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((((my4fireflies)))) = a big virtual hug for you. I don't have your experience

exactly, but I was, like you, expected to be perfect... and I failed.

Nothing that I did was ever good enough for my nada; I was/am always a failure

in her eyes. I never gave her the fame, the wealth, and the public adulation

she craved for herself. I never gave her that, and she let me know how

disappointed she was with me both directly and indirectly, disappointed that I

failed her expectations, my whole freaking life.

It is difficult to forgive ourselves for failing in our parent's expectations of

us.

But once you accept that *the expectation is not realistic,* it is possible.

Nobody on this earth is perfect or capable of perfection, and that is OK as long

as we try our best.

It was *wrong* of our nadas to make us suffer and make us hate ourselves because

we are not perfect nor capable of achieving perfection. It is actually rather

cruel to expect that of a fellow human being, to expect that of one's child.

Nada herself is not perfect; yet we do not punish her for that, do we? No, we

don't.

All we ask for is kindness and acceptance in our imperfection, as we give

acceptance and kindness to others. We ask for and expect so little.

-Annie

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> I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for

4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so

HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of

my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls

and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough "

voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if

the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone,

I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my

degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st

semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not

taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I

know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST

CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could

ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I

have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish,

don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID

deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and

under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me

because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should

work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more

than 3 hours of sleep.

> So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY

from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO

much.

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Oh Yeah, I am EXACTLY, EXACTLY like you! EXACTLY! I have three kids that are

one after the other in age one or two years apart. I worked full time while

having them, and nursed each one for 18 months, 13 months, 10 months. At the

same time as I was working and perpetually pregnant or lactating, I was also

doing a Masters Degree which required hours of travel to and from my classes, as

well as a thesis/internship. My job was as a teacher, so needless to say, I was

the type of teacher who always took on every volunteer activity in the school

and brought home tons of correcting and preparing. I had my kids in swimming,

skating, art, dancing, etc. My husband was also working full time and doing his

Masters degree. We decided being with a parent was better for our kids than

daycare, so we alternated all of our shifts so that we had no time together as a

couple, but instead a parent was always available. We had no family supports.

My family has only nada, fada and a brother who, I don't even know his

diagnosis, but not good, my nada alienated all my extended family years ago, so

I know none of them. My hubby's parents are both deceased and we moved from our

hometown for work/career, but also to get away from nada. Oh, and while I was

doing my Masters, working, having three kids, I decided I would also do all the

pre-requisites for another degree I will pursue later. (Now have the Masters

and am pursuing the other degree). My nickname at work and in my classes is

" sucker for punishment " as I would often do three Masters courses per semester

while working (the limit is one per semester). My self-punishing, masochisstic

super ego. It also wakes me up at night with horrific nightmares that I am not

a good person. So, yeah, I GET IT!!!!! You wanna know what slowed me (a bit).

I got sick . I developed an autoimmune disease which forced me to give up my

job. I still beat myself up about that am trying to heal and get back on the

horse and back to work, but my doctor warns me not to go back to the old me, in

fact, she says, my body will continue to make me sick as long as I am still

determined to go back to the old me. Maybe there is a power higher than the

super ego? My next step is to do more mindfulness work, and get in touch with

the higher power in me that made me stop by making me sick. I hope this does

not happen to you. Sounds like you've had a lightbulb moment, so follow where

it takes you!

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> I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for

4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so

HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of

my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls

and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough "

voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if

the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone,

I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my

degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st

semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not

taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I

know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST

CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could

ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I

have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish,

don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID

deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and

under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me

because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should

work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more

than 3 hours of sleep.

> So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY

from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO

much.

>

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Wow.

You've given me a lot of food for thought.

I never think I'm good enough. I certainly do not go to the extremes that you

have. That said, I think if I had access to the funds, I would be pursuing my

advanced degrees too.

I've gone through the " maybe they will like me if I get my degree " . " maybe they

will like me if.... " .

I have a hard time doing things because " I " want to, not because I think it

would make me good enough to be loved by them. I always worry about them judging

me (which they will, regardless of any good or bad that I'm doing).

I struggle with living my life for ME, not for them.

>

> I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for

4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so

HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of

my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls

and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough "

voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if

the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone,

I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my

degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st

semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not

taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I

know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST

CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could

ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I

have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish,

don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID

deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and

under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me

because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should

work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more

than 3 hours of sleep.

