Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

[Guest guest]

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was

on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off

the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this

happens with him.

Dianne

>

> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of

things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she

is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic

twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm

just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing

nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They

were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had

been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs

degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was

on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off

the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this

happens with him.

Dianne

>

> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of

things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she

is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic

twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm

just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing

nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They

were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had

been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs

degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was

on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off

the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this

happens with him.

Dianne

>

> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of

things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she

is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic

twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm

just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing

nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They

were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had

been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs

degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet.

Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

Hi Alberta! It's good to see you around : )

hm...ok, if we stop to think about this, we can assume that the antibiotics she is taking for her ear infections are also killing some sort of bacteria in her stomach, (both good and bad). Are you using a probiotic when she's done with the anti? I know you have to be so careful with what you feed her so I can't remember if that's part of your dietary strategy for her. But it might be a good place to start. I remember you were starting to make connections with the way she processed proteins and I can't help but wonder how the two might be related. ??? Keep on keepin' on, mama. Eventually, you've gotta come across the answer.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:53:55 AMSubject: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

Hi Alberta! It's good to see you around : )

hm...ok, if we stop to think about this, we can assume that the antibiotics she is taking for her ear infections are also killing some sort of bacteria in her stomach, (both good and bad). Are you using a probiotic when she's done with the anti? I know you have to be so careful with what you feed her so I can't remember if that's part of your dietary strategy for her. But it might be a good place to start. I remember you were starting to make connections with the way she processed proteins and I can't help but wonder how the two might be related. ??? Keep on keepin' on, mama. Eventually, you've gotta come across the answer.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:53:55 AMSubject: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

Hi Alberta! It's good to see you around : )

hm...ok, if we stop to think about this, we can assume that the antibiotics she is taking for her ear infections are also killing some sort of bacteria in her stomach, (both good and bad). Are you using a probiotic when she's done with the anti? I know you have to be so careful with what you feed her so I can't remember if that's part of your dietary strategy for her. But it might be a good place to start. I remember you were starting to make connections with the way she processed proteins and I can't help but wonder how the two might be related. ??? Keep on keepin' on, mama. Eventually, you've gotta come across the answer.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:53:55 AMSubject: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

we are there 3 months going strong with my youngest, she has clostrida in her gut that won't die!!!!!

From: Rhonda Masengale

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:20 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

we are there 3 months going strong with my youngest, she has clostrida in her gut that won't die!!!!!

From: Rhonda Masengale

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:20 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

we are there 3 months going strong with my youngest, she has clostrida in her gut that won't die!!!!!

From: Rhonda Masengale

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:20 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

you can do a comp stool but you are likely to find out what you already have figured out, she has bacteria in her gut wrecking everything and making it a mess, likely clostrida or strep

From: Rhonda Masengale

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:20 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale

My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

[Guest guest]

This is actually fairly common and indicates that your child probably has

colonized bacteria in the gut that are knocked out temporarily by the

antibiotics. The stool issues usually come back as soon as the

antibiotics are completed, because the basic cause(s) of the pathogen overgrowth

have not been adequately addressed.

She should be on a probiotic while taking the antibiotic, just be sure to take

them 3 hours apart so the antibiotic does not kill off the antibiotic.

I think that you need to consider starting to treat the bacteria issues.

Culturelle seems to work well for bacteria and you may want to consider

Grapefruit seed extract as well.

Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva

www.fcchiropacticcenter.com

>

> Hi Alberta!  It's good to see you around  : )

>

> hm...ok, if we stop to think about this, we can assume that the antibiotics

she

> is taking for her ear infections are also killing some sort of bacteria in her

> stomach, (both good and bad).  Are you using a probiotic when she's done with

> the anti?  I know you have to be so careful with what you feed her so I can't

> remember if that's part of your dietary strategy for her.  But it might be

a

> good place to start.  I remember you were starting to make connections with

the

> way she processed proteins and I can't help but wonder how the two might be

> related.   ???   Keep on keepin' on, mama.  Eventually, you've gotta come

across

> the answer.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:53:55 AM

> Subject: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

>

>  

> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of

> things with her with diet.

