Re: my mother is very sick - long..

[Guest guest]

Hi Coal miner's doutter!

My nada has a period when she was obsessed with religion ( christian one) At

that time I didn't take her seriously anymore so she didn't do some damage to

me. In my home town I met a lot of " good christian " people. Bur when I looked

closeley what they did or said - it was all just a farse. I was raised as

christian but it didn't fit me. I had and still have my own faith - but it is

hard to explain for me in English.

But when I was at university ( I studied psychology at that time) " new age " hit

my country. I was thrilled at the beginning with so many new perspectives of

everything - live, love, living.......I explored all of them. Mediation, yoga,

rebirthing, voice-dialog, channeling, walking on fire, tarot, reflexotherapy

........and I learn a lot. Without some of that knowledge I would probably won't

be alive today ( or sane or successful) I still use some techniques .meditation

for example.

I met a lof of different people there. I met some beautiful people who teach and

give and people who come and use some of the techniques and heal , grow and go

on with their life which was much better than before.

I met some people who are still going on the same workshops and after 20 and

more years they are the same or even worst. They use that just for excuse not to

move, change or grow. I call them new age junkies.

I met some people who go to some seminars and declared themselves as therapist,

or medium or teacher .....and they do a lot of damage and some crazy people who

find themselves teachers or mediums even without learning anything.

I met also a lot of broken people used by so called " teachers " and some people

who are completely destroyed or in mental hospitals now because of that.

Everything has a good and bad side ( and a lot of between)

I was (sooner or latter) expeled allmost from every group:-))...because I can

not be quiet and I allway speak if I see that something is not right. When I

made some articles about some of the weirdos groups who did a lot of damage they

even made rituals against me, call me a black which and similar bad new age

names.

But the most horrible thing for me was when I saw children used for crazy

ideas other adults.

One 11 years old girl her nada forced to channel. She abuse her with other

things too ( with blessing of some teachers who where in the same group) When

she was teenager she run away and became heroin addict. Together with my fried

we tried to help her and she went to her father later and now she is a little

better. But the damage was done and she is sill recovering

I met 16 years old girl who started to live with a couple ( one was " teacher "

other one was " medium " ) They tell her a lot of crazy things, how she is

special......., they abuse her in many ways but the worst was spiritual abuse.

She ended in mental hospital couple of times. They didn't help her , they just

leave her there with some new age crap explanation why this must be. After many

many years ( and few more abuses) she slowly recovered. Now she has her family

and hopefully she won't have to go to hospital again.

I met 2 girls - their father was in some sort of cult ( together with respectful

people, some of them teachers too) The idea was that the children are too

spoiled and they put them in some new age summer camp where they beat them very

badly and sexually abuse them. Their father defend the group, their mother was

" too scare " to do anything. The police found about them after wife of one of the

leaders come to the police station all covered with bruises. They made an

investigation and found out what happened to the children in this group ( not

just in summer camps). I met this 2 girls few years later when everything comes

to the court. (other childre wwere too scare to talk - they where 16 at that

time) They where completely destroyed , nobody believes them, attorneys attacked

them, father said that they lie....people around them didn' t believed them,

they where thinking they are strange and that they are lying.

I made an artilce about that and had a big fight with attorneys ( 4 of them

wanted to sue me) with group (they attacked me badly) with the system ( they

made a lot of stupid things and I have a looooong talks with responsible

authorities..) but things change. Not all and not completely but enough for

girls not to be victims anymore and enough that people see who are the liers.

The girls are fine now, they have their own family and they have at least a

little justice.

The same group change its name and go to schools to organize some events. I

found them and made another article. And was attacked again. But I stooped them.

And than one more time when thay sent their father to persuade them not to

wittiness. The only things that stopes them is " bad publicity " .

This is just few of my " war " stories. But the point is : even if you manipulate

adults with your crazy ideas it is not right. but if you manipulate children

soul or spirit or whatever you call it this is CRIMINAL!

It is loooong mail , but I really get mad when I thing about children

abuse....maybe because nobody helps or belive me and this is my way to fight

back...:-)))

Have a nice day!

Yenaine

> >

> > Hi Coal miner daughter!

> > From all the abuses for me the spiritual abuse is almost the worst one. At

least for me.I consider myself deeply spiritual but I'm completely allergic on

this kind of abuse. It is easier to heal body and mind than to heal your spirit.

