Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 I am mostly NC with nada and I have really pulled away from my family in general. It's just easier. We see my FOO about one or two times each year now. Nada and fada live 3 blocks form us. My oldest child went trick or treating with several friends this year in our neighborhood. He told us afterward that they stopped at my parent's house and she gave them money instead of candy. Since then, he has been asking a lot about getting together with them for the holidays. I feel like I need to give him a better explanation of why I don't want to see them more often but what do I say and how detailed do I get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I'm not sure I can answer what you should do in your situation--you're the only one who knows your family dynamic and the needs of your children. But I can tell you about my experience. I try to have periodic conversations about personal boundaries and safety with the kids. I have told them that it is okay to say no to anyone if they feel uncomfortable about something, EVEN IF it's their grandparents. I teach my kids never to go anywhere with anyone unless we have told them ahead of time that it is okay. We have a secret family password, and they know that anyone who tells them Mom and Dad asked them to take them somewhere needs to know that password, EVEN IF it's their grandparents. (Having taught them this eased my anxiety about the incredibly remote possibility that someday my mom will show up at their school and try to check them out.) I teach them that they are good people who deserve to be treated with respect, and that no one should ever yell at them, call them names, or touch them in a way that makes them uncomfortable--even if it's just a hug and they don't want to hug right then--EVEN IF it's their grandparents. One time when discussing this, I did mention to my kids that their grandmother is not always a safe person to be around, and that she used to yell at me and their aunt and call us names. I told them that I do not think she is safe for them to be alone with because I don't want her to do that to them. I do not know whether this was entirely the best thing to do, but they seemed to understand. Sometimes we don't give kids enough credit, they are very perceptive and already know that something is very off about my mother. I thought it would help to tell them that it is not okay for anyone to treat them that way, EVEN IF it's their grandparents--or EVEN IF it's me or their dad. I asked them to please tell me if they think I am getting too angry or yelling at them, because they do not deserve to be yelled at. I know this is a fault of mine, and I try to keep it in check, but it's a major flea that I am impatient and snap about little things sometimes, and I need to apologize for. I want them to know that they can speak up and will not get in trouble for it. I have taught my children that I want them to come tell us if anyone ever makes them feel uncomfortable or will not listen when they say " no, " EVEN IF its their grandparents. I have taught them that it is never okay for an adult to ask a child to keep a secret from their parents, EVEN IF it's their grandparents (do you sense the theme?) and that they should tell us right away if this happens. Especially if the other person threatens to hurt them or their family for telling. So, with the exception of that one time, I have not specifically told them things that my mother has done, but I do try to teach them skills for dealing with any toxic people. I don't want to burden them or make them feel uneasy about their grandmother; I want them to get to enjoy the good things about her while I remain present to prevent any bad ones. Of course, if she ever does anything to warrant NC, we will discuss that with them. KT PS, I cannot imagine my parents living that close. Yikes! > > I am mostly NC with nada and I have really pulled away from my family in general. It's just easier. We see my FOO about one or two times each year now. Nada and fada live 3 blocks form us. > > My oldest child went trick or treating with several friends this year in our neighborhood. He told us afterward that they stopped at my parent's house and she gave them money instead of candy. Since then, he has been asking a lot about getting together with them for the holidays. I feel like I need to give him a better explanation of why I don't want to see them more often but what do I say and how detailed do I get? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I'm not sure I can answer what you should do in your situation--you're the only one who knows your family dynamic and the needs of your children. But I can tell you about my experience. I try to have periodic conversations about personal boundaries and safety with the kids. I have told them that it is okay to say no to anyone if they feel uncomfortable about something, EVEN IF it's their grandparents. I teach my kids never to go anywhere with anyone unless we have told them ahead of time that it is okay. We have a secret family password, and they know that anyone who tells them Mom and Dad asked them to take them somewhere needs to know that password, EVEN IF it's their grandparents. (Having taught them this eased my anxiety about the incredibly remote possibility that someday my mom will show up at their school and try to check them out.) I teach them that they are good people who deserve to be treated with respect, and that no one should ever yell at them, call them names, or touch them in a way that makes them uncomfortable--even if it's just a hug and they don't want to hug right then--EVEN