Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Tai, I hear ya gal! And believe me I know that feeling too. And FEELING it is - emotional really, not physical body hunger (you know your stomach is full). If you can, take a slow deep breath and ask yourself exactly WHAT it is that you are wanting. If 'cake' pops up for you, ask yourself what it is that 'cake' will do for you - comfort? how? Perhaps 'cake' is more a reward? For what? Or could it be that while you ate to full stomach level, you didn't really get to eat what you WANTED - cake!?!? This is a BIG IE babystep - pulling the curtain away from the driving factors of non-body hunger. BEST wishes to you. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > > In reference to this point, and I, too, appreciate your post, Rain -- right now I'm not hungry. I feel food in my stomach and it needs to be digested. Yet I want to eat. THAT is the struggle I face. I want to eat; I know or don't think I'm hungry -- yet I want to eat. Cake sounds like a lovely idea, but I don't have any in the house, and I'm not hungry. Two strikes against my desire to eat cake right now. And so I won't eat. But I'm not happy about not eating. does this make sense? I wish I could eat. But I can't (and won't) because I'm not hungry. Tai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Tai, I hear ya gal! And believe me I know that feeling too. And FEELING it is - emotional really, not physical body hunger (you know your stomach is full). If you can, take a slow deep breath and ask yourself exactly WHAT it is that you are wanting. If 'cake' pops up for you, ask yourself what it is that 'cake' will do for you - comfort? how? Perhaps 'cake' is more a reward? For what? Or could it be that while you ate to full stomach level, you didn't really get to eat what you WANTED - cake!?!? This is a BIG IE babystep - pulling the curtain away from the driving factors of non-body hunger. BEST wishes to you. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > > In reference to this point, and I, too, appreciate your post, Rain -- right now I'm not hungry. I feel food in my stomach and it needs to be digested. Yet I want to eat. THAT is the struggle I face. I want to eat; I know or don't think I'm hungry -- yet I want to eat. Cake sounds like a lovely idea, but I don't have any in the house, and I'm not hungry. Two strikes against my desire to eat cake right now. And so I won't eat. But I'm not happy about not eating. does this make sense? I wish I could eat. But I can't (and won't) because I'm not hungry. Tai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Sandy,This is hard work, legalizing foods. You are not alone with that struggle! When and if you decide you want to work on this, I have a couple of suggestions. First, maybe start with ONE food that you would like to legalize, or in other words, take away its magical hold over you. And maybe don't pick the one that is MOST enticing to you, because that may be too enticing and hard. And then, maybe promise yourself that whenever you have that food, let's say it's ice cream, you will commit to sitting down at the table and savoring every bite of that ice cream. it's okay if you aren't hungry when you eat it, but you have to at least consciously TASTE it. make sure you have LOTS of ice cream in the house so there is no sense of scarcity. it may sound crazy, but you will NOT need eat your weight in ice cream in this scenario! somewhat unrelated, but i just thought of this... a couple years back, one woman was posting about her Naturally Thin Chair. she said that she was committing to eating at the table, and sitting down, and consciously eating. and she sat in what she called her Naturally Thin Chair, because she felt that JUST committing to this one thing, eating consciously and deliberately, would help her get back to her " Naturally Thin " self (I do not think that she was thin at all when she was writing this). I always loved this idea! best,abbyIE since 11/08 Tai, that sounds so true for me too. I have times especially when I am not hungry yet I want to eat especially cake, etc. Having the sweets in the house doesn't seem to be working for me because I don't trust myself. Once I start eating the sweets I have a hard time stopping even when I am not hungry, but am full. Still working on this and finding it very frustrating. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Tai, I SOOOO get this. I'm not hungry, but I want to eat, just something to nibble on, it's like I want the oral satisfaction or something. then I remember we have ice cream and that I could eat a small bowl of that without it making me feel too full. This is the battle I'm needing to learn how to win. So when you say you can't and you won't because you aren't hungry, I'm in awe of you for that. How do you think that thorugh and move on...I may not be phrasing this well, it's just that how do you move on without say having 'cake' keep shouting at you in your head? Ann Subject: Re: Re: IE and dietingTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 8:57 PM In reference to this point, and I, too, appreciate your post, Rain -- right now I'm not hungry. I feel food in my stomach and it needs to be digested. Yet I want to eat. THAT is the struggle I face. I want to eat; I know or don't think I'm hungry -- yet I want to eat. Cake sounds like a lovely idea, but I don't have any in the house, and I'm not hungry. Two strikes against my desire to eat cake right now. And so I won't eat. But I'm not happy about not eating. does this make sense? I wish I could eat. But I can't (and won't) because I'm not hungry. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: IE and dieting Rain, I really admire your courage and willingness to throw yourself into this IE journey. I'm sure it must be scary at times, but having gone through this with tons of resistance at first, I really do think you will move along your pathway that much quicker. Best, Abby No, I'm not complaining at all. Eating the cake and ice cream the way I am eating it now, honoring my hunger and satiety, beats the heck out of the deprivation while dieting, or the overeating and stuffing myself (and gaining weight) in between dieting episodes. There's no turning back, and I'll keep doing what I'm doing - moving forward. I did have eggs and toast this morning, but I think it's cake for me when I get home. Rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Tai, I SOOOO get this. I'm not hungry, but I want to eat, just something to nibble on, it's like I want the oral satisfaction or something. then I remember we have ice cream and that I could eat a small bowl of that without it making me feel too full. This is the battle I'm needing to learn how to win. So when you say you can't and you won't because you aren't hungry, I'm in awe of you for that. How do you think that thorugh and move on...I may not be phrasing this well, it's just that how do you move on without say having 'cake' keep shouting at you in your head? Ann Subject: Re: Re: IE and dietingTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 8:57 PM In reference to this point, and I, too, appreciate your post, Rain -- right now I'm not hungry. I feel food in my stomach and it needs to be digested. Yet I want to eat. THAT is the struggle I face. I want to eat; I know or don't think I'm hungry -- yet I want to eat. Cake sounds like a lovely idea, but I don't have any in the house, and I'm not hungry. Two strikes against my desire to eat cake right now. And so I won't eat. But I'm not happy about not eating. does this make sense? I wish I could eat. But I can't (and won't) because I'm not hungry. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: IE and dieting Rain, I really admire your courage and willingness to throw yourself into this IE journey. I'm sure it must be scary at times, but having gone through this with tons of resistance at first, I really do think you will move along your pathway that much quicker. Best, Abby No, I'm not complaining at all. Eating the cake and ice cream the way I am eating it now, honoring my hunger and satiety, beats the heck out of the deprivation while dieting, or the overeating and stuffing myself (and gaining weight) in between dieting episodes. There's no turning back, and I'll keep doing what I'm doing - moving forward. I did have eggs and toast this morning, but I think it's cake for me when I get home. Rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Thanks to everyone who has replied to my post! It feels truely liberating to be able to enjoy the food that I eat and not worry that it will make me fat. I am trying to make peace with my body, and treat it with respect. I ate healthy foods today (whole gains, fruits and vegetables) and did not worry when I ate cheese. I savoured it and did not worry about eating too much! Adelle To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:49 AMSubject: Re: IE and dieting Adelle,Those moments when we listen, our bodies guide us, and the obsessive food thoughts vanish are HUGE and life-changing! I like to call those "intuitive eating moments of grace." Wishing you many more of those moments. :)LatoyaPracticing IE since Dec '07http://www.eatmovelove.com/>> Hi Everyone!>  > I just started to read the Intuitive Eating book and am glad to say that it is already helping me. I am really starting to understand that diets don’t work (in the book I was the professional dieter), and was relieved to see that I was not abnormal in my thinking and my response to food. I have been focusing on listening to my body’s needs, while at the same time eating nutritionally balanced diet. I used to get into the bad habit of obsessing over what I was going to eat and when. I would think that the start of my new diet would mean that I would never get to eat the food that I craved and would have a ‘last supper’. Of course the diet would not work out because it was too restrictive and then I would end up bingeing, and then be really upset with myself for not being strong enough to avoid it. I have been in training (work) for a week now and have been surrounded by cheesecake, brownies, and a variety of sugary snacks that usually would have> tempted me. This time I looked at it and told myself that I could have as much as I wanted, but asked myself if I did really want it? I just kind of waited and I got the feeling that I would be better off eating an apple (which was available, in a bowl next to the snacks). My body was fully content with the apple and I did not even think about the junk food after I had finished the apple. This moment was huge for me! I did not physically want the food that I would have obsessed over before.>  > Today we had a volunteer come in and make us an organic, nutritionally balanced lunch with a healthy dessert. I had a very good portion of the lunch and had a sample of each dessert (and went back for seconds J) I was really proud of myself today just because I did listen to my body and for once I did not feel stress about eating food. It seems like such a small thing to say, that I did not feel guilty about what I ate, but it is not something that I have felt in what seems like years. I have been on diets since I was 12, and I now ready to accept my body the way that it is. I want to make healthy choices in my life rather than eating with the intention to loose weight.