I'm a journalist and I met some children who where similar (or even worst) used

by their parents or other adults. It was deeply touched when I see how much

problems this kids have later in their live. I made some articles about that and

I fought some battles for this kids. It always shocked me that society don't

see any real problem in that or how much they are afraid to interfere

sometimes.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You are a modern day knight in shining armor, in my opinion: a hero.

Anybody who steps up to the plate and publicly witnesses and advocates for

abused kids against their perps like you've done has a lot of courage, and a

core of steel. And you did it even though it wasn't easy, and it got you

persecuted by the nasty perps and their lawyers, but you stood up and you wrote

your articles and you exposed them for what they are, anyway. Doing the right

thing is often not easy, and it can even be dangerous, but you did it anyway.

You are to be honored.

Blessings to you, Yenaine.

-Annie

> > >

> > > Hi Coal miner daughter!

> > > From all the abuses for me the spiritual abuse is almost the worst one. At

least for me.I consider myself deeply spiritual but I'm completely allergic on

this kind of abuse. It is easier to heal body and mind than to heal your spirit.

I'm a journalist and I met some children who where similar (or even worst) used

by their parents or other adults. It was deeply touched when I see how much

problems this kids have later in their live. I made some articles about that and

I fought some battles for this kids. It always shocked me that society don't

see any real problem in that or how much they are afraid to interfere

sometimes.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Yenaine,

I am so glad to hear about what you did for these girls and others. Good for

you for standing up for them! Sometimes religious beliefs of various sorts can

serve as an excuse for such terrible abuse. The worst thing in child abuse is

when people don't believe the children. Many of us on this board have dealt

with that feeling - from our own families, in many cases.

By the way, I'm not sure what your primary language is, but your English is very

good.

-Coal Miner's Daughter

>>

> I made an artilce about that and had a big fight with attorneys ( 4 of them

wanted to sue me) with group (they attacked me badly) with the system ( they

made a lot of stupid things and I have a looooong talks with responsible

authorities..) but things change. Not all and not completely but enough for

girls not to be victims anymore and enough that people see who are the liers.

The girls are fine now, they have their own family and they have at least a

little justice.

>

> The same group change its name and go to schools to organize some events. I

found them and made another article. And was attacked again. But I stooped them.

And than one more time when thay sent their father to persuade them not to

wittiness. The only things that stopes them is " bad publicity " .

>

>> Yenaine

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Yenaine,

I am so glad to hear about what you did for these girls and others. Good for

you for standing up for them! Sometimes religious beliefs of various sorts can

serve as an excuse for such terrible abuse. The worst thing in child abuse is

when people don't believe the children. Many of us on this board have dealt

with that feeling - from our own families, in many cases.

By the way, I'm not sure what your primary language is, but your English is very

good.

-Coal Miner's Daughter

>>

> I made an artilce about that and had a big fight with attorneys ( 4 of them

wanted to sue me) with group (they attacked me badly) with the system ( they

made a lot of stupid things and I have a looooong talks with responsible

authorities..) but things change. Not all and not completely but enough for

girls not to be victims anymore and enough that people see who are the liers.

The girls are fine now, they have their own family and they have at least a

little justice.

>

> The same group change its name and go to schools to organize some events. I

found them and made another article. And was attacked again. But I stooped them.

And than one more time when thay sent their father to persuade them not to

wittiness. The only things that stopes them is " bad publicity " .

>

>> Yenaine

>

>

[Guest guest]

" a modern day knight in shining armor! " heheh...:-)) you make me smile...

I don't see anything heroic in helping children or other people who can not help

themselves. This should be normal in healthy society - which are rare.

Sometimes you can't do anything or your help can even make things worse.

