Re: And now ... Jean from WW

[Guest guest]

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.CaroleTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.CaroleTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

I lost 45 pounds on WW. And of course I gained it back within....hmmm... I'd say 3 years or so? I think that over all it's a good program as far as not being hungry and nutrition go. I've lost smaller amounts on it, many times in the past, but have always gained it back. It's because either I am on the plan, or I am off the plan. That's what I like about IE. There's no being off the plan, there is only acknowledging my hunger and my satiety, and acknowledging that, if I eat when I am not hungry, I am doing it for some other reason. For me it's mostly social reasons. RainFrom:

Subject: Re: And now ... from WWTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.CaroleFrom: Tailyn

Grey To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

I lost 45 pounds on WW. And of course I gained it back within....hmmm... I'd say 3 years or so? I think that over all it's a good program as far as not being hungry and nutrition go. I've lost smaller amounts on it, many times in the past, but have always gained it back. It's because either I am on the plan, or I am off the plan. That's what I like about IE. There's no being off the plan, there is only acknowledging my hunger and my satiety, and acknowledging that, if I eat when I am not hungry, I am doing it for some other reason. For me it's mostly social reasons. RainFrom:

Subject: Re: And now ... from WWTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.CaroleFrom: Tailyn

Grey To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Had to reply to this quote as it reminded me of all those other sayings that

pass as bits of 'advice' for fatties'. All the ones I have heard FAULT the

person - great encouragement isn't that (sarcastic)?!? And so many are down

right hurtful. My dad remained a 'string bean' all his life because he would

rather drink than eat. Yet mentioning alcoholism to him was a BIG NO. Lots of

one way street traveling on this subject and definitely NOT part of an IE

journey.

I have come to understand that it not WHAT, WHEN or WHERE I eat that is so much

the real factors as WHY I eat. IE keeps it simple - eat for body hunger. Not

emotional hunger, not to conform to EXternal 'healthy' standards, not to punish

myself or others (like it could really), etc. When I trust and listen to my

body, I am a happier person - period. I have to wonder if or any of the

'trim' WW types can REALLY say that - from their hearts (and stomachs too ;-)

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

> >

about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers, she said that sometimes

people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake.

Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork!

> >all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Had to reply to this quote as it reminded me of all those other sayings that

pass as bits of 'advice' for fatties'. All the ones I have heard FAULT the

person - great encouragement isn't that (sarcastic)?!? And so many are down

right hurtful. My dad remained a 'string bean' all his life because he would

rather drink than eat. Yet mentioning alcoholism to him was a BIG NO. Lots of

one way street traveling on this subject and definitely NOT part of an IE

journey.

I have come to understand that it not WHAT, WHEN or WHERE I eat that is so much

the real factors as WHY I eat. IE keeps it simple - eat for body hunger. Not

emotional hunger, not to conform to EXternal 'healthy' standards, not to punish

myself or others (like it could really), etc. When I trust and listen to my

body, I am a happier person - period. I have to wonder if or any of the

'trim' WW types can REALLY say that - from their hearts (and stomachs too ;-)

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

> >

about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers, she said that sometimes

people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake.

Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork!

> >all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Had to reply to this quote as it reminded me of all those other sayings that

pass as bits of 'advice' for fatties'. All the ones I have heard FAULT the

person - great encouragement isn't that (sarcastic)?!? And so many are down

right hurtful. My dad remained a 'string bean' all his life because he would

rather drink than eat. Yet mentioning alcoholism to him was a BIG NO. Lots of

one way street traveling on this subject and definitely NOT part of an IE

journey.

I have come to understand that it not WHAT, WHEN or WHERE I eat that is so much

the real factors as WHY I eat. IE keeps it simple - eat for body hunger. Not

emotional hunger, not to conform to EXternal 'healthy' standards, not to punish

myself or others (like it could really), etc. When I trust and listen to my

body, I am a happier person - period. I have to wonder if or any of the

'trim' WW types can REALLY say that - from their hearts (and stomachs too ;-)

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

> >

about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers, she said that sometimes

people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake.

Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork!

