Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

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I would pose this question to the BVCD group and Pecanbread group as that sounds like maybe they have a bacterial problem then? GrayTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:57:55 PMSubject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.

Dianne

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

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> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

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> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

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> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

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> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

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I would pose this question to the BVCD group and Pecanbread group as that sounds like maybe they have a bacterial problem then? GrayTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:57:55 PMSubject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.

Dianne

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

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Does that mean there is bad bacteria in the gut? 

 

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.

Dianne

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

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Sorry, I posted before I read all the other posts.Hi again, Tammy -- I've been wondering where you were...how's the Buick?  Heh heh!  Rhonda, how long term is long term for the Flagyl?  I could probably bring this up with our DAN and he could write us a script for Flagyl. 

The strange thing with probiotics is that she reacts badly to probiotics.  We were on Genestra's HMF Neuro Powder and that didn't do much and I've had times where diarrhea stopped when I took out the probiotics.  Culturelle gave her really really nasty stomach aches.  We were out on the first day she had started Culturelle and she buckled down on the ground holding her stomach and then had the diarrhea of her life.  I wasn't sure if that was a good or bad thing at the time...

Does that mean there is bad bacteria in the gut? 

 

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.

Dianne

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

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The same thing hapen to my son, the only time he had a form stool he was on atibiotics.The last 6 day he had 80% form stool. (not using antibiotics) I am happy because, before it was liquid and every 2 or 3 days, it was really bad. I try every thing for more than a year. This is a very good question, I hope some one has the answer. Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:57 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him. Dianne > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection). > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes. > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this? >[The entire original message is not included]

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The same thing hapen to my son, the only time he had a form stool he was on atibiotics.The last 6 day he had 80% form stool. (not using antibiotics) I am happy because, before it was liquid and every 2 or 3 days, it was really bad. I try every thing for more than a year. This is a very good question, I hope some one has the answer. Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:57 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him. Dianne > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection). > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes. > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this? >[The entire original message is not included]

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The same thing hapen to my son, the only time he had a form stool he was on atibiotics.The last 6 day he had 80% form stool. (not using antibiotics) I am happy because, before it was liquid and every 2 or 3 days, it was really bad. I try every thing for more than a year. This is a very good question, I hope some one has the answer. Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:57 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him. Dianne > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection). > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes. > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this? >[The entire original message is not included]

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yup

From: Alberta

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:45 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Does that mean there is bad bacteria in the gut?

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.Dianne

>> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.> > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?>

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Ditto.Uva Ursi 2 weeks on/2 weeks off works in my house. Make sure you rotate with the on/off schedule because long term use is toxic. As long as you rotate you can use it as long as necessary. But given how long you've had loose stools, I have to wonder if you don't need something stronger. I also have to wonder if you might need something a little more long term. My son was on erythromycin for one year (but not for gut issues) and it did absolute wonders.

Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@midian42~

yup

From: Alberta

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:45 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Does that mean there is bad bacteria in the gut?

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.Dianne

>> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.> > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?>

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Would long term use destroy the immune system?

 

Many kids live on antibiotics. My son has been on various antibiotics for 3 years. I would start with the one that helped your child. Ask you DAN to write a long term prescription and pursue testing of various bacterial infections.

Caryn

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

Would long term use destroy the immune system?

 

Many kids live on antibiotics. My son has been on various antibiotics for 3 years. I would start with the one that helped your child. Ask you DAN to write a long term prescription and pursue testing of various bacterial infections.

Caryn

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

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my son has been on it for a year as well, for PANDAS and lyme and we see a difference as well on stools, doing biofilm as well hoping it helps

From: Alberta

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:50 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Would long term use destroy the immune system?

Many kids live on antibiotics. My son has been on various antibiotics for 3 years. I would start with the one that helped your child. Ask you DAN to write a long term prescription and pursue testing of various bacterial infections.Caryn

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.> > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?>

[Guest guest]

my son has been on it for a year as well, for PANDAS and lyme and we see a difference as well on stools, doing biofilm as well hoping it helps

From: Alberta

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:50 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Would long term use destroy the immune system?

Many kids live on antibiotics. My son has been on various antibiotics for 3 years. I would start with the one that helped your child. Ask you DAN to write a long term prescription and pursue testing of various bacterial infections.Caryn

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> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.> > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?>

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From: Suzanne

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:27 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilvawww.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > >> > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > of things with her with diet.> > >> > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > >> > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > her.> > >> > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > even with enzymes.> > >> > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > >> >> > > >>

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I will go on board to disagree, the direah IS a sign of your gut ALREADY being a mess, a probitoic alone in our cases have never solved the issue. we suffered with cronic direaha for 3 years avoiding antibiotics because I was SO scared of yeast and delayed gains we could have gotten quickly, pouring in 200 billion in probiotics, natural fighters ect, diet changes nothing worked. and here I stand with PANDAS because we didn't treat sooner and more aggressive and his bone age is now 2 years behind in growth from his metabolics being a mess....all could have been saved with having used antibioids. the actual cause if you are seeing it solved with antibiotics is there IS a bacteria infection inbeding in the gut, you can treat yeast and bacteria at the same time as well....