The credit goes more to my character than my heroism...:-)

Being raised in dysfunctional family you have two choices - to please too much

or fight to much and I " choose " to be rebellion. I was the " bad " child and I

was thinking - if you tell me that I'm BAD - than you'll see that. It is easier

that than to be accused for nothing. I didn't do anything bad really - but if

you have BPD nada and possibly NPD fada and all the others refused to see what

was happening - than " bad " is even if you decided to tell the " ugly " truth no

matter what...:-))or you fight for your ( and other) rights even if you have a

HUGE problems later:-)) Sometimes I was " bad " just to be lightning conductor

for them and after everybody throw all their shit in me , the life was easier at

least for a day or two (I always thought that I'm the stronger one, for me it is

easier) and sometimes the truth was my revenge. You all probably know what kind

of explosion you make if you put the thruth on the table...:-))

So we were all very happy when I moved out. I started to live on my own when I

was 18. They concentrated on my little sister than who chose to be a NICE one

and they completely destroyed her. ( And separate us before with manipulation

and lies) I worked a lot on myself to change some things and to use my rebellion

rather for good things than to be selfdestructive ( it take some time...).

And second - like almost all adult children of BPD I became good " rescuer " of

others. But I decided rather to resgue people who has real problems and need

some help than my " poor, old, fragile - coldhearthed " nada.This can be very

helpful when you need to calm down your FOG :-))

And I'm lucky that now I'm working in profession where I can rebel and challenge

the authorities (the bad one) and help others. My life in BPD -NPD family gives

me all the tools to be successful in that :-))

Have a nice day!!

yenaine

> > > >

> > > > Hi Coal miner daughter!

> > > > From all the abuses for me the spiritual abuse is almost the worst one.

At least for me.I consider myself deeply spiritual but I'm completely allergic

on this kind of abuse. It is easier to heal body and mind than to heal your

spirit. I'm a journalist and I met some children who where similar (or even

worst) used by their parents or other adults. It was deeply touched when I see

how much problems this kids have later in their live. I made some articles about

that and I fought some battles for this kids. It always shocked me that society

don't see any real problem in that or how much they are afraid to interfere

sometimes.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" a modern day knight in shining armor! " heheh...:-)) you make me smile...

I don't see anything heroic in helping children or other people who can not help

themselves. This should be normal in healthy society - which are rare.

Sometimes you can't do anything or your help can even make things worse.

The credit goes more to my character than my heroism...:-)

Being raised in dysfunctional family you have two choices - to please too much

or fight to much and I " choose " to be rebellion. I was the " bad " child and I

was thinking - if you tell me that I'm BAD - than you'll see that. It is easier

that than to be accused for nothing. I didn't do anything bad really - but if

you have BPD nada and possibly NPD fada and all the others refused to see what

was happening - than " bad " is even if you decided to tell the " ugly " truth no

matter what...:-))or you fight for your ( and other) rights even if you have a

HUGE problems later:-)) Sometimes I was " bad " just to be lightning conductor

for them and after everybody throw all their shit in me , the life was easier at

least for a day or two (I always thought that I'm the stronger one, for me it is

easier) and sometimes the truth was my revenge. You all probably know what kind

of explosion you make if you put the thruth on the table...:-))

So we were all very happy when I moved out. I started to live on my own when I

was 18. They concentrated on my little sister than who chose to be a NICE one

and they completely destroyed her. ( And separate us before with manipulation

and lies) I worked a lot on myself to change some things and to use my rebellion

rather for good things than to be selfdestructive ( it take some time...).

And second - like almost all adult children of BPD I became good " rescuer " of

others. But I decided rather to resgue people who has real problems and need

some help than my " poor, old, fragile - coldhearthed " nada.This can be very

helpful when you need to calm down your FOG :-))

And I'm lucky that now I'm working in profession where I can rebel and challenge

the authorities (the bad one) and help others. My life in BPD -NPD family gives

me all the tools to be successful in that :-))

Have a nice day!!

yenaine

> > > >

> > > > Hi Coal miner daughter!

> > > > From all the abuses for me the spiritual abuse is almost the worst one.

At least for me.I consider myself deeply spiritual but I'm completely allergic

on this kind of abuse. It is easier to heal body and mind than to heal your

spirit. I'm a journalist and I met some children who where similar (or even

worst) used by their parents or other adults. It was deeply touched when I see

how much problems this kids have later in their live. I made some articles about

that and I fought some battles for this kids. It always shocked me that society

don't see any real problem in that or how much they are afraid to interfere

sometimes.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yenaine,I also applaud you for using your journalism to expose child abuse and

wrong doing.You are a credit to your profession.It's great that you tracked down

that group and exposed them again after they tried changing their name.

