Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

[Guest guest]

MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Speaking of that, if you were the President of EMSAT, what would you do to

" help the situation " ?

Uh oh... going to insert my opinion here since... well, I'm female. I have an

opinion and can type (sort of) on a computer keyboard, so my opinion must be

told, right??? {grin}

Anyway, thanking " Tater " for the opportunity {grins again}...

I never heard of EMSAT until I recently joined this listserv. I had no idea

whose idea it was for the license plates, who opposed the proposed elimination

of the EMT-I certification, and so on. I'm glad " somebody " did it, but until

now, only considered little Gremins in the darkness doing good things like that.

So, it is apparent that the " marketing " tactics of this valuable organization

are not getting to the crews on the streets... or at least, not where I'm hiding

at. I phoned and asked a couple of collegues if they ever heard of EMSAT, all

answered " no " . As I see it, that's Challenge #1.

Challenge #2: I looked at the types of membership offered on the website:

individual voting for certified/licensed EMTs that costs $35 annually,

individual non-voting that is for RNs, MDs, PAs at $20, and corporate at $200

per year. Where I live and work, our EMTs are not compensated as well as those

towards the more metropolitan areas of Texas, and on top of that, we have a

hellava lot of volunteers who bust their butts running calls without pay.

There's a lot of extremely-dedicated EMS personnel out there to support a good

organization, but not a lot of available cash --- this is a rural cotton farming

area, where $35 per year amounts to a significant amount.

But, we all know that playing the " politics game " requires money for travel,

etc. and EMSAT needs cold hard cash to promote its cause. But, this

organization needs to determine its priority: Does it need the money most

importantly, or the support of EMTs??? If it needs the cash, then its current

system will work and you'll probably get the same numbers you have been getting.

If it needs the EMT strength behind it instead, consider a " non-voting EMT "

status that costs nothing (or just a small one-time admin fee for processing),

but allows EMTs to formally support an organization that supports them. I could

see a lot of the volunteer and paid EMTs in this area standing up for that.

I know that a valid arguement exists: EMSAT is important, and $35 a year is not

asking a lot. But to many, it'll pay a propane bill that's overdue, or will get

a broken down vehicle running again. Is the cash or support more important?

My two cents as always, ;-)

K. Pelletier

[Guest guest]

" E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> The license plates were pushed at the request of the membership at

> that time. How did the passage of this bill cause " destroyed

> credibility with a lot of people " ?

Because it created at least a perception of seriously misplaced

priorities. The first and only issue most of us have seen EMSAT get

seriously mobilized upon was decorations for our cars. You don't

see how that creates a bad image? Read over the archives of this

Listserver and find how many times the membership has brought up how

absurd and distasteful they find the practice of adorning POVs with

EMT regalia. Go to most EMS message boards and you will find the

same discussion taking place. If the EMSAT leadership is claiming

ignorance to that popular perception, then I am truly at a loss as

to how to advise them, because that would clearly indicate that they

reside in an ivory tower where the clouds and ozone completely

obscure their vision of reality. I just know that had they used any

of my membership money for that cause, they would never get another

dime out of me.

> Speaking of that, if you were the President of EMSAT, what would

> you do to " help the situation " ?

Fortunately, EMSAT now has an exteremely good and capable man at the

helm. is one of the most intelligent, dedicated,

personable, approachable, and diplomatic leaders I have known in

Texas EMS. Definitely the best director I ever worked for in over

twenty years in the field. If there were anyone who could by their

very presence instill a sense of hopeful confidence in me, it would

be .

As for my recommendations, my first and most obvious would be to get

your priorities straight. Some of the EMSAT members here had a lot

of nerve giving NAEMT a hard time over their Class A uniform

proposal when it was really pretty analogous to their own pointless

license plate fight. The priorities are clear. They are discussed

(and even cussed by some) here on a daily basis. The same three

topics that come up time and time again; education, recognition of

that education, and government regulation. All other concerns are

secondary and will dissolve once the above three priorities are

adequately addressed. HINT: opposing minimum staffing levels for

ambulances, as well as minimum education for Advanced Practice

Paramedics, is contrary to the common sense of this recommendation.

