Re: flex points & not a happy camper...

[Guest guest]

Totally agree Tory. In lot's of areas, people in the US have abdicated

personal responsibility - whether its' the folks who are suing Mcs'

for " making them fat " or the groups that feel they're " owed special

treatment " for whatever reason, this has become an epidemic in

this country.

Didn't mean to get political here, but just wanted to say I agree - we

have to take responsibility for own actions and not make excuses.

Mitch

T Klementsen wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

> points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been

> going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

> YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just

> the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

> I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

> full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

> using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

> limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself

> weekly to

> ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the

> next

> week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose.

> It was

> nothing more than a tool.

>

> Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

> success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

> Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a

> class,

> it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to

> me. When

> I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

>

> As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level

> (except this

> week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

> hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

> literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

> exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

> works and I prefer to go with it.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Totally agree Tory. In lot's of areas, people in the US have abdicated

personal responsibility - whether its' the folks who are suing Mcs'

for " making them fat " or the groups that feel they're " owed special

treatment " for whatever reason, this has become an epidemic in

this country.

Didn't mean to get political here, but just wanted to say I agree - we

have to take responsibility for own actions and not make excuses.

Mitch

T Klementsen wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

> points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been

> going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

> YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just

> the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

> I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

> full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

> using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

> limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself

> weekly to

> ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the

> next

> week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose.

> It was

> nothing more than a tool.

>

> Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

> success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

> Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a

> class,

> it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to

> me. When

> I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

>

> As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level

> (except this

> week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

> hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

> literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

> exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

> works and I prefer to go with it.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Totally agree Tory. In lot's of areas, people in the US have abdicated

personal responsibility - whether its' the folks who are suing Mcs'

for " making them fat " or the groups that feel they're " owed special

treatment " for whatever reason, this has become an epidemic in

this country.

Didn't mean to get political here, but just wanted to say I agree - we

have to take responsibility for own actions and not make excuses.

Mitch

T Klementsen wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head, Mitch.

>

> Just because they points are there, doesn't mean you need to eat them.

>

> It's about self control and taking responsibility for what goes into your

> body.

>

> " Weight Watchers made me gain weight by giving me more flex points " sounds

> like something a 10 year old would say. Nobody is making anyone eat

> points.

>

> The thing to do is either keep going in the same direction you've been

> going

> by eating the same number of points, or play with it and realize IF

> YOU ADD

> POINTS YOU MAY VERY WELL GAIN. This is not WWer's " fault " it is just

> the way

> your body handles the caloric intake. If you want to eat all those points,

> by all means do it but then translate that into increased activity.

>

> I honestly believe you cannot be successful in any endeavor until you take

> full responsibility for your part in the success. I lost over 100 pounds

> using the tools that Weight Watchers provides. But *I* am the one who

> limited my food intake, exercised every day, and monitored myself

> weekly to

> ensure that if I made a mistake I learned from it and adjusted for the

> next

> week. Weight Watchers never " caused " me to gain or cause me to lose.

> It was

> nothing more than a tool.

>

> Just like other areas of my life, the tools helped me, but ultimately the

> success or lack thereof was my responsibility. I received a degree from

> Antioch University, but I am the one who worked for it. If I flunk a

> class,

> it's my fault for not availing myself to the resources available to

> me. When

> I got myself into debt it wasn't the credit card company's fault.

>

> As for how I'm doing flex points, I am eating at the same level

> (except this

> week). This week I've upped them because I'm walking the picket line six

> hours a day and have found myself literally starving...okay, not

> literally...but feeling REALLY hungry in the evenings after all that

> exercise. I didn't change just because the program did because I know what

> works and I prefer to go with it.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that you can still loose weight with eating all of your flex points.

On the original 123 plan I could eat between 26 & 33 points a day. Which is a

total of 231 points for the week, plus any activity points. When they changed to

the Winning Points my range was 26-31 which was a total of 217 points, plus any

activiy points. On the new flex plan my target is 28 plus the 35 which equals

231, plus any activity points. >From what I gather WW basically went back to the

original points plan. I lost weight when I did this, and I never ate any of my

activity points.

