Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Hi , A couple of things I thought of reading your post... I actually remember tons of things from my childhood (due to trauma induced " hypernesia " I believe--the inverse of that being amnesia for huge blocks of time--because it can go either way when a child has been repeatedly traumatized) but having said that I do have certain memories that seem like " nothing much " .On closer examination,though,these " nothing much " memories are like a symbolic representation of what was really going on in my life in general.I used to wonder: Why do I recall these stupid things so clearly? Some of them are painful or seem weird but not terribly traumatic.These memories seem to me to be " little validations of my reality " that I recorded because they symbolize what I was having to deal with but these " nothing much " memories are easier to deal with than the full,awful reality of being in an insane and abusive environment. For example I remember very clearly meeting another little girl my age at an amusement park when I was about nine.We hooked up while waiting in line to go onto the bumper cars and started playing together and skipping off together to go on the other rides.But she kept calling me by the name of a character in a tv show when I had told her my name and when I asked her to call me by my name,she said I seemed more like this tv character so she wanted to keep calling me that name.It was freaking me out and she kept doing it and when I told her to stop,she insisted.So I ended up telling her to leave me alone because she wouldn't stop.And then she *followed* me around and I felt both bad for " rejecting " her and freaked out. Later on whenever I remembered this incident I was like: Why do I even remember this? And: Oh,well,that poor kid who knows what must have been going on in her life to make her behave so oddly.Or I used to think: Ha! Even when I was nine,I was a weirdo magnet.Or: Maybe we were attracted to eachother initially because we were both abused children. But I think now that this incident stuck in my mind mostly because it was so symbolic of how nada/fada treated me: refusing to call me by my name (as in,for how I truly was,not the figment of their personality disordered imaginations).And how relentless they were about it.And it's psychologically " easier " to remember that little girl insisting on calling me something/someone I was not than to recall nada and fada doing that; it feels much easier for that little girl's behavior to be crystal clear in my mind but it is also a marker to the rest of my reality with nada/fada. About that twenty year old intern at your work...it seems to me that if only the vast majority of people had parents who " filled " them up that there would just be alot less suffering in the world--the majority would be " bullet proof " to the machinations of wrong doers and that would deprive them of their power to harm.There's alot of cut throat dysfunction where I work and I've noticed that the ones who have a solid and healthy sense of self esteem are left alone by the PD types.What would the PDs do if they had nobody to pick on? Would they be forced to behave themselves? Wishful thinking maybe--as it is,the PDs dictate the terms of the coat throat atmosphere because they *can*.It just amazes me lately that these behaviors truly are the " elephant in the living room " of society--why the denial when PD behavior is everywhere? Just look at the news.Truly healthy functioning is transcending having to be either the sheep or the wolf but going about your business practicing harmlessness both to yourself and to others,not like a little lamb but more like that twenty year old intern who didn't take any crap but didn't dish any out,either.Would that we all had that kind of healthy strength from having never been broken or betrayed by our parents--and to take the wind out of the sails of any and all PD behavior in the workplace,for example.Imagine how much better the world would be if dictators and tyrants never got promoted into positions of power because no one *listened* to them... > > Hi , just saw this sorry for the late reply - this group moves fast so easy to lose track. Thanks for your sympathy about that mean little girl. Funny the things I remember when I've forgotten massive chunks of my childhood - but she's crystal clear. About your piano teacher, that must have been so sad to sit there practicing you scales sessions after session while her actions were dismissive of you - yet being able to say nothing about it, just internalizing it and having to play your part. Let her be fired retroactively! It really shows how strongly affecting it is to not have that foundation of support of a good mother and also knowing that someone would stand up for you if you needed it. > > A while ago I worked at a company that had an incredibly adversarial stressful atmosphere. There was an intern there that blew me away because no matter how much anyone tried to attack him or embarrass him, he was solid, stable, completely sure in himself - he was only 20. Talking to him it was very clear that he had been completely " filled " by his parents, he had never been broken in any fundamental way by life or betrayed by those he trusted and this made him pretty bullet-proof to the outside world. I still am a bit jealous would that we all had that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Hi , A couple of things I thought of reading your post... I actually remember tons of things from my childhood (due to trauma induced " hypernesia " I believe--the inverse of that being amnesia for huge blocks of time--because it can go either way when a child has been repeatedly traumatized) but having said that I do have certain memories that seem like " nothing much " .On closer examination,though,these " nothing much " memories are like a symbolic representation of what was really going on in my life in general.I used to wonder: Why do I recall these stupid things so clearly? Some of them are painful or seem weird but not terribly traumatic.These memories seem to me to be " little validations of my reality " that I recorded because they symbolize what I was having to deal with but these " nothing much " memories are easier to deal with than the full,awful reality of being in an insane and abusive environment. For example I remember very clearly meeting another little girl my age at an amusement park when I was about nine.We hooked up while waiting in line to go onto the bumper cars and started playing together and skipping off together to go on the other rides.But she kept calling me by the name of a character in a tv show when I had told her my name and when I asked her to call me by my name,she said I seemed more like this tv character so she wanted to keep calling me that name.It was freaking me out and she kept doing it and when I told her to stop,she insisted.So I ended up telling her to leave me alone because she wouldn't stop.And then she *followed* me around and I felt both bad for " rejecting " her and freaked out. Later on whenever I remembered this incident I was like: Why do I even remember this? And: Oh,well,that poor kid who knows what must have been going on in her life to make her behave so oddly.Or I used to think: Ha! Even when I was nine,I was a weirdo magnet.Or: Maybe we were attracted to eachother initially because we were both abused children. But I think now that this incident stuck in my mind mostly because it was so symbolic of how nada/fada treated me: refusing to call me by my name (as in,for how I truly was,not the figment of their personality disordered imaginations).And how relentless they were about it.And it's psychologically " easier " to remember that little girl insisting on calling me something/someone I was not than to recall nada and fada doing that; it feels much easier for that little girl's behavior to be crystal clear in my mind but it is also a marker to the rest of my reality with nada/fada. About that twenty year old intern at your work...it seems to me that if only the vast majority of people had parents who " filled " them up that there would just be alot less suffering in the world--the majority would be " bullet proof " to the machinations of wrong doers and that would deprive them of their power to harm.There's alot of cut throat dysfunction where I work and I've noticed that the ones who have a solid and healthy sense of self esteem are left alone by the PD types.What would the PDs do if they had nobody to pick on? Would they be forced to behave themselves? Wishful thinking maybe--as it is,the PDs dictate the terms of the coat throat atmosphere because they *can*.It just amazes me lately that these behaviors truly are the " elephant in the living room " of society--why the denial when PD behavior is everywhere? Just look at the news.Truly healthy functioning is transcending having to be either the sheep or the wolf but going about your business practicing harmlessness both to yourself and to others,not like a little lamb but more like that twenty year old intern who didn't take any crap but didn't dish any out,either.Would that we all had that kind of healthy strength from having never been broken or betrayed by our parents--and to take the wind out of the sails of any and all PD behavior in the workplace,for example.Imagine how much better the world would be if dictators and tyrants never got promoted into positions of power because no one *listened* to them... > > Hi , just saw this sorry for the late reply - this group moves fast so easy to lose track. Thanks for your sympathy about that mean little girl. Funny the things I remember when I've forgotten massive chunks of my childhood - but she's crystal clear. About your piano teacher, that must have been so sad to sit there practicing you scales sessions after session while her actions were dismissive of you - yet being able to say nothing about it, just internalizing it and having to play your part. Let her be fired retroactively! It really shows how strongly affecting it is to not have that foundation of support of a good mother and also knowing that someone would stand up for you if you needed it. > > A while ago I worked at a company that had an incredibly adversarial stressful atmosphere. There was an intern there that blew