Second, I would urge EMSAT to not try to re-invent the wheel. Don't

try to start from scratch. We aren't the first profession to go

through this fight. Take lessons from those who have gone before

us. Develop alliances with them and enlist their support. Politics

may make strange bedfellowes, but it beats not getting laid at all.

Third, and this applies to EMS as a whole, not just Texas, clearly

separate EMS from the horizontal taxi industry. If it isn't 911, it

isn't EMS. It's just an ambulance service. We can't continue to be

shocked that nurses don't see us as professionals when the only time

most of them see us is when we come to carry their non-emergent

patients home or to the doctor's office. The way to clearly

establish our identity as EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES is to kill the

dreaded " ambulance driver " image that is the primary albatross

around our collective neck.

I could go on, but I'm not yet convinced that anybody is listening.

But thanks for asking!

Rob

[Guest guest]

" E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> The license plates were pushed at the request of the membership at

> that time. How did the passage of this bill cause " destroyed

> credibility with a lot of people " ?

Because it created at least a perception of seriously misplaced

priorities. The first and only issue most of us have seen EMSAT get

seriously mobilized upon was decorations for our cars. You don't

see how that creates a bad image? Read over the archives of this

Listserver and find how many times the membership has brought up how

absurd and distasteful they find the practice of adorning POVs with

EMT regalia. Go to most EMS message boards and you will find the

same discussion taking place. If the EMSAT leadership is claiming

ignorance to that popular perception, then I am truly at a loss as

to how to advise them, because that would clearly indicate that they

reside in an ivory tower where the clouds and ozone completely

obscure their vision of reality. I just know that had they used any

of my membership money for that cause, they would never get another

dime out of me.

> Speaking of that, if you were the President of EMSAT, what would

> you do to " help the situation " ?

Fortunately, EMSAT now has an exteremely good and capable man at the

helm. is one of the most intelligent, dedicated,

personable, approachable, and diplomatic leaders I have known in

Texas EMS. Definitely the best director I ever worked for in over

twenty years in the field. If there were anyone who could by their

very presence instill a sense of hopeful confidence in me, it would

be .

As for my recommendations, my first and most obvious would be to get

your priorities straight. Some of the EMSAT members here had a lot

of nerve giving NAEMT a hard time over their Class A uniform

proposal when it was really pretty analogous to their own pointless

license plate fight. The priorities are clear. They are discussed

(and even cussed by some) here on a daily basis. The same three

topics that come up time and time again; education, recognition of

that education, and government regulation. All other concerns are

secondary and will dissolve once the above three priorities are

adequately addressed. HINT: opposing minimum staffing levels for

ambulances, as well as minimum education for Advanced Practice

Paramedics, is contrary to the common sense of this recommendation.

Second, I would urge EMSAT to not try to re-invent the wheel. Don't

try to start from scratch. We aren't the first profession to go

through this fight. Take lessons from those who have gone before

us. Develop alliances with them and enlist their support. Politics

may make strange bedfellowes, but it beats not getting laid at all.

Third, and this applies to EMS as a whole, not just Texas, clearly

separate EMS from the horizontal taxi industry. If it isn't 911, it

isn't EMS. It's just an ambulance service. We can't continue to be

shocked that nurses don't see us as professionals when the only time

most of them see us is when we come to carry their non-emergent

patients home or to the doctor's office. The way to clearly

establish our identity as EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES is to kill the

dreaded " ambulance driver " image that is the primary albatross

around our collective neck.

I could go on, but I'm not yet convinced that anybody is listening.

But thanks for asking!

Rob

[Guest guest]

" E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> The license plates were pushed at the request of the membership at

> that time. How did the passage of this bill cause " destroyed

> credibility with a lot of people " ?