> >all...Tai

[Guest guest]

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

Subject: Re: And now ... from WWTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.Carole

To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

Subject: Re: And now ... from WWTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.Carole

To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Judy, the way you said that really hit home for me. "Pacing around in a very small cage" is exactly what it feels like!Rain

From: Judy TerrillSent: Friday, July 01, 2011 3:59 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

Subject: Re: And now ... from WWTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.Carole

To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Timely discussion. I've been rapidly gaining weight all year due to stress and stress eating and decided a few weeks back to sign up for WW online. I just wanted to lose weight NOW!! Well....it worked for about a week. I was all excited to try out the online tools and I lost 4 pounds in the first week. But then I started getting bored with it and feeling like I was trapped (pacing in a very small cage is a very good description!) and I started ignoring my points and just stuffing myself. The 2nd week I gained 4 pounds. So...now I'm back to IE and am starting to feel like a sane person again. lol

It was a great reminder that dieting DOESN"T work, EVER!!

Kipkabob

(Intuitive eating since September 2006)

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 12:10:49 AMSubject: RE: And now ... from WW

Judy, the way you said that really hit home for me. "Pacing around in a very small cage" is exactly what it feels like!Rain

From: Judy TerrillSent: Friday, July 01, 2011 3:59 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

Subject: Re: And now ... from WWTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.Carole

To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Timely discussion. I've been rapidly gaining weight all year due to stress and stress eating and decided a few weeks back to sign up for WW online. I just wanted to lose weight NOW!! Well....it worked for about a week. I was all excited to try out the online tools and I lost 4 pounds in the first week. But then I started getting bored with it and feeling like I was trapped (pacing in a very small cage is a very good description!) and I started ignoring my points and just stuffing myself. The 2nd week I gained 4 pounds. So...now I'm back to IE and am starting to feel like a sane person again. lol

It was a great reminder that dieting DOESN"T work, EVER!!

Kipkabob

(Intuitive eating since September 2006)

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 12:10:49 AMSubject: RE: And now ... from WW

Judy, the way you said that really hit home for me. "Pacing around in a very small cage" is exactly what it feels like!Rain

From: Judy TerrillSent: Friday, July 01, 2011 3:59 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

Subject: Re: And now ... from WWTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

Tai,Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her, but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company. Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.Carole

To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PMSubject: And now ... from WW

Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork." That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course, both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to all...Tai

[Guest guest]

Judy, I love your 'caged animal' analogy because that is what ANY diet turns us

into - a captive of ITS will and 'ownership'. IE is all about freeing ourselves

once again. All the animals in zoos are fed and housed but happy?!? Doubtful.

And they certainly aren't living as nature intended. I love the IE has brought

me back to MY true nature - eating for MY body needs. Keep up the good work.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kip!

Dieting has learned to be soooo seductive! The goal nearly whispered because its

such a highly desired and out of reach thing. And the 'royal making' of any

person who actually achieves that goal - oh my! But like the old saying of the

higher you climb, the farther you fall, applies too.

I went thru a grumbling few months where I felt like everything I had learned

and applied of IE had gone right out the window. I think what prevented me from

considering anything related to dieting was how I had come to find NONE of it

worked and was in fact torture and lying to myself. I finally came to the

realization that I must have been unhappy with myself and began chasing down

that 'cause' instead of blaming food for the underlying reasons. I calmed down

and got back on track more easily than I would have thought possible. I think

your work re IE can and will do that for you too.

Always happy to read your posts. I so understand how even IE can be a struggle

at times. At least IE doesn't require that we fight with ourselves! Keep posting

and hopefully you can get the support you need here instead of being sucked into

the black hole that is dieting.

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

> >

> >

> >>

> >>Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

> >>To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> >>Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>Â

> >>Tai,

> >>

> >>Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight

Watchers

> >>started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given " the diet " by her doctor.

She

> >>gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not

her,

> >>but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company.

> >>

> >>

> >>Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility.

Lecturers

> >>at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.