me away because no matter how much anyone tried to attack him or embarrass him, he was solid, stable, completely sure in himself - he was only 20. Talking to him it was very clear that he had been completely " filled " by his parents, he had never been broken in any fundamental way by life or betrayed by those he trusted and this made him pretty bullet-proof to the outside world. I still am a bit jealous would that we all had that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 I think that if most people were self-confident, poised, resilient, balanced, mentally healthy, and easily able to handle any nasty personality-disordered people that came their way (as easily as flicking away a pesky bug) ...that the pd bullies would simply implode for lack of an outlet. At least, that would be a great fantasy; sort of Monty Python-esque. " You must obey me *now*! Do you hear me!? I *demand* that you... " ***BLAM! -Annie > > > > Hi , just saw this sorry for the late reply - this group moves fast so easy to lose track. Thanks for your sympathy about that mean little girl. Funny the things I remember when I've forgotten massive chunks of my childhood - but she's crystal clear. About your piano teacher, that must have been so sad to sit there practicing you scales sessions after session while her actions were dismissive of you - yet being able to say nothing about it, just internalizing it and having to play your part. Let her be fired retroactively! It really shows how strongly affecting it is to not have that foundation of support of a good mother and also knowing that someone would stand up for you if you needed it. > > > > A while ago I worked at a company that had an incredibly adversarial stressful atmosphere. There was an intern there that blew me away because no matter how much anyone tried to attack him or embarrass him, he was solid, stable, completely sure in himself - he was only 20. Talking to him it was very clear that he had been completely " filled " by his parents, he had never been broken in any fundamental way by life or betrayed by those he trusted and this made him pretty bullet-proof to the outside world. I still am a bit jealous would that we all had that. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 I think that if most people were self-confident, poised, resilient, balanced, mentally healthy, and easily able to handle any nasty personality-disordered people that came their way (as easily as flicking away a pesky bug) ...that the pd bullies would simply implode for lack of an outlet. At least, that would be a great fantasy; sort of Monty Python-esque. " You must obey me *now*! Do you hear me!? I *demand* that you... " ***BLAM! -Annie > > > > Hi , just saw this sorry for the late reply - this group moves fast so easy to lose track. Thanks for your sympathy about that mean little girl. Funny the things I remember when I've forgotten massive chunks of my childhood - but she's crystal clear. About your piano teacher, that must have been so sad to sit there practicing you scales sessions after session while her actions were dismissive of you - yet being able to say nothing about it, just internalizing it and having to play your part. Let her be fired retroactively! It really shows how strongly affecting it is to not have that foundation of support of a good mother and also knowing that someone would stand up for you if you needed it. > > > > A while ago I worked at a company that had an incredibly adversarial stressful atmosphere. There was an intern there that blew me away because no matter how much anyone tried to attack him or embarrass him, he was solid, stable, completely sure in himself - he was only 20. Talking to him it was very clear that he had been completely " filled " by his parents, he had never been broken in any fundamental way by life or betrayed by those he trusted and this made him pretty bullet-proof to the outside world. I still am a bit jealous would that we all had that. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Ha ha,LOL,Annie... > > I think that if most people were self-confident, poised, resilient, balanced, mentally healthy, and easily able to handle any nasty personality-disordered people that came their way (as easily as flicking away a pesky bug) ...that the pd bullies would simply implode for lack of an outlet. > > At least, that would be a great fantasy; sort of Monty Python-esque. > > " You must obey me *now*! Do you hear me!? I *demand* that you... " > ***BLAM! > > -Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 No Annie, They would feed on each other, like the Kilkenny Cats... > > I think that if most people were self-confident, poised, resilient, balanced, mentally healthy, and easily able to handle any nasty personality-disordered people that came their way (as easily as flicking away a pesky bug) ...that the pd bullies would simply implode for lack of an outlet. > > At least, that would be a great fantasy; sort of Monty Python-esque. > > " You must obey me *now*! Do you hear me!? I *demand* that you... " > ***BLAM! > > -Annie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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