Re: chewing and spitting

[Guest guest]

Yes, Sandy, I have had the fear of making sure I finish the food because it's so good or I don't want to waste it. But I see that is not a fear conducive to my wellbeing. I am working on letting the food go. Realizing there will be a next time, and food that is not good for nutrition (such as when I'm overeating) is junk. It's taking time. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:36 PMSubject: Re: chewing and spitting

Tai, That's an interesting point of view and I can relate because I eat way too fast. Not sure I can identify my fullness until I am over full. I also have this "fear" that if I don't eat enough I will be hungry in an hour. I've been judging that to be "wrong" and I "should" wait more time before I eat. I think I have eaten "by the clock" for so long it is hard to change that mentality. Sandy

I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm eating too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That might be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because I tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tai.

 

Yes, Sandy, I have had the fear of making sure I finish the food because it's so good or I don't want to waste it. But I see that is not a fear conducive to my wellbeing. I am working on letting the food go. Realizing there will be a next time, and food that is not good for nutrition (such as when I'm overeating) is junk. It's taking time. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:36 PM

Subject: Re: chewing and spitting

 

Tai, That's an interesting point of view and I can relate because I eat way too fast.  Not sure I can identify my fullness until I am over full.  I also have this " fear " that if I don't eat enough I will be hungry in an hour.  I've been judging that to be " wrong " and I " should "   wait more time before I eat. I think I have eaten " by the clock " for so long it is hard to change that mentality.  Sandy

 

I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm eating too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That might be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because I tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: chewing and spitting

 

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, " would a " normal " eater do this? "

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any " normal " eater would do. 

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

I had an interesting experience with this. First, let me put this into context, I am trying to date, which is a horrifying experience that I don't wish upon anyone! I was feeling kind of down and a little angry about this when I became hungry. It was the last thing I ate at night, and I ate a piece of walnut bread with cream cheese. It was the last of the walnut bread and the cream cheese both (it was an artisan bread, and a high quality fresh cream cheese - not inexpensive), and I intended to finish it, but about 2/3 of the way through I realized I was full. And there was no mistake about it, I knew it! And then I became a little angry about it because I knew that I should stop. I intended to eat it anyway, and didn't want to waste it. And then I made a decision to honor my fullness, and that made me angry too.

I realize in retrospect, that I was projecting my feelings about dating onto my food situation. I would have been angry if I'd eaten it too. So, what I did, was put it in a plastic bag, and I ate that 1/3 piece in the morning. It really hit the spot that morning. It was a really positive learning experience for me.Rain

I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm eating too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That might be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because I tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

I had an interesting experience with this. First, let me put this into context, I am trying to date, which is a horrifying experience that I don't wish upon anyone! I was feeling kind of down and a little angry about this when I became hungry. It was the last thing I ate at night, and I ate a piece of walnut bread with cream cheese. It was the last of the walnut bread and the cream cheese both (it was an artisan bread, and a high quality fresh cream cheese - not inexpensive), and I intended to finish it, but about 2/3 of the way through I realized I was full. And there was no mistake about it, I knew it! And then I became a little angry about it because I knew that I should stop. I intended to eat it anyway, and didn't want to waste it. And then I made a decision to honor my fullness, and that made me angry too.

I realize in retrospect, that I was projecting my feelings about dating onto my food situation. I would have been angry if I'd eaten it too. So, what I did, was put it in a plastic bag, and I ate that 1/3 piece in the morning. It really hit the spot that morning. It was a really positive learning experience for me.Rain

I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm eating too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That might be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because I tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

I agree with doing it that way Tai. I've spit out something that just didn't taste good to me. I've never spit otu that last bite once it was in my mouth though. That's part of my compulsive eating disorder though.

Sunny

Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

It's interesting, Sunny, that the one last bite is something I am willing to get rid of. I probably should have stopped eating before that, so I am going to be more mindful as I eat (esp. in restaurants). When you refer to your compulsive eating disorder, are you saying that you will eat more than what your body is saying about being full? Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 4:11 PMSubject: Re: chewing and spitting

I agree with doing it that way Tai. I've spit out something that just didn't taste good to me. I've never spit otu that last bite once it was in my mouth though. That's part of my compulsive eating disorder though.

