Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Hi , I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Hi , I have RA, I no longer take medications for this. I treat it through life style changes that have worked for me. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: to D. Hi ,I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called "blaming the victim" by . Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: to D. Hi , I have RA, I no longer take medications for this. I treat it through life style changes that have worked for me. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: to D. Hi ,I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray > I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called "blaming the victim" by . And , I suggest that you don't understand autoimmune diseases at all. On your website http://www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com you state: >Why would I have an auto immune disorder if I have a strong immune system? Over time I have weakened my immune system somehow to the point of allowing disease to set in. < If you have an autoimmune disease, you don't have to worry about your immune system being weak. It's the exact opposite!! That's why people take drugs such as prednisone; to weaken the immune system so it no longer attacks your body! The last thing you want to do is boost your immune system. That's why doctors and pharmacists tell us not to take drugs that boost the immune system. Geez ... Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 If you've suffered RA and listened to your doctors long enough they have moved from first believing that RA was an underactive immune system to the present belief that it is the cause of an over active immune system. I challenge both and suggest that it is caused by an immune system that is simply out of balance. I couldn't continue to take medications that weren't helping much and that I knew, long term were killing me. That is my belief, that is why I spent so much time and effort searching for answers. If you read my website you would see also that much of my theory is based on the idea that perhaps yeast is spilling from our gut and depositing in the joints, causing RA. This belief is held by many leading Naturapaths who have success with patients in treating RA. Combine the nutritional health with spiritual and mental health, reducing stress to the body and I found better results than any medication gave me.......Keep in mind, I used the medications when I needed them so I am not suggesting that meds don't have a place......just that I believe long term use of medication is very damaging to ones health and leads to more disease. I personally chose my route. You have simply chosen a different route, both are fine......you are happy with your results, I am happy with mine. I would appreciate you not insulting my integrity by suggesting that because I found a different method than you that I did not have RA. I would love to live without RA..........I have it, I do all I can to halt it, just like you. Different people, different methods but you have free will and so do I and we both have the right to free speach, however we shouldn't pick at eachother for our different belief or success in fighting RA. We are on the same side. Lets support and welcome eachothers individual beliefs. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: Re: to D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray > I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called "blaming the victim" by . And , I suggest that you don't understand autoimmune diseases at all. On your website http://www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com you state: >Why would I have an auto immune disorder if I have a strong immune system? Over time I have weakened my immune system somehow to the point of allowing disease to set in. < If you have an autoimmune disease, you don't have to worry about your immune system being weak. It's the exact opposite!! That's why people take drugs such as prednisone; to weaken the immune system so it no longer attacks your body! The last thing you want to do is boost your immune system. That's why doctors and pharmacists tell us not to take drugs that boost the immune system. Geez ... Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Thank you Ray, I will look for this book. I have read many and have a list of about 20 books I need to complete before my next seminar but will try to locate this book. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidARthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: Re: to D. I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called "blaming the victim" by . Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: to D. Hi , I have RA, I no longer take medications for this. I treat it through life style changes that have worked for me. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: to D. Hi ,I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 I believe that RA is not a single disease but a syndrome or collection of symptoms that are similar from a multiplicity of diseases. I think that is why any attempt to find one solution for all RA is doomed to failure. Some medications work for some people, other medications work for others, and for some no medications seem to work well. The same is true of diets or of antibiotic therapy. I also think there is enough overlap of the various types of RA that some approach may help many types of RA and other approaches may be helpful to only a few types of RA. Remember, this is my theory and not based on specific discussions by others. The immune system is very complex so that if one part is underactive the body will react by making another part more active to try to achieve some sort of balance. I don't believe that things either enhance or suppress the total immune system. They affect some parts of the immune system and that effect will ripple throughout the body by causing other changes in the immune system to compensate. Again this is my theory and I have not heard others say the same thing. Although Dovey and I have chosen different ways for handling our RA I don't think we differ greatly in our beliefs about RA. God bless. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: Re: to D. If you've suffered RA and listened to your doctors long enough they have moved from first believing that RA was an underactive immune system to the present belief that it is the cause of an over active immune system. I challenge both and suggest that it is caused by an immune system that is simply out of balance. I couldn't continue to take medications that weren't helping much and that I knew, long term were killing me. That is my belief, that is why I spent so much time and effort searching for answers. If you read my website you would see also that much of my theory is based on the idea that perhaps yeast is spilling from our gut and depositing in the joints, causing RA. This belief is held by many leading Naturapaths who have success with patients in treating RA. Combine the nutritional health with spiritual and mental health, reducing stress to the body and I found better results than any medication gave me.......Keep in mind, I used the medications when I needed them so I am not suggesting that meds don't have a place......just that I believe long term use of medication is very damaging to ones health and leads to more disease. I personally chose my route. You have simply chosen a different route, both are fine......you are happy with your results, I am happy with mine. I would appreciate you not insulting my integrity by suggesting that because I found a different method than you that I did not have RA. I would love to live without RA..........I have it, I do all I can to halt it, just like you. Different people, different methods but you have free will and so do I and we both have the right to free speach, however we shouldn't pick at eachother for our different belief or success in fighting RA. We are on the same side. Lets support and welcome eachothers individual beliefs. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: Re: to D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray > I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called "blaming the victim" by . And , I suggest that you don't understand autoimmune diseases at all. On your website http://www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com you state: >Why would I have an auto immune disorder if I have a strong immune system? Over time I have weakened my immune system somehow to the point of allowing disease to set in. < If you have an autoimmune disease, you don't have to worry about your immune system being weak. It's the exact opposite!! That's why people take drugs such as prednisone; to weaken the immune system so it no longer attacks your body! The last thing you want to do is boost your immune system. That's why doctors and pharmacists tell us not to take drugs that boost the immune system. Geez ... Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey >If you've suffered RA and listened to your doctors long enough they have moved from first believing that RA was an underactive immune system to the present belief that it is the cause of an over active immune system. Ain't science wonderful? I've NEVER heard that ANY autoimmune disease if from the immune system being underactive. You must be a lot older than I am. > I challenge both and suggest that it is caused by an immune system that is simply out of balance. I don't have a problem with you believing that. Just don't expect me to. > If you read my website you would see also that much of my theory is based on the idea that perhaps yeast is spilling from our gut and depositing in the joints, causing RA. Personally, I find that so ridiculous that I'm not even going to respond to that. > I would appreciate you not insulting my integrity by suggesting that because I found a different method than you that I did not have RA. Then don't insult me by infering that I have a personality disorder and that's why I'm sick. > Lets support and welcome eachothers individual beliefs. I can support you, and I will, when you are in pain or fatigued or whatever. That does not mean I need to support your view because quite frankly, I think it's quackery. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 RA comes in as many degrees as there are people. Remissions occur as a result of medication, treatment, diet, healthy living, or the phase of the moon. Seronegative people usually have milder cases which may be active for a brief period(several years) and then lay dormant or virtually disappear. It is cruel and vicious to attribute your own good health to "will power," "attitude," and "mental health" on a list of people who are in various stages of what can be an extremely aggressive, disabling, and painful disease. Do you honestly think anyone on this list is so stupid that they would suffer the side-effects of mtx and the other drugs if they could "think" themselves well? Without some kind of verification(medical testing, etc), your "experience" is worthless as far as holding any value for us. "Snake oil" comes to mind when I read things like this. I could make a good case for going back to work, losing weight, and eating healthy as a "cure" for myself, but the reality is that while those things make me feel better, they didn't "cure" me. I happen to be going through a very lucky period right now where I have few symptoms of the disease. That could change in a heartbeat, with no connection to what I am doing, who I am, or what I believe. As far as a personality profile, I am a professional who is five years past an early retirement, with a Board of Ed. calling me yearly and coercing me to return for one more year because I am effective, decisive, outgoing, and at the same time, very laid back in the respect that I experience little stress while working with the toughest group of adolescents in a school setting -- 15-16 yo's who have failed all the way up and are repeating their 9th grade year. Now *that's* a motivated group<g>. And most importantly, I make people laugh. If I don't have fun at what I'm doing, regardless of what it is, then it's not worth it to me to do it. Does that sound like the profile to which you were referring? I think not. I spent about 12 hours feeling depressed when I was first diagnosed. That was the sum total of the effect on me -- whatever happens, happens. I'm single and in charge of my life, with no relatives to take care of me and no significant other to depend on. And I'm happy -- my life is exactly what I want it to be(well, okay, I could have more money...