Re: RE: the Sense products

-----Original Message-----

From: kins, learning to love

my 40's [mailto:farsgraphics@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:59

PM

To:

Subject:

RE: the Sense products

These products all sound great - I'm

definitely interested in learning more. And I'm a meatatarian (lol)

although I'm learning to like veggies more. I'd love for you to

share some of your recipes, if you don't mind?

kins

-------Original Message-------

From: Zoom

Date: 04/11/05

14:45:46

Subject: RE:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Yeah,

the Sense products just got an overhaul so they’re even better

I’ve heard.

I’ll

be able to do more when I have more to spend.

Are

you talking about optomega with turmeric, etc.? I take that as well. I like

olive oil

so the

taste isn’t that terrible to me. I’m a vegetarian, so I eat a lot

of… well, vegetables,

*grin* organics when I can swing it.

Ah..

but enough about me! LOL

-----Original

Message-----

From: Dorey

[mailto:ddorey@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005

3:52 AM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

I'm very glad you found a quality

nutritional.......but I do highly recommend you add the Proflavinol C (to

fight inflamation) and the essential fatty acids, try the capsule, the

oil itself is gross tasting. And enzymes to help your digestive system

wouldn't hurt, unless you are getting lots of organic fruit and veggies and

eating them without cooking or adding any preservatives (commercial salad

dressing), both these things kill the enzymes. I don't believe the

essentials have enzymes added, unless they have changed in the last 3 or 4

years.

I love their skin care line

(Sensei) and use it. I even have my oldest son using the Sensei

skin care and it's been very successful in stopping his acne which was

important to my husband and I since my husband has terrible scarring from

teenage acne. I have beautiful skin, made better perhaps by this

product.

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday,

April 10, 2005 7:37 PM

Subject: RE:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi ,

Isn’t Usana great? I’ve seen it do some great things

for my sis and myself. Really love usana.

I take the vitamin pack (the essentials) and macro-optimizers

(fibergy, soyamax, nutimeal)… I had

some bars once and loved them.

I’m a vegetarian and kind of a health nut (my alter ego is

a fruitarian), so I’m used to supplements

and drinks, but usana is by far the best I’ve had.

Currently, I can’t afford to use more, but plan to in the

near future.

I started Usana after my sister (who had been trying everything

to get pregnant for 7 years) did the

cleanse and got pregnant that month.

I’ve heard just about everything there is to say about

nutrition products, since my father was a

body builder and my mother a nutritionist, so I didn’t put

much weight to it, until I heard my sis’

experience. Then I knew it was worth a try.

I could barely walk. My day was divided up in three hour

increments, etc. etc.

The day I started the vitamins things started getting better

immediately, like a burst of fresh air.

Yep. Usana definitely works for me… saved my life, brought

ra progression to a virtual standstill.

I have significant joint damage and moderate flares…

It’s worked as well as I’ve heard any of the

other meds have worked for others. If I run out of the essentials

I slip backwards, but getting back

on them puts me back in a good place. I think I only fall short

in pain management.

But it hasn’t been a cure and it won’t be. My immune

system has always been in overdrive and a

patch of uncommonly stressful existence prompted it to protect me

into oblivion. It’s been smoldering

in the underbrush probably since junior high when I first began

experiencing stiffness and pain in my

hands… it came out a little bit more in college, when my

feet became cardboard in the night…

I’ve always been extremely active (walking, running, weight

training several times a week on a regular

basis) but until I get old enough to get a doctor to go along

with joint replacements, it’ll be some

time before I can get the sweat I adore with no pain. I get my

sweat anyway, but it would be nice

to get rid of the pain.

I’ve got it in just about every joint but I can function

extremely well, and I’m aware of the blessing

of time. I’ve got a whole lot of life ahead of me and want

any progression to go as slowly as possible.

I use one or two forearm crutches for standing or walking…

I can’t wait to meet the pill that can convince the thing

that is RA to cool its jets.

