Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Tai, I'm a little uncomfortable with the content of your message. The fact that I believe that cheese is a healthy choice for my body doesn't mean that I agree with the other things you state I do. For example, I don't believe in using food as a reward for children or anyone else, fat or thin. I can share my nutritional beliefs if you are interested, though I generally avoid doing so on this list to avoid possibly triggering diet mentality in others. Legalizing foods does not mean abandoning our knowledge of the health of different foods in a permanent way. I know you said in another post that you were planning to borrow the original IE book. Check out the chapter on practicing gentle nutrition. The authors do a great job of explaining it. Best, Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Tai, I'm a little uncomfortable with the content of your message. The fact that I believe that cheese is a healthy choice for my body doesn't mean that I agree with the other things you state I do. For example, I don't believe in using food as a reward for children or anyone else, fat or thin. I can share my nutritional beliefs if you are interested, though I generally avoid doing so on this list to avoid possibly triggering diet mentality in others. Legalizing foods does not mean abandoning our knowledge of the health of different foods in a permanent way. I know you said in another post that you were planning to borrow the original IE book. Check out the chapter on practicing gentle nutrition. The authors do a great job of explaining it. Best, Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Tai, I'm a little uncomfortable with the content of your message. The fact that I believe that cheese is a healthy choice for my body doesn't mean that I agree with the other things you state I do. For example, I don't believe in using food as a reward for children or anyone else, fat or thin. I can share my nutritional beliefs if you are interested, though I generally avoid doing so on this list to avoid possibly triggering diet mentality in others. Legalizing foods does not mean abandoning our knowledge of the health of different foods in a permanent way. I know you said in another post that you were planning to borrow the original IE book. Check out the chapter on practicing gentle nutrition. The authors do a great job of explaining it. Best, Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being " self-inflicted. " What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is " good for you, " and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I " m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty. > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@> > > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! > > >> To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " < > > >> IntuitiveEating_Support > > > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much > > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having > > a > > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about > > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so > > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for > > me > > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very > > alluring, > > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it > > takes > > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being " self-inflicted. " What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is " good for you, " and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I " m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty. > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@> > > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! > > >> To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " < > > >> IntuitiveEating_Support > > > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much > > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having > > a > > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about > > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so > > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for > > me > > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very > > alluring, > > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it > > takes > > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being " self-inflicted. " What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is " good for you, " and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I " m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty. > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@> > > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! > > >> To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " < > > >> IntuitiveEating_Support > > > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much > > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having > > a > > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about > > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so > > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for > > me > > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very > > alluring, > > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it > > takes > > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 > I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes... I go further. I think it's important not to be judgemental. Period. The act of judging people becomes a terrible habit, always looking for what is bad. It leads to the habit of judging oneself; and I think everyone on this list knows where that leads. Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 > I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes... I go further. I think it's important not to be judgemental. Period. The act of judging people becomes a terrible habit, always looking for what is bad. It leads to the habit of judging oneself; and I think everyone on this list knows where that leads. Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 > I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes... I go further. I think it's important not to be judgemental. Period. The act of judging people becomes a terrible habit, always looking for what is bad. It leads to the habit of judging oneself; and I think everyone on this list knows where that leads. Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 My husband was diagnosed with diabetes. Ever since I met him, he loved to eat whatever "he" wanted. Steaks, hamburgers, french fries, bacon and when he learned about melted cheese on his fries, it was as if he entered a gate to paradise. Nothing I said changed him. Years went by as I watched him eat hamburgers with cheese, fries, steaks, lamb chops, NO VEGETABLES and lots of candy and ice cream. He is a very good man. Yet guess what happened? Diabetes. It got worse because he could not stop eating those foods. He had awful acid reflux. I KNEW INTUITIVELY it was his eating habits. No doctor had to tell me. He would sneak candy, he would buy bacon cheeseburgers, ice cream, candy every day on the outside. Scientific studies didn't have to tell me that the human body (his human body) was not responding well to all that fat and sugar over the years. He did not have diabetes as a child. He just wanted what he wanted. His sugar count got worse and worse until he was advised by his doctor to go to a nutritionist because the next step was injecting insulin. I think the needle scared him. I am happy to say that he has learned to introduce more vegetables into his diet, he has listened to the nutritionist, he is learning to eat what makes him happy but stay away from overloading his body at one time with greasy, fatty, and sugary foods. He has lost weight. I think it's for real this time. I hope so. I talk to him about making sure he is satisfied, I gently try to talk to him about IE, I never had the same problems as wanting to eat nothing but fatty foods and sweets for years and years, although potato chips were a big big problem for me for years. I no longer desire them as I did. I am not doing IE as a diet but as a way of life. If I want to eliminate saturated fat from my diet, that is my choice. If a person insists on their right to eat lots of saturated fats, that is their choice. I agree that it takes time to change. If IE was all about not changing, why bother? If my body reacts poorly to certain substances and I can't stop eating those things, that is certainly a factor to be reckoned with. It was because of IE and eating all the candy I wanted for about a year (of course I gained weight, of course I went to bed sick at night because it would lay on my stomach coming up to my mouth, but I DID IT willingly because of my experiment with IE) I learned that I really DIDN"T WANT ALL THAT CANDY. And so I stopped. I am not on a diet. I don't know if I will lose weight. But I made a choice recently, after eating lots and lots of cheese, to stop eating so much cheese because I don't think it's good for me. I don't think that's a problem, and I'm not judging anyone. The reaction I got was that some LOVE eating cheese. That's OK. I like cheese, too, that's why I ate so much of it for a while. Now I don't want to eat it much any more. But I think I will have that piece of pizza in the freezer cause I'm hungry, and it has cheese on it. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:56 PMSubject: Re: My choice I choose As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being "self-inflicted." What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is "good for you," and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I"m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty.> > >>> > >>> > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>> > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal!> > >> To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <> > >> IntuitiveEating_Support >> > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM> > >>> > >>> > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much> > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having> > a> > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about> > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so> > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for> > me> > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very> > alluring,> > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it> > takes> > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai> > >>> > >> ------------------------------> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Sorry if it offended you or anyone else. Perhaps I was offended borderline because people expressed their resentment over the fact that I merely said I want to cut down on my cheese intake. Give me a break. Be gentle with me. Why get all up in arms because I said I want to cut down on cheese? Like I say, if someone wants to eat loads of cheese, and don't believe the studies about cholesterol, go for it. My IE tells me that I don't want to eat lots of cheese. Tai To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:52 PMSubject: Re: My choice I choose Tai your post is borderline offensive on a few different levels. If seems like you are upset because others don't see cheese as a bad food and aren't as worried about cholesterol as you are. You have to understand and come to accept that each person if affected differently by things. I personally and not concerned about cholesterol at all. I'm good with cheese, all kinds and as much as I want. I eat leaner meats but not because I'm