IF it's their grandparents. One time when discussing this, I did mention to my kids that their grandmother is not always a safe person to be around, and that she used to yell at me and their aunt and call us names. I told them that I do not think she is safe for them to be alone with because I don't want her to do that to them. I do not know whether this was entirely the best thing to do, but they seemed to understand. Sometimes we don't give kids enough credit, they are very perceptive and already know that something is very off about my mother. I thought it would help to tell them that it is not okay for anyone to treat them that way, EVEN IF it's their grandparents--or EVEN IF it's me or their dad. I asked them to please tell me if they think I am getting too angry or yelling at them, because they do not deserve to be yelled at. I know this is a fault of mine, and I try to keep it in check, but it's a major flea that I am impatient and snap about little things sometimes, and I need to apologize for. I want them to know that they can speak up and will not get in trouble for it. I have taught my children that I want them to come tell us if anyone ever makes them feel uncomfortable or will not listen when they say " no, " EVEN IF its their grandparents. I have taught them that it is never okay for an adult to ask a child to keep a secret from their parents, EVEN IF it's their grandparents (do you sense the theme?) and that they should tell us right away if this happens. Especially if the other person threatens to hurt them or their family for telling. So, with the exception of that one time, I have not specifically told them things that my mother has done, but I do try to teach them skills for dealing with any toxic people. I don't want to burden them or make them feel uneasy about their grandmother; I want them to get to enjoy the good things about her while I remain present to prevent any bad ones. Of course, if she ever does anything to warrant NC, we will discuss that with them. KT PS, I cannot imagine my parents living that close. Yikes! > > I am mostly NC with nada and I have really pulled away from my family in general. It's just easier. We see my FOO about one or two times each year now. Nada and fada live 3 blocks form us. > > My oldest child went trick or treating with several friends this year in our neighborhood. He told us afterward that they stopped at my parent's house and she gave them money instead of candy. Since then, he has been asking a lot about getting together with them for the holidays. I feel like I need to give him a better explanation of why I don't want to see them more often but what do I say and how detailed do I get? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Dear KT and patinage4me, Thanks for this post and informative response. I am wondering what counseling professionals or development experts recommend regarding this issue. (Although I often prefer advice from fellow fighters " in the trenches " ). I live within 3 blocks of nada as well and arranged this myself!!! (Right before I found this board.) I still think it might benefit us in the long run as I am the only family member and will probably choose to help her as she ages. Her hermit ways make the location a mute point anyway. :-) KT, I liked your idea of giving boundary information in a general sense and also mentioning EVEN IF it is your grandparents, or parents! Brave of you. ha ha I have talked to my son about my behavior before too; perhaps this is bad parenting or something. But I told him that yelling at him is wrong and I was trying to do better, pray about it, read books about parenting, etc. He liked this and answered that I have been much nicer lately. It made me happy and horribly sad at the same time. Poor little kid. -Coal Miner's Daughter > > > > I am mostly NC with nada and I have really pulled away from my family in general. It's just easier. We see my FOO about one or two times each year now. Nada and fada live 3 blocks form us. > > > > My oldest child went trick or treating with several friends this year in our neighborhood. He told us afterward that they stopped at my parent's house and she gave them money instead of candy. Since then, he has been asking a lot about getting together with them for the holidays. I feel like I need to give him a better explanation of why I don't want to see them more often but what do I say and how detailed do I get? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Dear KT and patinage4me, Thanks for this post and informative response. I am wondering what counseling professionals or development experts recommend regarding this issue. (Although I often prefer advice from fellow fighters " in the trenches " ). I live within 3 blocks of nada as well and arranged this myself!!! (Right before I found this board.) I still think it might benefit us in the long run as I am the only family member and will probably choose to help her as she ages. Her hermit ways make the location a mute point anyway. :-) KT, I liked your idea of giving boundary information in a general sense and also mentioning EVEN IF it is your grandparents, or parents! Brave of you. ha ha I have talked to my son about my behavior before too; perhaps this is bad parenting or something. But I told him that yelling at him is wrong and I was trying to do better, pray about it, read books about parenting, etc. He liked this and answered that I have been much nicer lately. It made me happy and horribly sad at the same time. Poor little kid. -Coal Miner's Daughter > > > > I am mostly NC with nada and I have really pulled away from my family in general. It's just easier. We see my FOO about one or two times each year now. Nada and fada live 3 blocks form us. > > > > My oldest child went trick or treating with several friends this year in our neighborhood. He told us afterward that they stopped at my parent's house and she gave them money instead of candy. Since then, he has been asking a lot about getting together with them for the holidays. I feel like I need to give him a better explanation of why I don't want to see them more often but what do I say and how detailed do I get? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I'm very frank with my children, even tho they are young (12, 12, 10, 7). I have told them that there is something wrong with the wiring in Nada's brain. She has a hard time controlling her temper and blames others for things that did not happen. I also explained that she is not LYING, it's that her brain sees things differently and it is TRUE to her. I told them it is not our responsibility to accept her anger or adjust the real truth for her, or try to make her happy. That is her job, and if she doesn't want to do it for herself, we won't do it for her. When I was done, one of my 12 yo said " That's pretty sad mom. I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her. " LOL!!!! (I may have gone into much more detail than others would, but we LIVED with her for 7 years, so I had to help them shed a lot of fleas and fog.) > > I am mostly NC with nada and I have really pulled away from my family in general. It's just easier. We see my FOO about one or two times each year now. Nada and fada live 3 blocks form us. > > My oldest child went trick or treating with several friends this year in our neighborhood. He told us afterward that they stopped at my parent's house and she gave them money instead of candy. Since then, he has been asking a lot about getting together with them for the holidays. I feel like I need to give him a better explanation of why I don't want to see them more often but what do I say and how detailed do I get? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Thanks everyone - great ideas. I read these awhile ago and never posted a response back. What a great idea to keep it in third party terms instead of dragging nada through the mud. Not that I am not tempted to but I think that would just further confuse my son and be rather nada-like. My nada is not a terrible person and has some good qualities. I am trying hard to celebrate the best and put down the rest while being vigilant in protecting me and mine in the present. Does our dance ever end? peace, patinage > > I am mostly NC with nada and I have really pulled away from my family in general. It's just easier. We see my FOO about one or two times each year now. Nada and fada live 3 blocks form us. > > My oldest child went trick or treating with several friends this year in our neighborhood. He told us afterward that they stopped at my parent's house and she gave them money instead of candy. Since then, he has been asking a lot about getting together with them for the holidays. I feel like I need to give him a better explanation of why I don't want to see them more often but what do I say and how detailed do I get? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 LOL @ my4fireflies' wonderful 12yo! What a sharp cookie! " I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her! " - it's just so refreshingly true and honest. And it would take me YEARS of therapy to get to that level. Guess you're doing something right! > > I'm very frank with my children, even tho they are young (12, 12, 10, 7). I have told them that there is something wrong with the wiring in Nada's brain. She has a hard time controlling her temper and blames others for things that did not happen. I also explained that she is not LYING, it's that her brain sees things differently and it is TRUE to her. I told them it is not our responsibility to accept her anger or adjust the real truth for her, or try to make her happy. That is her job, and if she doesn't want to do it for herself, we won't do it for her. When I was done, one of my 12 yo said " That's pretty sad mom. I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her. " LOL!!!! (I may have gone into much more detail than others would, but we LIVED with her for 7 years, so I had to help them shed a lot of fleas and fog.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 LOL @ my4fireflies' wonderful 12yo! What a sharp cookie! " I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her! " - it's just so refreshingly true and honest. And it would take me YEARS of therapy to get to that level. Guess you're doing something right! > > I'm very frank with my children, even tho they are young (12, 12, 10, 7). I have told them that there is something wrong with the wiring in Nada's brain. She has a hard time controlling her temper and blames others for things that did not happen. I also explained that she is not LYING, it's that her brain sees things differently and it is TRUE to her. I told them it is not our responsibility to accept her anger or adjust the real truth for her, or try to make her happy. That is her job, and if she doesn't want to do it for herself, we won't do it for her. When I was done, one of my 12 yo said " That's pretty sad mom. I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her. " LOL!!!! (I may have gone into much more detail than others would, but we LIVED with her for 7 years, so I had to help them shed a lot of fleas and fog.