Re: flex points & not a happy camper...

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that you can still loose weight with eating all of your flex points.

On the original 123 plan I could eat between 26 & 33 points a day. Which is a

total of 231 points for the week, plus any activity points. When they changed to

the Winning Points my range was 26-31 which was a total of 217 points, plus any

activiy points. On the new flex plan my target is 28 plus the 35 which equals

231, plus any activity points. >From what I gather WW basically went back to the

original points plan. I lost weight when I did this, and I never ate any of my

activity points.

Re: flex points & not a happy camper...

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that you can still loose weight with eating all of your flex points.

On the original 123 plan I could eat between 26 & 33 points a day. Which is a

total of 231 points for the week, plus any activity points. When they changed to

the Winning Points my range was 26-31 which was a total of 217 points, plus any

activiy points. On the new flex plan my target is 28 plus the 35 which equals

231, plus any activity points. >From what I gather WW basically went back to the

original points plan. I lost weight when I did this, and I never ate any of my

activity points.

Re: flex points & not a happy camper...

Donna,

That's why I'm trying to finish out my week with about 14 points left in

my flex " bank " (eating the same way I did under the old plan). However, I

asked my WW leader about this, and she said that WW does research and

believes most people should be able to lose weight even at the higher point

level. I'm still skeptical and I'll continue what I've been doing as

long as it

works. I did finish my first week on flex points yesterday and I used

exactly

21 flex points. I weigh in this morning,

Mitch

Donna Hrynkiw wrote:

> On Wed. 03 Sep, 2003 9:55 PM, " Stamping Scrapbooking Mommy " wrote:

> >I ate all my flexpoints too and had a maintenance week (

> >Moe

>

> What am I missing? The Flex Points system sounds to me like MORE points

> per week, not the same.

>

> Under the previous program, I got 20-25 points per week. That's a maximum

> of 175 points per week (25 x 7)

>

> Under Flex Points, I have 22 points a day, plus 35 extra points. That's

> 154 daily points, plus 35 flexpoints for a total of 189 points per week.

>

> If I ate an extra 14 points over the week under the old program, I'd

> maintain too.

>

> I've gotta be missing something. Anybody?

>

> Donna in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

> Donna.Hrynkiw@...

> Sept. 19: Talk Like a Pirate Day, matey!

> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > Hey Tory,

> > I did increase my activity from 2 miles a day to 4 & race-walking

> > instead of just walking-walking. So instead of 20 minute miles, Im

> > doing 10 minute/12 minute miles. every day but Sunday.

>

> Very cool...doesn't it feel good? I don't know if you were athletic

at a

> previous time. I wasn't at all, so for me to get out and work out

is just

> giving me this amazing feeling of empowerment.

>

no Tory, I was not active before, in fact I'm not even sure I

qualified as " conscious " LOL.

Bev

[Guest guest]

> > Hey Tory,

> > I did increase my activity from 2 miles a day to 4 & race-walking

> > instead of just walking-walking. So instead of 20 minute miles, Im

> > doing 10 minute/12 minute miles. every day but Sunday.

>

> Very cool...doesn't it feel good? I don't know if you were athletic

at a

> previous time. I wasn't at all, so for me to get out and work out

is just

> giving me this amazing feeling of empowerment.

>

no Tory, I was not active before, in fact I'm not even sure I

qualified as " conscious " LOL.

Bev

[Guest guest]

>

> > > Hey Tory,

> > > I did increase my activity from 2 miles a day to 4 & race-walking

> > > instead of just walking-walking. So instead of 20 minute miles, Im

> > > doing 10 minute/12 minute miles. every day but Sunday.

> >

> > Very cool...doesn't it feel good? I don't know if you were athletic

> at a

> > previous time. I wasn't at all, so for me to get out and work out

> is just

> > giving me this amazing feeling of empowerment.

> >

> no Tory, I was not active before, in fact I'm not even sure I

> qualified as " conscious " LOL.

Me neither, Bev! I was such a couch potato that I swear I just about grew

roots into the chair.