise the anion gap as does aspirin. But it also says that low sodium and potatssium and calcium and magnesium which I am low in all can cause a high anion gap. BUt why am I so low in all these minerals/electrolytes? > > > > > > What also worried me was the rise in liver enzymes > > > > > > Feb 2010 > > > ALT 23 (less 46) > > > AST 42 Less than 53) > > > > > > Decemeber 2009 -ranges are slightly different) > > > ALT 13 (6-40) > > > AST 12 (10-35) > > > > > > I have guessed for some time that my liver is sluggish and I know it gets worse the more hypo you are. And I need to do something to clear it. I know B vitamins are important to liver and thyroid but I have to tell you I have a hard time tolerating them as they hit my system and the muscle spasms start. Any suggestion on improving the liver? > > > > > > Last I believe that I do have a candida issue. I'll be honest my diet has been crap and I mean crap! Especially over the holidays. Too many sweets. Candida can throw off everything right? Thryoid, liver, sex hormones? Plus I just finished a round of prednisone for the cluster headaches which did not help the candida situation. > > > > > > Ok I know this was a lot but I appreciate any information. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 > Let me say I tried t3 alone and could not tolerate and I tried levoxyl and T3 and could not tolerate for whatever reason. When you say " couldn't tolerate " what was happening??? You've posted lots of labs, as you say the FT3 shows you very hypo, ratios are not good but mainly due to low FT3 rather than high RT3 on the latest lab, if you can bring the T3 up without the RT3 rising with it then you will be in a much better place. The main thing is why you are not tolerating thyroid meds. It doesn't matter whether they are T4 or T3 it seems, what you are suffering is some form of intolerance. What happens to temperature and pulse when you take T3? What form does your intolerance take? Have you had ferritin labs done? Have you graphed daily average temperatures? Have you done the adrenal saliva test? Get to the bottom of your intolerance and you might be able to start feeling better Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 > >Bumping up for a response? Ignore my question about ferritin labs, instead " what are you doing to increase that ferritin " ?? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I received my labs back and I would appreciate any advice. Here are my newest labs taken while on 50 mcg synthroid and 12 mcg SR T3. This is the first time I checked my RT3, but I am feeling awful so I thought I should have a complete picture. I am having trouble understanding RT3. I know it can be produced when one has low ferritin or high cortisol (I have high cortisol). I am supplementing iron for my lowish ferritin. My FT3/RT3 ratio is 12, which is low. So do I have to go on T3 only treatment? Or will the RT3 problem resolve once the cortisol and ferritin changes? Is this possibly why I felt hellish on dessicated thyroid? I have only been treated for hypoT for 3 months. Thank you! TSH: .668 (.45-4.5) FT4: 1.15 (.82-1.77) FT3: 3.5 (2.0-4.4) RT3: 290 (90-350) Ferritin: 37 (10-290) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Ok I posted this when Nick was out and not many people around so I thought I would repost to try to get some more insight especially on the thryoid levels. Thanks very much > > > > ok I have some new labs. Looking for feedback. I also have a new endo (Dr friedman here in LA) and we are working at this slowly. Last labs (dec 2009)showed a high RT3 problem. And I am a bad converter from T4 to t3. > > > > > > The last 6 weeks I have switched to a combination of 50mcg levoxyl and 1 grain of NT (split) - conservative to see how I do on NT. The 50mcg semed to be too much so I downgraded to 25mcg levoxyl because I was still gaining weight and losing hair. I know I am probably underdosed but he wanted to see how I reacted after 6 weeks. Let me say I tried t3 alone and could not tolerate and I tried levoxyl and T3 and could not tolerate for whatever reason. > > > > > > Thyroid labs > > > > > > Feb 2010 > > > THS 1.090 (0.450-4.500) > > > Free T4 1.11 (0.82-1.77) > > > Reverse T3 177 (90-350) > > > Free T3 2.5 (2.0-4.4) - know I am still low here and still hypo. > > > I am having trouble with calc my RT3 ratio would it be 1 or is it 14? Decimal place is screwing me up > > > > > > December 2090 > > > TSH 1.04 (0.4-4.5) > > > Free T4 1.5 (0.8-1.8)(never feel good