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 LOL @ my4fireflies' wonderful 12yo! What a sharp cookie! " I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her! " - it's just so refreshingly true and honest. And it would take me YEARS of therapy to get to that level. Guess you're doing something right! > > I'm very frank with my children, even tho they are young (12, 12, 10, 7). I have told them that there is something wrong with the wiring in Nada's brain. She has a hard time controlling her temper and blames others for things that did not happen. I also explained that she is not LYING, it's that her brain sees things differently and it is TRUE to her. I told them it is not our responsibility to accept her anger or adjust the real truth for her, or try to make her happy. That is her job, and if she doesn't want to do it for herself, we won't do it for her. When I was done, one of my 12 yo said " That's pretty sad mom. I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her. " LOL!!!! (I may have gone into much more detail than others would, but we LIVED with her for 7 years, so I had to help them shed a lot of fleas and fog.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 i think it is always a good idea to be open and frank with children as much as possible, just as with adults.. and your explanations are excellent here to me.. congrats! Â you have made some lemonade with your lemony situation.may we all heal, ann Subject: Re: Advice on what to tell my kids To: WTOAdultChildren1 Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 9:23 PM Â LOL @ my4fireflies' wonderful 12yo! What a sharp cookie! " I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her! " - it's just so refreshingly true and honest. And it would take me YEARS of therapy to get to that level. Guess you're doing something right! > > I'm very frank with my children, even tho they are young (12, 12, 10, 7). I have told them that there is something wrong with the wiring in Nada's brain. She has a hard time controlling her temper and blames others for things that did not happen. I also explained that she is not LYING, it's that her brain sees things differently and it is TRUE to her. I told them it is not our responsibility to accept her anger or adjust the real truth for her, or try to make her happy. That is her job, and if she doesn't want to do it for herself, we won't do it for her. When I was done, one of my 12 yo said " That's pretty sad mom. I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her. " LOL!!!! (I may have gone into much more detail than others would, but we LIVED with her for 7 years, so I had to help them shed a lot of fleas and fog.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 i think it is always a good idea to be open and frank with children as much as possible, just as with adults.. and your explanations are excellent here to me.. congrats! Â you have made some lemonade with your lemony situation.may we all heal, ann Subject: Re: Advice on what to tell my kids To: WTOAdultChildren1 Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 9:23 PM Â LOL @ my4fireflies' wonderful 12yo! What a sharp cookie! " I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her! " - it's just so refreshingly true and honest. And it would take me YEARS of therapy to get to that level. Guess you're doing something right! > > I'm very frank with my children, even tho they are young (12, 12, 10, 7). I have told them that there is something wrong with the wiring in Nada's brain. She has a hard time controlling her temper and blames others for things that did not happen. I also explained that she is not LYING, it's that her brain sees things differently and it is TRUE to her. I told them it is not our responsibility to accept her anger or adjust the real truth for her, or try to make her happy. That is her job, and if she doesn't want to do it for herself, we won't do it for her. When I was done, one of my 12 yo said " That's pretty sad mom. I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her. " LOL!!!! (I may have gone into much more detail than others would, but we LIVED with her for 7 years, so I had to help them shed a lot of fleas and fog.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 i think it is always a good idea to be open and frank with children as much as possible, just as with adults.. and your explanations are excellent here to me.. congrats! Â you have made some lemonade with your lemony situation.may we all heal, ann Subject: Re: Advice on what to tell my kids To: WTOAdultChildren1 Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 9:23 PM Â LOL @ my4fireflies' wonderful 12yo! What a sharp cookie! " I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her! " - it's just so refreshingly true and honest. And it would take me YEARS of therapy to get to that level. Guess you're doing something right! > > I'm very frank with my children, even tho they are young (12, 12, 10, 7). I have told them that there is something wrong with the wiring in Nada's brain. She has a hard time controlling her temper and blames others for things that did not happen. I also explained that she is not LYING, it's that her brain sees things differently and it is TRUE to her. I told them it is not our responsibility to accept her anger or adjust the real truth for her, or try to make her happy. That is her job, and if she doesn't want to do it for herself, we won't do it for her. When I was done, one of my 12 yo said " That's pretty sad mom. I feel bad for her, but not bad enough to go see her. " LOL!!!! (I may have gone into much more detail than others would, but we LIVED with her for 7 years, so I had to help them shed a lot of fleas and fog.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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