Because it created at least a perception of seriously misplaced

priorities. The first and only issue most of us have seen EMSAT get

seriously mobilized upon was decorations for our cars. You don't

see how that creates a bad image? Read over the archives of this

Listserver and find how many times the membership has brought up how

absurd and distasteful they find the practice of adorning POVs with

EMT regalia. Go to most EMS message boards and you will find the

same discussion taking place. If the EMSAT leadership is claiming

ignorance to that popular perception, then I am truly at a loss as

to how to advise them, because that would clearly indicate that they

reside in an ivory tower where the clouds and ozone completely

obscure their vision of reality. I just know that had they used any

of my membership money for that cause, they would never get another

dime out of me.

> Speaking of that, if you were the President of EMSAT, what would

> you do to " help the situation " ?

Fortunately, EMSAT now has an exteremely good and capable man at the

helm. is one of the most intelligent, dedicated,

personable, approachable, and diplomatic leaders I have known in

Texas EMS. Definitely the best director I ever worked for in over

twenty years in the field. If there were anyone who could by their

very presence instill a sense of hopeful confidence in me, it would

be .

As for my recommendations, my first and most obvious would be to get

your priorities straight. Some of the EMSAT members here had a lot

of nerve giving NAEMT a hard time over their Class A uniform

proposal when it was really pretty analogous to their own pointless

license plate fight. The priorities are clear. They are discussed

(and even cussed by some) here on a daily basis. The same three

topics that come up time and time again; education, recognition of

that education, and government regulation. All other concerns are

secondary and will dissolve once the above three priorities are

adequately addressed. HINT: opposing minimum staffing levels for

ambulances, as well as minimum education for Advanced Practice

Paramedics, is contrary to the common sense of this recommendation.

Second, I would urge EMSAT to not try to re-invent the wheel. Don't

try to start from scratch. We aren't the first profession to go

through this fight. Take lessons from those who have gone before

us. Develop alliances with them and enlist their support. Politics

may make strange bedfellowes, but it beats not getting laid at all.

Third, and this applies to EMS as a whole, not just Texas, clearly

separate EMS from the horizontal taxi industry. If it isn't 911, it

isn't EMS. It's just an ambulance service. We can't continue to be

shocked that nurses don't see us as professionals when the only time

most of them see us is when we come to carry their non-emergent

patients home or to the doctor's office. The way to clearly

establish our identity as EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES is to kill the

dreaded " ambulance driver " image that is the primary albatross

around our collective neck.

I could go on, but I'm not yet convinced that anybody is listening.

But thanks for asking!

Rob

[Guest guest]

I must chime in. The comment section below is what I am referring to in this

post.

Ladies and Gentlemen, who in the world ever told any of you that to be a

professional you must separate yourselves from any part of your job description?

There is nothing but knowledge of your specialty and common courtesy to your

fellow medical professionals that will advise those around you that you are a

medical professional.

With the comment below about separation of one part of EMS from the other one

questions how long it takes before one understands their job description and how

much knowledge actually is being gained from your actions on your various units.

Taking little Granny Grey Hair from her nursing establishment to her physician,

although probably not the most glamorous job; is an opportunity that should not

be taken lightly. Most of these individuals have numerous complaints and

numerous long term ailments. Has anyone stopped to glance over the information

that accompanies these patients? Probably not or the type of comments I see

strewn throughout the posts on this listserver would not be made. There is an

opportunity that you get only in clinical rotations as a student. The ability

to observe someone not in a state of emergency, although nursing establishments

are notorious for sending patients in dire need later than they should; but in a

situation where you can assess these patients and have time to think about what

you are assessing.

Transport over ground and not just from floor to floor is what we do. This is

where EMS is different from other professions and, God help me; I can't believe

most of us don't see this. Perhaps there are more that see it than not, and

perhaps those who don't post on this listserver more; I just don't know.

Ladies and Gentlemen our perception is what separates the professional from the

non-professional. If you can't see yourself as a professional noone else will.

