Re: The Experts Disagree - As Usual - Haagan Dazs Follow up

[Guest guest]

I AGREEEEEEE... ! " Somewhere there's a sane middle path and over-focussing on

food isn't it - for me. " We will all find our way. It may not be easy, and road

will have its bumps. I am so glad that you're all here to help pick me up when I

trip over a bump in the road.

>

> Finding one's intuition in the midst of a lot of expert advice is complex...

When I did Overcoming Overeating years back, their emphasis was all about

legalizing and packing the cupboards full so that you'd get past the fear of

going without. So for the past ten years when I wasn't dieting, I was back to

legalizing (i.e., bingeing) on every new food temptation I discovered.

>

> Somewhere there's a sane middle path and over-focussing on food isn't it - for

me. Over the years I found there is no end of foods to which I can become

addicted and overeat in the name of " legalizing " . That mind set wasted a lot of

years for me.

>

> Geneen Roth said something about the potential to use " legalizing " as

permission to binge and the need to get honest with one's self about this IE

process. That woke me up about what I'd been doing. I'd been lying to myself -

unwilling to face that there would always be food I'd want to over eat on, if

that's all I wanted to do. Then I had to step back and ask, " what do I really

want from this IE process? " so that I could re-gear and get honest with myself.

>

> I so agree with what someone wrote here about not wanting to create power

struggles around tempting food - so I won't store a bunch of it at home or at

work because I'm still in a wobbly state with being mindful and truthful about

what I'm eating and why I'm eating it. I see no point in stocking enough to go

on an endless binge if I'm not past that stage in my recovery.

>

> The benefit about last night's dinner (Haagan Dazs) was I kept enough of my IE

equilibrium to allow myself to go where I was going anyway rather than fight it.

Now, upon reflection this morning, rather than being filled with self hate

and/or self pity - I am thinking about the story driving my response to my boss

yesterday. I have some new insights that I can work with. They probably won't

be cure alls, but who knows - at least I'm out of my victim story with myself

about the incident.

>

> So... Haagan Dazs will never go away... filling my freezer with it would have

only fostered me eating four pints last night rather than one. This morning I

can do some reflection around this whole fiasco yesterday rather than get my

spoon and pull up a chair in front of the refrigerator because of guilt and

self-hate.

>

> I wasn't bad, this wasn't a " slip " , it was a chance to look at the way I've

lived for a long time. Today I will endeavor to get mindful and present enough

to myself to eat in a way that nourishes my body and my soul in the process.

Writing this helps and I hope that it helps others too.

>

> To new beginnings - every day.

>

[Guest guest]

I can very much relate to your struggles to get 'normal' eating back into your

life. I initially read and wanted so much to do as Geenen Roth did for food &

eating in her life. But I just could not use 'her' ways! I too turned her

thoughts into 'permission to eat', without being able to balance that with

mindfulness of satisfaction.

Oddly enough, legalizing like Overcoming Overeating suggested did work for me. I

truly had to prove to and for myself that all those fears I had related to

'forbidden foods' were within ME and I wasn't a failure if I couldn't 'master'

(aka control) them. I did eat and re-stock ample amounts because when I did

think of whatever I was legalizing as disappearing, last supper eating would

kick in for that food! Not having an 'end' (of supply) helped me to get to where

that item was only food, and one I could eat when I wanted it. I do have short

YUM! times with this and other foods but they quickly run their course for me.

I've come to find that when I haven't had a food for a while, it can be

seductive initially but doesn't take long to lose its allure. I find this is

quite normal when it comes to seasonal foods and, again, those items that I had

not eaten for a while (lost interest returns).

Finding your way is exactly what an IE journey is all about. Its YOUR way and no

one else's! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Finding one's intuition in the midst of a lot of expert advice is complex...

When I did Overcoming Overeating years back, their emphasis was all about

legalizing and packing the cupboards full so that you'd get past the fear of

going without. So for the past ten years when I wasn't dieting, I was back to

legalizing (i.e., bingeing) on every new food temptation I discovered.

>

> Somewhere there's a sane middle path and over-focussing on food isn't it - for

me. Over the years I found there is no end of foods to which I can become

addicted and overeat in the name of " legalizing " . That mind set wasted a lot of

years for me.

