Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hello I'm on week 16 of T3 only. I'm taking huge amounts of T3 (200mcg T3 a day) but still can't get any temps over 36.3. What can be going wrong? I'm taking 40-45mg HC a day. At the week 7 mark, i had dreadful hypoglycemia so upped the HC to the 45ish I'm currently taking, and that got rid of those symptoms. If it was HC or ferritin, wouldn't I have other problems than just not being able to increase my basal temps? I don't suffer with anxiety or anything like that. I can't lose any weight and still have brain fog. My sleeping has improved. My last set of blood tests were screwed up by the clinic. They did manage to let me know my TSH was very suppressed, but that's to be expected. I'm taking the T3 every three hours and the HC every two hours. Any ideas? Thanks, Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Reduce HC. You are just takign HC to cover the stress of a high T3 level and high T3 to cover the ibalance of high cortiosl. It is an easy issue to slip inot. I woudl reduce BOTH T3 adn HC. Try to get doewn ot no more than 35mg HC adn 125mcg T3. UH Before I say that what KIND of T3 are tyou tkaing? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Jane: I'm on week 19 of T3 only. No matter how much T3 I take, it has no effect. I seem to be immune to the stuff. My TSH is suppressed (0.021), my RT3 has gone down from 319 to 35, but still...no higher temps, no higher pulse, still can't lose weight, still constantly exhausted, still have brain fog. I am not taking as much as you, only taking 112.5 mg/day, (and upping by 6.25 every 3 days), but my overall experience seems very, very similar to yours. I take only 35 mg of HC a day, even though I'm on a lower HC dose than you I'm going to try what Val suggested to you, and lower it a little. I have been reluctant to lower HC as my temps drop badly after exercise, indicating I'm actually not on enough HC. If you find a solution to this problem, could I ask you to please post it here? Besides continuing to increase my T3 dose, I don't know what else to do. Thank you kindly. Margery > > Hello > > I'm on week 16 of T3 only. I'm taking huge amounts of T3 (200mcg T3 a day) but still can't get any temps over 36.3. What can be going wrong? I'm taking 40-45mg HC a day. At the week 7 mark, i had dreadful hypoglycemia so upped the HC to the 45ish I'm currently taking, and that got rid of those symptoms. > > If it was HC or ferritin, wouldn't I have other problems than just not being able to increase my basal temps? I don't suffer with anxiety or anything like that. I can't lose any weight and still have brain fog. My sleeping has improved. My last set of blood tests were screwed up by the clinic. They did manage to let me know my TSH was very suppressed, but that's to be expected. > > I'm taking the T3 every three hours and the HC every two hours. > > Any ideas? > Thanks, Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 >Jane: I'm on week 19 of T3 only. No matter how much T3 I take, it has no effect. I seem to be immune to the stuff. My TSH is suppressed (0.021), my RT3 has gone down from 319 to 35, but still...no higher temps, no higher pulse, still can't lose weight, still constantly exhausted, still have brain fog. I am not taking as much as you, only taking 112.5 mg/day, (and upping by 6.25 every 3 days), but my overall experience seems very, very similar to yours. The numbers look good though that's not " that much " T3, have you tried higher at any stage? What brand of T3 is it?? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Thank you Nick, it's Grossman Cynomel from Mexico. This is the highest dose I've been on, still increasing by 6.25mg every 3 days. I recently started taking it sublingually to see if that would help but there seems no difference. > > >Jane: I'm on week 19 of T3 only. No matter how much T3 I take, it has no effect. I seem to be immune to the stuff. My TSH is suppressed (0.021), my RT3 has gone down from 319 to 35, but still...no higher temps, no higher pulse, still can't lose weight, still constantly exhausted, still have brain fog. I am not taking as much as you, only taking 112.5 mg/day, (and upping by 6.25 every 3 days), but my overall experience seems very, very similar to yours. > > The numbers look good though that's not " that much " T3, have you tried > higher at any stage? > > What brand of T3 is it?? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi Val. Thanks for replying. I'm taking a generic t3 prescribed by my uk gp. It's manufactured by Goldshield. I had some cynomel arrive today from Mexico. Should I reduce the t3 or the hc first? How will reducing either or both of these get my temps to rise? Thanks for your help, Jane > > Reduce HC. You are just takign HC to cover the stress of a high T3 > level and high T3 to cover the ibalance of high cortiosl. It is an easy > issue to slip inot. I woudl reduce BOTH T3 adn HC. Try to get doewn ot > no more than 35mg HC adn 125mcg T3. UH Before I say that what KIND of T3 > are tyou tkaing? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi Val. Thanks for replying. I'm taking a generic t3 prescribed by my uk gp. It's manufactured by Goldshield. I had some cynomel arrive today from Mexico. Should I reduce the t3 or the hc first? How will reducing either or both of these get my temps to rise? Thanks for your help, Jane > > Reduce HC. You are just takign HC to cover the stress of a high T3 > level and high T3 to cover the ibalance of high cortiosl. It is an easy > issue to slip inot. I woudl reduce BOTH T3 adn HC. Try to get doewn ot > no more than 35mg HC adn 125mcg T3. UH Before I say that what KIND of T3 > are tyou tkaing? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 >Thank you Nick, it's Grossman Cynomel from Mexico. This is the highest dose I've been on, still increasing by 6.25mg every 3 days. I recently started taking it sublingually to see if that would help but there seems no difference. You may well not have reached your ideal dose yet then. The Grossman is good but " most " people need between 75 and 125 of that. 125 is not a rigid upper limit, as long as you step up slowly and watch vital signs you can go higher. I have been on 150 for several months. There are more causes of thyroid resistance than RT3 and I believe I have another one now my RT3 has cleared. I presume you are spreading it through the day. To save me reading back is your Ferritin at least 70, temperature stable, and Vitamin D at least 50??? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Thanks Nick. Oddly, my pulse is lower on 112.5 mg/day of cynomel than it was on 100 mg/day (77 vs. 84) not a huge difference but I would expect just the opposite. I divide the cynomel into 5 doses. Temps taken as per Dr. Rind's graph very similar most days: 96.8/98.1/98.1 = avg 97.7. Temps always drop after exercise (sounds adrenal but I'm on 35mg HC/day). Waiting on ferritin & Vit D test results now; just got some Venofer IVs so ferritin should be 70 if not even higher. > > >Thank you Nick, it's Grossman Cynomel from Mexico. This is the highest dose I've been on, still increasing by 6.25mg every 3 days. I recently started taking it sublingually to see if that would help but there seems no difference. > > You may well not have reached your ideal dose yet then. > > The Grossman is good but " most " people need between 75 and 125 of > that. > > 125 is not a rigid upper limit, as long as you step up slowly and > watch vital signs you can go higher. I have been on 150 for several > months. There are more causes of thyroid resistance than RT3 and I > believe I have another one now my RT3 has cleared. > > I presume you are spreading it through the day. > > To save me reading back is your Ferritin at least 70, temperature > stable, and Vitamin D at least 50??? > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 >Thanks Nick. Oddly, my pulse is lower on 112.5 mg/day of cynomel than it was on 100 mg/day (77 vs. 84) not a huge difference but I would expect just the opposite. One of life's tricks. When you are hypo your adrenals try to pump out more cortisol. If they can't manage that they pump out adrenaline to get the body going. This increases pulse and can lead to panic feelings. Get the T3 high enough to clear the hypo and the adrenaline goes away and pulse DEcreases. Take it higher and pulse will go up again but this time temperature will go UP if you get as far as hypER thyroid or down if you deplete your cortisol levels first. It's an interesting juggling match balancing it all out Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 I appreciate your reply, Nick, it was a real eye-opener. Sounds like I am actually making good progress, just have to keep at it, which I will do. I will also keep a closer eye on temperatures to determine if I have achieved a proper Cynomel/HC balance. PS. I am more than a little familiar with those panic feelings you mentioned. > > >Thanks Nick. Oddly, my pulse is lower on 112.5 mg/day of cynomel than it was on 100 mg/day (77 vs. 84) not a huge difference but I would expect just the opposite. > > One of life's tricks. > > When you are hypo your adrenals try to pump out more cortisol. If they > can't manage that they pump out adrenaline to get the body going. This > increases pulse and can lead to panic feelings. > > Get the T3 high enough to clear the hypo and the adrenaline goes away > and pulse DEcreases. > > Take it higher and pulse will go up again but this time temperature > will go UP if you get as far as hypER thyroid or down if you deplete > your cortisol levels first. > > It's an interesting juggling match balancing it all out > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 >I appreciate your reply, Nick, it was a real eye-opener. Sounds like I am actually making good progress, just have to keep at it, which I will do. I will also keep a closer eye on temperatures to determine if I have achieved a proper Cynomel/HC balance. PS. I am more than a little familiar with those panic feelings you mentioned. glad that all makes sense Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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