> So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially RECOVERY

from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this explains SOOOO

much.

>

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For me, I don't do these things to win their love. It is an " addiction to

busyness " that I seem to have, a way to keep myself busy so I don't have to

think about them. Also, even though my nada mostly thought I could do no wrong

(splitting me and my brother usually), when I went out into the real world, I

felt very different from everyone else because of my messed up family. I was

very marginalized in the middle class community where I grew up, most people did

not have blatantly crazy parents, so I had to " make something of myself " . It

worked. Most people tell me all the time, " I don't know how you do it. You've

done so well. You turned out so great considering all you've been through. " It

was my way of fighting back. I never felt good enough however, not for my

parents, but for the world. I also had to make some tough decisions later in

life, going NC with nada and that made me feel like a selfish, bad person, so I

had to do all this stuff to prove I was a good person who works hard to make the

best life for her family. My goal in life is to provide my family with the

opposite of what I had. Nada would never work hard like me, she never worked,

never went to school, never cooked, never cleaned the house, never took us to

activities, just wallowed in her own depression. I have to prove to everyone

(mostly myself) that I am nothing like her.

> >

> > I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going for

4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something so

HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all of

my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my challenges/pitfalls

and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how the " never enough "

voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For example, in school if

the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I would never tell anyone,

I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I recently decided to finish my

degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to 2 classes. No more for my 1st

semester back after such a long break. So, feeling like I have no excuse for not

taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took 3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I

know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The autism is by far THE BIGGEST

CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut myself ANY slack so I could

ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my " punishing super ego " . I

have to guess that this is due to nada constantly telling me I am lazy, selfish,

don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing that happened was because I DID

deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and

under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell me my husband would leave me

because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked hard at his job so I should

work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I didnt feel I deserved more

than 3 hours of sleep.

> > So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially

RECOVERY from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this

explains SOOOO much.

> >

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" I don't know how you do it. You've done so well. You turned out so great

considering all you've been through. "

People say this to me a lot too.

I'm not sure I do what I do to necessarily win their love. I think that being we

have all grown up with the idea that we were " never good enough " it makes us

feel the need to go above and beyond. Always trying to be " good enough " . I know,

rationally that its my parents with the problem not me. But there is that little

5 year old girl that just wants their parents to love them deep down.

Like with the running story the first poster mentioned. I do the same with my

personal trainer, she tells me she wants 10..I push to 12. Just to say " HA! " I

can do it.

I'm always setting very high expectations for myself when I do things. Drives

the husband nuts because I'm so very hard on myself when I'm not getting to

where I need to get to as fast or as easily as I want. Even though I've exceeded

the " norm " I still feel that I need to do 110% vs an acceptable 80%.

> > >

> > > I went to what was supposed to be my last therapy appt. I've been going

for 4-5 years, on and off. Today my therapist uncovered something new. Something

so HUGE that I am shocked we never discussed it before. We were wrapping up all

of my achievements. Then we went over what I felt might be my

challenges/pitfalls and how to cope if things come up. Somehow in explaining how

the " never enough " voice pops up, quieter now but nonetheless annoying. For

example, in school if the coach said run 3 miles on saturday I would run 5. I

would never tell anyone, I just felt that I had to do more to be equal. I

recently decided to finish my degree after 15 years. I was advised to take 1 to

2 classes. No more for my 1st semester back after such a long break. So, feeling

like I have no excuse for not taking more because I am a stay-at-home mom I took

3. I have 4 kids-ages 7-12! I know I mention this a lot but 2 are autistic. The

autism is by far THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF MY LIFE. It pretty much runsDid I cut

myself ANY slack so I could ENJOY school? Nope! So my therapist says this is my "

punishing super ego " . I have to guess that this is due to nada constantly

telling me I am lazy, selfish, don't deserve anything positive, every bad thing

that happened was because I DID deserve it. She hated when I would relax-even as

an adult. I had 4 kids 5 and under and if I took 5 min to myself she would tell

me my husband would leave me because my house was messy, I was lazy, he worked

hard at his job so I should work hard at mine etc. It got to the point that I

didnt feel I deserved more than 3 hours of sleep.

> > > So I am wondering if any of you have experience with this, especially

RECOVERY from it. Im not able to go back for awhile and I just think this

explains SOOOO much.

> > >

> >

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