Love/peace

Yellow

-----Original

Message-----

From: Dorey

[mailto:ddorey@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005

8:41 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi, you referred

to using USANA nutritionals, may I ask exactly what you take each day.......I

assume the Essentials, but do you also add proflavinol C, and the eccential

fatty acids? I believe the USANA nutritionals are an excellent product.

When I took the

USANA and had some success, I was taking the Essentials, proflavinol C,

essential fatty acids, extra calcium, glucosomine and CoQ10. This

combination worked pretty well for me but was still missing the live plant

enzymes that I needed. I found that in the summer months when I was

eating from the garden I felt pretty good but then once the garden was done

something seemed missing, I've since realized it was the live plant enzymes.

The proflavinol C

is excellent for helping fight inflamation, on bad days I found taking higher

doses of just this one product helped alot.

What has been

your experience?

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday,

April 10, 2005 4:25 PM

Subject: RE:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

I so agree with Jenni. She

said (something like) people will tell you what worked for them

and have a tendency to see it

as the ultimate solution.

Everything seems so clear,

then. Sometimes what they have done is their cure, sometimes

it coincided with a

remission… it’s like feeling the first rush after being forgiven

and ‘knowing’

in your soul you’ll

never make another mistake…

I’m all for nutrition,

like I’ve said a bigillion times I use usana nutritionals to stay as

healthy

as possible and it has lifted

me from a terrible place, but I don’t believe nutrition is the cure

–

at least not in the way we

would need. All symptoms have to stop, no fatigue… etc. (you guys

remember that email about

remission? It has to go further than that.)

Proper nutrition supports the

immune system, but it doesn’t determine it’s function.

The body is waaaay

complicated. The immune system is a conundrum, there are hundreds of

other immune diseases that

plague folk. I would go on the road to tell parents and children

about it, if we had a cure for

any of them.

It’s about acceptance,

imo. ‘Cause you can’t see RA, and you hate it and you can’t

get your hands

around it cause it fluctuates;

cause it snuck up on you and knocked you down and there aren’t

after school specials

dramatizing it, or big stars revealing that they live with it; cause it feels

like

being old and you’re so

dang young; ‘cause your wife says you’re just lazy and people

scowl at you

when you park in a blue

space… the agony of doubt/the question of legitimacy is haunting.

We all tend to want it to

evaporate…

I don’t know. I’d

get rid of it in a second. But I’m getting tags and I’m getting a

dog and I’m

getting my exercise and eating

right… I’m gonna live with this, so I can LIVE.

I’ll let the researchers

find the cure. I’m doing my best along the way.

Ugh. I need a vacation I

think. lol

-----Original

Message-----

From: Nina

[mailto:ncampbell@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005

6:35 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

----- Original Message

-----

From: Zoom

of Chronic

Disease

> I agree too. The human

system is riddled with issues that are inherited or developed

and a ‘change’ is

not going to propel everyone into the mythical land of physical perfection.

Some things are not repairable

and some things are not preventable.

If wanting to be well again or

reading a book would fix it, I'd be the first one in line!

Nina

April 12, 2005

LOLOL!

You are too cute! Alright, I'm ready for em, and that sweet tater dish sounds wonderful!

Umm - what's frybread? I promise, I've never heard of it (grins)

kins

And thanks for the link!!

-------Original Message-------

From: Zoom

Date: 04/11/05 17:51:13

Subject: RE: RE: the Sense products

Recipes? LOL

Oh, dear! (Yellows eyes hit carpet as she tries to conjure memories of the last time she

used a recipe.)

I don’t much cook. I just take the food and eat it, although I will ask my fabulous cook of

a sister to send me some to share. I like beets and raw carrots and a well-mixed trail mix

and water and beans (yum, but these I definitely cannot cook!) and greens and… um…

and…(currently shunning corn and potatoes) and alllll fruit, which is really my love.

No preparation needed there.

Oh, boy. Recipes! LOL

I’ll find you some good ones…

OH!