> >>

> >>Carole

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

> >>><IntuitiveEating_Support >

> >>>Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PM

> >>>Subject: And now ... from WW

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of

Weight

> >>>Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they

had an

> >>>article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish

they

> >>>weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all

they

> >>>have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an

> >>>extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to " put down that

fork. "

> >>>That is why IE is so much more effective than a " diet " like Weight

Watchers. I

> >>>am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of

course,

> >>>both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we

are

> >>>learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards

to

> >>>all...Tai

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> ________________________________

>

> >>>

>

[Guest guest]

I did many rounds of WW, always with the same results. I would become obsessed with the counting, measuring, planning. I would want to do it perfectly, with no deviation. (the program was very rigid in those days). I would be in bed, reviewing in my mind how the diet went,then realized that I had forgotten to eat a fruit, I would get up and eat one. I actually used to dream that I got up during the night to raid the fridge. I would wake up feeling guilty and upset, only to see the food still in the fridge. It was just a dream.CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 6:59:18 PMSubject: Re: And now ... from WW

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

[Guest guest]

Weight Watchers and all those diet plans are a huge part of our economy. How

would they " work " if people really kept the weight off and didn't come back as

repeat customers?

In " Eating Less " author Gillian Riley says most people say they want to lose

weight. Then she says, oh, so you want to eat less. and they say, No, I just

want to lose weight. ha!

I really believe that our habits are the only things we can change. For example,

I can choose to keep healthy vegies in the fridge, or drink more water, or

listen to nice music, but if I try to control the scale, I go all nutso.

I think people fail at " losing weight " because it's an external motivation,

whereas we can really only control our behaviors, not the numbers. I mean,

really you could cut your leg off to move the scale, LOL.

Foggy

> > >

> > >

> > >>From: <im4tune8_ca@>

> > >>Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

> > >>To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > >>Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>Â

> > >>Tai,

> > >>

> > >>Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight

Watchers

> > >>started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given " the diet " by her doctor.

She

> > >>gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not

her,

> > >>but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making

company.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility.

Lecturers

> > >>at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.

> > >>

> > >>Carole

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>

> > >>>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

> > >>><IntuitiveEating_Support >

> > >>>Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PM

> > >>>Subject: And now ... from WW

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of

Weight

> > >>>Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they

had an

> > >>>article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish

they

> > >>>weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said,

all they

> > >>>have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to

an

> > >>>extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to " put down that

fork. "

> > >>>That is why IE is so much more effective than a " diet " like Weight

Watchers. I

> > >>>am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of

course,

> > >>>both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we

are

> > >>>learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen.

Regards to

> > >>>all...Tai

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > ________________________________

> >

> > >>>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

foggy wrote:

> In " Eating Less " author Gillian Riley says most people say they want to

> lose weight. Then she says, oh, so you want to eat less. and they say, No,

> I just want to lose weight. ha!

I'm just re-reading her book. I like it a lot. I didn't so much the

first time I read it. I didn't dislike it but I also couldn't get the

hang of it.

Best wishes

s.

[Guest guest]

Regarding habits, I was thinking lately to have only certain foods in the house and the other foods outside in the storage room so I'd have to go get the key, leave the apt. and get the food. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 10:15 PMSubject: Re: And now ... from

WW

I did many rounds of WW, always with the same results. I would become obsessed with the counting, measuring, planning. I would want to do it perfectly, with no deviation. (the program was very rigid in those days). I would be in bed, reviewing in my mind how the diet went,then realized that I had forgotten to eat a fruit, I would get up and eat one. I actually used to dream that I got up during the night to raid the fridge. I would wake up feeling guilty and upset, only to see the food still in the fridge. It was just a dream.CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 6:59:18 PMSubject: Re: And now ... from WW

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

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Regarding habits, I was thinking lately to have only certain foods in the house and the other foods outside in the storage room so I'd have to go get the key, leave the apt. and get the food. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 10:15 PMSubject: Re: And now ... from

WW

I did many rounds of WW, always with the same results. I would become obsessed with the counting, measuring, planning. I would want to do it perfectly, with no deviation. (the program was very rigid in those days). I would be in bed, reviewing in my mind how the diet went,then realized that I had forgotten to eat a fruit, I would get up and eat one. I actually used to dream that I got up during the night to raid the fridge. I would wake up feeling guilty and upset, only to see the food still in the fridge. It was just a dream.CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 6:59:18 PMSubject: Re: And now ... from WW