<g>). Having RA is about as much fun sometimes as being poked in the eye with a sharp stick, but no one promised me that everything would be what I wanted in life. I like what I have. One of the few things that gets me going is people who try to tell me that my lifestyle, attitude, beliefs, practices, are what determine my disease. It's amazing how many people who ride that train don't actually have documented medical diagnoses and refuse to deal with doctors because doctors don't agree with their own assessment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: to D. I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called "blaming the victim" by . Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: to D. Hi , I have RA, I no longer take medications for this. I treat it through life style changes that have worked for me. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: to D. Hi ,I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 well said Nina! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: to D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey >If you've suffered RA and listened to your doctors long enough they have moved from first believing that RA was an underactive immune system to the present belief that it is the cause of an over active immune system. Ain't science wonderful? I've NEVER heard that ANY autoimmune disease if from the immune system being underactive. You must be a lot older than I am. > I challenge both and suggest that it is caused by an immune system that is simply out of balance. I don't have a problem with you believing that. Just don't expect me to. > If you read my website you would see also that much of my theory is based on the idea that perhaps yeast is spilling from our gut and depositing in the joints, causing RA. Personally, I find that so ridiculous that I'm not even going to respond to that. > I would appreciate you not insulting my integrity by suggesting that because I found a different method than you that I did not have RA. Then don't insult me by infering that I have a personality disorder and that's why I'm sick. > Lets support and welcome eachothers individual beliefs. I can support you, and I will, when you are in pain or fatigued or whatever. That does not mean I need to support your view because quite frankly, I think it's quackery. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Duh. RA 101. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: to D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray > I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called "blaming the victim" by . And , I suggest that you don't understand autoimmune diseases at all. On your website http://www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com you state: >Why would I have an auto immune disorder if I have a strong immune system? Over time I have weakened my immune system somehow to the point of allowing disease to set in. < If you have an autoimmune disease, you don't have to worry about your immune system being weak. It's the exact opposite!! That's why people take drugs such as prednisone; to weaken the immune system so it no longer attacks your body! The last thing you want to do is boost your immune system. That's why doctors and pharmacists tell us not to take drugs that boost the immune system. Geez ... Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 I didn't suggest you have anything.......I used myself as an example, opening myself up to being hurt, offended and attacked, which is what I feel now.......I would like to remain in this forum so I will quit with these postings as it is not fair to everyone recieving all these messages in their personal email.......If you would like to continue your attack my private email is posted I believe. Dorey ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: to D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey >If you've suffered RA and listened to your doctors long enough they have moved from first believing that RA was an underactive immune system to the present belief that it is the cause of an over active immune system. Ain't science wonderful? I've NEVER heard that ANY autoimmune disease if from the immune system being underactive. You must be a lot older than I am. > I challenge both and suggest that it is caused by an immune system that is simply out of balance. I don't have a problem with you believing that. Just don't expect me to. > If you read my website you would see also that much of my theory is based on the idea that perhaps yeast is spilling from our gut and depositing in the joints, causing RA. Personally, I find that so ridiculous that I'm not even going to respond to that. > I would appreciate you not insulting my integrity by suggesting that because I found a different method than you that I did not have RA. Then don't insult me by infering that I have a personality disorder and that's why I'm sick. > Lets support and welcome eachothers individual beliefs. I can support you, and I will, when you are in pain or fatigued or whatever. That does not mean I need to support your view because quite frankly, I think it's quackery. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 , I hope you don’t mind if I ask for specifics outside the breathing and other relaxation techniques you described. It if works to take the pain away I’d really like to hear about it. -----Original Message----- From: Dorey [mailto:ddorey@...] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:23 PM To: Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: to D. Hi , I have RA, I no longer take medications for this. I treat it through life style changes that have worked for me. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: to D. Hi , I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 There are a lot of people here who explore (and some have settled on) different methods for treating their RA. I think what put people on guard is your assertion that it is possible to tell what disease a person has or will develop from looking at them. I know that sounded an alarm for me. Beliefs of that nature are misguided and can be directly defined as prejudgment – a big problem for people who are different. A little discussion is a positive thing. -----Original Message----- From: Dorey [mailto:ddorey@...] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:03 PM Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: to D. If you've suffered RA and listened to your doctors long enough they have moved from first believing that RA was an underactive immune system to the present belief that it is the cause of an over active immune system. I challenge both and suggest that it is caused by an immune system that is simply out of balance. I couldn't continue to take medications that weren't helping much and that I knew, long term were killing me. That is my belief, that is why I spent so much time and effort searching for answers. If you read my website you would see also that much of my theory is based on the idea that perhaps yeast is spilling from our gut and depositing in the joints, causing RA. This belief is held by many leading Naturapaths who have success with patients in treating RA. Combine the nutritional health with spiritual and mental health, reducing stress to the body and I found better results than any medication gave me.......Keep in mind, I used the medications when I needed them so I am not suggesting that meds don't have a place......just that I believe long term use of medication is very damaging to ones health and leads to more disease. I personally chose my route. You have simply chosen a different route, both are fine......you are happy with your results, I am happy with mine. I would appreciate you not insulting my integrity by suggesting that because I found a different method than you that I did not have RA. I would love to live without RA..........I have it, I do all I can to halt it, just like you. Different people, different methods but you have free will and so do I and we both have the right to free speach, however we shouldn't pick at eachother for our different belief or success in fighting RA. We are on the same side. Lets support and welcome eachothers individual beliefs. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: Re: to D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray > I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called " blaming the victim " by . And , I suggest that you don't understand autoimmune diseases at all. On your website http://www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com you state: >Why would I have an auto immune disorder if I have a strong immune system? Over time I have weakened my immune system somehow to the point of allowing disease to set in. < If you have an autoimmune disease, you don't have to worry about your immune system being weak. It's the exact opposite!! That's why people take drugs such as prednisone; to weaken the immune system so it no longer attacks your body! The last thing you want to do is boost your immune system. That's why doctors and pharmacists tell us not to take drugs that boost the immune system. Geez ... Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 What is this seminar?? -----Original Message----- From: Dorey [mailto:ddorey@...] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:04 PM Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: to D. Thank you Ray, I will look for this book. I have read many and have a list of about 20 books I need to complete before my next seminar but will try to locate this book. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidARthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: Re: to D. I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called " blaming the victim " by . Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: to D. Hi , I have RA, I no longer take medications for this. I treat it through life style changes that have worked for me. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: to D. Hi , I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Well said, . -----Original Message----- From: Hasenstab [mailto:saludo@...] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:25 PM To: Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: to D. RA comes in as many degrees as there are people. Remissions occur as a result of medication, treatment, diet, healthy living, or the phase of the moon. Seronegative people usually have milder cases which may be active for a brief period(several years) and then lay dormant or virtually disappear. It is cruel and vicious to attribute your own good health to " will power, " " attitude, " and " mental health " on a list of people who are in various stages of what can be an extremely aggressive, disabling, and painful disease. Do you honestly think anyone on this list is so stupid that they would suffer the side-effects of mtx and the other drugs if they could " think " themselves well? Without some kind of verification(medical testing, etc), your " experience " is worthless as far as holding any value for us. " Snake oil " comes to mind when I read things like this. I could make a good case for going back to work, losing weight, and eating healthy as a " cure " for myself, but the reality is that while those things make me feel better, they didn't " cure " me. I happen to be going through a very lucky period right now where I have few symptoms of the disease. That could change in a heartbeat, with no connection to what I am doing, who I am, or what I believe. As far as a personality profile, I am a professional who is five years past an early retirement, with a Board of Ed. calling me yearly and coercing me to return for one more year because I am effective, decisive, outgoing, and at the same time, very laid back in the respect that I experience little stress while working with the toughest group of adolescents in a school setting -- 15-16 yo's who have failed all the way up and are repeating their 9th grade year. Now *that's* a motivated group<g>. And most importantly, I make people laugh. If I don't have fun at what I'm doing, regardless of what it is, then it's not worth it to me to do it. Does that sound like the profile to which you were referring? I think not. I spent about 12 hours feeling depressed when I was first diagnosed. That was the sum total of the effect on me -- whatever happens, happens. I'm single and in charge of my life, with no relatives to take care of me and no significant other to depend on. And I'm happy -- my life is exactly what I want it to be(well, okay, I could have more money...<g>). Having RA is about as much fun sometimes as being poked in the eye with a sharp stick, but no one promised me that everything would be what I wanted in life. I like what I have. One of the few things that gets me going is people who try to tell me that my lifestyle, attitude, beliefs, practices, are what determine my disease. It's amazing how many people who ride that train don't actually have documented medical diagnoses and refuse to deal with doctors because doctors don't agree with their own assessment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: to D. I would offer that you probably do not have RA or a very mild case of it. I would also like to refer you to a book to educate yourself called " blaming the victim " by . Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: to D. Hi , I have RA, I no longer take medications for this. I treat it through life style changes that have worked for me. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: to D. Hi , I might have missed it, but what meds are you on for your RA and whatever else you may have, or are you on no meds? Respectfully, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hasenstab > RA comes in as many degrees as there are people. Remissions occur as a result of medication, treatment, diet, healthy living, or the phase of the moon. Seronegative people usually have milder cases which may be active for a brief period(several years) and then lay dormant or virtually disappear. It is cruel and vicious to attribute your own good health to "will power," "attitude," and "mental health" on a list of people who are in various stages of what can be an extremely aggressive, disabling, and painful disease. Do you honestly think anyone on this list is so stupid that they would suffer the side-effects of mtx and the other drugs if they could "think" themselves well? Perfectly put! Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Don’t feel attacked. That’s no good. -----Original Message----- From: Dorey [mailto:ddorey@...] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:44 PM To: Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: to D. I didn't suggest you have anything.......I used myself as an example, opening myself up to being hurt, offended and attacked, which is what I feel now.......I would like to remain in this forum so I will quit with these postings as it is not fair to everyone recieving all these messages in their personal email.......If you would like to continue your attack my private email is posted I believe. Dorey ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: to D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey >If you've suffered RA and listened to your doctors long enough they have moved from first believing that RA was an underactive immune system to the present belief that it is the cause of an over active immune system. Ain't science wonderful? I've NEVER heard that ANY autoimmune disease if from the immune system being underactive. You must be a lot older than I am. > I challenge both and suggest that it is caused by an immune system that is simply out of balance. I don't have a problem with you believing that. Just don't expect me to. > If you read my website you would see also that much of my theory is based on the idea that perhaps yeast is spilling from our gut and depositing in the joints, causing RA. Personally, I find that so ridiculous that I'm not even going to respond to that. > I would appreciate you not insulting my integrity by suggesting that because I found a different method than you that I did not have RA. Then don't insult me by infering that I have a personality disorder and that's why I'm sick. > Lets support and welcome eachothers individual beliefs. I can support you, and I will, when you are in pain or fatigued or whatever. That does not mean I need to support your view because quite frankly, I think it's quackery. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey > I didn't suggest you have anything.......I used myself as an example, opening myself up to being hurt, offended and attacked, which is what I feel now.......I would like to remain in this forum so I will quit with these postings as it is not fair to everyone recieving all these messages in their personal email.......If you would like to continue your attack my private email is posted I believe. I don't attack people, private or otherwise. However, I don't sit back and let someone try to force feed me their views. If you want to post "I believe theory A, B or C", or "My doctor says this, that and the other" that's perfectly fine. I will listen to anything within reason. However, that's not what you've been doing. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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