There is a delightful sweet potatoe hash that is to fly for! I absolutely adore it. And outside

of making evil frybread (so that I could produce frybread thighs! lol), I think it’s the last time I

used a recipe!

Ehem. Seriously, I’ll send you some off-list, kins.

peace and yum to you all

here’s a link for info on the usana stuff

-----Original Message-----From: kins, learning to love my 40's [mailto:farsgraphics@...] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:59 PMRheumatoid Arthritis Subject: RE: the Sense products

These products all sound great - I'm definitely interested in learning more. And I'm a meatatarian (lol) although I'm learning to like veggies more. I'd love for you to share some of your recipes, if you don't mind?

kins

-------Original Message-------

From: Zoom

Date: 04/11/05 14:45:46

Subject: RE: Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Yeah, the Sense products just got an overhaul so they’re even better I’ve heard.

I’ll be able to do more when I have more to spend.

Are you talking about optomega with turmeric, etc.? I take that as well. I like olive oil

so the taste isn’t that terrible to me. I’m a vegetarian, so I eat a lot of… well, vegetables,

*grin* organics when I can swing it.

Ah.. but enough about me! LOL

-----Original Message-----From: Dorey [mailto:ddorey@...] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 3:52 AMRheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

I'm very glad you found a quality nutritional.......but I do highly recommend you add the Proflavinol C (to fight inflamation) and the essential fatty acids, try the capsule, the oil itself is gross tasting. And enzymes to help your digestive system wouldn't hurt, unless you are getting lots of organic fruit and veggies and eating them without cooking or adding any preservatives (commercial salad dressing), both these things kill the enzymes. I don't believe the essentials have enzymes added, unless they have changed in the last 3 or 4 years.

I love their skin care line (Sensei) and use it. I even have my oldest son using the Sensei skin care and it's been very successful in stopping his acne which was important to my husband and I since my husband has terrible scarring from teenage acne. I have beautiful skin, made better perhaps by this product.

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:37 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi ,

Isn’t Usana great? I’ve seen it do some great things for my sis and myself. Really love usana.

I take the vitamin pack (the essentials) and macro-optimizers (fibergy, soyamax, nutimeal)… I had

some bars once and loved them.

I’m a vegetarian and kind of a health nut (my alter ego is a fruitarian), so I’m used to supplements

and drinks, but usana is by far the best I’ve had.

Currently, I can’t afford to use more, but plan to in the near future.

I started Usana after my sister (who had been trying everything to get pregnant for 7 years) did the

cleanse and got pregnant that month.

I’ve heard just about everything there is to say about nutrition products, since my father was a

body builder and my mother a nutritionist, so I didn’t put much weight to it, until I heard my sis’

experience. Then I knew it was worth a try.

I could barely walk. My day was divided up in three hour increments, etc. etc.

The day I started the vitamins things started getting better immediately, like a burst of fresh air.

Yep. Usana definitely works for me… saved my life, brought ra progression to a virtual standstill.

I have significant joint damage and moderate flares… It’s worked as well as I’ve heard any of the

other meds have worked for others. If I run out of the essentials I slip backwards, but getting back

on them puts me back in a good place. I think I only fall short in pain management.

But it hasn’t been a cure and it won’t be. My immune system has always been in overdrive and a

patch of uncommonly stressful existence prompted it to protect me into oblivion. It’s been smoldering

in the underbrush probably since junior high when I first began experiencing stiffness and pain in my

hands… it came out a little bit more in college, when my feet became cardboard in the night…

I’ve always been extremely active (walking, running, weight training several times a week on a regular

basis) but until I get old enough to get a doctor to go along with joint replacements, it’ll be some

time before I can get the sweat I adore with no pain. I get my sweat anyway, but it would be nice

to get rid of the pain.

I’ve got it in just about every joint but I can function extremely well, and I’m aware of the blessing

of time. I’ve got a whole lot of life ahead of me and want any progression to go as slowly as possible.

