Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 on 12/28/00 3:25 PM, Pierre Fontaine at pierre14@... wrote: > For the time being, I connect to the internet once every 10 days to check my > mail from the Group. > > I came up with the following Medline Abstract which dispells any notion that > by diet alone a patient can control or reduce his rheumatic disease. I thought > I would share it with you because some people say otherwise and give a > reference that does not check out. Rheumatic diseases are initiated, if not > maintained, by multiple bacteria, mycoplasma and, in some cases, virus > infections that no diet will ever cure. Take your antibiotics and, if > appropriate, your antiviral agents. This may or may not be true. No one study is ever definitive on any matter. I don't believe anyone who does such research would draw such a sweeping conclusion based upon a single study. Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Hi Pierre, and others I don't read this group so often now? why? Because I have almost no more problem with my aches. Why is that? Primarily because of my diet - an anti-Klebsiella diet, which is completely starch-free. I've been taking Minocin since last July, but I started the diet in February last year, and had already seen great improvement by April, to the extent that I was able to drop ALL anti-inflammatories. I haven't had one since. This paper is clearly a load of rubbish. I can say that with great certainty, because I know from my own experience. In addition, it flies in the face of Dr. Ebringer's research, and others. If I eat something starchy, I know it the following night, when my pains wake me up. I will then have pain for a week or so. Maybe the writers of the paper you cite would like to examine me? Maybe I'm not typical, but then nor is my sister, who followed a starch-free diet for 8 years (no antibiotics), and got rid of her AS altogether (it's supposed to be " incurable " ). What do the authors of this article say is an " anti-klebsiella diet " ? The abstract doesn't say - maybe they got the wrong diet! If you need a reference that " checks out " , see: http://www.kickas.org/asdiet.shtml And make sure you've got your scientific head on - it's a very scholarly article. I strongly suggest that anyone who doubts the power of the right diet read this article. Regards, > Hi everyone, > > > For the time being, I connect to the internet once every 10 days to check my > mail from the Group. > > I came up with the following Medline Abstract which dispells any notion that > by diet alone a patient can control or reduce his rheumatic disease. I thought > I would share it with you because some people say otherwise and give a > reference that does not check out. Rheumatic diseases are initiated, if not > maintained, by multiple bacteria, mycoplasma and, in some cases, virus > infections that no diet will ever cure. Take your antibiotics and, if > appropriate, your antiviral agents. > > Merry Christmas and, as we say in Quebec, > Best of Health in the year to come, > > > Pierre > Ankylosing Spondylitis, 20-22 Years > Antibiotics, 28 Months > > ======================= > > > Authors > Shinebaum R. Neumann V. Hopkins R. Cooke EM. V. > Title > Attempt to modify klebsiella carriage in ankylosing spondylitic patients by > diet: correlation of klebsiella carriage with disease activity. > Source > ls of the Rheumatic Diseases. 43(2):196-9, 1984 Apr. > Abstract > Patients with ankylosing spondylitis were asked to follow a 'klebsiella > exclusion diet' for 5 months of a 10-month study. The same percentage of > faecal samples were positive for klebsiella whether the patients were on or > off the experimental diet. The diet also failed to influence variability of > klebsiella serotypes. We found no correlation between acquisition of > klebsiella and deterioration of disease symptoms, as recorded by the patients. > Furthermore, carriage of klebsiella did not correlate with any of the > following parameters of disease activity measured in the outpatient clinic: > morning stiffness, pain measured on a visual analogue scale, analgesic > consumption, ESR, total serum IgA. We found no evidence, therefore, that > faecal klebsiella is involved in disease exacerbations of ankylosing > spondylitis. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Hi - I am glad you have had such good results. Is it possible that it is the combination of minocin and diet that has helped you. Are you still taking minocin? The people in the study were not taking an antibiotic - maybe that was what was needed to kick start the effectiveness of the diet by reducing the initial Klebsiella burden in the gut. Barbara " D. Shaw " wrote: > Hi Pierre, and others > > I don't read this group so often now? why? Because I have almost no more > problem with my aches. Why is that? Primarily because of my diet - an > anti-Klebsiella diet, which is completely starch-free. I've been taking > Minocin since last July, but I started the diet in February last year, and > had already seen great improvement by April, to the extent that I was able to > drop ALL anti-inflammatories. I haven't had one since. > > This paper is clearly a load of rubbish. I can say that with great certainty, > because I know from my own experience. In addition, it flies in the face of > Dr. Ebringer's research, and others. If I eat something starchy, I know it > the following night, when my pains wake me up. I will then have pain for a > week or so. Maybe the writers of the paper you cite would like to examine me? > Maybe I'm not typical, but then nor is my sister, who followed a starch-free > diet for 8 years (no antibiotics), and got rid of her AS altogether (it's > supposed to be " incurable " ). > > What do the authors of this article say is an " anti-klebsiella diet " ? The > abstract doesn't say - maybe they got the wrong diet! > > If you need a reference that " checks out " , see: > http://www.kickas.org/asdiet.shtml > > And make sure you've got your scientific head on - it's a very scholarly > article. I strongly suggest that anyone who doubts the power of the right > diet read this article. > > Regards, > > > Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 On Sunday 28 January 2001 23:25, Barbara wrote: >>Hi - I am glad you have had such good results. Is it possible that it > is the combination of minocin and diet that has helped you. Are you still > taking minocin? The people in the study were not taking an antibiotic - > maybe that was what was needed to kick start the effectiveness of the diet > by reducing the initial Klebsiella burden in the gut. Yes, it is almost certain that a combination of diet and Minocin has helped me. Yes I'm still taking Minocin, but I did it the other way around to what you assume - I started the diet 6 months before I started the Minocin. I was already much better (say 90% better) when I started Minocin, but I was looking for (a) 100% improvement and ( something that would allow me to eat what I wanted again. I've now been on the diet for 1 year (this week) and Minocin for 6 months (last Saturday I think). Minocin has upped the improvement to 95%, but has not allowed me to give up the diet. If I try to do that, I get the pains back again. In short, I'd say that the diet has (so far had) a much more dramatic effect than the Minocin, but I hope that the Minocin will complete its job in a year or so (as is reported by many) and then I can eat what I like again, whilst quite probably staying on a maintenance dose. Regards, > " D. Shaw " wrote: >> Hi Pierre, and others >> >> I don't read this group so often now? why? Because I have almost no more >> problem with my aches. Why is that? Primarily because of my diet - an >> anti-Klebsiella diet, which is completely starch-free. I've been taking >> Minocin since last July, but I started the diet in February last year, and >> had already seen great improvement by April, to the extent that I was able >> to drop ALL anti-inflammatories. I haven't had one since. >> >> This paper is clearly a load of rubbish. I can say that with great >> certainty, because I know from my own experience. In addition, it flies in >> the face of Dr. Ebringer's research, and others. If I eat something >> starchy, I know it the following night, when my pains wake me up. I will >> then have pain for a week or so. Maybe the writers of the paper you cite >> would like to examine me? Maybe I'm not typical, but then nor is my >> sister, who followed a starch-free diet for 8 years (no antibiotics), and >> got rid of her AS altogether (it's supposed to be " incurable " ). >> >> What do the authors of this article say is an " anti-klebsiella diet " ? The >> abstract doesn't say - maybe they got the wrong diet! >> >> If you need a reference that " checks out " , see: >> http://www.kickas.org/asdiet.shtml >> >> And make sure you've got your scientific head on - it's a very scholarly >> article. I strongly suggest that anyone who doubts the power of the right >> diet read this article. >> >> Regards, >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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