above 1.4) > > > Free T3 253 (230-420) > > > Reverse T3 52H (11-32) - a different measure I know > > > RT3 ratio of 5? > > > > > > My ferritin ratio in December was 60. I also showed low in testosterone and Dr. Friedman said testosterone was needed for conversion so I am on some of that. My progesterone tested on the high end 915 (less than 10-2555). But I was supplementing a small amount, I mean really small and I find it hard to believe it was driving it up so much. > > > > > > Ifeel like I might be low is estrogen and will have it tested but some of my headaches are due to the drop in estrogen at ovulation and period. And I am struggling through my period each month. > > > > > > Does high progesterone/low testosterone point to insulin resistance? > > > > > > I do know that my SHBG has gone up from 27 to 39. Iknow low SHBG is indicatove of insulin resistance. I also red that higher does of thyroid raise SHBG...maybe its gone too high > > > > > > Some signs point below to diabetes or insulin resistance which I have tested for a year ago borderline. My fasting glucose is below > > > > > > Changes in Glucose since starting NT > > > Feb 2010 70 (70-110) - post NT - hope I am not hypoglycemic as a precursor to diabetes > > > > > > Dec 2090 91 (65-99) - pre NT > > > > > > I do have that fat around the middle but fasting insulin in Dec was 7 (range of less than 17) so it looked ok...but I know fasting can be misleading. Can the addition of NT change things so drastically? And at such a low dose? My AC1 is 5.5 in which non diabetic is less than 6.0 but I do know that I am likely glucose impaired and insulin resistant because of a test over a year ago that the doc will not repeat. > > > > > > Latley I struggle with significant headaches and muscle spasms (could be a pinched nerve) but I wonder if also could be hypothyroid and or metabolic acidosis (ie insulin resistance) > > > > > > Ok some more tests that I find intereting as it relates to muscle spasms etc. > > > > > > Electrolytes > > > Feb 2010 > > > Sodium 140 (135-145) > > > Potassium 3.8 (3.5-5.0) > > > Also my chloride tested low at 97 (range of 101-111)..I looked up low chloride and it could mean adrenal deficiency (possibly right), intestal obstruction (not likley) or metabolic acidosis with diabetes (also possible) - back to the insulin resistant issue. > > > > > > December 2090 > > > Sodium 141 > > > Potassium 4.3 > > > > > > Look at the change since starting NT. I especially struggle with fluid issues around my menstrual cycle. > > > > > > They also checked something called an anion gap which tested at 18. Apparently normal is 9. HIgh anion gap means metabolic acidosis. I am too acidic? Although iron supplementation can also raise the anion gap as does aspirin. But it also says that low sodium and potatssium and calcium and magnesium which I am low in all can cause a high anion gap. BUt why am I so low in all these minerals/electrolytes? > > > > > > What also worried me was the rise in liver enzymes > > > > > > Feb 2010 > > > ALT 23 (less 46) > > > AST 42 Less than 53) > > > > > > Decemeber 2009 -ranges are slightly different) > > > ALT 13 (6-40) > > > AST 12 (10-35) > > > > > > I have guessed for some time that my liver is sluggish and I know it gets worse the more hypo you are. And I need to do something to clear it. I know B vitamins are important to liver and thyroid but I have to tell you I have a hard time tolerating them as they hit my system and the muscle spasms start. Any suggestion on improving the liver? > > > > > > Last I believe that I do have a candida issue. I'll be honest my diet has been crap and I mean crap! Especially over the holidays. Too many sweets. Candida can throw off everything right? Thryoid, liver, sex hormones? Plus I just finished a round of prednisone for the cluster headaches which did not help the candida situation. > > > > > > Ok I know this was a lot but I appreciate any information. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Your fasting glucose looks fine but is runnign a tad on the low side. You NEED T3 onyl your RT3 is horrible, You ratio now is 14.12 and I bet your low ferritin is why you did not tolerate the T3 in the Past. 60 is TOO LOW. Low testosterone will cause insulin resistance as wil lwo estrogen. I would have bith a Glucose tolerance test and an A1c lab run wiuth numbers showing hypoglycemic it is a precursor. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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