I use one or two forearm crutches for standing or walking…

I can’t wait to meet the pill that can convince the thing that is RA to cool its jets.

Love/peace

Yellow

-----Original Message-----From: Dorey [mailto:ddorey@...] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:41 PMRheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi, you referred to using USANA nutritionals, may I ask exactly what you take each day.......I assume the Essentials, but do you also add proflavinol C, and the eccential fatty acids? I believe the USANA nutritionals are an excellent product.

When I took the USANA and had some success, I was taking the Essentials, proflavinol C, essential fatty acids, extra calcium, glucosomine and CoQ10. This combination worked pretty well for me but was still missing the live plant enzymes that I needed. I found that in the summer months when I was eating from the garden I felt pretty good but then once the garden was done something seemed missing, I've since realized it was the live plant enzymes.

The proflavinol C is excellent for helping fight inflamation, on bad days I found taking higher doses of just this one product helped alot.

What has been your experience?

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:25 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

I so agree with Jenni. She said (something like) people will tell you what worked for them

and have a tendency to see it as the ultimate solution.

Everything seems so clear, then. Sometimes what they have done is their cure, sometimes

it coincided with a remission… it’s like feeling the first rush after being forgiven and ‘knowing’

in your soul you’ll never make another mistake…

I’m all for nutrition, like I’ve said a bigillion times I use usana nutritionals to stay as healthy

as possible and it has lifted me from a terrible place, but I don’t believe nutrition is the cure –

at least not in the way we would need. All symptoms have to stop, no fatigue… etc. (you guys

remember that email about remission? It has to go further than that.)

Proper nutrition supports the immune system, but it doesn’t determine it’s function.

The body is waaaay complicated. The immune system is a conundrum, there are hundreds of

other immune diseases that plague folk. I would go on the road to tell parents and children

about it, if we had a cure for any of them.

It’s about acceptance, imo. ‘Cause you can’t see RA, and you hate it and you can’t get your hands

around it cause it fluctuates; cause it snuck up on you and knocked you down and there aren’t

after school specials dramatizing it, or big stars revealing that they live with it; cause it feels like

being old and you’re so dang young; ‘cause your wife says you’re just lazy and people scowl at you

when you park in a blue space… the agony of doubt/the question of legitimacy is haunting.

We all tend to want it to evaporate…

I don’t know. I’d get rid of it in a second. But I’m getting tags and I’m getting a dog and I’m

getting my exercise and eating right… I’m gonna live with this, so I can LIVE.

I’ll let the researchers find the cure. I’m doing my best along the way.

Ugh. I need a vacation I think. lol

-----Original Message-----From: Nina [mailto:ncampbell@...] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:35 PMRheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

of Chronic Disease

> I agree too. The human system is riddled with issues that are inherited or developed

and a ‘change’ is not going to propel everyone into the mythical land of physical perfection.

Some things are not repairable and some things are not preventable.

If wanting to be well again or reading a book would fix it, I'd be the first one in line!

Nina

April 12, 2005

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

> And outside

of making evil frybread (so that I could produce frybread thighs! lol), I think it’s the last time I

used a recipe!

Ah, frybread! My favorite part of going to pow wows.

Nina

April 12, 2005

Oh,

dang! I did a Quayle. Potato Hash.

-----Original Message-----

From: Zoom

[mailto:zoom@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:50

PM

Subject: RE:

RE: the Sense products

Recipes? LOL

Oh, dear! (Yellows eyes hit carpet as she tries to conjure memories

of the last time she

used a recipe.)

I don’t much cook. I just take the food and eat it, although

I will ask my fabulous cook of

a sister to send me some to share. I like beets and raw carrots and

a well-mixed trail mix

and water and beans (yum, but these I definitely cannot cook!) and

greens and… um…

and…(currently shunning corn and potatoes) and alllll fruit,

which is really my love.

No preparation needed there.

Oh, boy. Recipes! LOL

I’ll find you some good ones…

OH!