One last comment and I will step down from my soap box; EMSAT is only as good as

those involved will allow it to be. An organization, any organization; will

always have those who oppose it. Why, because opposition is easier than having

to stand up for what you believe in. Noone wants to be ridiculed, noone wants

to feel like the town idiot, we all want to be patted on the back and told what

a good person we are. I personally think license plate legislation was a good

thing,at least something was done by this organization and that is what everyone

should stop and think about. You don't learn to run by continuing to sit in

your high chair. You don't learn how to get legislation passed by listening to

it on the radio or t.v. You go out and do it.

I will take my seat at the back of the auditorium and await further discussion.

dustdevil31 wrote:

" Third, and this applies to EMS as a whole, not just Texas, clearly

separate EMS from the horizontal taxi industry. If it isn't 911, it

isn't EMS. It's just an ambulance service. We can't continue to be

shocked that nurses don't see us as professionals when the only time

most of them see us is when we come to carry their non-emergent

patients home or to the doctor's office. The way to clearly

establish our identity as EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES is to kill the

dreaded " ambulance driver " image that is the primary albatross

around our collective neck.

I could go on, but I'm not yet convinced that anybody is listening.

But thanks for asking!

Rob

[Guest guest]

Fair comments, Danny. But however important and noble transporting

invalids around may be, it is still not EMS. It just isn't. It is

simply an overregulated taxi industry that holds back the professional

status of EMS. If we weren't seen by legislators and politicians as

greedy opportunists trying to get rich off of Medicare and Medicaid,

and seen only as providers of EMS, our current prospects for

professional advancement would be significantly greater.

Folks, wake up. If WE don't separate ourselves from the horizontal

taxi industry, the legislators will do it for us. In fact, everytime

amother city puts EMS into their fire department, that is exactly what

they are doing. And everytime that happens, that is one less reason

left, our entire profession takes a hit. We can either stay behind

this 8 ball, or we can get ahead of it.

Rob

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Taking little Granny Grey Hair from her nursing establishment to her

physician, although probably not the most glamorous job; is an

opportunity that should not be taken lightly. Most of these

individuals have numerous complaints and numerous long term ailments.

Has anyone stopped to glance over the information that accompanies

these patients? Probably not or the type of comments I see strewn

throughout the posts on this listserver would not be made. There is

an opportunity that you get only in clinical rotations as a student.

The ability to observe someone not in a state of emergency, although

nursing establishments are notorious for sending patients in dire need

later than they should; but in a situation where you can assess these

patients and have time to think about what you are assessing.

[Guest guest]

Fair comments, Danny. But however important and noble transporting

invalids around may be, it is still not EMS. It just isn't. It is

simply an overregulated taxi industry that holds back the professional

status of EMS. If we weren't seen by legislators and politicians as

greedy opportunists trying to get rich off of Medicare and Medicaid,

and seen only as providers of EMS, our current prospects for

professional advancement would be significantly greater.

Folks, wake up. If WE don't separate ourselves from the horizontal

taxi industry, the legislators will do it for us. In fact, everytime

amother city puts EMS into their fire department, that is exactly what

they are doing. And everytime that happens, that is one less reason

left, our entire profession takes a hit. We can either stay behind

this 8 ball, or we can get ahead of it.

Rob

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Taking little Granny Grey Hair from her nursing establishment to her

physician, although probably not the most glamorous job; is an

opportunity that should not be taken lightly. Most of these

individuals have numerous complaints and numerous long term ailments.

Has anyone stopped to glance over the information that accompanies

these patients? Probably not or the type of comments I see strewn

throughout the posts on this listserver would not be made. There is

an opportunity that you get only in clinical rotations as a student.

The ability to observe someone not in a state of emergency, although

nursing establishments are notorious for sending patients in dire need

later than they should; but in a situation where you can assess these

patients and have time to think about what you are assessing.

[Guest guest]

Fair comments, Danny. But however important and noble transporting

invalids around may be, it is still not EMS. It just isn't. It is

simply an overregulated taxi industry that holds back the professional

status of EMS. If we weren't seen by legislators and politicians as

greedy opportunists trying to get rich off of Medicare and Medicaid,

and seen only as providers of EMS, our current prospects for

professional advancement would be significantly greater.