>  > I hope everyone had a good day as well,> Adelle >  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Thanks to everyone who has replied to my post! It feels truely liberating to be able to enjoy the food that I eat and not worry that it will make me fat. I am trying to make peace with my body, and treat it with respect. I ate healthy foods today (whole gains, fruits and vegetables) and did not worry when I ate cheese. I savoured it and did not worry about eating too much! Adelle To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:49 AMSubject: Re: IE and dieting Adelle,Those moments when we listen, our bodies guide us, and the obsessive food thoughts vanish are HUGE and life-changing! I like to call those "intuitive eating moments of grace." Wishing you many more of those moments. :)LatoyaPracticing IE since Dec '07http://www.eatmovelove.com/>> Hi Everyone!>  > I just started to read the Intuitive Eating book and am glad to say that it is already helping me. I am really starting to understand that diets don’t work (in the book I was the professional dieter), and was relieved to see that I was not abnormal in my thinking and my response to food. I have been focusing on listening to my body’s needs, while at the same time eating nutritionally balanced diet. I used to get into the bad habit of obsessing over what I was going to eat and when. I would think that the start of my new diet would mean that I would never get to eat the food that I craved and would have a ‘last supper’. Of course the diet would not work out because it was too restrictive and then I would end up bingeing, and then be really upset with myself for not being strong enough to avoid it. I have been in training (work) for a week now and have been surrounded by cheesecake, brownies, and a variety of sugary snacks that usually would have> tempted me. This time I looked at it and told myself that I could have as much as I wanted, but asked myself if I did really want it? I just kind of waited and I got the feeling that I would be better off eating an apple (which was available, in a bowl next to the snacks). My body was fully content with the apple and I did not even think about the junk food after I had finished the apple. This moment was huge for me! I did not physically want the food that I would have obsessed over before.>  > Today we had a volunteer come in and make us an organic, nutritionally balanced lunch with a healthy dessert. I had a very good portion of the lunch and had a sample of each dessert (and went back for seconds J) I was really proud of myself today just because I did listen to my body and for once I did not feel stress about eating food. It seems like such a small thing to say, that I did not feel guilty about what I ate, but it is not something that I have felt in what seems like years. I have been on diets since I was 12, and I now ready to accept my body the way that it is. I want to make healthy choices in my life rather than eating with the intention to loose weight.>  > I hope everyone had a good day as well,> Adelle >  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Ann, the way that I've dealt with this is, as suggested in the IE book, acknowledge that I want to eat, but ask myself if I'm willing to wait. I've had to ask myself that 4 or 5 times between meals, and have answered "yes." But if I answered "no" then I would eat and let it be OK - just know that I'm eating for a reason other than hunger. When answering "yes" though - eventually, I feel the physical hunger pangs, and I eat whatever it was I wanted. Rain Subject: Re: Re: IE and dietingTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 8:57 PM In reference to this point, and I, too, appreciate your post, Rain -- right now I'm not hungry. I feel food in my stomach and it needs to be digested. Yet I want to eat. THAT is the struggle I face. I want to eat; I know or don't think I'm hungry -- yet I want to eat. Cake sounds like a lovely idea, but I don't have any in the house, and I'm not hungry. Two strikes against my desire to eat cake right now. And so I won't eat. But I'm not happy about not eating. does this make sense? I wish I could eat. But I can't (and won't) because I'm not hungry. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: IE and dieting Rain, I really admire your courage and willingness to throw yourself into this IE journey. I'm sure it must be scary at times, but having gone through this with tons of resistance at first, I really do think you will move along your pathway that much quicker. Best, Abby No, I'm not complaining at all. Eating the cake and ice cream the way I am eating it now, honoring my hunger and satiety, beats the heck out of the deprivation while dieting, or the overeating and stuffing myself (and gaining weight) in between dieting episodes. There's no turning back, and I'll keep doing what I'm doing - moving forward. I did have eggs and toast this morning, but I think it's cake for me when I get home. Rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 So the idea of restraint goes along with intuitive eating? If you have to ask yourself if you can wait until you decide to eat again, isn't this a restraining tactic? Isn't a restraining tactic a type of diet? I mean, if you have to think this thing through, why bother with it? Diets are work. And IE is work. Isn't it? To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:35 PMSubject: Re: Re: IE and dieting