Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Tai, are you still hungry after drinking the water? If not maybe it wasn't true hunger? I'm not sure either. I know I have been using diet coke or cocoa to " mask " my hunger signals and I don't think that is a good idea for me. I need to learn how to identify those signals. I have heard that by the time you " feel " thirsty you are already dehydrated. Sandy Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:54 AMSubject: Re: Feeling hunger I also read that because many food contain some % of water, what is probably thirst gets received as 'hunger'. I found that this could be something that had plagued me for a long time. Finding a way to help me increase my water drinking - without it feeling forced - was one of the challenges I faced on my IE journey. Thinking of drinking water as a way to 'fill' up (basically FOOL one's self) still drives me batty! But if I don't have water immediately available (bottles around house at work/play spots), I still don't register thirst all that well, sometimes reacting to what I think is 'hunger' signals. Hmmm, mindfullness for moisture as well as food?!? Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > This morning I woke up and felt slight hunger, but after I had > > a big glass of water I realized I wasn't really hungry, but I > > was thirsty. Go figure! > > That's perfectly normal. The body easily confuses thirst with hunger. > > Keeping yourself hydrated throughout the day is important. > > Paddy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Why worry about which it is? Just drink water first, and if goes away, it was thirst, if no, you're hungry and need to eat. Jane > > > > > This morning I woke up and felt slight hunger, but after I had > > > a big glass of water I realized I wasn't really hungry, but I > > > was thirsty. Go figure! > > > > That's perfectly normal. The body easily confuses thirst with hunger. > > > > Keeping yourself hydrated throughout the day is important. > > > > Paddy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Why worry about which it is? Just drink water first, and if goes away, it was thirst, if no, you're hungry and need to eat. Jane > > > > > This morning I woke up and felt slight hunger, but after I had > > > a big glass of water I realized I wasn't really hungry, but I > > > was thirsty. Go figure! > > > > That's perfectly normal. The body easily confuses thirst with hunger. > > > > Keeping yourself hydrated throughout the day is important. > > > > Paddy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I find keeping a beverage near me to be very helpful -- otherwise it is all to easy to ignore/not notice thirst... or mistake it for hunger. Also, I find I am much more likely to drink if I have something " interesting " to drink, and in summer, if it's icy cold. I have been making lots of fruity herbal teas, a big pot at a time. I add a small spoonful of honey to the teapot, let the tea cool, then refrigerate and serve over ice. I am drinking a lot more since I started doing this! Best, Abby > Why worry about which it is? Just drink water first, and if goes away, it was thirst, if no, you're hungry and need to eat. Jane > > >> >>> > > This morning I woke up and felt slight hunger, but after I had>> > > a big glass of water I realized I wasn't really hungry, but I>> > > was thirsty. Go figure! >> > >> > That's perfectly normal. The body easily confuses thirst with hunger.>> > >> > Keeping yourself hydrated throughout the day is important.>> > >> > Paddy>> >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:47 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:47 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tai, I am always drinking water and last week when I had the liver biopsy, I was NPO past midnight, no food , no water. My procedure was scheduled for 9am. I got so dry that I went hoarse and I finally asked the nurse if she could bring me ice chips. She wasn't allowed to do that but she did bring me a wet washcloth that was pretty wet. And I sucked every drop out of it. Shortly after that I had to go to the bathroom and while I was in there I took some sips from my hand. I am too used to drinking water frequently to go that long without it. Anyway as soon as the procedure was over they brought me water and a diet coke. I drank a lot of water. Sandy Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:47 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tai, I am always drinking water and last week when I had the liver biopsy, I was NPO past midnight, no food , no water. My procedure was scheduled for 9am. I got so dry that I went hoarse and I finally asked the nurse if she could bring me ice chips. She wasn't allowed to do that but she did bring me a wet washcloth that was pretty wet. And I sucked every drop out of it. Shortly after that I had to go to the bathroom and while I was in there I took some sips from my hand. I am too used to drinking water frequently to go that long without it. Anyway as soon as the procedure was over they brought me water and a diet coke. I drank a lot of water. Sandy Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:47 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is " burning " . That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is " burning " . That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is " burning " . That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, I have read things about water and electrolytes. Too much water is dangerous, that's true. But how much is too much? I keep a few bottles of water near me but I'm not constantly drinking. The reason I started drinking more water is when I developed bladder infections and realized I must drink more water because I wouldn't drink that much. If I had known this as a kid, maybe I wouldn't have had so many bladder infections and bouts with stones. No, I do not think that a normal amount whatever that is, will wash out electrolytes from the body. When we were traveling I noticed that some areas have tastier water than others. I didn't want the water that didn't taste good. I use filters now and I like them, but our normal water supply isn't bad. Cool water I find to be more refreshing than lukewarm water. I also like seltzer water sometimes. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is "burning". That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, I have read things about water and electrolytes. Too much water is dangerous, that's true. But how much is too much? I keep a few bottles of water near me but I'm not constantly drinking. The reason I started drinking more water is when I developed bladder infections and realized I must drink more water because I wouldn't drink that much. If I had known this as a kid, maybe I wouldn't have had so many bladder infections and bouts with stones. No, I do not think that a normal amount whatever that is, will wash out electrolytes from the body. When we were traveling I noticed that some areas have tastier water than others. I didn't want the water that didn't taste good. I use filters now and I like them, but our normal water supply isn't bad. Cool water I find to be more refreshing than lukewarm water. I also like seltzer water sometimes. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is "burning". That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, I have read things about water and electrolytes. Too much water is dangerous, that's true. But how much is too much? I keep a few bottles of water near me but I'm not constantly drinking. The reason I started drinking more water is when I developed bladder infections and realized I must drink more water because I wouldn't drink that much. If I had known this as a kid, maybe I wouldn't have had so many bladder infections and bouts with stones. No, I do not think that a normal amount whatever that is, will wash out electrolytes from the body. When we were traveling I noticed that some areas have tastier water than others. I didn't want the water that didn't taste good. I use filters now and I like them, but our normal water supply isn't bad. Cool water I find to be more refreshing than lukewarm water. I also like seltzer water sometimes. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is "burning". That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, you don't have to feel thirsty. Like food, looking at water makes me want to drink it, and now I do, but I don't overdo it. I'm lazy to get up right now, but I'm feeling thirsty (dry) and so I GUESS I need to get up and get some water because thinking about it, I haven't had any water for a few hours now, so I can't say I'm always drinking water :-) I now like water. You can learn to like it, it's quite delicious if it's good and tasty water. Yup. In fact there is a restaurant in my area (a Chinese place) that serves the most delicious water I ever drank! It was so good, in fact, that I mentioned this to the owner! Who'd ever have thought I would think water was so delicious? I couldn't believe it, and so I commended her on this. She told me they have a special filter in the kitchen for their drinking water. It was wonderful. Next time I go back I need to ask her what kind of filter that is, because it was the most delicious water I have ever tasted! Honest! I never thought water would be delicious, but now I do, depending on water supply (or filter). :-) Regards, TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:29 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Katcha, you don't have to feel thirsty. Like food, looking at water makes me want to drink it, and now I do, but I don't overdo it. I'm lazy to get up right now, but I'm feeling thirsty (dry) and so I GUESS I need to get up and get some water because thinking about it, I haven't had any water for a few hours now, so I can't say I'm always drinking water :-) I now like water. You can learn to like it, it's quite delicious if it's good and tasty water. Yup. In fact there is a restaurant in my area (a Chinese place) that serves the most delicious water I ever drank! It was so good, in fact, that I mentioned this to the owner! Who'd ever have thought I would think water was so delicious? I couldn't believe it, and so I commended her on this. She told me they have a special filter in the kitchen for their drinking water. It was wonderful. Next time I go back I need to ask her what kind of filter that is, because it was the most delicious water I have ever tasted! Honest! I never thought water would be delicious, but now I do, depending on water supply (or filter). :-) Regards, TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:29 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Sandy, I love caffeine free Diet Coke at home. But I do have water, too. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Tai, I am always drinking water and last week when I had the liver biopsy, I was NPO past midnight, no food , no water. My procedure was scheduled for 9am. I got so dry that I went hoarse and I finally asked the nurse if she could bring me ice chips. She wasn't allowed to do that but she did bring me a wet washcloth that was pretty wet. And I sucked every drop out of it. Shortly after that I had to go to the bathroom and while I was in there I took some sips from my hand. I am too used to drinking water frequently to go that long without it. Anyway as soon as the procedure was over they brought me water and a diet coke. I drank a lot of water. Sandy Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:47 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Sandy, I love caffeine free Diet Coke at home. But I do have water, too. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Tai, I am always drinking water and last week when I had the liver biopsy, I was NPO past midnight, no food , no water. My procedure was scheduled for 9am. I got so dry that I went hoarse and I finally asked the nurse if she could bring me ice chips. She wasn't allowed to do that but she did bring me a wet washcloth that was pretty wet. And I sucked every drop out of it. Shortly after that I had to go to the bathroom and while I was in there I took some sips from my hand. I am too used to drinking water frequently to go that long without it. Anyway as soon as the procedure was over they brought me water and a diet coke. I drank a lot of water. Sandy Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:47 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Sandy, I love caffeine free Diet Coke at home. But I do have water, too. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Tai, I am always drinking water and last week when I had the liver biopsy, I was NPO past midnight, no food , no water. My procedure was scheduled for 9am. I got so dry that I went hoarse and I finally asked the nurse if she could bring me ice chips. She wasn't allowed to do that but she did bring me a wet washcloth that was pretty wet. And I sucked every drop out of it. Shortly after that I had to go to the bathroom and while I was in there I took some sips from my hand. I am too used to drinking water frequently to go that long without it. Anyway as soon as the procedure was over they brought me water and a diet coke. I drank a lot of water. Sandy Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:47 PMSubject: Re: Hunger vs. thirst I am becoming more aware of my 'thirst' signals, but for the moment I generally only know to drink when my nasal area and eyes are dry feeling. When I have ignored the signals too long I often feel a near burning sensation as I breathe and in the back of my throat. Hopefully others can add their more subtle signals so that I can see if I am able to notice those and improve my response for water too. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Now that we're on the topic of thirst vs. hunger, could someone who is possibly more familiar with the thirst signals please describe them to me? OK, I know about maybe the mouth being dry, but what about stomach signals for liquid rather than food? Are they different? Right now I THINK I'm hungry because my stomach is signaling SOMETHING (not sure what because the rest of me isn't feeling hungry), but water is near by and so I had some of that. Thoughts, anyone? Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tai, When I drink too much soda, I forget to drink water and then my bladder complains. Sandy Katcha, I have read things about water and electrolytes. Too much water is dangerous, that's true. But how much is too much? I keep a few bottles of water near me but I'm not constantly drinking. The reason I started drinking more water is when I developed bladder infections and realized I must drink more water because I wouldn't drink that much. If I had known this as a kid, maybe I wouldn't have had so many bladder infections and bouts with stones. No, I do not think that a normal amount whatever that is, will wash out electrolytes from the body. When we were traveling I noticed that some areas have tastier water than others. I didn't want the water that didn't taste good. I use filters now and I like them, but our normal water supply isn't bad. Cool water I find to be more refreshing than lukewarm water. I also like seltzer water sometimes. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is " burning " . That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tai, When I drink too much soda, I forget to drink water and then my bladder complains. Sandy Katcha, I have read things about water and electrolytes. Too much water is dangerous, that's true. But how much is too much? I keep a few bottles of water near me but I'm not constantly drinking. The reason I started drinking more water is when I developed bladder infections and realized I must drink more water because I wouldn't drink that much. If I had known this as a kid, maybe I wouldn't have had so many bladder infections and bouts with stones. No, I do not think that a normal amount whatever that is, will wash out electrolytes from the body. When we were traveling I noticed that some areas have tastier water than others. I didn't want the water that didn't taste good. I use filters now and I like them, but our normal water supply isn't bad. Cool water I find to be more refreshing than lukewarm water. I also like seltzer water sometimes. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hunger vs. thirst Katcha, thanks for that info on the salt, although I do eat probably too much salt. I too find my mouth feels dry and was blaming it on maybe the plastic bottles(trying thermos), but also wonder if because I drink/sip it all the time maybe I have interfered with my body's ability to make saliva. When I have diet soda, especially with caffeine like when we go out, my mouth feels like it is " burning " . That's one reason I don't drink it at home. Sandy Tai, my struggles with water run deep. First I'm not all that fond of plain water. Like you, a slice or dash of lemon goes a long way towards making it 'tasty'. Secondly my thirst signals must have been 'disowned' for even longer than my hunger signs as I still never really feel 'thirsty', only dry. About the only way I have been able to keep better hydrated is to have several small water bottles filled and at places around that house that I hang out at (computer!). That has helped me to drink water when I otherwise wouldn't even think about it. Another 'odd' thing that I find when I drink water is that I can get drier! When my mouth is dry but bladder is overflowing what I need is salt. I do not eat hardly any 'processed' food (scratch cook) and tend to be lighter on salt when cooking since one can always add it. When I get drier after drinking water, having the merest bit of salt helps my body go 'ahhh!' like dry ground does to rain. I think its possible that my drinking too much plain water actually flushes excessive electrolytes?!? So water drinking has become an 'art form' for me ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Katcha, when I go to a restaurant I always order water with lemon with my meal. Anyway, it's cheaper than soda or something like that. And the water just looks so good and it's so cool that I love to drink it, usually! Sometimes I don't drink as much as I would like because I know I'm paying for the meal, not the water, and I don't want to fill up. But if you're waiting for your nose & throat to be dry, you're waiting too long. Hint: that's how kidney stones, etc., are formed when we don't drink enough wa-wa. Also, I put a Brita personal bottle in the refrigerator so I can take it to the computer and TV with me when I'm sittin' around. Now that we're talking about it, I think I'm going to get some water next trip. With love, Tai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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