Re: flex points & not a happy camper...

[Guest guest]

Okay Bev, you had ONE gain. Relax. You're looking to point the finger and

blame something, which is only natural. The truth is, it could have been

anything.

First of all, an increase in calories will not necessarily translate into a

gain that weigh in.

Second of all, flex points are not THAT many more calories in a week...and

no one says you have to eat them all. They are not WWers way of keeping

anyone paying longer. They are simply another way to manage your points. All

that REALLY happend with points is WWers added 2 points per day. Other than

that those flex points are really just five points a day that you can use or

bank, just like before.

If you're earning lots of APs maybe you need to eat more. Maybe you need to

eat less. Instead of getting angry, evaluate your week and plan some changes

for the next and see the results. Don't stress over a single gain. I know,

it's easy for me to say, but truly it's nothing. Could be related to

anything...possibly not even RELATED to the extra points you ate this week.

~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'

Tory Klementsen, MCP A+

Career and Technology Educator

www.teechur.com

www.msteechur.com

-The successful person will do the things that the unsuccessful person will

not.

> flex points & not a happy camper...

>

>

> Hi everyone,

> Im ticked off. Anybody wanna know why??

>

> After my first full week on the Flex Points (ugh don't even MENTION

> FLEX POINTS to me) I report, with sickened heart, that I've GAINED

> 1.4 dern pounds...

> Thinking that it would help me break this plateau I've been fighting

> since the end of May, I used all of my Flex points, but did so early

> in my week, so I didn't " cram " them all in a few days before WI. I

> actually earned 24 AP's (which I didn't eat)by race-walking 4 miles

> each day 2 miles morning & 2 miles evening, and suffered 2 dreadful

> bouts of " sorry but I can't get more than 2 feet from my potty " . I

> drank PLENTY of water, and most of my coffee is now decaf. NO sodas,

> either. Technically I should have been " cleaned out " LOL, so WHAT THE

> HECK HAPPENED???

>

> I actually told my WW leader that I thought the 35 flex pts were WW's

> way of keeping us paying longer! (she didn't think I was funny) but

> then, I wasn't laughing myself...

>

> Honestly I think telling us we have 35 pts to " play " with, is just

> asking for trouble for me.

>

> SO, this week, Im eating my 22 target points, and using my 35 " flex "

> pts area to mark off my AP's and I will DIE before I use those dang

> flex pts.

>

> Bev (SEETHING mad here in FAT-CHICK CITY)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you lost two pounds of fat and gained 3.4 pounds of leg muscle? Did

you measure yourself as well?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: T Klementsen

>

> Could be related to anything...possibly not even RELATED to the extra

points you ate

> this week.

> >

> > After my first full week on the Flex Points (ugh don't even MENTION

> > FLEX POINTS to me) I report, with sickened heart, that I've GAINED

> > 1.4 dern pounds...

> > I actually earned 24 AP's (which I didn't eat)by race-walking 4 miles

> > each day 2 miles morning & 2 miles evening,

[Guest guest]

Oh Bev... *hugs*... I'm sorry for your gain. I had a 1 pound gain my first

week on the FlexPoints too. I'm hoping it's just our bodies getting used to

the new plan but I have no idea. Good luck to you next weigh-in. Hang in

there!

~ O~

272/239.8/172

flex points & not a happy camper...

> Hi everyone,

> Im ticked off. Anybody wanna know why??

>

> After my first full week on the Flex Points (ugh don't even MENTION

> FLEX POINTS to me) I report, with sickened heart, that I've GAINED

> 1.4 dern pounds...

[Guest guest]

Oh Bev... *hugs*... I'm sorry for your gain. I had a 1 pound gain my first

week on the FlexPoints too. I'm hoping it's just our bodies getting used to

the new plan but I have no idea. Good luck to you next weigh-in. Hang in

there!

~ O~

272/239.8/172

flex points & not a happy camper...

> Hi everyone,

> Im ticked off. Anybody wanna know why??