>

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she

> is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an

antibiotic

> twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm

just

> getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing

> nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They

> were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had

> been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs

degraded

> back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

This is actually fairly common and indicates that your child probably has

colonized bacteria in the gut that are knocked out temporarily by the

antibiotics. The stool issues usually come back as soon as the

antibiotics are completed, because the basic cause(s) of the pathogen overgrowth

have not been adequately addressed.

She should be on a probiotic while taking the antibiotic, just be sure to take

them 3 hours apart so the antibiotic does not kill off the antibiotic.

I think that you need to consider starting to treat the bacteria issues.

Culturelle seems to work well for bacteria and you may want to consider

Grapefruit seed extract as well.

Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva

www.fcchiropacticcenter.com

>

> Hi Alberta!  It's good to see you around  : )

>

> hm...ok, if we stop to think about this, we can assume that the antibiotics

she

> is taking for her ear infections are also killing some sort of bacteria in her

> stomach, (both good and bad).  Are you using a probiotic when she's done with

> the anti?  I know you have to be so careful with what you feed her so I can't

> remember if that's part of your dietary strategy for her.  But it might be

a

> good place to start.  I remember you were starting to make connections with

the

> way she processed proteins and I can't help but wonder how the two might be

> related.   ???   Keep on keepin' on, mama.  Eventually, you've gotta come

across

> the answer.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 11:53:55 AM

> Subject: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection

>

>  

> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of

> things with her with diet.

>

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she

> is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an

antibiotic

> twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm

just

> getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing

> nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They

> were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had

> been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs

degraded

> back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

Many kids live on antibiotics. My son has been on various antibiotics for 3

years. I would start with the one that helped your child. Ask you DAN to write

a long term prescription and pursue testing of various bacterial infections.

Caryn

>

> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of

things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she

is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic

twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm

just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing

nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They

were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had

been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs

degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

Many kids live on antibiotics. My son has been on various antibiotics for 3

years. I would start with the one that helped your child. Ask you DAN to write

a long term prescription and pursue testing of various bacterial infections.

Caryn

>

> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of

things with her with diet.

>

> Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she

is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic

twice for an ear infection).

>

> She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her.

>

> Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm

just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing

nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They

were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had

been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs

degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.

>

> Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

>

[Guest guest]

Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using

antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason

that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the

actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic.

Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria,

which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing

when you end up having severe gut issues.

I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria

with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a

good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial

before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond

to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't

disrupt the gut.

Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva

www.fcchiropracticcenter.com

> > >

> > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot

> > of things with her with diet.

> > >

> > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested

> > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on

> > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

> > >

> > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with

> > her.

> > >

> > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but

> > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics

> > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no

> > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just

> > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after

> > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested

> > even with enzymes.

> > >

> > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using

antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason

that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the

actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic.

Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria,

which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing

when you end up having severe gut issues.

I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria

with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a

good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial

before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond

to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't

disrupt the gut.

Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva

www.fcchiropracticcenter.com

> > >

> > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot

> > of things with her with diet.

> > >

> > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested

> > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on

> > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

> > >

> > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with

> > her.

> > >

> > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but

> > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics

> > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no

> > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just

> > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after

> > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested

> > even with enzymes.

> > >

> > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It is reasonable to believe that the weak immune system comes from the untreated

infections. Therefore, if you treat all the infections, the immune system is

good. I know several kids that recovered from autism on an antibiotic ONLY

protocol -- nothing else.

It is not a good idea to simply leave a bacterial infection out of fear of

antibiotics.

Caryn

> > >

> > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot

> > of things with her with diet.

> > >

> > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested

> > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on

> > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

> > >

> > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with

> > her.

> > >

> > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but

> > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics

> > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no

> > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just

> > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after

> > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested

> > even with enzymes.