>

> Geneen Roth said something about the potential to use " legalizing " as

permission to binge and the need to get honest with one's self about this IE

process. That woke me up about what I'd been doing. I'd been lying to myself -

unwilling to face that there would always be food I'd want to over eat on, if

that's all I wanted to do. Then I had to step back and ask, " what do I really

want from this IE process? " so that I could re-gear and get honest with myself.

>

> I so agree with what someone wrote here about not wanting to create power

struggles around tempting food - so I won't store a bunch of it at home or at

work because I'm still in a wobbly state with being mindful and truthful about

what I'm eating and why I'm eating it. I see no point in stocking enough to go

on an endless binge if I'm not past that stage in my recovery.

>

> The benefit about last night's dinner (Haagan Dazs) was I kept enough of my IE

equilibrium to allow myself to go where I was going anyway rather than fight it.

Now, upon reflection this morning, rather than being filled with self hate

and/or self pity - I am thinking about the story driving my response to my boss

yesterday. I have some new insights that I can work with. They probably won't

be cure alls, but who knows - at least I'm out of my victim story with myself

about the incident.

>

> So... Haagan Dazs will never go away... filling my freezer with it would have

only fostered me eating four pints last night rather than one. This morning I

can do some reflection around this whole fiasco yesterday rather than get my

spoon and pull up a chair in front of the refrigerator because of guilt and

self-hate.

>

> I wasn't bad, this wasn't a " slip " , it was a chance to look at the way I've

lived for a long time. Today I will endeavor to get mindful and present enough

to myself to eat in a way that nourishes my body and my soul in the process.

Writing this helps and I hope that it helps others too.

>

> To new beginnings - every day.

>

[Guest guest]

I like the expression "lost interest" in. After I greatly (grossly) indulged in various particular foods, I "lost interest' in most of them. Now I don't even want them, desire them, or think I would enjoy mindlessly chomping on them. Today, though, I had minor victory. We ate out and I ordered kind of what I wanted, but i didn't eat everything because I did not want to. However, I was satisfied. And because i have so much food at home, I decided not to take any of the good tasting leftovers home with me. At least I"m thinking. TaiFrom:

jain_daugh To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PMSubject: Re: The Experts Disagree - As Usual - Haagan Dazs Follow up

I can very much relate to your struggles to get 'normal' eating back into your life. I initially read and wanted so much to do as Geenen Roth did for food & eating in her life. But I just could not use 'her' ways! I too turned her thoughts into 'permission to eat', without being able to balance that with mindfulness of satisfaction.

Oddly enough, legalizing like Overcoming Overeating suggested did work for me. I truly had to prove to and for myself that all those fears I had related to 'forbidden foods' were within ME and I wasn't a failure if I couldn't 'master' (aka control) them. I did eat and re-stock ample amounts because when I did think of whatever I was legalizing as disappearing, last supper eating would kick in for that food! Not having an 'end' (of supply) helped me to get to where that item was only food, and one I could eat when I wanted it. I do have short YUM! times with this and other foods but they quickly run their course for me. I've come to find that when I haven't had a food for a while, it can be seductive initially but doesn't take long to lose its allure. I find this is quite normal when it comes to seasonal foods and, again, those items that I had not eaten for a while (lost interest returns).

Finding your way is exactly what an IE journey is all about. Its YOUR way and no one else's! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Finding one's intuition in the midst of a lot of expert advice is complex... When I did Overcoming Overeating years back, their emphasis was all about legalizing and packing the cupboards full so that you'd get past the fear of going without. So for the past ten years when I wasn't dieting, I was back to legalizing (i.e., bingeing) on every new food temptation I discovered.

>

> Somewhere there's a sane middle path and over-focussing on food isn't it - for me. Over the years I found there is no end of foods to which I can become addicted and overeat in the name of "legalizing". That mind set wasted a lot of years for me.

>

> Geneen Roth said something about the potential to use "legalizing" as permission to binge and the need to get honest with one's self about this IE process. That woke me up about what I'd been doing. I'd been lying to myself - unwilling to face that there would always be food I'd want to over eat on, if that's all I wanted to do. Then I had to step back and ask, "what do I really want from this IE process?" so that I could re-gear and get honest with myself.

>

> I so agree with what someone wrote here about not wanting to create power struggles around tempting food - so I won't store a bunch of it at home or at work because I'm still in a wobbly state with being mindful and truthful about what I'm eating and why I'm eating it. I see no point in stocking enough to go on an endless binge if I'm not past that stage in my recovery.