There is a delightful sweet potatoe hash that is to fly for! I

absolutely adore it. And outside

of making evil frybread (so that I could produce frybread thighs!

lol), I think it’s the last time I

used a recipe!

Ehem. Seriously, I’ll send you some off-list, kins.

peace and yum to you all

here’s a link for info on the usana stuff

-----Original Message-----

From: kins, learning to love

my 40's [mailto:farsgraphics@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:59

PM

To:

Subject:

RE: the Sense products

These products all sound great - I'm

definitely interested in learning more. And I'm a meatatarian (lol)

although I'm learning to like veggies more. I'd love for you to

share some of your recipes, if you don't mind?

kins

-------Original Message-------

From: Zoom

Date: 04/11/05

14:45:46

Subject: RE:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Yeah,

the Sense products just got an overhaul so they’re even better

I’ve heard.

I’ll

be able to do more when I have more to spend.

Are

you talking about optomega with turmeric, etc.? I take that as well. I like

olive oil

so the

taste isn’t that terrible to me. I’m a vegetarian, so I eat a lot

of… well, vegetables,

*grin* organics when I can swing it.

Ah..

but enough about me! LOL

-----Original

Message-----

From: Dorey

[mailto:ddorey@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005

3:52 AM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

I'm very glad you found a quality

nutritional.......but I do highly recommend you add the Proflavinol C (to

fight inflamation) and the essential fatty acids, try the capsule, the

oil itself is gross tasting. And enzymes to help your digestive system

wouldn't hurt, unless you are getting lots of organic fruit and veggies and

eating them without cooking or adding any preservatives (commercial salad

dressing), both these things kill the enzymes. I don't believe the

essentials have enzymes added, unless they have changed in the last 3 or 4

years.

I love their skin care line

(Sensei) and use it. I even have my oldest son using the Sensei

skin care and it's been very successful in stopping his acne which was

important to my husband and I since my husband has terrible scarring from

teenage acne. I have beautiful skin, made better perhaps by this

product.

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday,

April 10, 2005 7:37 PM

Subject: RE:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi ,

Isn’t Usana great? I’ve seen it do some great things

for my sis and myself. Really love usana.

I take the vitamin pack (the essentials) and macro-optimizers

(fibergy, soyamax, nutimeal)… I had

some bars once and loved them.

I’m a vegetarian and kind of a health nut (my alter ego is

a fruitarian), so I’m used to supplements

and drinks, but usana is by far the best I’ve had.

Currently, I can’t afford to use more, but plan to in the

near future.

I started Usana after my sister (who had been trying everything to

get pregnant for 7 years) did the

cleanse and got pregnant that month.

I’ve heard just about everything there is to say about

nutrition products, since my father was a

body builder and my mother a nutritionist, so I didn’t put

much weight to it, until I heard my sis’

experience. Then I knew it was worth a try.

I could barely walk. My day was divided up in three hour

increments, etc. etc.

The day I started the vitamins things started getting better

immediately, like a burst of fresh air.

Yep. Usana definitely works for me… saved my life, brought

ra progression to a virtual standstill.

I have significant joint damage and moderate flares…

It’s worked as well as I’ve heard any of the

other meds have worked for others. If I run out of the essentials

I slip backwards, but getting back

on them puts me back in a good place. I think I only fall short

in pain management.

But it hasn’t been a cure and it won’t be. My immune

system has always been in overdrive and a

patch of uncommonly stressful existence prompted it to protect me

into oblivion. It’s been smoldering

in the underbrush probably since junior high when I first began

experiencing stiffness and pain in my

hands… it came out a little bit more in college, when my

feet became cardboard in the night…

I’ve always been extremely active (walking, running, weight

training several times a week on a regular

basis) but until I get old enough to get a doctor to go along

with joint replacements, it’ll be some

time before I can get the sweat I adore with no pain. I get my

sweat anyway, but it would be nice

to get rid of the pain.