With WW (repeat tries) as with calorie counting, the problem for me was if I'm counting then I want my points worth, and I didn't feel free to leave food because what if I got hungry later, and didn't have the points after not eating the food I had used the points on. So for me, WW always felt like I was pacing around in a very small cage! Judy

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foggy "I think people fail at "losing weight" because it's an external motivation, whereas we can really only control our behaviors, not the numbers. I mean, really you could cut your leg off to move the scale, LOL."there would be quite a bit of blood around

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 10:02 AMSubject: Re: And now ... from WW

Weight Watchers and all those diet plans are a huge part of our economy. How would they "work" if people really kept the weight off and didn't come back as repeat customers?

In "Eating Less" author Gillian Riley says most people say they want to lose weight. Then she says, oh, so you want to eat less. and they say, No, I just want to lose weight. ha!

I really believe that our habits are the only things we can change. For example, I can choose to keep healthy vegies in the fridge, or drink more water, or listen to nice music, but if I try to control the scale, I go all nutso.

I think people fail at "losing weight" because it's an external motivation, whereas we can really only control our behaviors, not the numbers. I mean, really you could cut your leg off to move the scale, LOL.

Foggy

> > >

> > >

> > >>From: <im4tune8_ca@>

> > >>Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

> > >>To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > >>Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>Â

> > >>Tai,

> > >>

> > >>Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers

> > >>started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She

> > >>gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her,

> > >>but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers

> > >>at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.

> > >>

> > >>Carole

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>

> > >>>To: "IntuitiveEating_Support "

> > >>><IntuitiveEating_Support >

> > >>>Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PM

> > >>>Subject: And now ... from WW

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight

> > >>>Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an

> > >>>article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they

> > >>>weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they

> > >>>have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an

> > >>>extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork."

> > >>>That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I

> > >>>am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course,

> > >>>both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are

> > >>>learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to

> > >>>all...Tai

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > ________________________________

> >

> > >>>

> >

>

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foggy "I think people fail at "losing weight" because it's an external motivation, whereas we can really only control our behaviors, not the numbers. I mean, really you could cut your leg off to move the scale, LOL."there would be quite a bit of blood around

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 10:02 AMSubject: Re: And now ... from WW

Weight Watchers and all those diet plans are a huge part of our economy. How would they "work" if people really kept the weight off and didn't come back as repeat customers?

In "Eating Less" author Gillian Riley says most people say they want to lose weight. Then she says, oh, so you want to eat less. and they say, No, I just want to lose weight. ha!

I really believe that our habits are the only things we can change. For example, I can choose to keep healthy vegies in the fridge, or drink more water, or listen to nice music, but if I try to control the scale, I go all nutso.

I think people fail at "losing weight" because it's an external motivation, whereas we can really only control our behaviors, not the numbers. I mean, really you could cut your leg off to move the scale, LOL.

Foggy

> > >

> > >

> > >>From: <im4tune8_ca@>

> > >>Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

> > >>To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > >>Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>Â

> > >>Tai,

> > >>

> > >>Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight Watchers

> > >>started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given "the diet" by her doctor. She

> > >>gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was not her,

> > >>but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making company.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility. Lecturers

> > >>at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.

> > >>

> > >>Carole

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>

> > >>>To: "IntuitiveEating_Support "

> > >>><IntuitiveEating_Support >

> > >>>Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PM

> > >>>Subject: And now ... from WW

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of Weight

> > >>>Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why they had an

> > >>>article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish they

> > >>>weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said, all they

> > >>>have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to an

> > >>>extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to "put down that fork."

> > >>>That is why IE is so much more effective than a "diet" like Weight Watchers. I

> > >>>am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of course,

> > >>>both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process we are

> > >>>learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen. Regards to

> > >>>all...Tai

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > ________________________________

> >

> > >>>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think a lot of space was devoted to WW on this forum when in reality, we

should spend moire time discussing why programs like WW are not ideal

just a thought

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >>From: <im4tune8_ca@>

> > > >>Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

> > > >>To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > > >>Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Â

> > > >>Tai,

> > > >>

> > > >>Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight

Watchers

> > > >>started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given " the diet " by her

doctor. She

> > > >>gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was

not her,

> > > >>but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making

company.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility.