Folks, wake up. If WE don't separate ourselves from the horizontal

taxi industry, the legislators will do it for us. In fact, everytime

amother city puts EMS into their fire department, that is exactly what

they are doing. And everytime that happens, that is one less reason

left, our entire profession takes a hit. We can either stay behind

this 8 ball, or we can get ahead of it.

Rob

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Taking little Granny Grey Hair from her nursing establishment to her

physician, although probably not the most glamorous job; is an

opportunity that should not be taken lightly. Most of these

individuals have numerous complaints and numerous long term ailments.

Has anyone stopped to glance over the information that accompanies

these patients? Probably not or the type of comments I see strewn

throughout the posts on this listserver would not be made. There is

an opportunity that you get only in clinical rotations as a student.

The ability to observe someone not in a state of emergency, although

nursing establishments are notorious for sending patients in dire need

later than they should; but in a situation where you can assess these

patients and have time to think about what you are assessing.

[Guest guest]

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

But Rob...only about 5 to 10% of what " EMS " does is emergency....maybe

the name is all wrong?

Maybe looking at " Medical Transportation " ...and then determining how to

best meet the needs of EVERYONE who needs to be moved...from the

ambulatory elderly person needing transport to the doctors office to

the person in full-blown CHF that is blowing pink froth with every

breath...

Question for you...why does Aunt Mabel who falls in her living room and

fx her hip deserve a better or different response than Aunt Betty who

falls in the NH and breaks her hip?

Dudley

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

But Rob...only about 5 to 10% of what " EMS " does is emergency....maybe

the name is all wrong?

Maybe looking at " Medical Transportation " ...and then determining how to

best meet the needs of EVERYONE who needs to be moved...from the

ambulatory elderly person needing transport to the doctors office to

the person in full-blown CHF that is blowing pink froth with every

breath...

Question for you...why does Aunt Mabel who falls in her living room and

fx her hip deserve a better or different response than Aunt Betty who

falls in the NH and breaks her hip?

Dudley

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

But Rob...only about 5 to 10% of what " EMS " does is emergency....maybe

the name is all wrong?

Maybe looking at " Medical Transportation " ...and then determining how to

best meet the needs of EVERYONE who needs to be moved...from the

ambulatory elderly person needing transport to the doctors office to

the person in full-blown CHF that is blowing pink froth with every

breath...

Question for you...why does Aunt Mabel who falls in her living room and

fx her hip deserve a better or different response than Aunt Betty who

falls in the NH and breaks her hip?

Dudley

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Dudley -- the question, as I see it, isn't between Aunt Mabel at home and Aunt

Betty at the nursing home. The question is, does Uncle Joe who needs

transportation from the nursing home to dialysis need the same level of care as

does Uncle Ted who has an MI (either at home or the NH)?

To me, there's a difference between providing medical care and providing medical

transportation. I'm just not sure where that fine line can be drawn.

-Wes

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Dudley -- the question, as I see it, isn't between Aunt Mabel at home and Aunt

Betty at the nursing home. The question is, does Uncle Joe who needs

transportation from the nursing home to dialysis need the same level of care as

does Uncle Ted who has an MI (either at home or the NH)?

To me, there's a difference between providing medical care and providing medical

transportation. I'm just not sure where that fine line can be drawn.

-Wes

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Dudley -- the question, as I see it, isn't between Aunt Mabel at home and Aunt

Betty at the nursing home. The question is, does Uncle Joe who needs

transportation from the nursing home to dialysis need the same level of care as

does Uncle Ted who has an MI (either at home or the NH)?

To me, there's a difference between providing medical care and providing medical

transportation. I'm just not sure where that fine line can be drawn.

-Wes

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Is there a difference in education for the Nurse who cares for Joe at the ER

when he falls and Joe at Dialysis? Is there two seperate registry services

for those nurses? Are they Regulated by different people?

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Is there a difference in education for the Nurse who cares for Joe at the ER

when he falls and Joe at Dialysis? Is there two seperate registry services

for those nurses? Are they Regulated by different people?