You have quite an extraordinary independence of mind and genuine

integrity.It sounds like you have many interesting stories to share as well as

much that you have learned from your own life.Maybe you should write a memoir?

Someday?

Again,much applause for your righteous journalism!

>

> Hi Coal miner's doutter!

> My nada has a period when she was obsessed with religion ( christian one) At

that time I didn't take her seriously anymore so she didn't do some damage to

me. In my home town I met a lot of " good christian " people. Bur when I looked

closeley what they did or said - it was all just a farse. I was raised as

christian but it didn't fit me. I had and still have my own faith - but it is

hard to explain for me in English.

>

> But when I was at university ( I studied psychology at that time) " new age "

hit my country. I was thrilled at the beginning with so many new perspectives of

everything - live, love, living.......I explored all of them. Mediation, yoga,

rebirthing, voice-dialog, channeling, walking on fire, tarot, reflexotherapy

........and I learn a lot. Without some of that knowledge I would probably won't

be alive today ( or sane or successful) I still use some techniques .meditation

for example.

>

> I met a lof of different people there. I met some beautiful people who teach

and give and people who come and use some of the techniques and heal , grow and

go on with their life which was much better than before.

> I met some people who are still going on the same workshops and after 20 and

more years they are the same or even worst. They use that just for excuse not to

move, change or grow. I call them new age junkies.

> I met some people who go to some seminars and declared themselves as

therapist, or medium or teacher .....and they do a lot of damage and some crazy

people who find themselves teachers or mediums even without learning anything.

> I met also a lot of broken people used by so called " teachers " and some

people who are completely destroyed or in mental hospitals now because of that.

> Everything has a good and bad side ( and a lot of between)

>

> I was (sooner or latter) expeled allmost from every group:-))...because I can

not be quiet and I allway speak if I see that something is not right. When I

made some articles about some of the weirdos groups who did a lot of damage they

even made rituals against me, call me a black which and similar bad new age

names.

>

> But the most horrible thing for me was when I saw children used for crazy

ideas other adults.

>

> One 11 years old girl her nada forced to channel. She abuse her with other

things too ( with blessing of some teachers who where in the same group) When

she was teenager she run away and became heroin addict. Together with my fried

we tried to help her and she went to her father later and now she is a little

better. But the damage was done and she is sill recovering

>

> I met 16 years old girl who started to live with a couple ( one was " teacher "

other one was " medium " ) They tell her a lot of crazy things, how she is

special......., they abuse her in many ways but the worst was spiritual abuse.

She ended in mental hospital couple of times. They didn't help her , they just

leave her there with some new age crap explanation why this must be. After many

many years ( and few more abuses) she slowly recovered. Now she has her family

and hopefully she won't have to go to hospital again.

>

> I met 2 girls - their father was in some sort of cult ( together with

respectful people, some of them teachers too) The idea was that the children are

too spoiled and they put them in some new age summer camp where they beat them

very badly and sexually abuse them. Their father defend the group, their mother

was " too scare " to do anything. The police found about them after wife of one of

the leaders come to the police station all covered with bruises. They made an

investigation and found out what happened to the children in this group ( not

just in summer camps). I met this 2 girls few years later when everything comes

to the court. (other childre wwere too scare to talk - they where 16 at that

time) They where completely destroyed , nobody believes them, attorneys attacked

them, father said that they lie....people around them didn' t believed them,

they where thinking they are strange and that they are lying.

>

> I made an artilce about that and had a big fight with attorneys ( 4 of them

wanted to sue me) with group (they attacked me badly) with the system ( they

made a lot of stupid things and I have a looooong talks with responsible

authorities..) but things change. Not all and not completely but enough for

girls not to be victims anymore and enough that people see who are the liers.

The girls are fine now, they have their own family and they have at least a

little justice.

>

> The same group change its name and go to schools to organize some events. I

found them and made another article. And was attacked again. But I stooped them.

And than one more time when thay sent their father to persuade them not to

wittiness. The only things that stopes them is " bad publicity " .

>

>

> This is just few of my " war " stories. But the point is : even if you

manipulate adults with your crazy ideas it is not right. but if you manipulate

children soul or spirit or whatever you call it this is CRIMINAL!