worried about cholesterol but because I dislike the greasy taste, feeling and texture of fatty meat. I'm not concerned about it because even though I am grossly obese and would be better off if I can release at least 100 pounds, my cholesterol is always perfect and my doctor says she wishes most of her patients had numbers so good. As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us. You, yourself, often struggle harder than many of us with this. So yes while diabetes in adults is most often a direct result of obesity most of us with T2D didn't self inflict it and in fact fought for years to stave it off. Of course it's ok for you to cut out any foods you want you can't issue a blanket edict about any food or condition and get upset if others have differing opinions. Maybe after you read the IE book you'll have a better understanding of legalizing foods and gentle nutrition and you may find a little more peace for yourself. Sunny Sent from my iPod I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is "good for you," and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I"m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty.> > >>> > >>> > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>> > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal!> > >> To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <> > >> IntuitiveEating_Support >> > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM> > >>> > >>> > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much> > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having> > a> > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about> > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so> > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for> > me> > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very> > alluring,> > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it> > takes> > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai> > >>> > >> ------------------------------> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Paddy, I couldn't agree with you more and it can be so easy to slip into a judgmental mode. Each of us is working through all of this in our own way. Sandy > I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes... I go further. I think it's important not to be judgemental. Period. The act of judging people becomes a terrible habit, always looking for what is bad. It leads to the habit of judging oneself; and I think everyone on this list knows where that leads. Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Paddy, I couldn't agree with you more and it can be so easy to slip into a judgmental mode. Each of us is working through all of this in our own way. Sandy > I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes... I go further. I think it's important not to be judgemental. Period. The act of judging people becomes a terrible habit, always looking for what is bad. It leads to the habit of judging oneself; and I think everyone on this list knows where that leads. Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Paddy, I couldn't agree with you more and it can be so easy to slip into a judgmental mode. Each of us is working through all of this in our own way. Sandy > I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes... I go further. I think it's important not to be judgemental. Period. The act of judging people becomes a terrible habit, always looking for what is bad. It leads to the habit of judging oneself; and I think everyone on this list knows where that leads. Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Tai, very well put. In the first phase of IE I ate lots of stuff I loved and had denied myself because they were " bad " for me. I no longer desire them so much but know I can have them if I want to. And I stopped eating most of them because they didn't honor my body. I have been " afraid " of diabetes but " fatty liver disease " was never mentioned to me by my doctor. I will see where that leads me. Hope your husband can learn more IE through your example. Sandy My husband was diagnosed with diabetes. Ever since I met him, he loved to eat whatever " he " wanted. Steaks, hamburgers, french fries, bacon and when he learned about melted cheese on his fries, it was as if he entered a gate to paradise. Nothing I said changed him. Years went by as I watched him eat hamburgers with cheese, fries, steaks, lamb chops, NO VEGETABLES and lots of candy and ice cream. He is a very good man. Yet guess what happened? Diabetes. It got worse because he could not stop eating those foods. He had awful acid reflux. I KNEW INTUITIVELY it was his eating habits. No doctor had to tell me. He would sneak candy, he would buy bacon cheeseburgers, ice cream, candy every day on the outside. Scientific studies didn't have to tell me that the human body (his human body) was not responding well to all that fat and sugar over the years. He did not have diabetes as a child. He just wanted what he wanted. His sugar count got worse and worse until he was advised by his doctor to go to a nutritionist because the next step was injecting insulin. I think the needle scared him. I am happy to say that he has learned to introduce more vegetables into his diet, he has listened to the nutritionist, he is learning to eat what makes him happy but stay away from overloading his body at one time with greasy, fatty, and sugary foods. He has lost weight. I think it's for real this time. I hope so. I talk to him about making sure he is satisfied, I gently try to talk to him about IE, I never had the same problems as wanting to eat nothing but fatty foods and sweets for years and years, although potato chips were a big big problem for me for years. I no longer desire them as I did. I am not doing IE as a diet but as a way of