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Is there a difference in education for the Nurse who cares for Joe at the ER

when he falls and Joe at Dialysis? Is there two seperate registry services

for those nurses? Are they Regulated by different people?

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Nope. But the nurse provides nursing at either facility. However - does it

require EMS skills and knowledge merely to provide transport to someone who is

unable to walk?

-Wes

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Nope. But the nurse provides nursing at either facility. However - does it

require EMS skills and knowledge merely to provide transport to someone who is

unable to walk?

-Wes

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Nope. But the nurse provides nursing at either facility. However - does it

require EMS skills and knowledge merely to provide transport to someone who is

unable to walk?

-Wes

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

No but are they employed by two different services? The nursing home

can't or won't put a dialysis machine in its facility. Why not have the

nursing home nurses do the dialysis treatment at the NH?

The same concept for EMS - why not have two different services provide

for their needs, one for emergencies one for non emergencies? Just as

there are two services (nursing home and dialysis center) providing for

two distinctively different services.

AJL

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of ,

Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:30 AM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix

EMSAT??

Is there a difference in education for the Nurse who cares for Joe at

the ER

when he falls and Joe at Dialysis? Is there two seperate registry

services

for those nurses? Are they Regulated by different people?

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix

EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

No but are they employed by two different services? The nursing home

can't or won't put a dialysis machine in its facility. Why not have the

nursing home nurses do the dialysis treatment at the NH?

The same concept for EMS - why not have two different services provide

for their needs, one for emergencies one for non emergencies? Just as

there are two services (nursing home and dialysis center) providing for

two distinctively different services.

AJL

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of ,

Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:30 AM

To:

Subject: RE: Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix

EMSAT??

Is there a difference in education for the Nurse who cares for Joe at

the ER

when he falls and Joe at Dialysis? Is there two seperate registry

services

for those nurses? Are they Regulated by different people?

Re: MANDATORY READING ----- How can I fix

EMSAT??

Danny <petsardlj@s...> wrote:

>

> Transportation is EMS. That is where we are and that is where we

came from.

By that logic, funeral services are also EMS. That's where I came

from.

There is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about funeral services.

And there is nothing " emergency " nor " medical " about invalid

transportation. So are we now reducing EMS to nothing but a fancy

semantic with no actual meaning?

Rob

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/10/2005 1:42:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

Nope. When they show me they are serious about priorities, I'll support

them. Until then, I seriously doubt they want me to come and tell them how I

think they ought to do things. Do you?

Actually I do, I'm on the BoD of EMSAT and I've been reading this thread

very closely lately.

I want every EMS Provider to tell EMSAT what they want. When the plates were

on the front burner it was due to the Membership of EMSAT at the time

telling the then members of the BoD that they wanted those plates.

I was not really overly impressed at that time with the whole concept but

the vast majority of the MEMBERS of EMSAT at that time wanted the plates. They

got the plates, if you and others come through and tell us YOUR priorities as

MEMEBRES well EMSAT is a MEMBER driven organization it really is so if

someone wants their opinion heard all they need to do is 1) join and 2) make

their

opinions known. You do that long enough you might just change things at EMSAT

as well as in EMS overall?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/10/2005 1:42:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

Nope. When they show me they are serious about priorities, I'll support

them. Until then, I seriously doubt they want me to come and tell them how I

think they ought to do things. Do you?

Actually I do, I'm on the BoD of EMSAT and I've been reading this thread

very closely lately.

I want every EMS Provider to tell EMSAT what they want. When the plates were

on the front burner it was due to the Membership of EMSAT at the time

telling the then members of the BoD that they wanted those plates.

I was not really overly impressed at that time with the whole concept but

the vast majority of the MEMBERS of EMSAT at that time wanted the plates. They

got the plates, if you and others come through and tell us YOUR priorities as

MEMEBRES well EMSAT is a MEMBER driven organization it really is so if

someone wants their opinion heard all they need to do is 1) join and 2) make

their

opinions known. You do that long enough you might just change things at EMSAT

as well as in EMS overall?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.