>

> After my first full week on the Flex Points (ugh don't even MENTION

> FLEX POINTS to me) I report, with sickened heart, that I've GAINED

> 1.4 dern pounds...

[Guest guest]

I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

body.

" Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat points.

The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been going

by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF YOU ADD

POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just the way

your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself weekly to

ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the next

week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose. It was

nothing more than a tool.

Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a class,

it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to me. When

I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level (except this

week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

works and I prefer to go with it.

[Guest guest]

I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

body.

" Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat points.

The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been going

by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF YOU ADD

POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just the way

your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself weekly to

ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the next

week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose. It was

nothing more than a tool.

Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a class,

it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to me. When

I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level (except this

week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

works and I prefer to go with it.

[Guest guest]

I believe that WW devised a plan that they felt would work. I also think

they feel that most will lose weight even if they eat all their flex points

every week otherwise why allow them?. I also think some folks are throwing

in the towel way too quickly. Give it a chance to work folks before you

declare it a failure. I started using the flex plan several months ago when

it was first discussed on Dotties board. I continually lost and I ate all my

flex points every week plus 2 activity points per day. Anyway that's my

opinion.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

actually, Tory, it's been gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, since

May. Im so disgusted! I've been right at 46/48 lbs gone since then.

I'd really hoped this Flex thing would work as a Wendi type plan, but

not for me.

I'll give it another week though, since Im notorious for having a

good week/bad week thing going.

Bev

> Okay Bev, you had ONE gain. Relax. You're looking to point the

finger and

> blame something, which is only natural. The truth is, it could have

been

> anything.

>

> First of all, an increase in calories will not necessarily

translate into a

> gain that weigh in.

>

> Second of all, flex points are not THAT many more calories in a

week...and

> no one says you have to eat them all. They are not WWers way of

keeping

> anyone paying longer. They are simply another way to manage your

points. All

> that REALLY happend with points is WWers added 2 points per day.

Other than

> that those flex points are really just five points a day that you

can use or

> bank, just like before.

>

> If you're earning lots of APs maybe you need to eat more. Maybe you

need to

> eat less. Instead of getting angry, evaluate your week and plan

some changes

> for the next and see the results. Don't stress over a single gain.

I know,

> it's easy for me to say, but truly it's nothing. Could be related to

> anything...possibly not even RELATED to the extra points you ate

this week.

>

> ~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'

> Tory Klementsen, MCP A+

> Career and Technology Educator

> www.teechur.com

> www.msteechur.com

> -The successful person will do the things that the unsuccessful

person will

> not.

>

> > flex points & not a happy

camper...

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > Im ticked off. Anybody wanna know why??

> >

> > After my first full week on the Flex Points (ugh don't even

MENTION

> > FLEX POINTS to me) I report, with sickened heart, that I've GAINED

> > 1.4 dern pounds...

> > Thinking that it would help me break this plateau I've been

fighting

> > since the end of May, I used all of my Flex points, but did so

early

> > in my week, so I didn't " cram " them all in a few days before WI. I

> > actually earned 24 AP's (which I didn't eat)by race-walking 4

miles

> > each day 2 miles morning & 2 miles evening, and suffered 2

dreadful

> > bouts of " sorry but I can't get more than 2 feet from my potty " .

I

> > drank PLENTY of water, and most of my coffee is now decaf. NO

sodas,

> > either. Technically I should have been " cleaned out " LOL, so WHAT

THE

> > HECK HAPPENED???

> >

> > I actually told my WW leader that I thought the 35 flex pts were

WW's

> > way of keeping us paying longer! (she didn't think I was funny)

but

> > then, I wasn't laughing myself...

> >

> > Honestly I think telling us we have 35 pts to " play " with, is just

> > asking for trouble for me.

> >

> > SO, this week, Im eating my 22 target points, and using my

35 " flex "

> > pts area to mark off my AP's and I will DIE before I use those

dang

> > flex pts.

