Re: Re: Trouble with brakes

May 25, 2011

I too can relate to all this. And the afternoon time zone and evening are both hard for me. Last week I woke up at 4am and was so hungry I couldn't go back to sleep, so I ate something. That's the first time I ever did that and I did not feel guilty. I honored that hunger. Right now I can tell I did not eat enough lunch because it has been less than an hour and I feel famished. I think I will honor that hunger. I will have to get creative about the evening too. Sandy

Hi Divine2B,

I can understand your struggle. I am a member of the " clean your plate club " as I was forced to eat as a child when I didn't want to. I too have trouble stopping eating when I am full - the food tastes good and I want to enjoy more of it - but that is a habit that has helped me over eat and weigh more than I want to. Then the guilt afterwards is simply not worth it.

I am an emotional eating and I have struggles in the afternoon from 3 pm until dinner and then again around 8:30. What works for me is to keep busy; iron, take a walk, garden, if you work, get up and walk around your floor or go outside for a few meinutes. The evening is hard, and I have no advice to give on that - as a matter of fact, I could use some advice on that.

Debra

May 25, 2011

It has helped me to sit down at the table and not multitask when I eat. I find the appeal of eating when not hungry isn't there if I don't " get " to do something else while eating.

So maybe you can experiment with turning off the TV (or computer or radio, and closing the book or magazine) and sit at the table, and see if that doesn't help the eating for non-hunger reasons.

This isn't to punish you for eating for the " wrong " reasons... taking the time to focus on eating makes hunger and fullness much harder to ignore. And makes eating for distraction much more difficult.

Hope this helps,

Abby

IE since 11/08

> I too can relate to all this. And the afternoon time zone and evening are

> both hard for me. Last week I woke up at 4am and was so hungry I couldn't> go back to sleep, so I ate something. That's the first time I ever did that> and I did not feel guilty. I honored that hunger. Right now I can tell I

> did not eat enough lunch because it has been less than an hour and I feel> famished. I think I will honor that hunger. I will have to get creative> about the evening too. Sandy> > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Debra Marcum wrote:

> >>>>>> Hi Divine2B,>>>> I can understand your struggle. I am a member of the " clean your plate>> club " as I was forced to eat as a child when I didn't want to. I too have

>> trouble stopping eating when I am full - the food tastes good and I want to>> enjoy more of it - but that is a habit that has helped me over eat and weigh>> more than I want to. Then the guilt afterwards is simply not worth it.

>>>> I am an emotional eating and I have struggles in the afternoon from 3 pm>> until dinner and then again around 8:30. What works for me is to keep busy;>> iron, take a walk, garden, if you work, get up and walk around your floor or

>> go outside for a few meinutes. The evening is hard, and I have no advice to>> give on that - as a matter of fact, I could use some advice on that.>>>> Debra>> >>

May 25, 2011

Abby, I like the point you made about not " punishing " yourself with these methods. Gillian (founder of this group, IE counselor I'm working with) has been emphasizing for me how a lot of mindful eating methods can work like behavior modification for many people. Like you can feel in the back of your mind you're doing these things to ensure you don't eat to much, or they become too much work and take away the pleasure of eating, and cause you to rebel. It's important to experiment and find the things that you're comfortable with. Mindful eating techniques can be fantastic tools to learn about behaviors, and to help us " slow down " and feel the satisfaction, just need to make sure that it never feels bad, or like a punishment.

Best of luck!- Casey

It has helped me to sit down at the table and not multitask when I eat. I find the appeal of eating when not hungry isn't there if I don't " get " to do something else while eating.

So maybe you can experiment with turning off the TV (or computer or radio, and closing the book or magazine) and sit at the table, and see if that doesn't help the eating for non-hunger reasons.

This isn't to punish you for eating for the " wrong " reasons... taking the time to focus on eating makes hunger and fullness much harder to ignore. And makes eating for distraction much more difficult.

Hope this helps,

Abby

IE since 11/08

> I too can relate to all this. And the afternoon time zone and evening are

> both hard for me. Last week I woke up at 4am and was so hungry I couldn't> go back to sleep, so I ate something. That's the first time I ever did that> and I did not feel guilty. I honored that hunger. Right now I can tell I

> did not eat enough lunch because it has been less than an hour and I feel> famished. I think I will honor that hunger. I will have to get creative> about the evening too. Sandy> > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Debra Marcum wrote:

> >>>>>> Hi Divine2B,>>>> I can understand your struggle. I am a member of the " clean your plate>> club " as I was forced to eat as a child when I didn't want to. I too have

>> trouble stopping eating when I am full - the food tastes good and I want to>> enjoy more of it - but that is a habit that has helped me over eat and weigh>> more than I want to. Then the guilt afterwards is simply not worth it.