life. If I want to eliminate saturated fat from my diet, that is my choice. If a person insists on their right to eat lots of saturated fats, that is their choice. I agree that it takes time to change. If IE was all about not changing, why bother? If my body reacts poorly to certain substances and I can't stop eating those things, that is certainly a factor to be reckoned with. It was because of IE and eating all the candy I wanted for about a year (of course I gained weight, of course I went to bed sick at night because it would lay on my stomach coming up to my mouth, but I DID IT willingly because of my experiment with IE) I learned that I really DIDN " T WANT ALL THAT CANDY. And so I stopped. I am not on a diet. I don't know if I will lose weight. But I made a choice recently, after eating lots and lots of cheese, to stop eating so much cheese because I don't think it's good for me. I don't think that's a problem, and I'm not judging anyone. The reaction I got was that some LOVE eating cheese. That's OK. I like cheese, too, that's why I ate so much of it for a while. Now I don't want to eat it much any more. But I think I will have that piece of pizza in the freezer cause I'm hungry, and it has cheese on it. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: My choice I choose As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being " self-inflicted. " What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is " good for you, " and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I " m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty. > > >>> > >>> > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>> > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal!> > >> To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " < > > >> IntuitiveEating_Support > > > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM> > >>> > >>> > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much> > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having > > a> > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about> > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so> > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for > > me> > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very> > alluring,> > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it> > takes> > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai> > >>> > >> ------------------------------> > >>> > >> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Tai, very well put. In the first phase of IE I ate lots of stuff I loved and had denied myself because they were " bad " for me. I no longer desire them so much but know I can have them if I want to. And I stopped eating most of them because they didn't honor my body. I have been " afraid " of diabetes but " fatty liver disease " was never mentioned to me by my doctor. I will see where that leads me. Hope your husband can learn more IE through your example. Sandy My husband was diagnosed with diabetes. Ever since I met him, he loved to eat whatever " he " wanted. Steaks, hamburgers, french fries, bacon and when he learned about melted cheese on his fries, it was as if he entered a gate to paradise. Nothing I said changed him. Years went by as I watched him eat hamburgers with cheese, fries, steaks, lamb chops, NO VEGETABLES and lots of candy and ice cream. He is a very good man. Yet guess what happened? Diabetes. It got worse because he could not stop eating those foods. He had awful acid reflux. I KNEW INTUITIVELY it was his eating habits. No doctor had to tell me. He would sneak candy, he would buy bacon cheeseburgers, ice cream, candy every day on the outside. Scientific studies didn't have to tell me that the human body (his human body) was not responding well to all that fat and sugar over the years. He did not have diabetes as a child. He just wanted what he wanted. His sugar count got worse and worse until he was advised by his doctor to go to a nutritionist because the next step was injecting insulin. I think the needle scared him. I am happy to say that he has learned to introduce more vegetables into his diet, he has listened to the nutritionist, he is learning to eat what makes him happy but stay away from overloading his body at one time with greasy, fatty, and sugary foods. He has lost weight. I think it's for real this time. I hope so. I talk to him about making sure he is satisfied, I gently try to talk to him about IE, I never had the same problems as wanting to eat nothing but fatty foods and sweets for years and years, although potato chips were a big big problem for me for years. I no longer desire them as I did. I am not doing IE as a diet but as a way of life. If I want to eliminate saturated fat from my diet, that is my choice. If a person insists on their right to eat lots of saturated fats, that is their choice. I agree that it takes time to change. If IE was all about not changing, why bother? If my body reacts poorly to certain substances and I can't stop eating those things, that is certainly a factor to be reckoned with. It was because of IE and eating all the candy I wanted for about a year (of course I gained weight, of course I went to bed sick at night because it would lay on my stomach coming up to my mouth, but I DID IT willingly because of my experiment with IE) I learned that I really DIDN " T WANT ALL THAT CANDY. And so I stopped. I am not on a diet. I don't know if I will lose weight. But I made a choice recently, after eating lots and lots of cheese, to stop eating so much cheese because I don't think it's good for me. I don't think that's a problem, and I'm not judging anyone. The reaction I got was that some LOVE eating cheese. That's OK. I like cheese, too, that's why I ate so much of it for a while. Now I don't want to eat it much any more. But I think I will have that piece of pizza in the freezer cause I'm hungry, and it has cheese on it. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: My choice I choose As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being " self-inflicted. " What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is " good for you, " and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I " m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty. > > >>> > >>> > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>> > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal!> > >> To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " < > > >> IntuitiveEating_Support > > > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM> > >>> > >>> > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much> > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having > > a> > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about> > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so> > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for > > me> > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very> > alluring,> > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it> > takes> > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai> > >>> > >> ------------------------------> > >>> > >> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Tai, very well put. In the first phase of IE I ate lots of stuff I loved and had denied myself because they were " bad " for me. I no longer desire them so much but know I can have them if I want to. And I stopped eating most of them because they didn't honor my body. I have been " afraid " of diabetes but " fatty liver disease " was never mentioned to me by my doctor. I will see where that leads me. Hope your husband can learn more IE through your example. Sandy My husband was diagnosed with diabetes. Ever since I met him, he loved to eat whatever " he " wanted. Steaks, hamburgers, french fries, bacon and when he learned about melted cheese on his fries, it was as if he entered a gate to paradise. Nothing I said changed him. Years went by as I watched him eat hamburgers with cheese, fries, steaks, lamb chops, NO VEGETABLES and lots of candy and ice cream. He is a very good man. Yet guess what happened? Diabetes. It got worse because he could not stop eating those foods. He had awful acid reflux. I KNEW INTUITIVELY it was his eating habits. No doctor had to tell me. He would sneak candy, he would buy bacon cheeseburgers, ice cream, candy every day on the outside. Scientific studies didn't have to tell me that the human body (his human body) was not responding well to all that fat and sugar over the years. He did not have diabetes as a child. He just wanted what he wanted. His sugar count got worse and worse until he was advised by his doctor to go to a nutritionist because the next step was injecting insulin. I think the needle scared him. I am happy to say that he has learned to introduce more vegetables into his diet, he has listened to the nutritionist, he is learning to eat what makes him happy but stay away from overloading his body at one time with greasy, fatty, and sugary foods. He has lost weight. I think it's for real this time. I hope so. I talk to him about making sure he is satisfied, I gently try to talk to him about IE, I never had the same problems as wanting to eat nothing but fatty foods and sweets for years and years, although potato chips were a big big problem for me for years. I no longer desire them as I did. I am not doing IE as a diet but as a way of life. If I want to eliminate saturated fat from my diet, that is my choice. If a person insists on their right to eat lots of saturated fats, that is their choice. I agree that it takes time to change. If IE was all about not changing, why bother? If my body reacts poorly to certain substances and I can't stop eating those things, that is certainly a factor to be reckoned with. It was because of IE and eating all the candy I wanted for about a year (of course I gained weight, of course I went to bed sick at night because it would lay on my stomach coming up to my mouth, but I DID IT willingly because of my experiment with IE) I learned that I really DIDN " T WANT ALL THAT CANDY. And so I stopped. I am not on a diet. I don't know if I will lose weight. But I made a choice recently, after eating lots and lots of cheese, to stop eating so much cheese because I don't think it's good for me. I don't think that's a problem, and I'm not judging anyone. The reaction I got was that some LOVE eating cheese. That's OK. I like cheese, too, that's why I ate so much of it for a while. Now I don't want to eat it much any more. But I think I will have that piece of pizza in the freezer cause I'm hungry, and it has cheese on it. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: My choice I choose As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being " self-inflicted. " What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is " good for you, " and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I " m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty. > > >>> > >>> > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>> > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal!> > >> To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " < > > >> IntuitiveEating_Support > > > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM> > >>> > >>> > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much> > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having > > a> > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about> > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so> > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for > > me> > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very> > alluring,> > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it> > takes> > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai> > >>> > >> ------------------------------> > >>> > >> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I find your tone quite punative. You don't need to defend your choice to cut down on cheese, but your criticisms of other people's choices is offensive. I believe in nutrition; I don't believe in an all-day junk-food fest (and yes, I do think there are food items that are low in nutritional content and can be labeled as "junk" for the most part). But, and here is the thing I learned through IE, restriction does NOT work. Restricting and demonizing food has not worked in the past for most of us, so why would long discussions on cholesterol do that now? Some people can eat cheese and have low cholesterol. Maybe you can't, but that's specific to you. You don't have to feel threatened that someone else has a different body type and nutritional needs. Maybe the mother who feeds her children junk food has her own reasons for doing so. I ate junk food growing up (all I wanted) and was a stick. Also, my mother has diebetes and her doctor has told her to never restrict the sugery stuff. Why? Because restriction causes binges. My mom honors her body by eating low sugar because it makes her feel good. But when she wants something sugery, she goes ahead and has it. After nearly 30 years as a diabetic (severe -- she does not produce any insulin naturally), she has had no complications whatsoever. So, eat what you want and let others eat what they want. Mimi Subject: My choice I chooseTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 6:28 AM I'm not against cheese, I'll have it now but in smaller doses. I feel I was eating too much cheese and so I stopped that. But I know a mother who has a few children; and when she comes home her reward or gift to those children is a nice bag of cookies for each child. Two children are very fat, yet they love those cookies! She will buy them fast food burgers and fries as a treat as well very often. They have bags of potato chips around them at their disposal as well. Would you say these items are nutritious? The kids love them; they are not on a diet, they are not told by their mom to stay away them, in fact, she feeds them these things as if they were the greatest foods on the earth. Sorry, folks, if you want to eat lots of cheese despite knowing the cholesterol it contains, that's your choice. Go for it. If you don't want to believe that eating certain foods like vegetables and fruits is "good for you," and believe that a steady intake of fast food burgers with cheese and fries and bacon is OK, believe what you want. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy vegetables and fruits, keep using my choices, and I choose to stay away from fries and burgers at a fast food place covered with melted cheese for the most part. I love IE, but I"m not giving up my thinking ability. I was at the health food store yesterday because I wanted a particular item (yes, folks, chicken bouillion without MSG, another additive in foods I try to refrain from), and I saw a flavor of potato chips that I kind of wanted to try. hmmm I was so tempted ... for less than 2 minutes. I even went back to look at them, thinking maybe maybe I'll buy them, haven't had a bag of potato chips in years. But then I realized it was a big bag and I MIGHT NOT enjoy the new flavor, I really didn't enjoy my previously addictive highly processed food and the thought of all those additives and saturated fat in those chips made me willingly reject them. Now when the doctor tells you that you have diabetes, do you continue eating all the sugary products you want? Some do and they may have to suffer the consequences of the disease, which in most cases of adults is self inflicted. As I said, if a person wants to believe it's OK to eat all the sugar and cholesterol they want, who am I to stop them? But I will eat cheese from time to time, just not as much as I used to because yes, I don't think it's good for me. Now if you want to think that all the cholesterol-laden foods are ok for you, I am not your food policewoman. But I am knocking off so much cheese, just like I stopped eating potato chips in large quantity. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:47 PMSubject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal! I agree completely; this is all Big Pharma making billions more dollars a year selling statins. Same with lowering the #'s for blood pressure a few years back; made them even more billions and the pharmaceutical companies are on the boards that set the standards of care in medicine. Nasty.> > >>> > >>> > >> From: Tailyn Grey <tailyngrey@>> > >> Subject: Re: I Am Not a Garbage Disposal!> > >> To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <> > >> IntuitiveEating_Support >> > >> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:31 AM> > >>> > >>> > >> Jane, good going! You were able to stop. I am curious, though. How much> > >> food did you eat when you realized you were no longer hungry? I am having> > a> > >> real problem with that. I am revising my thoughts and feelings about> > >> certain kinds of foods, trying to move away from cheese because it is so> > >> high in cholesterol anyway, even though it is such a luxurious food for> > me> > >> to eat. The idea of something dripping with cheese is still very> > alluring,> > >> but I am working on getting off cheese. Do you notice how much food it> > takes> > >> to get you unhungry? (Anybody ...) Tai> > >>> > >> ------------------------------> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 , Thank you for this. Disease is such a complicated thing, it is just simplistic to assume that anything is really "self-inflicted." In my family, my mother developed type 2 diabetes at age 39. She was 5'4" and 100 pounds. I had aggressive breast cancer at age 34. Had I been obese, my "lifestyle choices" would have been blamed. Since I was not overweight and active, my doctor said "environmental causes." So, who really knows? I do know, however, that demonizing food doesn't do anything for my health. Mimi Subject: Re: My choice I chooseTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 3:56 PM As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being "self-inflicted." What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 , Thank you for this. Disease is such a complicated thing, it is just simplistic to assume that anything is really "self-inflicted." In my family, my mother developed type 2 diabetes at age 39. She was 5'4" and 100 pounds. I had aggressive breast cancer at age 34. Had I been obese, my "lifestyle choices" would have been blamed. Since I was not overweight and active, my doctor said "environmental causes." So, who really knows? I do know, however, that demonizing food doesn't do anything for my health. Mimi Subject: Re: My choice I chooseTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 3:56 PM As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being "self-inflicted." What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 , Thank you for this. Disease is such a complicated thing, it is just simplistic to assume that anything is really "self-inflicted." In my family, my mother developed type 2 diabetes at age 39. She was 5'4" and 100 pounds. I had aggressive breast cancer at age 34. Had I been obese, my "lifestyle choices" would have been blamed. Since I was not overweight and active, my doctor said "environmental causes." So, who really knows? I do know, however, that demonizing food doesn't do anything for my health. Mimi Subject: Re: My choice I chooseTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 3:56 PM As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being "self-inflicted." What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 The term 'self-inflicted' is not a term I would use. That is a misrepresentation of what I said. BUT -- yes -- people CAN bring it on. SOME people can bring it on by improper eating. And some people evidently are predisposed to it. Studies, believe it or not, are now suggesting that women can predispose their children to obesity by their eating habits while they were pregnant and as they feed them. Period. Made me think of my mother and how I grew up with smoke coming in my nostrils all during my young years. I didn't say anyone "brings it on themselves," but -- I do know my husband certainly did that by his choices. He was addicted, couldn't stop, and diabetes was never in his family. He did not, I am sure, want to "bring it on" himself, but he did finally, before he had to shoot up with insulin, agree to see a nutritionist who told him, and get this -- he can eat ANYTHING HE WANTS as long as he does so in a formula type fashion. He is happy thinking he can eat sugary products, just not all at once. I don't try to stop him or say anything now that I know he is changing. Sometimes I ask him if he's had enough to eat and sometimes he says no, he's still hungry and I talk to him about IE, but that's his choice to be hungry. He doesn't say he's hungry all the time. Yes, I guess living with an uncontrolled eater (as I was) is like living with an alcoholic. You cannot change them, and it probably is fruitless to try. My mother tried to stop me from eating so much; it did not work. Diets didn't work. I ate less, I lost weight, but of course, I gained it back. IE makes the most sense to me, and I will continue with it using my OWN wisdom and -- intuition. My hubby did not have diabetes until he was in his middle age. It didn't come from the air or the environment. It came from his eating habits. There is no doubt about that, because his sugar is GOING DOWN as he continues to moderate himself. He goes in baby steps and I am VERY PROUD of him. He loves bagels but now asked me for the garlic rolls I brought home from the Italian restaurant when *I* didn't want them, but knew he loved them. He told me that he can eat fewer garlic rolls because they're smaller than the bagels he is used to. I spoke to him about the possibility that the garlic rolls will contain more oil than the bagels, but he continued telling me his sugar went down today after he ate the roll instead of the bagel. So -- I'll get him the garlic rolls. IF he didn't tell me he is going to substitute the roll for the bagel I would never have asked him any question about it. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:33 PMSubject: Re: My choice I choose , Thank you for this. Disease is such a complicated thing, it is just simplistic to assume that anything is really "self-inflicted." In my family, my mother developed type 2 diabetes at age 39. She was 5'4" and 100 pounds. I had aggressive breast cancer at age 34. Had I been obese, my "lifestyle choices" would have been blamed. Since I was not overweight and active, my doctor said "environmental causes." So, who really knows? I do know, however, that demonizing food doesn't do anything for my health. Mimi Subject: Re: My choice I chooseTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 3:56 PM As for diabetes being self inflicted by adults I'm a little surprised you would say that when you know first hand how hard most of us have tried to control our weight for most of our lives and how futile our efforts have been which is why we came to IE. And you know how hard we are all trying to figure out what will work for each of us.