I’ve got it in just about every joint but I can function

extremely well, and I’m aware of the blessing

of time. I’ve got a whole lot of life ahead of me and want

any progression to go as slowly as possible.

I use one or two forearm crutches for standing or walking…

I can’t wait to meet the pill that can convince the thing

that is RA to cool its jets.

Love/peace

Yellow

-----Original

Message-----

From: Dorey [mailto:ddorey@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005

8:41 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi, you referred

to using USANA nutritionals, may I ask exactly what you take each day.......I

assume the Essentials, but do you also add proflavinol C, and the eccential

fatty acids? I believe the USANA nutritionals are an excellent product.

When I took the

USANA and had some success, I was taking the Essentials, proflavinol C, essential

fatty acids, extra calcium, glucosomine and CoQ10. This combination

worked pretty well for me but was still missing the live plant enzymes that I

needed. I found that in the summer months when I was eating from the

garden I felt pretty good but then once the garden was done something seemed

missing, I've since realized it was the live plant enzymes.

The proflavinol C

is excellent for helping fight inflamation, on bad days I found taking higher

doses of just this one product helped alot.

What has been

your experience?

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday,

April 10, 2005 4:25 PM

Subject: RE:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

I so agree with Jenni. She

said (something like) people will tell you what worked for them

and have a tendency to see it

as the ultimate solution.

Everything seems so clear,

then. Sometimes what they have done is their cure, sometimes

it coincided with a remission…

it’s like feeling the first rush after being forgiven and

‘knowing’

in your soul you’ll

never make another mistake…

I’m all for nutrition,

like I’ve said a bigillion times I use usana nutritionals to stay as

healthy

as possible and it has lifted me

from a terrible place, but I don’t believe nutrition is the cure

–

at least not in the way we

would need. All symptoms have to stop, no fatigue… etc. (you guys

remember that email about

remission? It has to go further than that.)

Proper nutrition supports the

immune system, but it doesn’t determine it’s function.

The body is waaaay

complicated. The immune system is a conundrum, there are hundreds of

other immune diseases that

plague folk. I would go on the road to tell parents and children

about it, if we had a cure for

any of them.

It’s about acceptance,

imo. ‘Cause you can’t see RA, and you hate it and you can’t

get your hands

around it cause it fluctuates;

cause it snuck up on you and knocked you down and there aren’t

after school specials

dramatizing it, or big stars revealing that they live with it; cause it feels

like

being old and you’re so

dang young; ‘cause your wife says you’re just lazy and people

scowl at you

when you park in a blue

space… the agony of doubt/the question of legitimacy is haunting.

We all tend to want it to

evaporate…

I don’t know. I’d

get rid of it in a second. But I’m getting tags and I’m getting a

dog and I’m

getting my exercise and eating

right… I’m gonna live with this, so I can LIVE.

I’ll let the researchers

find the cure. I’m doing my best along the way.

Ugh. I need a vacation I

think. lol

-----Original

Message-----

From: Nina

[mailto:ncampbell@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005

6:35 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

----- Original Message

-----

From: Zoom

of Chronic

Disease

> I agree too. The human system

is riddled with issues that are inherited or developed

and a ‘change’ is

not going to propel everyone into the mythical land of physical perfection.

Some things are not repairable

and some things are not preventable.

If wanting to be well again or

reading a book would fix it, I'd be the first one in line!

Nina

April 12, 2005

Oh my

goodness, frybread is a once of year kind of delicious bread…

It can

be sweet or no and is eaten with fruit toppings, powdered sugar,

or even

taco fixen’s! It’s really simple to make, but it definitely shouldn’t

be

on the

table frequently. I’ll send a recipe for that, too.

Love and

peace to you

Yellow

-----Original Message-----

From: kins, learning to love

my 40's [mailto:farsgraphics@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:04

PM

To:

Subject: RE:

RE: the Sense products

LOLOL!

You are too cute! Alright, I'm ready for em, and

that sweet tater dish sounds wonderful!