Sunny

Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

Oh yes Tai! I will still eat things I am not really hungry for because of the compulsion to eat it. I rarely ever feel overly full these days (thanks to IE) but I will still eat more than I know I need. I can acknowledge that I am not longer hungry but justify that am not full either and keep eating. When i say Compulsive Eating disorder (for me) it has to do with the feeling of being compelled to eat something, because it's in front of me or because the thought of it pops into my head and won't leave. Being hungry or full has absolutely no bearing on this (again, for me). I can tell myself I don't need it...I don't want it...I know I shouldn't because I'm not hungry, etc....I can even tell myself it will make me sick, I have food allergies, rosacea triggers and am diabetic. None of these things matter in the least if the disorder takes over. However since I've been doing IE, since last Sept, I am having an easier time stopping myself after a much smaller amount than I would have eaten before IE. I am currently considering asking for help with the eating disorder. I never asked before because compulsive eating isn't one of the big disorders and I felt that professionals would think I was using it as an excuse to be fat. I have had doctors and nurses both treat me like I just don't try hard enough, that I'm lazy, or a glutton. I've also had them tell me my medical complaints have to do with my weight and have had to beg to have them actually treat the problems instead of dismissing them because I'm fat.

Sunny

Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

Sunny, you are to be commended for your honest reply. I used to do the same as you. But you are on the right track, you are realizing you don't have to eat too too much beyond the point of fullness. That is major progress! As you get more comfortable with your body and your thought process, perhaps you will be able to comfortably stop when you feel the first sign of fullness. When that first happened to me I would often get hungry soon after, and so I would eat more, but it might have been 1/2 hour later than the big meal. There comes a point when you'll stop if you keep thinking about it, and understanding your body mechanisms. I believe that. Now I think about my stomach rather than my head, but there are times that my head impels me to eat. It gets lesser and lesser, though. Tonight I wanted

something sweet after dinner, but I was very, very tired and so went to sleep for a few hours. Then I woke up and the sweet desire passed, but I thought maybe I'll eat something. I went to the refrigerator, opened the door and was just about to take something when the thought hit me that my stomach was not hungry. So I did not eat and drank some diet Coke instead. I do need to exercise more, that would put me thinking I'm in the normal category, lol. Talk to you later. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:59 PMSubject: Re: chewing and spitting

Oh yes Tai! I will still eat things I am not really hungry for because of the compulsion to eat it. I rarely ever feel overly full these days (thanks to IE) but I will still eat more than I know I need. I can acknowledge that I am not longer hungry but justify that am not full either and keep eating. When i say Compulsive Eating disorder (for me) it has to do with the feeling of being compelled to eat something, because it's in front of me or because the thought of it pops into my head and won't leave. Being hungry or full has absolutely no bearing on this (again, for me). I can tell myself I don't need it...I don't want it...I know I shouldn't because I'm not hungry, etc....I can even tell myself it will make me sick, I have food allergies, rosacea triggers and am diabetic. None of these things matter in the least if the disorder takes over. However since I've been doing IE, since last

Sept, I am having an easier time stopping myself after a much smaller amount than I would have eaten before IE. I am currently considering asking for help with the eating disorder. I never asked before because compulsive eating isn't one of the big disorders and I felt that professionals would think I was using it as an excuse to be fat. I have had doctors and nurses both treat me like I just don't try hard enough, that I'm lazy, or a glutton. I've also had them tell me my medical complaints have to do with my weight and have had to beg to have them actually treat the problems instead of dismissing them because I'm fat.

Sunny

[Guest guest]

chewing and spitting can be as bad as a binge or as bad as provoking vomit or

any other cumplusive behavior.When do we see it as good instead of bad? I would

say for me, it is ok to chew and spit if I had already eaten to meet fullness

level and as I chew, I realize that I dont need it anymore. or if i taste

something that is just not good so as it is not satisfying my taste, I choose

not too eat it.

Other than that, chewing and spitting just to take the taste of something, is as

bad as other bad eating behaviors.

As for me, I have been chewing and spitting a lot lately for ONE reason: 7th

month of pregnancy almost ending and I feel full very easily and I am having a

hard time knowing what is it that I really want to eat. So I taste something,

realize that it is not what i wanted and out

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> > I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a

> > general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because

> > I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful

> > that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm eating

> > too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That might

> > be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because I

> > tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

> >

> > *From:* Abigail Wolfson

> >

> > *To:* IntuitiveEating_Support

> > *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

> >

> > *Subject:* Re: chewing and spitting

> >

> >

> > I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with

> > eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else,

> > and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider

> > should label her behavior.

> >

> > (i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand

> > i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

> >

> > however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the

> > last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we

> > are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent,

> > and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, " would a " normal "

> > eater do this? "

> >

> > to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is

> > a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

> >

> > i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and

> > fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and

> > spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

> >

> > and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't

> > want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would

> > spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just

> > too spicy. this seems likes something any " normal " eater would do.

> >

> > best,

> >

> > abby

> > IE since 11/08

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Sunny and I am not diagnosing anyone with an ED but ED clinics

do address this when they do their diagnosis

>

>

> I've been giving this subject some thought and now I have questions. I'm no

eating disorder expert by any means but it sure seems to me that chewing and

spitting is a pretty big indicator of an eating disorder that needs some

therapy. I don't mean this to sound harsh really. I see this behavior as

" bulimia lite " . What is the difference between chewing something and spitting

it , and binging and purging? Not much, except that you don't need to force

yourself to vomit if you spit it before swallowing. I can't imagine this would

be something you could do in public or even in front of anyone else, so you'd

have to do this in private, which again is a huge indicator of a serious eating

disorder. I think this practice is just as serious as Bulimia, anorexia and

compulsive overeating and needs to be treated as such.

