Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 It may seem like splitting hairs, but 'restraint' isn't restriction to me. Restriction implies a big (fat -lol!) NO! While restraint implies choice. IE encourages choice, even to eat when NOT hungry, but with mindfulness of doing so. Eventually the battle of the diet demons gets won and restriction thoughts fade. Yes dumping old practices and embracing new ones is WORK. I like to think of it as 'exercise' that I choose to do instead of 'should' do. BEST wishes, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > So the idea of restraint goes along with intuitive eating? If you have to ask yourself if you can wait until you decide to eat again, isn't this a restraining tactic? Isn't a restraining tactic a type of diet? I mean, if you have to think this thing through, why bother with it? Diets are work. And IE is work. Isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 It may seem like splitting hairs, but 'restraint' isn't restriction to me. Restriction implies a big (fat -lol!) NO! While restraint implies choice. IE encourages choice, even to eat when NOT hungry, but with mindfulness of doing so. Eventually the battle of the diet demons gets won and restriction thoughts fade. Yes dumping old practices and embracing new ones is WORK. I like to think of it as 'exercise' that I choose to do instead of 'should' do. BEST wishes, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > So the idea of restraint goes along with intuitive eating? If you have to ask yourself if you can wait until you decide to eat again, isn't this a restraining tactic? Isn't a restraining tactic a type of diet? I mean, if you have to think this thing through, why bother with it? Diets are work. And IE is work. Isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Tai, sounds like you ARE giving thought to your eating! And as much as eating 'junk' foods is a big horror story, that's just rebellion running its course. Given a chance it will too! What you wrote about what's going thru your mind as well as old dream (backstroking thru vat of ice cream sounds lovely to me - especially in hot summertime!) is something most of us here can and do identify with. Brave on and I look forward to the day you post how you have stuck your tongue out at the diet demons, laughingly too! BEST wishes, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, once again, thank you for your insightful post. It causes me to think, But thinking is hard. It requires restraint AND strain (for me at least). I am learning to ask myself what it is I really want and the answers are sometimes hard to come by. I think I want a salad but when the time comes for the real choice, I choose something else. something dangerous; forbidden. Like cream sauce laden junk. I won't call it food becase although it goes in my mouth, I know it's going to clog my arteries more. If I go out, it's almost like seeing a movie with the pictres of the " forbidden " foods flashing at me EVEN IFÂ KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO " HELP " ME. I think: why not? I'm not forbidding anything, so have the junk. why have what's " good " for me? even if I like it? Have the junky, creamy food instead since I'm not restricting myself. It really is like the childhood (?) dream of throwing myself in that vat of ice cream. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I definitely agree with this. Food tastes better when we're conscious about it. I always have to remind myself to stop and eat - rather than eat and keep doing whatever I'm doing. And even then - I have to remind myself to keep my mind on the food. It's not always easy.Subject: Re: Re: IE and dietingTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 11:18 AM Amen. I think being conscious is always more challenging than following any rule or dogma. But it's also, in my experience, richer and more rewarding. And despite the struggle, more peaceful. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Tai,I think you are going through a normal phase of IE. your mind is testing the limits of IE, just like a three year old tests her parents! so your mind wants to know, " when you said i could have ANYTHING i wanted, did you really mean it??? " and now, just like with a three year old, your mind wants to see you be consistent. trust that this phase won't last forever, as scary and hard as it is! eat the creamy cheesy " junky " whatever it is, food. i promise the salads WILL come back. you will actually WANT to have that salad at some point! but first you have to experiment with eating the " junk. " i sense you are working and battling very very hard right now. perhaps you have " bitten off more than you can chew " with addressing many steps of IE at once? i don't know this, just a thought. and YES, IE is thinking, and thinking is WORK. it's HARD WORK. it gets so much easier and more rewarding with time, but it's certainly work. if you get frustrated with this, perhaps it's worth stepping back and thinking about what made you decide to step away from dieting, where someone else, an external authority, makes all these decisions for you? all the best, and hang in there!abbyps and for what it's worth, to me a cream laden sauce would NOT be junk and i would not be worried about it going straight to my arteries. i don't agree with the low fat diet philosophy. so it really goes to show, to me, that all of our " truths " about diet aren't necessarily so. gentle nutrition will be there later for you, in any case. Katcha, once again, thank you for your insightful post. It causes me to think, But thinking is hard. It requires restraint AND strain (for me at least). I am learning to ask myself what it is I really want and the answers are sometimes hard to come by. I think I want a salad but when the time comes for the real choice, I choose something else. something dangerous; forbidden. Like cream sauce laden junk. I won't call it food becase although it goes in my mouth, I know it's going to clog my arteries more. If I go out, it's almost like seeing a movie with the pictres of the " forbidden " foods flashing at me EVEN IF KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO " HELP " ME. I think: why not? I'm not forbidding anything, so have the junk. why have what's " good " for me? even if I like it? Have the junky, creamy food instead since I'm not restricting myself. It really is like the childhood (?) dream of throwing myself in that vat of ice cream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Just wanted to add that it was another member pointing out how she was able to satisfy her hunger, and having her hunger 'hold off' longer, by having 'fat' in her foods. I tested this for myself and what I found was that carb type foods, which digest first and fastest, would only 'hold' me for about an hour while foods with fat, which digest slower, would 'hold' me for a couple of hours. Protein is the slowest to digest and seems to 'hold' me for longer than fats. The lesson to me was that my body reacts to different FOODS differently. The real lesson was not about the food, it was how my body reacted to them. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > ps and for what it's worth, to me a cream laden sauce would NOT be junk and > i would not be worried about it going straight to my arteries. i don't agree > with the low fat diet philosophy. so it really goes to show, to me, that all > of our " truths " about diet aren't necessarily so. gentle nutrition will be > there later for you, in any case. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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