> >

> > Bev (SEETHING mad here in FAT-CHICK CITY)

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

actually, Tory, it's been gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, since

May. Im so disgusted! I've been right at 46/48 lbs gone since then.

I'd really hoped this Flex thing would work as a Wendi type plan, but

not for me.

I'll give it another week though, since Im notorious for having a

good week/bad week thing going.

Bev

> Okay Bev, you had ONE gain. Relax. You're looking to point the

finger and

> blame something, which is only natural. The truth is, it could have

been

> anything.

>

> First of all, an increase in calories will not necessarily

translate into a

> gain that weigh in.

>

> Second of all, flex points are not THAT many more calories in a

week...and

> no one says you have to eat them all. They are not WWers way of

keeping

> anyone paying longer. They are simply another way to manage your

points. All

> that REALLY happend with points is WWers added 2 points per day.

Other than

> that those flex points are really just five points a day that you

can use or

> bank, just like before.

>

> If you're earning lots of APs maybe you need to eat more. Maybe you

need to

> eat less. Instead of getting angry, evaluate your week and plan

some changes

> for the next and see the results. Don't stress over a single gain.

I know,

> it's easy for me to say, but truly it's nothing. Could be related to

> anything...possibly not even RELATED to the extra points you ate

this week.

>

> ~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'

> Tory Klementsen, MCP A+

> Career and Technology Educator

> www.teechur.com

> www.msteechur.com

> -The successful person will do the things that the unsuccessful

person will

> not.

>

> > flex points & not a happy

camper...

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > Im ticked off. Anybody wanna know why??

> >

> > After my first full week on the Flex Points (ugh don't even

MENTION

> > FLEX POINTS to me) I report, with sickened heart, that I've GAINED

> > 1.4 dern pounds...

> > Thinking that it would help me break this plateau I've been

fighting

> > since the end of May, I used all of my Flex points, but did so

early

> > in my week, so I didn't " cram " them all in a few days before WI. I

> > actually earned 24 AP's (which I didn't eat)by race-walking 4

miles

> > each day 2 miles morning & 2 miles evening, and suffered 2

dreadful

> > bouts of " sorry but I can't get more than 2 feet from my potty " .

I

> > drank PLENTY of water, and most of my coffee is now decaf. NO

sodas,

> > either. Technically I should have been " cleaned out " LOL, so WHAT

THE

> > HECK HAPPENED???

> >

> > I actually told my WW leader that I thought the 35 flex pts were

WW's

> > way of keeping us paying longer! (she didn't think I was funny)

but

> > then, I wasn't laughing myself...

> >

> > Honestly I think telling us we have 35 pts to " play " with, is just

> > asking for trouble for me.

> >

> > SO, this week, Im eating my 22 target points, and using my

35 " flex "

> > pts area to mark off my AP's and I will DIE before I use those

dang

> > flex pts.

> >

> > Bev (SEETHING mad here in FAT-CHICK CITY)

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

actually, Tory, it's been gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, since

May. Im so disgusted! I've been right at 46/48 lbs gone since then.

I'd really hoped this Flex thing would work as a Wendi type plan, but

not for me.

I'll give it another week though, since Im notorious for having a

good week/bad week thing going.

Bev

> Okay Bev, you had ONE gain. Relax. You're looking to point the

finger and

> blame something, which is only natural. The truth is, it could have

been

> anything.

>

> First of all, an increase in calories will not necessarily

translate into a

> gain that weigh in.

>

> Second of all, flex points are not THAT many more calories in a

week...and

> no one says you have to eat them all. They are not WWers way of

keeping

> anyone paying longer. They are simply another way to manage your

points. All

> that REALLY happend with points is WWers added 2 points per day.

Other than

> that those flex points are really just five points a day that you

can use or

> bank, just like before.

>

> If you're earning lots of APs maybe you need to eat more. Maybe you

need to

> eat less. Instead of getting angry, evaluate your week and plan

some changes

> for the next and see the results. Don't stress over a single gain.