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> Sunny

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> chewing and spitting

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> I have been doing IE for several months, I started it several years ago and

now am finally ready for it. The ONE problem I have with it is chewing and

spitting. I chew food up and spit it out. How does that incorporate into IE?

There is suppose to be no rules so should I say NO chewing and spitting or

should I continue to do it? It is only sometimes. I let myself have chocolate

and candy but when I want a TON i chew and spit it out instead of eating a ton

cause then my stomach would hurt. It seems like with IE that people realize they

dont want the food because of how it makes them feel. I have kind of avoided the

bad feelings and stomach pains with chewing and spitting. What should I do?

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Sunny and I am not diagnosing anyone with an ED but ED clinics

do address this when they do their diagnosis

>

>

> I've been giving this subject some thought and now I have questions. I'm no

eating disorder expert by any means but it sure seems to me that chewing and

spitting is a pretty big indicator of an eating disorder that needs some

therapy. I don't mean this to sound harsh really. I see this behavior as

" bulimia lite " . What is the difference between chewing something and spitting

it , and binging and purging? Not much, except that you don't need to force

yourself to vomit if you spit it before swallowing. I can't imagine this would

be something you could do in public or even in front of anyone else, so you'd

have to do this in private, which again is a huge indicator of a serious eating

disorder. I think this practice is just as serious as Bulimia, anorexia and

compulsive overeating and needs to be treated as such.

>

> Sunny

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> chewing and spitting

>

>

>

> I have been doing IE for several months, I started it several years ago and

now am finally ready for it. The ONE problem I have with it is chewing and

spitting. I chew food up and spit it out. How does that incorporate into IE?

There is suppose to be no rules so should I say NO chewing and spitting or

should I continue to do it? It is only sometimes. I let myself have chocolate

and candy but when I want a TON i chew and spit it out instead of eating a ton

cause then my stomach would hurt. It seems like with IE that people realize they

dont want the food because of how it makes them feel. I have kind of avoided the

bad feelings and stomach pains with chewing and spitting. What should I do?

>

[Guest guest]

For me chewing and spitting it out beats swallowing it. It's a babystep of

really intuiting/feeling that I don't want to send any more product down to my

liver (sharing ribcage space with oxygen-starved lungs, uhoh!) It's the moment

when the adult me and the child me integrate. Unfortunately, it's not " within

full view of others " (Geneen Roth)--it's a sneaky habit.

So the plan is to have those moments (of self-care/integration) in a more

socially-acceptable way like keeping the food on the plate/table, using my hands

instead of my mouth, to care for myself. letting my hands be part of my

intuition. )

I remember my dad (I have his nervous oral energy) chewing on dried licorice

root to quit smoking. It releases some nice herbal healthy flavor, probably

cleans your teeth?

Foggy

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> > > **

> > >

> > > I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a

> > > general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because

> > > I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful

> > > that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm

eating

> > > too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That

might

> > > be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because

I

> > > tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

> > >

> > > *From:* Abigail Wolfson <abigail.wolfson@>

> > >

> > > *To:* IntuitiveEating_Support

> > > *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

> > >

> > > *Subject:* Re: chewing and spitting

> > >

> > >

> > > I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with

> > > eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone

else,

> > > and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider

> > > should label her behavior.

> > >

> > > (i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand

> > > i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

> > >

> > > however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the

> > > last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food

we

> > > are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less

violent,

> > > and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, " would a " normal "

> > > eater do this? "

> > >

> > > to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this

is

> > > a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

> > >

> > > i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and

> > > fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating

and

> > > spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

> > >

> > > and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't

> > > want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would

> > > spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or

just

> > > too spicy. this seems likes something any " normal " eater would do.

> > >

> > > best,

> > >

> > > abby

> > > IE since 11/08

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

For me chewing and spitting it out beats swallowing it. It's a babystep of

really intuiting/feeling that I don't want to send any more product down to my

liver (sharing ribcage space with oxygen-starved lungs, uhoh!) It's the moment

when the adult me and the child me integrate. Unfortunately, it's not " within

full view of others " (Geneen Roth)--it's a sneaky habit.

So the plan is to have those moments (of self-care/integration) in a more

socially-acceptable way like keeping the food on the plate/table, using my hands

instead of my mouth, to care for myself. letting my hands be part of my

intuition. )

I remember my dad (I have his nervous oral energy) chewing on dried licorice

root to quit smoking. It releases some nice herbal healthy flavor, probably

cleans your teeth?