>

> The benefit about last night's dinner (Haagan Dazs) was I kept enough of my IE equilibrium to allow myself to go where I was going anyway rather than fight it. Now, upon reflection this morning, rather than being filled with self hate and/or self pity - I am thinking about the story driving my response to my boss yesterday. I have some new insights that I can work with. They probably won't be cure alls, but who knows - at least I'm out of my victim story with myself about the incident.

>

> So... Haagan Dazs will never go away... filling my freezer with it would have only fostered me eating four pints last night rather than one. This morning I can do some reflection around this whole fiasco yesterday rather than get my spoon and pull up a chair in front of the refrigerator because of guilt and self-hate.

>

> I wasn't bad, this wasn't a "slip", it was a chance to look at the way I've lived for a long time. Today I will endeavor to get mindful and present enough to myself to eat in a way that nourishes my body and my soul in the process. Writing this helps and I hope that it helps others too.

>

> To new beginnings - every day.

>

[Guest guest]

I like the expression "lost interest" in. After I greatly (grossly) indulged in various particular foods, I "lost interest' in most of them. Now I don't even want them, desire them, or think I would enjoy mindlessly chomping on them. Today, though, I had minor victory. We ate out and I ordered kind of what I wanted, but i didn't eat everything because I did not want to. However, I was satisfied. And because i have so much food at home, I decided not to take any of the good tasting leftovers home with me. At least I"m thinking. TaiFrom:

jain_daugh To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PMSubject: Re: The Experts Disagree - As Usual - Haagan Dazs Follow up

I can very much relate to your struggles to get 'normal' eating back into your life. I initially read and wanted so much to do as Geenen Roth did for food & eating in her life. But I just could not use 'her' ways! I too turned her thoughts into 'permission to eat', without being able to balance that with mindfulness of satisfaction.

Oddly enough, legalizing like Overcoming Overeating suggested did work for me. I truly had to prove to and for myself that all those fears I had related to 'forbidden foods' were within ME and I wasn't a failure if I couldn't 'master' (aka control) them. I did eat and re-stock ample amounts because when I did think of whatever I was legalizing as disappearing, last supper eating would kick in for that food! Not having an 'end' (of supply) helped me to get to where that item was only food, and one I could eat when I wanted it. I do have short YUM! times with this and other foods but they quickly run their course for me. I've come to find that when I haven't had a food for a while, it can be seductive initially but doesn't take long to lose its allure. I find this is quite normal when it comes to seasonal foods and, again, those items that I had not eaten for a while (lost interest returns).

Finding your way is exactly what an IE journey is all about. Its YOUR way and no one else's! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Finding one's intuition in the midst of a lot of expert advice is complex... When I did Overcoming Overeating years back, their emphasis was all about legalizing and packing the cupboards full so that you'd get past the fear of going without. So for the past ten years when I wasn't dieting, I was back to legalizing (i.e., bingeing) on every new food temptation I discovered.

>

> Somewhere there's a sane middle path and over-focussing on food isn't it - for me. Over the years I found there is no end of foods to which I can become addicted and overeat in the name of "legalizing". That mind set wasted a lot of years for me.

>

> Geneen Roth said something about the potential to use "legalizing" as permission to binge and the need to get honest with one's self about this IE process. That woke me up about what I'd been doing. I'd been lying to myself - unwilling to face that there would always be food I'd want to over eat on, if that's all I wanted to do. Then I had to step back and ask, "what do I really want from this IE process?" so that I could re-gear and get honest with myself.

>

> I so agree with what someone wrote here about not wanting to create power struggles around tempting food - so I won't store a bunch of it at home or at work because I'm still in a wobbly state with being mindful and truthful about what I'm eating and why I'm eating it. I see no point in stocking enough to go on an endless binge if I'm not past that stage in my recovery.

>

> The benefit about last night's dinner (Haagan Dazs) was I kept enough of my IE equilibrium to allow myself to go where I was going anyway rather than fight it. Now, upon reflection this morning, rather than being filled with self hate and/or self pity - I am thinking about the story driving my response to my boss yesterday. I have some new insights that I can work with. They probably won't be cure alls, but who knows - at least I'm out of my victim story with myself about the incident.