I know,

> it's easy for me to say, but truly it's nothing. Could be related to

> anything...possibly not even RELATED to the extra points you ate

this week.

>

> ~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'

> Tory Klementsen, MCP A+

> Career and Technology Educator

> www.teechur.com

> www.msteechur.com

> -The successful person will do the things that the unsuccessful

person will

> not.

>

> > flex points & not a happy

camper...

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > Im ticked off. Anybody wanna know why??

> >

> > After my first full week on the Flex Points (ugh don't even

MENTION

> > FLEX POINTS to me) I report, with sickened heart, that I've GAINED

> > 1.4 dern pounds...

> > Thinking that it would help me break this plateau I've been

fighting

> > since the end of May, I used all of my Flex points, but did so

early

> > in my week, so I didn't " cram " them all in a few days before WI. I

> > actually earned 24 AP's (which I didn't eat)by race-walking 4

miles

> > each day 2 miles morning & 2 miles evening, and suffered 2

dreadful

> > bouts of " sorry but I can't get more than 2 feet from my potty " .

I

> > drank PLENTY of water, and most of my coffee is now decaf. NO

sodas,

> > either. Technically I should have been " cleaned out " LOL, so WHAT

THE

> > HECK HAPPENED???

> >

> > I actually told my WW leader that I thought the 35 flex pts were

WW's

> > way of keeping us paying longer! (she didn't think I was funny)

but

> > then, I wasn't laughing myself...

> >

> > Honestly I think telling us we have 35 pts to " play " with, is just

> > asking for trouble for me.

> >

> > SO, this week, Im eating my 22 target points, and using my

35 " flex "

> > pts area to mark off my AP's and I will DIE before I use those

dang

> > flex pts.

> >

> > Bev (SEETHING mad here in FAT-CHICK CITY)

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree.

Also, just think -- if we can't handle Flex Points, how on earth are we going to

handle maintenance? One of the reasons so many people (speaking from experience,

here) re-gain after reaching goal is because the " freedom " of being on

maintenance translates in their/our minds to " you can eat any- (and every-)

thing " . Wrong.

-:|:-

Lifetime WW since June 2001

148 / 124 / 124

----- Original Message -----

From: " T Klementsen "

.... Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your body.

.... I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds using

the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who limited my food

intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself weekly to ensure that if I

made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the next week. Weight Watchers

never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose. It was nothing more than a tool.

....

--------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I agree, Charlie. We have to give it a chance, tweak it a little to fit each

individual, but not be afraid.

If you consume all your flex points, you're still eating the same amount of

points that you would have, had you consumed the top of your range, on 123. So

it's NOT that big of a deal, really. It just sounds kind of overwhelming.

Oh,,,and for a funny....my leader last night kept saying we get 36 flex points.

Members would talk and say 35....and the leader kept saying 36. lol

I remember seeing the original post on Dotti's before it got pulled....and I had

printed it out, as well. So whatever happened to Linguini, the person who

posted it? I know Dotti banned all discussion on it until it was official...but

I felt bad for Linguini.

Lyn

RE: flex points & not a happy camper...

I believe that WW devised a plan that they felt would work. I also think

they feel that most will lose weight even if they eat all their flex points

every week otherwise why allow them?. I also think some folks are throwing

in the towel way too quickly. Give it a chance to work folks before you

declare it a failure. I started using the flex plan several months ago when

it was first discussed on Dotties board. I continually lost and I ate all my

flex points every week plus 2 activity points per day. Anyway that's my

opinion.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

I agree, Charlie. We have to give it a chance, tweak it a little to fit each

individual, but not be afraid.

If you consume all your flex points, you're still eating the same amount of

points that you would have, had you consumed the top of your range, on 123. So

it's NOT that big of a deal, really. It just sounds kind of overwhelming.

Oh,,,and for a funny....my leader last night kept saying we get 36 flex points.

Members would talk and say 35....and the leader kept saying 36. lol

I remember seeing the original post on Dotti's before it got pulled....and I had

printed it out, as well. So whatever happened to Linguini, the person who

posted it? I know Dotti banned all discussion on it until it was official...but

I felt bad for Linguini.