Foggy

> > >

> > > **

> > >

> > > I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a

> > > general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because

> > > I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful

> > > that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm

eating

> > > too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That

might

> > > be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because

I

> > > tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

> > >

> > > *From:* Abigail Wolfson <abigail.wolfson@>

> > >

> > > *To:* IntuitiveEating_Support

> > > *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

> > >

> > > *Subject:* Re: chewing and spitting

> > >

> > >

> > > I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with

> > > eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone

else,

> > > and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider

> > > should label her behavior.

> > >

> > > (i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand

> > > i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

> > >

> > > however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the

> > > last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food

we

> > > are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less

violent,

> > > and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, " would a " normal "

> > > eater do this? "

> > >

> > > to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this

is

> > > a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

> > >

> > > i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and

> > > fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating

and

> > > spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

> > >

> > > and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't

> > > want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would

> > > spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or

just

> > > too spicy. this seems likes something any " normal " eater would do.

> > >

> > > best,

> > >

> > > abby

> > > IE since 11/08

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Rain, it gets to be a liberating experience when you can put that little piece of food away. :-) Good going, girl! TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 4:05 PMSubject: Re: chewing and spitting

I had an interesting experience with this. First, let me put this into context, I am trying to date, which is a horrifying experience that I don't wish upon anyone! I was feeling kind of down and a little angry about this when I became hungry. It was the last thing I ate at night, and I ate a piece of walnut bread with cream cheese. It was the last of the walnut bread and the cream cheese both (it was an artisan bread, and a high quality fresh cream cheese - not inexpensive), and I intended to finish it, but about 2/3 of the way through I realized I was full. And there was no mistake about it, I knew it! And then I became a little angry about it because I knew that I should stop. I intended to eat it anyway, and didn't want to waste it. And then I made a decision to honor my fullness, and that made me

angry too.

I realize in retrospect, that I was projecting my feelings about dating onto my food situation. I would have been angry if I'd eaten it too. So, what I did, was put it in a plastic bag, and I ate that 1/3 piece in the morning. It really hit the spot that morning. It was a really positive learning experience for me.Rain

I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm eating too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That might be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because I tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08

[Guest guest]

Yes, Rain, it gets to be a liberating experience when you can put that little piece of food away. :-) Good going, girl! TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 4:05 PMSubject: Re: chewing and spitting

I had an interesting experience with this. First, let me put this into context, I am trying to date, which is a horrifying experience that I don't wish upon anyone! I was feeling kind of down and a little angry about this when I became hungry. It was the last thing I ate at night, and I ate a piece of walnut bread with cream cheese. It was the last of the walnut bread and the cream cheese both (it was an artisan bread, and a high quality fresh cream cheese - not inexpensive), and I intended to finish it, but about 2/3 of the way through I realized I was full. And there was no mistake about it, I knew it! And then I became a little angry about it because I knew that I should stop. I intended to eat it anyway, and didn't want to waste it. And then I made a decision to honor my fullness, and that made me

angry too.

I realize in retrospect, that I was projecting my feelings about dating onto my food situation. I would have been angry if I'd eaten it too. So, what I did, was put it in a plastic bag, and I ate that 1/3 piece in the morning. It really hit the spot that morning. It was a really positive learning experience for me.Rain

I agree, Abby, and I do not chew something only to savor the flavor on a general basis and then spit it out because I don't want to eat it because I'm afraid I'll gain weight. I realize when i'm taking that last mouthful that I'm thoroughly full, maybe this says something about me that I'm eating too quickly because I should have known I'm not hungry any more. That might be a matter of concern and something I need to be more mindful of, because I tend to be a fast eater. Thank you. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: chewing and spitting

I think we need to be very careful to avoid diagnosing others with eating disorders! that could feel very, very uncomfortable for someone else, and not respectful of her boundaries. only she or her health care provider should label her behavior.

(i do know that it only came from a place of concern, so please understand i'm not criticizing anyone here, just advising caution.)

however, i do have some concerns... i've been thinking about this for the last day. if we do things so that we don't feel the consequences of food we are ingesting, be it purging or just spitting (certainly a lot less violent, and not dangerous), it does seem... well, ask yourself, "would a "normal" eater do this?"

to me, i would think not. so i would advise against it. but i think this is a matter might be worthy of a discussion with a therapist or nutritionist.

i think part of eating intuitively is learning to recognize our hunger and fullness... and then, learning to respect and honor them. to me, eating and spitting out the food is contrary to this process.

and tai, i think spitting out one mouthful because you realize you don't want it is an entirely different thing, and is FINE. just like you would spit something out ONCE if you didn't like the taste, be it spoiled or just too spicy. this seems likes something any "normal" eater would do.

best,

abby

IE since 11/08