>

> It is loooong mail , but I really get mad when I thing about children

abuse....maybe because nobody helps or belive me and this is my way to fight

back...:-)))

>

> Have a nice day!

> Yenaine

[Guest guest]

Memoir? :-) Maybe latter in my life , right now I'm working on 2 projects (

+ my work + kid + partner) But my friends allready said to me it would be a

hell of a story...:-))

Imagine a " vulcanic energy " ( descprition from my close ones) beeing raised

in completly crazy familly who later walked total messed up and without

any guidance around this world.....I'm lucky I survived and somehow became

" kind of normal " - I'm totaly sure something or somebody is quarding me very

strongly...:-))

I think that journalists should be the " watc dog " of society because

sometimes it is the only way to change things - even if the change is small.

But I think that anybody can make some change even if it is not journalist

or doesn't have some other " bigger " power. Every yourney starts with one

step they said...and every change can bi made with ( a lot of ) small

things. For yourself or for others.

Y.

2010/11/28 christine.depizan

>

>

> Yenaine,I also applaud you for using your journalism to expose child abuse

> and wrong doing.You are a credit to your profession.It's great that you

> tracked down that group and exposed them again after they tried changing

> their name.

>

> You have quite an extraordinary independence of mind and genuine

> integrity.It sounds like you have many interesting stories to share as well

> as much that you have learned from your own life.Maybe you should write a

> memoir? Someday?

>

> Again,much applause for your righteous journalism!

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Coal miner's doutter!

> > My nada has a period when she was obsessed with religion ( christian one)

> At that time I didn't take her seriously anymore so she didn't do some

> damage to me. In my home town I met a lot of " good christian " people. Bur

> when I looked closeley what they did or said - it was all just a farse. I

> was raised as christian but it didn't fit me. I had and still have my own

> faith - but it is hard to explain for me in English.

> >

> > But when I was at university ( I studied psychology at that time) " new

> age " hit my country. I was thrilled at the beginning with so many new

> perspectives of everything - live, love, living.......I explored all of

> them. Mediation, yoga, rebirthing, voice-dialog, channeling, walking on

> fire, tarot, reflexotherapy .......and I learn a lot. Without some of that

> knowledge I would probably won't be alive today ( or sane or successful) I

> still use some techniques .meditation for example.

> >

> > I met a lof of different people there. I met some beautiful people who

> teach and give and people who come and use some of the techniques and heal ,

> grow and go on with their life which was much better than before.

> > I met some people who are still going on the same workshops and after 20

> and more years they are the same or even worst. They use that just for

> excuse not to move, change or grow. I call them new age junkies.

> > I met some people who go to some seminars and declared themselves as

> therapist, or medium or teacher .....and they do a lot of damage and some

> crazy people who find themselves teachers or mediums even without learning

> anything.

> > I met also a lot of broken people used by so called " teachers " and some

> people who are completely destroyed or in mental hospitals now because of

> that.

> > Everything has a good and bad side ( and a lot of between)

> >

> > I was (sooner or latter) expeled allmost from every group:-))...because I

> can not be quiet and I allway speak if I see that something is not right.

> When I made some articles about some of the weirdos groups who did a lot of

> damage they even made rituals against me, call me a black which and similar

> bad new age names.

> >

> > But the most horrible thing for me was when I saw children used for crazy

> ideas other adults.

> >

> > One 11 years old girl her nada forced to channel. She abuse her with

> other things too ( with blessing of some teachers who where in the same

> group) When she was teenager she run away and became heroin addict. Together

> with my fried we tried to help her and she went to her father later and now

> she is a little better. But the damage was done and she is sill recovering

> >

> > I met 16 years old girl who started to live with a couple ( one was

> " teacher " other one was " medium " ) They tell her a lot of crazy things, how

> she is special......., they abuse her in many ways but the worst was

> spiritual abuse. She ended in mental hospital couple of times. They didn't

> help her , they just leave her there with some new age crap explanation why

> this must be. After many many years ( and few more abuses) she slowly

> recovered. Now she has her family and hopefully she won't have to go to

> hospital again.