Lyn

RE: flex points & not a happy camper...

I believe that WW devised a plan that they felt would work. I also think

they feel that most will lose weight even if they eat all their flex points

every week otherwise why allow them?. I also think some folks are throwing

in the towel way too quickly. Give it a chance to work folks before you

declare it a failure. I started using the flex plan several months ago when

it was first discussed on Dotties board. I continually lost and I ate all my

flex points every week plus 2 activity points per day. Anyway that's my

opinion.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

I agree, Charlie. We have to give it a chance, tweak it a little to fit each

individual, but not be afraid.

If you consume all your flex points, you're still eating the same amount of

points that you would have, had you consumed the top of your range, on 123. So

it's NOT that big of a deal, really. It just sounds kind of overwhelming.

Oh,,,and for a funny....my leader last night kept saying we get 36 flex points.

Members would talk and say 35....and the leader kept saying 36. lol

I remember seeing the original post on Dotti's before it got pulled....and I had

printed it out, as well. So whatever happened to Linguini, the person who

posted it? I know Dotti banned all discussion on it until it was official...but

I felt bad for Linguini.

Lyn

RE: flex points & not a happy camper...

I believe that WW devised a plan that they felt would work. I also think

they feel that most will lose weight even if they eat all their flex points

every week otherwise why allow them?. I also think some folks are throwing

in the towel way too quickly. Give it a chance to work folks before you

declare it a failure. I started using the flex plan several months ago when

it was first discussed on Dotties board. I continually lost and I ate all my

flex points every week plus 2 activity points per day. Anyway that's my

opinion.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

>I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

>Moe

What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

per week, not the same.

Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

maintain too.

I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

Donna.Hrynkiw@...

Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

[Guest guest]

> Perhaps you lost two pounds of fat and gained 3.4 pounds of leg

muscle? Did

> you measure yourself as well?

>

OH , I DO love the way you think. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

I DO have some great calf muscles....

Bev

[Guest guest]

> Perhaps you lost two pounds of fat and gained 3.4 pounds of leg

muscle? Did

> you measure yourself as well?

>

OH , I DO love the way you think. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

I DO have some great calf muscles....

Bev

[Guest guest]

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat

them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes

into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points "

sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've

been going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is

just the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those

points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

Hey Tory,

I did increase my activity from 2 miles a day to 4 & race-walking

instead of just walking-walking. So instead of 20 minute miles, Im

doing 10 minute/12 minute miles. every day but Sunday.

Im not throwing in the towell on the Flex plan, but I DO think my WW

leader should have stressed the " you don't have to eat the Flex

points if you don't want to " instead she made it out to sound like

that was part of the plan, to eat them all, just not close to your

next weigh in. She actually said " eat 10 per day, for the first 2

days after your weigh in, then spread the other 15 out through the

week. Making it sound like we should incorporate them ALL in our

week. It's just TOOOOO much flexability for me personally.

and as for the tracker journal, heck, I've never been able to balance

my checkbook anyway, so Im probably cheating myself!!! (horribly math

challenged)

Bev

[Guest guest]

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat

them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes

into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points "

sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've

been going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is

just the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those

points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

Hey Tory,

I did increase my activity from 2 miles a day to 4 & race-walking

instead of just walking-walking. So instead of 20 minute miles, Im

doing 10 minute/12 minute miles. every day but Sunday.

Im not throwing in the towell on the Flex plan, but I DO think my WW

leader should have stressed the " you don't have to eat the Flex

points if you don't want to " instead she made it out to sound like

that was part of the plan, to eat them all, just not close to your

next weigh in. She actually said " eat 10 per day, for the first 2

days after your weigh in, then spread the other 15 out through the

week. Making it sound like we should incorporate them ALL in our

week. It's just TOOOOO much flexability for me personally.

and as for the tracker journal, heck, I've never been able to balance

my checkbook anyway, so Im probably cheating myself!!! (horribly math

challenged)

Bev

[Guest guest]

> Hey Tory,

> I did increase my activity from 2 miles a day to 4 & race-walking

> instead of just walking-walking. So instead of 20 minute miles, Im

> doing 10 minute/12 minute miles. every day but Sunday.