Ann, the way that I've dealt with this is, as suggested in the IE book, acknowledge that I want to eat, but ask myself if I'm willing to wait. I've had to ask myself that 4 or 5 times between meals, and have answered "yes." But if I answered "no" then I would eat and let it be OK - just know that I'm eating for a reason other than hunger. When answering "yes" though - eventually, I feel the physical hunger pangs, and I eat whatever it was I wanted. Rain Subject: Re: Re: IE and dietingTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 8:57 PM In reference to this point, and I, too, appreciate your post, Rain -- right now I'm not hungry. I feel food in my stomach and it needs to be digested. Yet I want to eat. THAT is the struggle I face. I want to eat; I know or don't think I'm hungry -- yet I want to eat. Cake sounds like a lovely idea, but I don't have any in the house, and I'm not hungry. Two strikes against my desire to eat cake right now. And so I won't eat. But I'm not happy about not eating. does this make sense? I wish I could eat. But I can't (and won't) because I'm not hungry. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: IE and dieting Rain, I really admire your courage and willingness to throw yourself into this IE journey. I'm sure it must be scary at times, but having gone through this with tons of resistance at first, I really do think you will move along your pathway that much quicker. Best, Abby No, I'm not complaining at all. Eating the cake and ice cream the way I am eating it now, honoring my hunger and satiety, beats the heck out of the deprivation while dieting, or the overeating and stuffing myself (and gaining weight) in between dieting episodes. There's no turning back, and I'll keep doing what I'm doing - moving forward. I did have eggs and toast this morning, but I think it's cake for me when I get home. Rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Katcha, once again, thank you for your insightful post. It causes me to think, But thinking is hard. It requires restraint AND strain (for me at least). I am learning to ask myself what it is I really want and the answers are sometimes hard to come by. I think I want a salad but when the time comes for the real choice, I choose something else. something dangerous; forbidden. Like cream sauce laden junk. I won't call it food becase although it goes in my mouth, I know it's going to clog my arteries more. If I go out, it's almost like seeing a movie with the pictres of the "forbidden" foods flashing at me EVEN IF KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO "HELP" ME. I think: why not? I'm not forbidding anything, so have the junk. why have what's "good" for me? even if I like it? Have the junky, creamy food instead since I'm not restricting myself. It really is like the childhood (?) dream of throwing myself in that vat of ice cream. To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:27 AMSubject: Re: IE and dieting Tai, I hear ya gal! And believe me I know that feeling too. And FEELING it is - emotional really, not physical body hunger (you know your stomach is full). If you can, take a slow deep breath and ask yourself exactly WHAT it is that you are wanting. If 'cake' pops up for you, ask yourself what it is that 'cake' will do for you - comfort? how? Perhaps 'cake' is more a reward? For what? Or could it be that while you ate to full stomach level, you didn't really get to eat what you WANTED - cake!?!? This is a BIG IE babystep - pulling the curtain away from the driving factors of non-body hunger. BEST wishes to you.KatchaIEing since March 2007>> > > In reference to this point, and I, too, appreciate your post, Rain -- right now I'm not hungry. I feel food in my stomach and it needs to be digested. Yet I want to eat. THAT is the struggle I face. I want to eat; I know or don't think I'm hungry -- yet I want to eat. Cake sounds like a lovely idea, but I don't have any in the house, and I'm not hungry. Two strikes against my desire to eat cake right now. And so I won't eat. But I'm not happy about not eating. does this make sense? I wish I could eat. But I can't (and won't) because I'm not hungry. Tai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Amen. I think being conscious is always more challenging than following any rule or dogma. But it's also, in my experience, richer and more rewarding. And despite the struggle, more peaceful. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Thanks. That helps me too. Sandy Just wanted to add that it was another member pointing out how she was able to satisfy her hunger, and having her hunger 'hold off' longer, by having 'fat' in her foods. I tested this for myself and what I found was that carb type foods, which digest first and fastest, would only 'hold' me for about an hour while foods with fat, which digest slower, would 'hold' me for a couple of hours. Protein is the slowest to digest and seems to 'hold' me for longer than fats. The lesson to me was that my body reacts to different FOODS differently. The real lesson was not about the food, it was how my body reacted to them. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > ps and for what it's worth, to me a cream laden sauce would NOT be junk and > i would not be worried about it going straight to my arteries. i don't agree > with the low fat diet philosophy. so it really goes to show, to me, that all > of our " truths " about diet aren't necessarily so. gentle nutrition will be > there later for you, in any case. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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