> >

> > I met 2 girls - their father was in some sort of cult ( together with

> respectful people, some of them teachers too) The idea was that the children

> are too spoiled and they put them in some new age summer camp where they

> beat them very badly and sexually abuse them. Their father defend the group,

> their mother was " too scare " to do anything. The police found about them

> after wife of one of the leaders come to the police station all covered with

> bruises. They made an investigation and found out what happened to the

> children in this group ( not just in summer camps). I met this 2 girls few

> years later when everything comes to the court. (other childre wwere too

> scare to talk - they where 16 at that time) They where completely destroyed

> , nobody believes them, attorneys attacked them, father said that they

> lie....people around them didn' t believed them, they where thinking they

> are strange and that they are lying.

> >

> > I made an artilce about that and had a big fight with attorneys ( 4 of

> them wanted to sue me) with group (they attacked me badly) with the system (

> they made a lot of stupid things and I have a looooong talks with

> responsible authorities..) but things change. Not all and not completely but

> enough for girls not to be victims anymore and enough that people see who

> are the liers. The girls are fine now, they have their own family and they

> have at least a little justice.

> >

> > The same group change its name and go to schools to organize some events.

> I found them and made another article. And was attacked again. But I stooped

> them. And than one more time when thay sent their father to persuade them

> not to wittiness. The only things that stopes them is " bad publicity " .

> >

> >

> > This is just few of my " war " stories. But the point is : even if you

> manipulate adults with your crazy ideas it is not right. but if you

> manipulate children soul or spirit or whatever you call it this is CRIMINAL!

> >

> > It is loooong mail , but I really get mad when I thing about children

> abuse....maybe because nobody helps or belive me and this is my way to fight

> back...:-)))

> >

> > Have a nice day!

> > Yenaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Memoir? :-) Maybe latter in my life , right now I'm working on 2 projects (

+ my work + kid + partner) But my friends allready said to me it would be a

hell of a story...:-))

Imagine a " vulcanic energy " ( descprition from my close ones) beeing raised

in completly crazy familly who later walked total messed up and without

any guidance around this world.....I'm lucky I survived and somehow became

" kind of normal " - I'm totaly sure something or somebody is quarding me very

strongly...:-))

I think that journalists should be the " watc dog " of society because

sometimes it is the only way to change things - even if the change is small.

But I think that anybody can make some change even if it is not journalist

or doesn't have some other " bigger " power. Every yourney starts with one

step they said...and every change can bi made with ( a lot of ) small

things. For yourself or for others.

Y.

2010/11/28 christine.depizan

>

>

> Yenaine,I also applaud you for using your journalism to expose child abuse

> and wrong doing.You are a credit to your profession.It's great that you

> tracked down that group and exposed them again after they tried changing

> their name.

>

> You have quite an extraordinary independence of mind and genuine

> integrity.It sounds like you have many interesting stories to share as well

> as much that you have learned from your own life.Maybe you should write a

> memoir? Someday?

>

> Again,much applause for your righteous journalism!

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Coal miner's doutter!

> > My nada has a period when she was obsessed with religion ( christian one)

> At that time I didn't take her seriously anymore so she didn't do some

> damage to me. In my home town I met a lot of " good christian " people. Bur

> when I looked closeley what they did or said - it was all just a farse. I

> was raised as christian but it didn't fit me. I had and still have my own

> faith - but it is hard to explain for me in English.

> >

> > But when I was at university ( I studied psychology at that time) " new

> age " hit my country. I was thrilled at the beginning with so many new

> perspectives of everything - live, love, living.......I explored all of

> them. Mediation, yoga, rebirthing, voice-dialog, channeling, walking on

> fire, tarot, reflexotherapy .......and I learn a lot. Without some of that

> knowledge I would probably won't be alive today ( or sane or successful) I

> still use some techniques .meditation for example.

> >

> > I met a lof of different people there. I met some beautiful people who

> teach and give and people who come and use some of the techniques and heal ,

> grow and go on with their life which was much better than before.

> > I met some people who are still going on the same workshops and after 20

> and more years they are the same or even worst. They use that just for

> excuse not to move, change or grow. I call them new age junkies.

> > I met some people who go to some seminars and declared themselves as

> therapist, or medium or teacher .....and they do a lot of damage and some

> crazy people who find themselves teachers or mediums even without learning

> anything.

> > I met also a lot of broken people used by so called " teachers " and some

> people who are completely destroyed or in mental hospitals now because of

> that.