Very cool...doesn't it feel good? I don't know if you were athletic at a

previous time. I wasn't at all, so for me to get out and work out is just

giving me this amazing feeling of empowerment.

> Im not throwing in the towell on the Flex plan, but I DO think my WW

> leader should have stressed the " you don't have to eat the Flex

> points if you don't want to " instead she made it out to sound like

> that was part of the plan, to eat them all, just not close to your

> next weigh in. She actually said " eat 10 per day, for the first 2

> days after your weigh in, then spread the other 15 out through the

> week. Making it sound like we should incorporate them ALL in our

> week. It's just TOOOOO much flexability for me personally.

> and as for the tracker journal, heck, I've never been able to balance

> my checkbook anyway, so Im probably cheating myself!!! (horribly math

> challenged)

I never balance mine...I do online checking. If I want to spend I check the

balance online and go from there.

I can see the frustration. It seems strange that she'd make it sound like

you must eat them. I think you're right, she should have stressed to eat

them or not eat them, but make it a personal decision. Perhaps she could

have given a few scenarios when one might want to eat them, and when not.

Try not to get too frustrated, Bev. If every day you are making positive

strides towards health, you are doing an amazing job. That's one less day of

poor health and one more step towards goal. IT is maddening to not see the

weight come off, but remember all the other health benefits you're seeing

right now.

[Guest guest]

Totally agree Tory. In lot's of areas, people in the US have abdicated

personal responsibility - whether its' the folks who are suing Mcs'

for " making them fat " or the groups that feel they're " owed special

treatment " for whatever reason, this has become an epidemic in

this country.

Didn't mean to get political here, but just wanted to say I agree - we

have to take responsibility for own actions and not make excuses.

Mitch

T Klementsen wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

> points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been

> going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

> YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just

> the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

> I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

> full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

> using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

> limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself

> weekly to

> ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the

> next

> week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose.

> It was

> nothing more than a tool.

>

> Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

> success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

> Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a

> class,

> it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to

> me. When

> I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

>

> As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level

> (except this

> week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

> hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

> literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

> exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

> works and I prefer to go with it.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Totally agree Tory. In lot's of areas, people in the US have abdicated

personal responsibility - whether its' the folks who are suing Mcs'

for " making them fat " or the groups that feel they're " owed special

treatment " for whatever reason, this has become an epidemic in

this country.

Didn't mean to get political here, but just wanted to say I agree - we

have to take responsibility for own actions and not make excuses.

Mitch

T Klementsen wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

> points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been

> going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

> YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just

> the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

> I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

> full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

> using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

> limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself

> weekly to

> ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the

> next

> week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose.

> It was

> nothing more than a tool.

>

> Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

> success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

> Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a

> class,

> it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to

> me. When

> I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

>

> As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level

> (except this

> week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

> hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

> literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

> exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

> works and I prefer to go with it.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Totally agree Tory. In lot's of areas, people in the US have abdicated

personal responsibility - whether its' the folks who are suing Mcs'

for " making them fat " or the groups that feel they're " owed special

treatment " for whatever reason, this has become an epidemic in

this country.

Didn't mean to get political here, but just wanted to say I agree - we

have to take responsibility for own actions and not make excuses.

Mitch

T Klementsen wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

> points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been

> going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

> YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just

> the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

> I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

> full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

> using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

> limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself

> weekly to

> ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the

> next

> week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose.

> It was

> nothing more than a tool.

>

> Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

> success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

> Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a

> class,

> it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to

> me. When

> I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

>

> As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level

> (except this

> week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

> hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

> literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

> exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

> works and I prefer to go with it.

>

>

>

>