>

> So... Haagan Dazs will never go away... filling my freezer with it would have only fostered me eating four pints last night rather than one. This morning I can do some reflection around this whole fiasco yesterday rather than get my spoon and pull up a chair in front of the refrigerator because of guilt and self-hate.

>

> I wasn't bad, this wasn't a "slip", it was a chance to look at the way I've lived for a long time. Today I will endeavor to get mindful and present enough to myself to eat in a way that nourishes my body and my soul in the process. Writing this helps and I hope that it helps others too.

>

> To new beginnings - every day.

>

[Guest guest]

I like the expression "lost interest" in. After I greatly (grossly) indulged in various particular foods, I "lost interest' in most of them. Now I don't even want them, desire them, or think I would enjoy mindlessly chomping on them. Today, though, I had minor victory. We ate out and I ordered kind of what I wanted, but i didn't eat everything because I did not want to. However, I was satisfied. And because i have so much food at home, I decided not to take any of the good tasting leftovers home with me. At least I"m thinking. TaiFrom:

jain_daugh To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PMSubject: Re: The Experts Disagree - As Usual - Haagan Dazs Follow up

I can very much relate to your struggles to get 'normal' eating back into your life. I initially read and wanted so much to do as Geenen Roth did for food & eating in her life. But I just could not use 'her' ways! I too turned her thoughts into 'permission to eat', without being able to balance that with mindfulness of satisfaction.

Oddly enough, legalizing like Overcoming Overeating suggested did work for me. I truly had to prove to and for myself that all those fears I had related to 'forbidden foods' were within ME and I wasn't a failure if I couldn't 'master' (aka control) them. I did eat and re-stock ample amounts because when I did think of whatever I was legalizing as disappearing, last supper eating would kick in for that food! Not having an 'end' (of supply) helped me to get to where that item was only food, and one I could eat when I wanted it. I do have short YUM! times with this and other foods but they quickly run their course for me. I've come to find that when I haven't had a food for a while, it can be seductive initially but doesn't take long to lose its allure. I find this is quite normal when it comes to seasonal foods and, again, those items that I had not eaten for a while (lost interest returns).

Finding your way is exactly what an IE journey is all about. Its YOUR way and no one else's! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Finding one's intuition in the midst of a lot of expert advice is complex... When I did Overcoming Overeating years back, their emphasis was all about legalizing and packing the cupboards full so that you'd get past the fear of going without. So for the past ten years when I wasn't dieting, I was back to legalizing (i.e., bingeing) on every new food temptation I discovered.

>

> Somewhere there's a sane middle path and over-focussing on food isn't it - for me. Over the years I found there is no end of foods to which I can become addicted and overeat in the name of "legalizing". That mind set wasted a lot of years for me.

>

> Geneen Roth said something about the potential to use "legalizing" as permission to binge and the need to get honest with one's self about this IE process. That woke me up about what I'd been doing. I'd been lying to myself - unwilling to face that there would always be food I'd want to over eat on, if that's all I wanted to do. Then I had to step back and ask, "what do I really want from this IE process?" so that I could re-gear and get honest with myself.

>

> I so agree with what someone wrote here about not wanting to create power struggles around tempting food - so I won't store a bunch of it at home or at work because I'm still in a wobbly state with being mindful and truthful about what I'm eating and why I'm eating it. I see no point in stocking enough to go on an endless binge if I'm not past that stage in my recovery.

>

> The benefit about last night's dinner (Haagan Dazs) was I kept enough of my IE equilibrium to allow myself to go where I was going anyway rather than fight it. Now, upon reflection this morning, rather than being filled with self hate and/or self pity - I am thinking about the story driving my response to my boss yesterday. I have some new insights that I can work with. They probably won't be cure alls, but who knows - at least I'm out of my victim story with myself about the incident.

>

> So... Haagan Dazs will never go away... filling my freezer with it would have only fostered me eating four pints last night rather than one. This morning I can do some reflection around this whole fiasco yesterday rather than get my spoon and pull up a chair in front of the refrigerator because of guilt and self-hate.

>

> I wasn't bad, this wasn't a "slip", it was a chance to look at the way I've lived for a long time. Today I will endeavor to get mindful and present enough to myself to eat in a way that nourishes my body and my soul in the process. Writing this helps and I hope that it helps others too.

>

> To new beginnings - every day.

>