> > Everything has a good and bad side ( and a lot of between)

> >

> > I was (sooner or latter) expeled allmost from every group:-))...because I

> can not be quiet and I allway speak if I see that something is not right.

> When I made some articles about some of the weirdos groups who did a lot of

> damage they even made rituals against me, call me a black which and similar

> bad new age names.

> >

> > But the most horrible thing for me was when I saw children used for crazy

> ideas other adults.

> >

> > One 11 years old girl her nada forced to channel. She abuse her with

> other things too ( with blessing of some teachers who where in the same

> group) When she was teenager she run away and became heroin addict. Together

> with my fried we tried to help her and she went to her father later and now

> she is a little better. But the damage was done and she is sill recovering

> >

> > I met 16 years old girl who started to live with a couple ( one was

> " teacher " other one was " medium " ) They tell her a lot of crazy things, how

> she is special......., they abuse her in many ways but the worst was

> spiritual abuse. She ended in mental hospital couple of times. They didn't

> help her , they just leave her there with some new age crap explanation why

> this must be. After many many years ( and few more abuses) she slowly

> recovered. Now she has her family and hopefully she won't have to go to

> hospital again.

> >

> > I met 2 girls - their father was in some sort of cult ( together with

> respectful people, some of them teachers too) The idea was that the children

> are too spoiled and they put them in some new age summer camp where they

> beat them very badly and sexually abuse them. Their father defend the group,

> their mother was " too scare " to do anything. The police found about them

> after wife of one of the leaders come to the police station all covered with

> bruises. They made an investigation and found out what happened to the

> children in this group ( not just in summer camps). I met this 2 girls few

> years later when everything comes to the court. (other childre wwere too

> scare to talk - they where 16 at that time) They where completely destroyed

> , nobody believes them, attorneys attacked them, father said that they

> lie....people around them didn' t believed them, they where thinking they

> are strange and that they are lying.

> >

> > I made an artilce about that and had a big fight with attorneys ( 4 of

> them wanted to sue me) with group (they attacked me badly) with the system (

> they made a lot of stupid things and I have a looooong talks with

> responsible authorities..) but things change. Not all and not completely but

> enough for girls not to be victims anymore and enough that people see who

> are the liers. The girls are fine now, they have their own family and they

> have at least a little justice.

> >

> > The same group change its name and go to schools to organize some events.

> I found them and made another article. And was attacked again. But I stooped

> them. And than one more time when thay sent their father to persuade them

> not to wittiness. The only things that stopes them is " bad publicity " .

> >

> >

> > This is just few of my " war " stories. But the point is : even if you

> manipulate adults with your crazy ideas it is not right. but if you

> manipulate children soul or spirit or whatever you call it this is CRIMINAL!

> >

> > It is loooong mail , but I really get mad when I thing about children

> abuse....maybe because nobody helps or belive me and this is my way to fight

> back...:-)))

> >

> > Have a nice day!

> > Yenaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Memoir? :-) Maybe latter in my life , right now I'm working on 2 projects (

+ my work + kid + partner) But my friends allready said to me it would be a

hell of a story...:-))

Imagine a " vulcanic energy " ( descprition from my close ones) beeing raised

in completly crazy familly who later walked total messed up and without

any guidance around this world.....I'm lucky I survived and somehow became

" kind of normal " - I'm totaly sure something or somebody is quarding me very

strongly...:-))

I think that journalists should be the " watc dog " of society because

sometimes it is the only way to change things - even if the change is small.

But I think that anybody can make some change even if it is not journalist

or doesn't have some other " bigger " power. Every yourney starts with one

step they said...and every change can bi made with ( a lot of ) small

things. For yourself or for others.

Y.

2010/11/28 christine.depizan

>

>

> Yenaine,I also applaud you for using your journalism to expose child abuse

> and wrong doing.You are a credit to your profession.It's great that you

> tracked down that group and exposed them again after they tried changing

> their name.

>

> You have quite an extraordinary independence of mind and genuine

> integrity.It sounds like you have many interesting stories to share as well

> as much that you have learned from your own life.Maybe you should write a

> memoir? Someday?

>

> Again,much applause for your righteous journalism!

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Coal miner's doutter!