Lecturers

> > > >>at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.

> > > >>

> > > >>Carole

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>

> > > >>>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

> > > >>><IntuitiveEating_Support >

> > > >>>Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PM

> > > >>>Subject: And now ... from WW

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of

Weight

> > > >>>Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why

they had an

> > > >>>article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish

they

> > > >>>weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said,

all they

> > > >>>have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to

an

> > > >>>extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to " put down that

fork. "

> > > >>>That is why IE is so much more effective than a " diet " like Weight

Watchers. I

> > > >>>am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of

course,

> > > >>>both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process

we are

> > > >>>learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen.

Regards to

> > > >>>all...Tai

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > >>>

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think a lot of space was devoted to WW on this forum when in reality, we

should spend moire time discussing why programs like WW are not ideal

just a thought

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >>From: <im4tune8_ca@>

> > > >>Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

> > > >>To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > > >>Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Â

> > > >>Tai,

> > > >>

> > > >>Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight

Watchers

> > > >>started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given " the diet " by her

doctor. She

> > > >>gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was

not her,

> > > >>but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making

company.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility.

Lecturers

> > > >>at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.

> > > >>

> > > >>Carole

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>

> > > >>>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

> > > >>><IntuitiveEating_Support >

> > > >>>Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PM

> > > >>>Subject: And now ... from WW

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of

Weight

> > > >>>Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why

they had an

> > > >>>article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish

they

> > > >>>weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said,

all they

> > > >>>have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to

an

> > > >>>extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to " put down that

fork. "

> > > >>>That is why IE is so much more effective than a " diet " like Weight

Watchers. I

> > > >>>am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of

course,

> > > >>>both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process

we are

> > > >>>learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen.

Regards to

> > > >>>all...Tai

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > >>>

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think a lot of space was devoted to WW on this forum when in reality, we

should spend moire time discussing why programs like WW are not ideal

just a thought

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >>From: <im4tune8_ca@>

> > > >>Subject: Re: And now ... from WW

> > > >>To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> > > >>Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 7:20 AM

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Â

> > > >>Tai,

> > > >>

> > > >>Nieditch is an interesting person. I read the story of how Weight

Watchers

> > > >>started. She was a dumpy housewife who was given " the diet " by her

doctor. She

> > > >>gathered 3 friends in her kitchen and started a support group. It was

not her,

> > > >>but her husband who told her to incorporate it into a profit-making

company.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Of course, she has to keep off the weight to retain her credibility.

Lecturers

> > > >>at WW are not allowed to gain weight if they want to retain their jobs.

> > > >>

> > > >>Carole

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>

> > > >>>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

> > > >>><IntuitiveEating_Support >

> > > >>>Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 12:48:13 PM

> > > >>>Subject: And now ... from WW

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>Sandy, today's paper had an article about Nieditch, the founder of

Weight

> > > >>>Watchers. Interesting lady. She lives in the area, maybe that's why

they had an

> > > >>>article about her. Anyway, she said that sometimes people say they wish

they

> > > >>>weren't fat while they're eating that piece of cake. Meantime she said,

all they

> > > >>>have to do is put down the fork! I thought, hmmm -- you may be right to

an

> > > >>>extent, but for chronic overeaters, it isn't so easy to " put down that

fork. "

> > > >>>That is why IE is so much more effective than a " diet " like Weight

Watchers. I

> > > >>>am sure WW works for some people. I was on WW at least twice, and of

course,

> > > >>>both times lost weight, only to regain it. No ... the thinking process

we are

> > > >>>learning to incorporate is far more powerful than any diet regimen.

Regards to

> > > >>>all...Tai

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > >>>

> > >

> >

>

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Agreed! Its challenge enough to embrace IE without getting distracted by non-IE

practices. This seems to me to be perhaps a passing phase in that most of the

mentions of previous 'diet' experiences are less than wonderful and something

most are anxious NOT to repeat. That's usually why we come here (to IE) isn't

it?

Great re-focusing mention .

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> I think a lot of space was devoted to WW on this forum when in reality, we

should spend moire time discussing why programs like WW are not ideal

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> just a thought

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