Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 ((((my4fireflies)))) = a big virtual hug for you. I don't have your experience exactly, but I was, like you, expected to be perfect... and I failed. Nothing that I did was ever good enough for my nada; I was/am always a failure in her eyes. I never gave her the fame, the wealth, and the public adulation she craved for herself. I never gave her that, and she let me know how disappointed she was with me both directly and indirectly, disappointed that I failed her expectations, my whole freaking life. It is difficult to forgive ourselves for failing in our parent's expectations of us. But once you accept that *the expectation is not realistic,* it is possible. Nobody on this earth is perfect or capable of perfection, and that is OK as long as we try our best. It was *wrong* of our nadas to make us suffer and make us hate ourselves because we are not perfect nor capable of achieving perfection. It is actually rather cruel to expect that of a fellow human being, to expect that of one's child. Nada herself is not perfect; yet we do not punish her for that, do we? No, we don't. All we ask for is kindness and acceptance in our imperfection, as we give acceptance and kindness to others. We ask for and expect so little. -Annie > > I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for 4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough " voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone, I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish, don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more than 3 hours of sleep. > So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO much. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Oh Yeah, I am EXACTLY, EXACTLY like you! EXACTLY! I have three kids that are one after the other in age one or two years apart. I worked full time while having them, and nursed each one for 18 months, 13 months, 10 months. At the same time as I was working and perpetually pregnant or lactating, I was also doing a Masters Degree which required hours of travel to and from my classes, as well as a thesis/internship. My job was as a teacher, so needless to say, I was the type of teacher who always took on every volunteer activity in the school and brought home tons of correcting and preparing. I had my kids in swimming, skating, art, dancing, etc. My husband was also working full time and doing his Masters degree. We decided being with a parent was better for our kids than daycare, so we alternated all of our shifts so that we had no time together as a couple, but instead a parent was always available. We had no family supports. My family has only nada, fada and a brother who, I don't even know his diagnosis, but not good, my nada alienated all my extended family years ago, so I know none of them. My hubby's parents are both deceased and we moved from our hometown for work/career, but also to get away from nada. Oh, and while I was doing my Masters, working, having three kids, I decided I would also do all the pre-requisites for another degree I will pursue later. (Now have the Masters and am pursuing the other degree). My nickname at work and in my classes is " sucker for punishment " as I would often do three Masters courses per semester while working (the limit is one per semester). My self-punishing, masochisstic super ego. It also wakes me up at night with horrific nightmares that I am not a good person. So, yeah, I GET IT!!!!! You wanna know what slowed me (a bit). I got sick . I developed an autoimmune disease which forced me to give up my job. I still beat myself up about that am trying to heal and get back on the horse and back to work, but my doctor warns me not to go back to the old me, in fact, she says, my body will continue to make me sick as long as I am still determined to go back to the old me. Maybe there is a power higher than the super ego? My next step is to do more mindfulness work, and get in touch with the higher power in me that made me stop by making me sick. I hope this does not happen to you. Sounds like you've had a lightbulb moment, so follow where it takes you! > > I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for 4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough " voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone, I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish, don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more than 3 hours of sleep. > So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO much. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Wow. You've given me a lot of food for thought. I never think I'm good enough. I certainly do not go to the extremes that you have. That said, I think if I had access to the funds, I would be pursuing my advanced degrees too. I've gone through the " maybe they will like me if I get my degree " . " maybe they will like me if.... " . I have a hard time doing things because " I " want to, not because I think it would make me good enough to be loved by them. I always worry about them judging me (which they will, regardless of any good or bad that I'm doing). I struggle with living my life for ME, not for them. > > I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for 4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough " voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone, I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish, don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more than 3 hours of sleep. > So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO much. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 For me, I don't do these things to win their love. It is an " addiction to busyness " that I seem to have, a way to keep myself busy so I don't have to think about them. Also, even though my nada mostly thought I could do no wrong (splitting me and my brother usually), when I went out into the real world, I felt very different from everyone else because of my messed up family. I was very marginalized in the middle class community where I grew up, most people did not have blatantly crazy parents, so I had to " make something of myself " . It worked. Most people tell me all the time, " I don't know how you do it. You've done so well. You turned out so great considering all you've been through. " It was my way of fighting back. I never felt good enough however, not for my parents, but for the world. I also had to make some tough decisions later in life, going NC with nada and that made me feel like a selfish, bad person, so I had to do all this stuff to prove I was a good person who works hard to make the best life for her family. My goal in life is to provide my family with the opposite of what I had. Nada would never work hard like me, she never worked, never went to school, never cooked, never cleaned the house, never took us to activities, just wallowed in her own depression. I have to prove to everyone (mostly myself) that I am nothing like her. > > > > I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for 4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough " voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone, I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish, don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more than 3 hours of sleep. > > So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO much. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 " I don't know how you do it. You've done so well. You turned out so great considering all you've been through. " People say this to me a lot too. I'm not sure I do what I do to necessarily win their love. I think that being we have all grown up with the idea that we were " never good enough " it makes us feel the need to go above and beyond. Always trying to be " good enough " . I know, rationally that its my parents with the problem not me. But there is that little 5 year old girl that just wants their parents to love them deep down. Like with the running story the first poster mentioned. I do the same with my personal trainer, she tells me she wants 10..I push to 12. Just to say " HA! " I can do it. I'm always setting very high expectations for myself when I do things. Drives the husband nuts because I'm so very hard on myself when I'm not getting to where I need to get to as fast or as easily as I want. Even though I've exceeded the " norm " I still feel that I need to do 110% vs an acceptable 80%. > > > > > > I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for 4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough " voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone, I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish, don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more than 3 hours of sleep. > > > So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO much. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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