>>>> I am an emotional eating and I have struggles in the afternoon from 3 pm>> until dinner and then again around 8:30. What works for me is to keep busy;>> iron, take a walk, garden, if you work, get up and walk around your floor or

>> go outside for a few meinutes. The evening is hard, and I have no advice to>> give on that - as a matter of fact, I could use some advice on that.>>>> Debra>> >>

May 25, 2011

Casey,

Are you saying , Unconsciously, in the back of our minds, we are more worried about not gaining weight, etc. rather then paying attention to mindful eating or slowing down when eating?

thanks, shoku> >>>>>> Hi Divine2B,>>>> I can understand your struggle. I am a member of the "clean your plate>> club" as I was forced to eat as a child when I didn't want to. I too have>> trouble stopping eating when I am full - the food tastes good and I want to>> enjoy more of it - but that is a habit that has helped me over eat and weigh>> more than I want to. Then the guilt afterwards is simply not worth it.>>>> I am an emotional eating and I have struggles in the afternoon from 3 pm>> until dinner and then again around 8:30. What works for me is to keep busy;>> iron, take a walk, garden, if you work, get up and walk around your floor or>> go outside for a few meinutes. The evening is hard, and I have no advice to>> give on that -

as a matter of fact, I could use some advice on that.>>>> Debra>> >>

May 25, 2011

I really did that in the beginning, writing down all the colors of the foods, smells, tastes, textures, likes and dislikes. It kept me focused on what I was eating. Maybe I could get back to that. Sandy

It has helped me to sit down at the table and not multitask when I eat. I find the appeal of eating when not hungry isn't there if I don't " get " to do something else while eating.

So maybe you can experiment with turning off the TV (or computer or radio, and closing the book or magazine) and sit at the table, and see if that doesn't help the eating for non-hunger reasons.

This isn't to punish you for eating for the " wrong " reasons... taking the time to focus on eating makes hunger and fullness much harder to ignore. And makes eating for distraction much more difficult.

Hope this helps,

Abby

IE since 11/08

> I too can relate to all this. And the afternoon time zone and evening are

> both hard for me. Last week I woke up at 4am and was so hungry I couldn't> go back to sleep, so I ate something. That's the first time I ever did that> and I did not feel guilty. I honored that hunger. Right now I can tell I

> did not eat enough lunch because it has been less than an hour and I feel> famished. I think I will honor that hunger. I will have to get creative> about the evening too. Sandy> > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Debra Marcum wrote:

> >>>>>> Hi Divine2B,>>>> I can understand your struggle. I am a member of the " clean your plate>> club " as I was forced to eat as a child when I didn't want to. I too have

>> trouble stopping eating when I am full - the food tastes good and I want to>> enjoy more of it - but that is a habit that has helped me over eat and weigh>> more than I want to. Then the guilt afterwards is simply not worth it.

>>>> I am an emotional eating and I have struggles in the afternoon from 3 pm>> until dinner and then again around 8:30. What works for me is to keep busy;>> iron, take a walk, garden, if you work, get up and walk around your floor or

>> go outside for a few meinutes. The evening is hard, and I have no advice to>> give on that - as a matter of fact, I could use some advice on that.>>>> Debra>> >>

May 25, 2011

Shoku,What I'm saying--and this is in reference to my own experience, not what I've seen or heard anyone else say--is that some mindful eating techniques can start to feel too cumbersome, or carry a negative connotation with them because they feel like a job or a task, or a way to " modify our behavior " instead of working with our natural inclinations. I think if something feels like behavior modification, or like a punishment, then it can feel like what it's really trying to do is prevent so called " bad " eating behavior. And thus even become something to rebel against.

Again, I think much can be gained and learned from trying some of these things out. I learned a lot about myself from really focusing on my mindfulness and other things like that. But I've also learned what does and doesn't work for me. Like eating at the table with music on--I have enjoyed doing this, but very rarely do it now (I usually eat in front of the TV and don't see a problem with this) because often times it feels like a chore, like something I " should " be doing, and IE should never be about measuring yourself against an ideal in any sense of the word.

So, I guess to answer your question. In short, I think that it can become either about managing weight OR about being mindful, but neither of these things are very good goals. I think the best goal to to try and find the most satisfaction from food while we're eating it.

I'm sorry if I'm not making sense. Sometimes I talk or write myself in circles. Let me know if there's a better way I can clarify.Thanks,Casey

Sandy-sometimes I know I overeat " in case " because I worry it will be a long time before I will be in a position to eat again (which is really a personal lie because I ALWAYS have access to food), but it's the mentality that " i need to prevent being hungry in an hour " that pushes me past my hunger limits.

Debra, I can completely relate to what you said about being a member of the " clean your plate club "

AND that it's hard to stop eating because the food tastes good and I want to enjoy more of it - but you are right that this indulgent habit is just a temporary pleasrue that leaves me feeling empty, not satisfied.

I need to remember that I choose to honor my hunger and fullness, not because Ihave to, but because I want to do what is right for me and what makes me feel good. You are right -the guilt after overeating is simply not worth it.

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> >

> > Hi Divine2B,

> >

> > I can understand your struggle. I am a member of the " clean your plate

> > club " as I was forced to eat as a child when I didn't want to. I too have

> > trouble stopping eating when I am full - the food tastes good and I want to

> > enjoy more of it - but that is a habit that has helped me over eat and weigh

> > more than I want to. Then the guilt afterwards is simply not worth it.

> >

> > I am an emotional eating and I have struggles in the afternoon from 3 pm

> > until dinner and then again around 8:30. What works for me is to keep busy;

> > iron, take a walk, garden, if you work, get up and walk around your floor or

> > go outside for a few meinutes. The evening is hard, and I have no advice to

> > give on that - as a matter of fact, I could use some advice on that.

> >

> > Debra

> >

>

May 25, 2011

Thanks. It helped me look at hat has been bothering me. I think I have gotten into behavior modification and diet mentality again, and I don't know how to get out. I thought I was really doing well at first but things changed when I found myself " having " to report to someone else. It's bringing up all sorts of hidden issues for me, like not being fully truthful and not writing down what I ate when and the feelings, moods, and thoughts I have at the time. I can see perhaps that this will be very beneficial but right now it feels restrictive and I am rebelling. Sandy