>> I wanted to weigh in (no pun intended :-)) on this thought about diabetes. While obesity can certainly be a factor in Type 2 Diabetes, it is not the only factor. If someone does not have the genetic predisposition toward diabetes, they are unlikely to get the disease, regardless of their weight. On another level, I often cringe when I hear about a disease being "self-inflicted." What difference does it make? For decades, there was little compassion for HIV/AIDS because it was seen as a disease that was self inflicted. Nobody cared because of this. Our choices impact many diseases. For example, if you choose to smoke, you know your lung cancer risk may be higher. If you opt to not exercise, you know your risk for cardiac disease is higher. Etc. But, ultimately, it doesn't change anything. Disease is disease, and it's something everybody has to deal with. While it's good to understand our genetic profiles and try to avoid certain diseases for which we're at high risk, the fact is it's impossible to do so all the time. I think it's important to not be judgmental about disease processes because they're seen as self inflicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I am a vegan who believes added oil, sugar, and processed foods have made me gain weight. I have science that I believe in to back it up, but I also totally believe in everyone's right to choose their diet. I eat intuitively foods that I feel honor my body and the earth. My husband *loves* cheese. That is fine by me. I worry it will affect his body negatively, but I have also seen my very overweight grandfather eat it all his life, so much so that he got cheese as presents at christmas! He died of natural causes at 90 with no evidence of heart disease or cancer. I know I follow a restricted eating style that many here will feel isn't intuitive eating, but I eat the things I feel are best for me in the quantities I want, and I feel I must afford that same right to others whether it is cheese or whole milk, or anything I would never want to eat. If you feel good about it then who am I to object. AliaTai your post is borderline offensive on a few different levels. If seems like you are upset because others don't see cheese as a bad food and aren't as worried about cholesterol as you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I am a vegan who believes added oil, sugar, and processed foods have made me gain weight. I have science that I believe in to back it up, but I also totally believe in everyone's right to choose their diet. I eat intuitively foods that I feel honor my body and the earth. My husband *loves* cheese. That is fine by me. I worry it will affect his body negatively, but I have also seen my very overweight grandfather eat it all his life, so much so that he got cheese as presents at christmas! He died of natural causes at 90 with no evidence of heart disease or cancer. I know I follow a restricted eating style that many here will feel isn't intuitive eating, but I eat the things I feel are best for me in the quantities I want, and I feel I must afford that same right to others whether it is cheese or whole milk, or anything I would never want to eat. If you feel good about it then who am I to object. AliaTai your post is borderline offensive on a few different levels. If seems like you are upset because others don't see cheese as a bad food and aren't as worried about cholesterol as you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Sorry if the following offends anyone. Most of us are here because we have lost control over food and the natural response in our bodies. We have done that because of circumstances, whether started when young or older. Older would be something we introduce to ourselves due to emotions, or circumstances we could not handle well. I know that for the most part, restriction does not work for me. I have learned not to " demonize " food. I gave my reasons for not wanting to eat so much cheese, that is my personal decision, and yes, I backed up the reason why I believe cheese is not my friend in overabundance. I still eat some cheese, just not in superabundance. I don't think anyone should eat cheese in superabundance, but neither do I think they should eat fatty hamburgers in abundance either. But that's my thinking, others think they should eat these substances in abundance. I don't think parents should feed their children a superabundance of those foods, yet many think they are " stewards " of the earth, etc., but think maybe they can feed lots of junk food to their own children. I am not threatened that someone else has different nutritional needs or values, we will see how it all works out. I hope everybody is well and those who feel their bodies are telling them eat lots of things I don't want to eat, will be fine and in good health. A mother who feeds her children junk food on a consistent basis as a mainstay is not doing her children a favor IMO. Maybe there are reasons she gives them a steady diet of junk food. We all have reasons to overeat. That is what we're learning to overcome. We're learning to overcome false reasoning, poor reasoning. Of course that is my opinion, obviously not all would agree with that or take offense. I'm sorry about that Each one is different. If some children remain thin while being confronted with loads of junk food given by their parents, so be it. The amount of junk food one eats might make the difference between being healthy and not healthy for some. Also activity. Most diabetics are taught now that they can eat sugar, but in moderation. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but that is my decision. I believe many people who are not naturally " intuitive eaters " need to be reeducated, just as IE is doing for those taking advantage of the teachings of the promoters of IE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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