> > My nada has a period when she was obsessed with religion ( christian one)

> At that time I didn't take her seriously anymore so she didn't do some

> damage to me. In my home town I met a lot of " good christian " people. Bur

> when I looked closeley what they did or said - it was all just a farse. I

> was raised as christian but it didn't fit me. I had and still have my own

> faith - but it is hard to explain for me in English.

> >

> > But when I was at university ( I studied psychology at that time) " new

> age " hit my country. I was thrilled at the beginning with so many new

> perspectives of everything - live, love, living.......I explored all of

> them. Mediation, yoga, rebirthing, voice-dialog, channeling, walking on

> fire, tarot, reflexotherapy .......and I learn a lot. Without some of that

> knowledge I would probably won't be alive today ( or sane or successful) I

> still use some techniques .meditation for example.

> >

> > I met a lof of different people there. I met some beautiful people who

> teach and give and people who come and use some of the techniques and heal ,

> grow and go on with their life which was much better than before.

> > I met some people who are still going on the same workshops and after 20

> and more years they are the same or even worst. They use that just for

> excuse not to move, change or grow. I call them new age junkies.

> > I met some people who go to some seminars and declared themselves as

> therapist, or medium or teacher .....and they do a lot of damage and some

> crazy people who find themselves teachers or mediums even without learning

> anything.

> > I met also a lot of broken people used by so called " teachers " and some

> people who are completely destroyed or in mental hospitals now because of

> that.

> > Everything has a good and bad side ( and a lot of between)

> >

> > I was (sooner or latter) expeled allmost from every group:-))...because I

> can not be quiet and I allway speak if I see that something is not right.

> When I made some articles about some of the weirdos groups who did a lot of

> damage they even made rituals against me, call me a black which and similar

> bad new age names.

> >

> > But the most horrible thing for me was when I saw children used for crazy

> ideas other adults.

> >

> > One 11 years old girl her nada forced to channel. She abuse her with

> other things too ( with blessing of some teachers who where in the same

> group) When she was teenager she run away and became heroin addict. Together

> with my fried we tried to help her and she went to her father later and now

> she is a little better. But the damage was done and she is sill recovering

> >

> > I met 16 years old girl who started to live with a couple ( one was

> " teacher " other one was " medium " ) They tell her a lot of crazy things, how

> she is special......., they abuse her in many ways but the worst was

> spiritual abuse. She ended in mental hospital couple of times. They didn't

> help her , they just leave her there with some new age crap explanation why

> this must be. After many many years ( and few more abuses) she slowly

> recovered. Now she has her family and hopefully she won't have to go to

> hospital again.

> >

> > I met 2 girls - their father was in some sort of cult ( together with

> respectful people, some of them teachers too) The idea was that the children

> are too spoiled and they put them in some new age summer camp where they

> beat them very badly and sexually abuse them. Their father defend the group,

> their mother was " too scare " to do anything. The police found about them

> after wife of one of the leaders come to the police station all covered with

> bruises. They made an investigation and found out what happened to the

> children in this group ( not just in summer camps). I met this 2 girls few

> years later when everything comes to the court. (other childre wwere too

> scare to talk - they where 16 at that time) They where completely destroyed

> , nobody believes them, attorneys attacked them, father said that they

> lie....people around them didn' t believed them, they where thinking they

> are strange and that they are lying.

> >

> > I made an artilce about that and had a big fight with attorneys ( 4 of

> them wanted to sue me) with group (they attacked me badly) with the system (

> they made a lot of stupid things and I have a looooong talks with

> responsible authorities..) but things change. Not all and not completely but

> enough for girls not to be victims anymore and enough that people see who

> are the liers. The girls are fine now, they have their own family and they

> have at least a little justice.

> >

> > The same group change its name and go to schools to organize some events.

> I found them and made another article. And was attacked again. But I stooped

> them. And than one more time when thay sent their father to persuade them

> not to wittiness. The only things that stopes them is " bad publicity " .

> >

> >

> > This is just few of my " war " stories. But the point is : even if you

> manipulate adults with your crazy ideas it is not right. but if you

> manipulate children soul or spirit or whatever you call it this is CRIMINAL!

> >

> > It is loooong mail , but I really get mad when I thing about children

> abuse....maybe because nobody helps or belive me and this is my way to fight

> back...:-)))

> >

> > Have a nice day!

> > Yenaine

>

>

>