From: Suzanne

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:27 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilvawww.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > >> > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > of things with her with diet.> > >> > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > >> > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > her.> > >> > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > even with enzymes.> > >> > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > >> >> > > >>

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antibiotics also have anti inflammitory qualities

From: biomed_mom

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:16 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Why would you treat yeast when the problem is bacterial? I have to disagree. There are many kids that have done well on long term antibiotics for a variety of reasons, including mine. Erythromycin can actually be good for the gut as it mimics motilin in both the gut and the brain, which some kids are likely to be low in. I can't say anything about any other antibiotic but I know that many PANDAS kids need it. I'll have to leave that explanation to the PANDAS people, though. When we switched to our DAN from Dr. G, she knew all of this so I don't think it's that novel in DAN. I can't say that for sure, though, as I've only seen 1 DAN. :)Here's a conversation I had with Owens in 2007 on Erythromycin and motilin, including studies. I learned a lot from her that day. *smiles fondly* Seems I've learned a lot from , though.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/18914Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@midian42~--- In mb12 valtrex , "Suzanne" wrote:>> Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. > > Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. > > I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.> > Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva> www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > > > > >> > > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > > of things with her with diet.> > > >> > > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > > >> > > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > > her.> > > >> > > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > > even with enzymes.> > > >> > > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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antibiotics also have anti inflammitory qualities

From: biomed_mom

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:16 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

Why would you treat yeast when the problem is bacterial? I have to disagree. There are many kids that have done well on long term antibiotics for a variety of reasons, including mine. Erythromycin can actually be good for the gut as it mimics motilin in both the gut and the brain, which some kids are likely to be low in. I can't say anything about any other antibiotic but I know that many PANDAS kids need it. I'll have to leave that explanation to the PANDAS people, though. When we switched to our DAN from Dr. G, she knew all of this so I don't think it's that novel in DAN. I can't say that for sure, though, as I've only seen 1 DAN. :)Here's a conversation I had with Owens in 2007 on Erythromycin and motilin, including studies. I learned a lot from her that day. *smiles fondly* Seems I've learned a lot from , though.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/18914Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@midian42~--- In mb12 valtrex , "Suzanne" wrote:>> Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. > > Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. > > I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.> > Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva> www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > > > > >> > > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > > of things with her with diet.> > > >> > > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > > >> > > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > > her.> > > >> > > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > > even with enzymes.> > > >> > > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. 

Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer.  In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards.  I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx.  I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right.  In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now.  She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food.  Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. 

I've been doing everything I can think of dietary.  NOTHING is working.  I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food.  NOTHING is working. 

I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

 

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

 

My son had giardia and C. diff.   We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate).  It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff.  we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test

results to see if the c.diff is gone.     

 

Cheers, mardi

 

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We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. 

Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer.  In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards.  I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx.  I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right.  In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now.  She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food.  Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. 

I've been doing everything I can think of dietary.  NOTHING is working.  I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food.  NOTHING is working. 

I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

 

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

 

My son had giardia and C. diff.   We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate).  It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff.  we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test

results to see if the c.diff is gone.     

 

Cheers, mardi

 

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I've even reduced oxalates significantly and she had a very obvious oxalate dump last week.  Stools were grainy and sandy.  I was in shock how much was dumped!  But stools still didn't change and even got more liquidy after that (not that I don't think she needed to dump oxalates -- that was a good thing, but still didn't address the root of the chronic diarrhea problem).

We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. 

Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer.  In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards.  I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx.  I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right.  In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now.  She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food.  Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. 

I've been doing everything I can think of dietary.  NOTHING is working.  I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food.  NOTHING is working. 

I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

 

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

 

My son had giardia and C. diff.   We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate).  It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff.  we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test

results to see if the c.diff is gone.     

 

Cheers, mardi

 

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I've even reduced oxalates significantly and she had a very obvious oxalate dump last week.  Stools were grainy and sandy.  I was in shock how much was dumped!  But stools still didn't change and even got more liquidy after that (not that I don't think she needed to dump oxalates -- that was a good thing, but still didn't address the root of the chronic diarrhea problem).

We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. 

Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer.  In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards.  I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx.  I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right.  In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now.  She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food.  Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. 

I've been doing everything I can think of dietary.  NOTHING is working.  I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food.  NOTHING is working. 

I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

 

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

 

My son had giardia and C. diff.   We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate).  It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff.  we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test

results to see if the c.diff is gone.     

 

Cheers, mardi

 

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I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack.

P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : )

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for

about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone.

Cheers, mardi

[Guest guest]

I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack.

P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : )

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for

about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone.

Cheers, mardi

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fruits weither cooked or not will still feed yeast, what kinds of fruits are you doing?

From: T Lynn

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:13 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack.

P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : )

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone.

Cheers, mardi

[Guest guest]

fruits weither cooked or not will still feed yeast, what kinds of fruits are you doing?

From: T Lynn

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:13 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack.

P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : )

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx.

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone.

Cheers, mardi