Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Katcha, Thanks for this too although I wi;ll have to consider it some more. It's one of those ideas that is not quite there yet for me. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Katcha, Thanks for this too although I wi;ll have to consider it some more. It's one of those ideas that is not quite there yet for me. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Katcha, Thanks for this too although I wi;ll have to consider it some more. It's one of those ideas that is not quite there yet for me. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 What helped me to make sense of this was for me to picture that infant that I was, all true to myself, and understand how I had let my own intuition go in favor of what others told me was right for me. How more personal can something be than eating?!? Yet it seems that we relinquish that when its impossible for anyone to know how I feel - hunger included. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > How do I make peace with that. If I > > > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > > > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Thanks Katcha. That helps some but I still I am not there yet. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 It is very hard for me to determine how my body feels after I eat something. Sometimes I feel maybe too full. My conscience may bother me; for instance, if I eat too much fat, my mind bothers me, not so much my stomach or my physical reaction. Sometimes I think while I'm eating that the next bite will pack the pound on, but I eat it anyway. There is a thought I notice which comes up that tells me the next bite will be "too much," even though I may not feel full. So I eat it anyway, because I think if I do not eat it, I will feel hungry. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 1:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Good vs. bad Katcha, Thanks for this too although I wi;ll have to consider it some more. It's one of those ideas that is not quite there yet for me. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of "good" food versus "bad food"? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 It is very hard for me to determine how my body feels after I eat something. Sometimes I feel maybe too full. My conscience may bother me; for instance, if I eat too much fat, my mind bothers me, not so much my stomach or my physical reaction. Sometimes I think while I'm eating that the next bite will pack the pound on, but I eat it anyway. There is a thought I notice which comes up that tells me the next bite will be "too much," even though I may not feel full. So I eat it anyway, because I think if I do not eat it, I will feel hungry. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 1:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Good vs. bad Katcha, Thanks for this too although I wi;ll have to consider it some more. It's one of those ideas that is not quite there yet for me. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of "good" food versus "bad food"? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 I honestly believe, Katcha, that society (call it mass media) has a profound and awful effect on most of us. If that were not true we would not be getting fatter as a human population. Images are powerful. Very powerful. so are thoughts, of course. If fast food restaurants served pure, healthful and delicious foods in proper proportion instead of all the messy junk their laboratories tell them make people eat more, things would be better. I believe that. They send out very persuasive images. I'm not saying this is the reason I'm overweight, but it seems to me that if fast food and other places would serve wholesome and truly delicious foods, it would be easy to make choices. I'd love to understand the mentality of someone who does not worry or think much about what and how they eat. It is hard for me to understand how a carefree thin person thinks. That craving for food is powerful and the problem for me comes when choice time is here. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:32 PMSubject: Re: Good vs. bad What helped me to make sense of this was for me to picture that infant that I was, all true to myself, and understand how I had let my own intuition go in favor of what others told me was right for me. How more personal can something be than eating?!? Yet it seems that we relinquish that when its impossible for anyone to know how I feel - hunger included. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > How do I make peace with that. If I > > > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > > > mentality of "good" food versus "bad food"? Sandy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 The fact is that my body feels good except for my feet. I would feel better if I were thinner because my feet would not hurt so much, but I'm getting happier as I get older, even though I am well aware that eventually something's gotta get me. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:40 PMSubject: Re: Re: Good vs. bad Thanks Katcha. That helps some but I still I am not there yet. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of "good" food versus "bad food"? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 The fact is that my body feels good except for my feet. I would feel better if I were thinner because my feet would not hurt so much, but I'm getting happier as I get older, even though I am well aware that eventually something's gotta get me. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:40 PMSubject: Re: Re: Good vs. bad Thanks Katcha. That helps some but I still I am not there yet. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of "good" food versus "bad food"? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Tai, I can relate to that. I am moving away from thinking I have to eat this now or there might not be another chance. Sometimes I don't know when I will be in a situation where I will be able to get food again, so I am trying to plan better. Like today I will take a snack with me because I will be away from any food source from noon until 6pm and that is too long for me. I will take a granola bar or an apple and cheese. Sandy It is very hard for me to determine how my body feels after I eat something. Sometimes I feel maybe too full. My conscience may bother me; for instance, if I eat too much fat, my mind bothers me, not so much my stomach or my physical reaction. Sometimes I think while I'm eating that the next bite will pack the pound on, but I eat it anyway. There is a thought I notice which comes up that tells me the next bite will be " too much, " even though I may not feel full. So I eat it anyway, because I think if I do not eat it, I will feel hungry. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 1:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Good vs. bad Katcha, Thanks for this too although I wi;ll have to consider it some more. It's one of those ideas that is not quite there yet for me. Sandy Sandy it finally dawned on me that the definitions of what was 'good' or 'bad' came from how my body reacted to the food, not what some EXternal 'expert' said it was. And health is the measure of YOUR body, not some ideal standard. Keeping 'me' as my standard = IE to me. All else becomes diet mentality ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > How do I make peace with that. If I > choose to eat healthy foods and reject unhealthy ones is that the same > mentality of " good " food versus " bad food " ? Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Yes Tai, image is a very powerful input on humans. Its the reason TV, ads and other media focus more on pictures than content. The old '1 picture = 1000 words' cliche. But it is each and everyone of us that REALLY makes the decision of what we put in our mouths. The media thrives on keeping us jumping through hoops labeled nutrition, health, body image etc. etc. while on the other hand bombarding us with seductive pictures of tempting foods that are loaded with taste triggering elements. However, we can adopt either a victim posture or embrace the food rebel that has already been fighting on our behalf and train that energy into a positive that works for us, not against ourselves. I feel I do have a strong individualist element in me. Yet as I learned to honor the authority of my parents, so too did I transfer that practice onto any other 'expert'. I too am effected by the media. Happily I have recruited my inner rebel to MY side and employ it to battle with ads and other imposing 'advice' that does NOT work for me. I smile and say (to myself) - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me! I don't expect us all to join the IE guerrillas (ha ha), but I have found great help in the Power of WAIT - to use a moment of pause to think before being hooked into an action (habit) that does NOT serve me(you)! This little trick can be a BIG turning point from diet to IE. BEST wishes to us ALL. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > I honestly believe, Katcha, that society (call it mass media) has a profound and awful effect on most of us. If that were not true we would not be getting fatter as a human population. Images are powerful. Very powerful. so are thoughts, of course. If fast food restaurants served pure, healthful and delicious foods in proper proportion instead of all the messy junk their laboratories tell them make people eat more, things would be better. I believe that. They send out very persuasive images. I'm not saying this is the reason I'm overweight, but it seems to me that if fast food and other places would serve wholesome and truly delicious foods, it would be easy to make choices. I'd love to understand the mentality of someone who does not worry or think much about what and how they eat. It is hard for me to understand how a carefree thin person thinks. That craving for food is powerful and the problem for me comes when choice time is here. Tai > > > > ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Tai to debate whether or not a food is 'healthy' would be a very unproductive sidetrack for either of our IE journeys! To me the point of 'good vs. bad' in the food category is to discover what does and doesn't work for YOU. Automatically labeling based on EXternal 'ideals' is more like black/white type thinking than what will suit YOU. There have been quite a few posts about apples here. These represent dieting for some. I go back and forth with them too - eating almost daily for a while, then not wanting any for some time. Walking one's self away from 'oughts' is hard because they appear so 'solid and stable', especially when one feels so unsure about what you are doing anyway. The conclusion I came to regarding why IE encourages food neutrality is so that we each can discover - for ourselves - what our bodies appreciate and what isn't wonderful for us too. In order to do that giving ourselves permission to eat ANYthing is the starting point for that discovery. Not only does this result in a 'prefer vs. don't appreciate' list, but it also helps battle the diet gremlins who whisper seductive 'shoulds' and shaming 'shouldn'ts' in our ears too. BEST wishes - Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Thank you for your kind words, Katcha. Now on to the races. There is food that I do not consider to be good for me (or anyone), such as most types of chips, yes, sodas, and foods that are filled with additives, highly processed, etc. In other words, they are not particularly nutitious and can be dangerous to the human health. Those are, in my mind, 'bad' foods. " Good " foods are those that are nutritious and healthful. As much as I've read about 'good' vs. 'bad' foods, I fail to see that highly processed foods are neutral (neither good or bad). They're not good. They're bad. If I choose to eat highly processed and fried foods with lots of chemical additives and monosaturated fat, etc., that is my choice, but I certainly don't look at the item as anything in the 'good' category. Apples (which I don't much like) are 'good,' but I don't like them. Oranges are good, and I like oranges. Dorito chips are not good and fortunately for me, I've stopped eating them > because after years of eating that junk I've decided I don't like or want dorito chips and other types of chips right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Tai to debate whether or not a food is 'healthy' would be a very unproductive sidetrack for either of our IE journeys! To me the point of 'good vs. bad' in the food category is to discover what does and doesn't work for YOU. Automatically labeling based on EXternal 'ideals' is more like black/white type thinking than what will suit YOU. There have been quite a few posts about apples here. These represent dieting for some. I go back and forth with them too - eating almost daily for a while, then not wanting any for some time. Walking one's self away from 'oughts' is hard because they appear so 'solid and stable', especially when one feels so unsure about what you are doing anyway. The conclusion I came to regarding why IE encourages food neutrality is so that we each can discover - for ourselves - what our bodies appreciate and what isn't wonderful for us too. In order to do that giving ourselves permission to eat ANYthing is the starting point for that discovery. Not only does this result in a 'prefer vs. don't appreciate' list, but it also helps battle the diet gremlins who whisper seductive 'shoulds' and shaming 'shouldn'ts' in our ears too. BEST wishes - Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Thank you for your kind words, Katcha. Now on to the races. There is food that I do not consider to be good for me (or anyone), such as most types of chips, yes, sodas, and foods that are filled with additives, highly processed, etc. In other words, they are not particularly nutitious and can be dangerous to the human health. Those are, in my mind, 'bad' foods. " Good " foods are those that are nutritious and healthful. As much as I've read about 'good' vs. 'bad' foods, I fail to see that highly processed foods are neutral (neither good or bad). They're not good. They're bad. If I choose to eat highly processed and fried foods with lots of chemical additives and monosaturated fat, etc., that is my choice, but I certainly don't look at the item as anything in the 'good' category. Apples (which I don't much like) are 'good,' but I don't like them. Oranges are good, and I like oranges. Dorito chips are not good and fortunately for me, I've stopped eating them > because after years of eating that junk I've decided I don't like or want dorito chips and other types of chips right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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