Umm - what's frybread? I promise, I've never

heard of it (grins)

kins

And thanks for the link!!

-------Original Message-------

From: Zoom

Date: 04/11/05 17:51:13

Subject: RE: RE: the

Sense products

Recipes?

LOL

Oh,

dear! (Yellows eyes hit carpet as she tries to conjure memories of the last

time she

used a

recipe.)

I

don’t much cook. I just take the food and eat it, although I will ask

my fabulous cook of

a

sister to send me some to share. I like beets and raw carrots and a

well-mixed trail mix

and

water and beans (yum, but these I definitely cannot cook!) and greens

and… um…

and…(currently

shunning corn and potatoes) and alllll fruit, which is really my love.

No

preparation needed there.

Oh,

boy. Recipes! LOL

I’ll

find you some good ones…

OH!

There

is a delightful sweet potatoe hash that is to fly for! I absolutely adore it.

And outside

of

making evil frybread (so that I could produce frybread thighs! lol), I think

it’s the last time I

used a

recipe!

Ehem.

Seriously, I’ll send you some off-list, kins.

peace

and yum to you all

here’s

a link for info on the usana stuff

-----Original Message-----

From: kins, learning to love

my 40's [mailto:farsgraphics@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005

5:59 PM

Subject:

RE: the Sense products

These products all sound great - I'm

definitely interested in learning more. And I'm a meatatarian (lol)

although I'm learning to like veggies more. I'd love for you to

share some of your recipes, if you don't mind?

kins

-------Original Message-------

From: Zoom

Date:

04/11/05 14:45:46

Subject: RE:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Yeah,

the Sense products just got an overhaul so they’re even better

I’ve heard.

I’ll

be able to do more when I have more to spend.

Are

you talking about optomega with turmeric, etc.? I take that as well. I like

olive oil

so

the taste isn’t that terrible to me. I’m a vegetarian, so I eat

a lot of… well, vegetables,

*grin* organics when I can swing it.

Ah..

but enough about me! LOL

-----Original

Message-----

From: Dorey

[mailto:ddorey@...]

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005

3:52 AM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

I'm very glad

you found a quality nutritional.......but I do highly recommend you add the

Proflavinol C (to fight inflamation) and the essential fatty acids,

try the capsule, the oil itself is gross tasting. And enzymes to help

your digestive system wouldn't hurt, unless you are getting lots of organic

fruit and veggies and eating them without cooking or adding any

preservatives (commercial salad dressing), both these things kill the

enzymes. I don't believe the essentials have enzymes added, unless

they have changed in the last 3 or 4 years.

I love their

skin care line (Sensei) and use it. I even have my oldest son

using the Sensei skin care and it's been very successful in stopping his

acne which was important to my husband and I since my husband has terrible

scarring from teenage acne. I have beautiful skin, made better

perhaps by this product.

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:37 PM

Subject: RE: Re:

Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi ,

Isn’t Usana great?

I’ve seen it do some great things for my sis and myself. Really love

usana.

I take the vitamin pack (the

essentials) and macro-optimizers (fibergy, soyamax, nutimeal)… I had

some bars once and loved

them.

I’m a vegetarian and

kind of a health nut (my alter ego is a fruitarian), so I’m used to

supplements

and drinks, but usana is by

far the best I’ve had.

Currently, I can’t

afford to use more, but plan to in the near future.

I started Usana after my

sister (who had been trying everything to get pregnant for 7 years) did the

cleanse and got pregnant

that month.

I’ve heard just about

everything there is to say about nutrition products, since my father was a

body builder and my mother a

nutritionist, so I didn’t put much weight to it, until I heard my

sis’

experience. Then I knew it

was worth a try.

I could barely walk. My day

was divided up in three hour increments, etc. etc.

The day I started the

vitamins things started getting better immediately, like a burst of fresh

air.

Yep. Usana definitely works

for me… saved my life, brought ra progression to a virtual

standstill.