> > >

> > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It is reasonable to believe that the weak immune system comes from the untreated

infections. Therefore, if you treat all the infections, the immune system is

good. I know several kids that recovered from autism on an antibiotic ONLY

protocol -- nothing else.

It is not a good idea to simply leave a bacterial infection out of fear of

antibiotics.

Caryn

> > >

> > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot

> > of things with her with diet.

> > >

> > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested

> > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on

> > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

> > >

> > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with

> > her.

> > >

> > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but

> > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics

> > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no

> > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just

> > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after

> > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested

> > even with enzymes.

> > >

> > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I support this view. When this happened to my children, I then realized

that at my house, bad bacteria was the main cause of our symptoms. We

have chronic Strep and Bartonella. Cod liver oil, turmeric, Mindlinx,

and digestive enzymes, all given together, firmed their stools. But

also Zithromax did as well. That was 4 years ago. Since then I have

learned that Zithromax is the number one antibiotic given to children

with autism, and is also given long-term at times. I recently read that

Penicillan may also be of benefit. Some antibiotics may kill too much

microflora, such as amoxicillan. I chose the herbal and homeopathic

route, long-term, but have used Zithromax short-term. There are

variances per child, but definitely pursue antibacterials with your

practitioner to be part of your recovery protocol. With children with

autism, their immune dysfunction seems to make the antibacterials not

work completely, and this is why long-term treatments are usually

needed. It is thought that viruses and several pathogens and toxins are

in them, causing the immune dysfunction.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Many kids live on antibiotics. My son has been on various antibiotics

for 3 years. I would start with the one that helped your child. Ask you

DAN to write a long term prescription and pursue testing of various

bacterial infections.

Caryn

[Guest guest]

Why would you treat yeast when the problem is bacterial? I have to disagree.

There are many kids that have done well on long term antibiotics for a variety

of reasons, including mine. Erythromycin can actually be good for the gut as it

mimics motilin in both the gut and the brain, which some kids are likely to be

low in. I can't say anything about any other antibiotic but I know that many

PANDAS kids need it. I'll have to leave that explanation to the PANDAS people,

though.

When we switched to our DAN from Dr. G, she knew all of this so I don't think

it's that novel in DAN. I can't say that for sure, though, as I've only seen 1

DAN.

Here's a conversation I had with Owens in 2007 on Erythromycin and

motilin, including studies. I learned a lot from her that day. *smiles fondly*

Seems I've learned a lot from , though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/18914

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~

~@midian42~

> > > >

> > > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a

lot

> > > of things with her with diet.

> > > >

> > > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested

> > > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was

on

> > > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

> > > >

> > > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with

> > > her.

> > > >

> > > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but

> > > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics

> > > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to

no

> > > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was

just

> > > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after

> > > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully

digested

> > > even with enzymes.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Why would you treat yeast when the problem is bacterial? I have to disagree.

There are many kids that have done well on long term antibiotics for a variety

of reasons, including mine. Erythromycin can actually be good for the gut as it

mimics motilin in both the gut and the brain, which some kids are likely to be

low in. I can't say anything about any other antibiotic but I know that many

PANDAS kids need it. I'll have to leave that explanation to the PANDAS people,

though.

When we switched to our DAN from Dr. G, she knew all of this so I don't think

it's that novel in DAN. I can't say that for sure, though, as I've only seen 1

DAN.

Here's a conversation I had with Owens in 2007 on Erythromycin and

motilin, including studies. I learned a lot from her that day. *smiles fondly*

Seems I've learned a lot from , though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/18914

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~

~@midian42~

> > > >

> > > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a

lot

> > > of things with her with diet.

> > > >

> > > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested

> > > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was

on

> > > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).

> > > >

> > > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with

> > > her.

> > > >

> > > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but

> > > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics

> > > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to

no

> > > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was

just

> > > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after

> > > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully

digested

> > > even with enzymes.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test

results to see if the c.diff is gone.

Cheers, mardi

[Guest guest]

Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria?

My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test

results to see if the c.diff is gone.

Cheers, mardi