I have significant joint

damage and moderate flares… It’s worked as well as I’ve

heard any of the

other meds have worked for

others. If I run out of the essentials I slip backwards, but getting back

on them puts me back in a

good place. I think I only fall short in pain management.

But it hasn’t been a

cure and it won’t be. My immune system has always been in overdrive

and a

patch of uncommonly

stressful existence prompted it to protect me into oblivion. It’s

been smoldering

in the underbrush probably

since junior high when I first began experiencing stiffness and pain in my

hands… it came out a

little bit more in college, when my feet became cardboard in the

night…

I’ve always been

extremely active (walking, running, weight training several times a week on

a regular

basis) but until I get old

enough to get a doctor to go along with joint replacements, it’ll be

some

time before I can get the

sweat I adore with no pain. I get my sweat anyway, but it would be nice

to get rid of the pain.

I’ve got it in just

about every joint but I can function extremely well, and I’m aware of

the blessing

of time. I’ve got a

whole lot of life ahead of me and want any progression to go as slowly as

possible.

I use one or two forearm

crutches for standing or walking…

I can’t wait to meet

the pill that can convince the thing that is RA to cool its jets.

Love/peace

Yellow

-----Original

Message-----

From: Dorey

[mailto:ddorey@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005

8:41 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

Re: Anemia of Chronic Disease

Hi, you

referred to using USANA nutritionals, may I ask exactly what you take each

day.......I assume the Essentials, but do you also add proflavinol C, and

the eccential fatty acids? I believe the USANA nutritionals are an

excellent product.

When I took the

USANA and had some success, I was taking the Essentials, proflavinol C,

essential fatty acids, extra calcium, glucosomine and CoQ10. This

combination worked pretty well for me but was still missing the live plant

enzymes that I needed. I found that in the summer months when I was

eating from the garden I felt pretty good but then once the garden was done

something seemed missing, I've since realized it was the live plant

enzymes.

The proflavinol

C is excellent for helping fight inflamation, on bad days I found taking

higher doses of just this one product helped alot.

What has been

your experience?

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Zoom

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:25 PM

Subject: RE: Re:

Anemia of Chronic Disease

I so agree with Jenni. She

said (something like) people will tell you what worked for them

and have a tendency to see

it as the ultimate solution.

Everything seems so clear,

then. Sometimes what they have done is their cure, sometimes

it coincided with a

remission… it’s like feeling the first rush after being

forgiven and ‘knowing’

in your soul you’ll

never make another mistake…

I’m all for nutrition,

like I’ve said a bigillion times I use usana nutritionals to stay as

healthy

as possible and it has

lifted me from a terrible place, but I don’t believe nutrition is the

cure –

at least not in the way we

would need. All symptoms have to stop, no fatigue… etc. (you guys

remember that email about

remission? It has to go further than that.)

Proper nutrition supports

the immune system, but it doesn’t determine it’s function.

The body is waaaay

complicated. The immune system is a conundrum, there are hundreds of

other immune diseases that

plague folk. I would go on the road to tell parents and children

about it, if we had a cure

for any of them.

It’s about acceptance,

imo. ‘Cause you can’t see RA, and you hate it and you

can’t get your hands

around it cause it

fluctuates; cause it snuck up on you and knocked you down and there

aren’t

after school specials

dramatizing it, or big stars revealing that they live with it; cause it

feels like

being old and you’re

so dang young; ‘cause your wife says you’re just lazy and

people scowl at you

when you park in a blue

space… the agony of doubt/the question of legitimacy is haunting.

We all tend to want it to

evaporate…

I don’t know.

I’d get rid of it in a second. But I’m getting tags and

I’m getting a dog and I’m

getting my exercise and

eating right… I’m gonna live with this, so I can LIVE.

I’ll let the

researchers find the cure. I’m doing my best along the way.

Ugh. I need a vacation I

think. lol

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From: Nina [mailto:ncampbell@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005

6:35 PM

To: