Re: Why nutrition is relative

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I have to agree with Mimi's advice, even though I think it may not be what you want to hear! It took me a long time, but it was only after I truly gave myself permission to eat when I was no longer hungry... that I no longer wanted to eat when I wasn't hungry! Serving myself smaller portions helped sometimes, but more often it made me feel like those external diet authorities were there to tell me what to do.

Best,Abbywho has abandoned her breakfast beautiful fresh picked raspberries with yogurt... in favor of the kiddie cup of local ice cream she couldn't finish last night.  

 

Patti,

 

I have the same issue. I want to continue the pleasurable experience of eating something that tastes good. Nothing wrong with that. However, I wonder if instead of trying to stop yourself, you can just notice when you are satisfied, but give yourself permission to continue eating past that point? I think even noticing is a huge victory and if you give yourself permission to keep eating you reassure yourself that you will never deprive yourself of food no matter what. This might really help you to stop when you are no longer hungry in the future, since you are not restricting for any reason.

 

Another thought: could you actually still be hungry? I think food tastes best when you're hungry, so if something still tastes as delicious as the first bite, it might be that you are not at the satisfied point yet.

 

Mimi

Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >

Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

 

If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at " satisfied " or " comfortable. " I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but it's hard. 

Patti

 

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with Mimi's advice, even though I think it may not be what you want to hear! It took me a long time, but it was only after I truly gave myself permission to eat when I was no longer hungry... that I no longer wanted to eat when I wasn't hungry! Serving myself smaller portions helped sometimes, but more often it made me feel like those external diet authorities were there to tell me what to do.

Best,Abbywho has abandoned her breakfast beautiful fresh picked raspberries with yogurt... in favor of the kiddie cup of local ice cream she couldn't finish last night.  

 

Patti,

 

I have the same issue. I want to continue the pleasurable experience of eating something that tastes good. Nothing wrong with that. However, I wonder if instead of trying to stop yourself, you can just notice when you are satisfied, but give yourself permission to continue eating past that point? I think even noticing is a huge victory and if you give yourself permission to keep eating you reassure yourself that you will never deprive yourself of food no matter what. This might really help you to stop when you are no longer hungry in the future, since you are not restricting for any reason.

 

Another thought: could you actually still be hungry? I think food tastes best when you're hungry, so if something still tastes as delicious as the first bite, it might be that you are not at the satisfied point yet.

 

Mimi

Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >

Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

 

If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at " satisfied " or " comfortable. " I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but it's hard. 

Patti

 

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with Mimi's advice, even though I think it may not be what you want to hear! It took me a long time, but it was only after I truly gave myself permission to eat when I was no longer hungry... that I no longer wanted to eat when I wasn't hungry! Serving myself smaller portions helped sometimes, but more often it made me feel like those external diet authorities were there to tell me what to do.

Best,Abbywho has abandoned her breakfast beautiful fresh picked raspberries with yogurt... in favor of the kiddie cup of local ice cream she couldn't finish last night.  

 

Patti,

 

I have the same issue. I want to continue the pleasurable experience of eating something that tastes good. Nothing wrong with that. However, I wonder if instead of trying to stop yourself, you can just notice when you are satisfied, but give yourself permission to continue eating past that point? I think even noticing is a huge victory and if you give yourself permission to keep eating you reassure yourself that you will never deprive yourself of food no matter what. This might really help you to stop when you are no longer hungry in the future, since you are not restricting for any reason.

 

Another thought: could you actually still be hungry? I think food tastes best when you're hungry, so if something still tastes as delicious as the first bite, it might be that you are not at the satisfied point yet.

 

Mimi

Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

To: " IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >

Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

 

If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at " satisfied " or " comfortable. " I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but it's hard. 

Patti

 

[Guest guest]

From what I am reading in Intuitive Eating by Tribole and Resch, they talk of "taste hunger." That is when you want to eat but are not hungry. They say that if you give yourself "permission for occasional responses to taste hunger, you'll feel more satisfied with your eating experience," and discover that you'll generally wind up eating smaller quantities of food. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:29 AMSubject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

I have to agree with Mimi's advice, even though I think it may not be what you want to hear!

It took me a long time, but it was only after I truly gave myself permission to eat when I was no longer hungry... that I no longer wanted to eat when I wasn't hungry! Serving myself smaller portions helped sometimes, but more often it made me feel like those external diet authorities were there to tell me what to do.

Best,

Abby

who has abandoned her breakfast beautiful fresh picked raspberries with yogurt... in favor of the kiddie cup of local ice cream she couldn't finish last night.

Patti,

I have the same issue. I want to continue the pleasurable experience of eating something that tastes good. Nothing wrong with that. However, I wonder if instead of trying to stop yourself, you can just notice when you are satisfied, but give yourself permission to continue eating past that point? I think even noticing is a huge victory and if you give yourself permission to keep eating you reassure yourself that you will never deprive yourself of food no matter what. This might really help you to stop when you are no longer hungry in the future, since you are not restricting for any reason.

Another thought: could you actually still be hungry? I think food tastes best when you're hungry, so if something still tastes as delicious as the first bite, it might be that you are not at the satisfied point yet.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at "satisfied" or "comfortable." I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but it's hard.

Patti

[Guest guest]

From what I am reading in Intuitive Eating by Tribole and Resch, they talk of "taste hunger." That is when you want to eat but are not hungry. They say that if you give yourself "permission for occasional responses to taste hunger, you'll feel more satisfied with your eating experience," and discover that you'll generally wind up eating smaller quantities of food. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:29 AMSubject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

I have to agree with Mimi's advice, even though I think it may not be what you want to hear!

It took me a long time, but it was only after I truly gave myself permission to eat when I was no longer hungry... that I no longer wanted to eat when I wasn't hungry! Serving myself smaller portions helped sometimes, but more often it made me feel like those external diet authorities were there to tell me what to do.

Best,

Abby

who has abandoned her breakfast beautiful fresh picked raspberries with yogurt... in favor of the kiddie cup of local ice cream she couldn't finish last night.

Patti,

I have the same issue. I want to continue the pleasurable experience of eating something that tastes good. Nothing wrong with that. However, I wonder if instead of trying to stop yourself, you can just notice when you are satisfied, but give yourself permission to continue eating past that point? I think even noticing is a huge victory and if you give yourself permission to keep eating you reassure yourself that you will never deprive yourself of food no matter what. This might really help you to stop when you are no longer hungry in the future, since you are not restricting for any reason.

Another thought: could you actually still be hungry? I think food tastes best when you're hungry, so if something still tastes as delicious as the first bite, it might be that you are not at the satisfied point yet.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at "satisfied" or "comfortable." I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but it's hard.

Patti

[Guest guest]

From what I am reading in Intuitive Eating by Tribole and Resch, they talk of "taste hunger." That is when you want to eat but are not hungry. They say that if you give yourself "permission for occasional responses to taste hunger, you'll feel more satisfied with your eating experience," and discover that you'll generally wind up eating smaller quantities of food. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:29 AMSubject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

I have to agree with Mimi's advice, even though I think it may not be what you want to hear!

It took me a long time, but it was only after I truly gave myself permission to eat when I was no longer hungry... that I no longer wanted to eat when I wasn't hungry! Serving myself smaller portions helped sometimes, but more often it made me feel like those external diet authorities were there to tell me what to do.

Best,

Abby

who has abandoned her breakfast beautiful fresh picked raspberries with yogurt... in favor of the kiddie cup of local ice cream she couldn't finish last night.

Patti,

I have the same issue. I want to continue the pleasurable experience of eating something that tastes good. Nothing wrong with that. However, I wonder if instead of trying to stop yourself, you can just notice when you are satisfied, but give yourself permission to continue eating past that point? I think even noticing is a huge victory and if you give yourself permission to keep eating you reassure yourself that you will never deprive yourself of food no matter what. This might really help you to stop when you are no longer hungry in the future, since you are not restricting for any reason.

Another thought: could you actually still be hungry? I think food tastes best when you're hungry, so if something still tastes as delicious as the first bite, it might be that you are not at the satisfied point yet.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at "satisfied" or "comfortable." I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but it's hard.

Patti

[Guest guest]

What I find most helpful on this site is people speaking from their own

experiences, successes and stumbles, not using quotes from IE or other

references to prove a point.

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> >>Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

> >>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

<IntuitiveEating_Support >

> >>Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

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> >>If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at " satisfied " or

" comfortable. " I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but

it's hard. 

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[Guest guest]

What I find most helpful on this site is people speaking from their own

experiences, successes and stumbles, not using quotes from IE or other

references to prove a point.

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> >>Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

> >>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

<IntuitiveEating_Support >

> >>Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

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> >>If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at " satisfied " or

" comfortable. " I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but

it's hard. 

> >>Patti

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[Guest guest]

What I find most helpful on this site is people speaking from their own

experiences, successes and stumbles, not using quotes from IE or other

references to prove a point.

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> >>Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relative

> >>To: " IntuitiveEating_Support "

<IntuitiveEating_Support >

> >>Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM

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> >>If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at " satisfied " or

" comfortable. " I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but

it's hard. 

> >>Patti

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[Guest guest]

I agree that what might seem like " overeating " to the head, might just be what

the body needs in that moment. I found that the other night to my surprise...

Pleasant surprise, actually. Sandarah

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I totally hear what you are saying but I dont think you are hearing me. This isn't about weight. This is about abusing my body, walking around with a perpetual stuffed feeling because I have no Idea what hungry and satisfied are, just starving and stuffed. Right now I need to figure out when it's time to eat and when it's time to stop. I used to know those things. So for me, stopping isn't the diet police. It's more like figuring out what my body is telling me. Here is a non-food example: last year I had major surgery. They had me on good drugs and then I was off of them and my bp skyrocketed. I asked the surgeon why. "you are in pain. High bp and agitation tell me you need some pain meds. ". I was agitated and had the high bp but couldn't tell you I was in pain. I'm getting better with that one. Now I'm working on hungry and satisfied. It's tricky!

I agree that what might seem like "overeating" to the head, might just be what the body needs in that moment. I found that the other night to my surprise... Pleasant surprise, actually. Sandarah

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I totally hear what you are saying but I dont think you are hearing me. This isn't about weight. This is about abusing my body, walking around with a perpetual stuffed feeling because I have no Idea what hungry and satisfied are, just starving and stuffed. Right now I need to figure out when it's time to eat and when it's time to stop. I used to know those things. So for me, stopping isn't the diet police. It's more like figuring out what my body is telling me. Here is a non-food example: last year I had major surgery. They had me on good drugs and then I was off of them and my bp skyrocketed. I asked the surgeon why. "you are in pain. High bp and agitation tell me you need some pain meds. ". I was agitated and had the high bp but couldn't tell you I was in pain. I'm getting better with that one. Now I'm working on hungry and satisfied. It's tricky!

I agree that what might seem like "overeating" to the head, might just be what the body needs in that moment. I found that the other night to my surprise... Pleasant surprise, actually. Sandarah

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I hear you, Patti. So, right now you know that by the time you eat, you are starving, and that by the time you stop, you are stuffed. So maybe you can take that knowledge (and it is knowledge) and experiment. Since, right now, your only hear the hunger signal when you are starving, can you try experimenting with eating a little before that signal? And then experiment with stopping a little before the stuffed signal? I know you wouldn't be practicing IE this way, at least at first, but maybe seeing how your body feels when eating before starving and stuffed will help you start noticing more subtle signals in the future.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 11:19 PM

I totally hear what you are saying but I dont think you are hearing me. This isn't about weight. This is about abusing my body, walking around with a perpetual stuffed feeling because I have no Idea what hungry and satisfied are, just starving and stuffed. Right now I need to figure out when it's time to eat and when it's time to stop. I used to know those things. So for me, stopping isn't the diet police. It's more like figuring out what my body is telling me.

Here is a non-food example: last year I had major surgery. They had me on good drugs and then I was off of them and my bp skyrocketed. I asked the surgeon why. "you are in pain. High bp and agitation tell me you need some pain meds. ". I was agitated and had the high bp but couldn't tell you I was in pain.

I'm getting better with that one. Now I'm working on hungry and satisfied. It's tricky!

[Guest guest]

That seems quite IE to me. I know I find I am at the 'ends' of a sliding scale

on fullness and am slowly working back towards finding more middle ground to

know and appreciate. For me its rather a 'fight' to do, but I realize that is

some old 'rules' left over fueled more by rebelling than self caring. Onward

every day!

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> I hear you, Patti. So, right now you know that by the time you eat, you are

starving, and that by the time you stop, you are stuffed. So maybe you can take

that knowledge (and it is knowledge) and experiment. Since, right now, your only

hear the hunger signal when you are starving, can you try experimenting with

eating a little before that signal? And then experiment with stopping a little

before the stuffed signal? I know you wouldn't be practicing IE this way, at

least at first, but maybe seeing how your body feels when eating before starving

and stuffed will help you start noticing more subtle signals in the future.

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> Mimi

[Guest guest]

That seems quite IE to me. I know I find I am at the 'ends' of a sliding scale

on fullness and am slowly working back towards finding more middle ground to

know and appreciate. For me its rather a 'fight' to do, but I realize that is

some old 'rules' left over fueled more by rebelling than self caring. Onward

every day!

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> I hear you, Patti. So, right now you know that by the time you eat, you are

starving, and that by the time you stop, you are stuffed. So maybe you can take

that knowledge (and it is knowledge) and experiment. Since, right now, your only

hear the hunger signal when you are starving, can you try experimenting with

eating a little before that signal? And then experiment with stopping a little

before the stuffed signal? I know you wouldn't be practicing IE this way, at

least at first, but maybe seeing how your body feels when eating before starving

and stuffed will help you start noticing more subtle signals in the future.

>  

> Mimi

[Guest guest]

Mimi, you got it! that's what I'm doing. I am saying to myself, if I had an apple, would I want to eat it. If I'm hungry, the answer is yes big not, it's no. If it is yes, then I ask myself what I want to eat. I use the apple as a test because as much as I love apples, they aren't something I would binge on. The bigger issue is stopping, so right now I'm practicing stopping with one bite left. And sometimes I can do it and sometimes I struggle. Patti

I hear you, Patti. So, right now you know that by the time you eat, you are starving, and that by the time you stop, you are stuffed. So maybe you can take that knowledge (and it is knowledge) and experiment. Since, right now, your only hear the hunger signal when you are starving, can you try experimenting with eating a little before that signal? And then experiment with stopping a little before the stuffed signal? I know you wouldn't be practicing IE this way, at least at first, but maybe seeing how your body feels when eating before starving and stuffed will help you start noticing more subtle signals in the future.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 11:19 PM

I totally hear what you are saying but I dont think you are hearing me. This isn't about weight. This is about abusing my body, walking around with a perpetual stuffed feeling because I have no Idea what hungry and satisfied are, just starving and stuffed. Right now I need to figure out when it's time to eat and when it's time to stop. I used to know those things. So for me, stopping isn't the diet police. It's more like figuring out what my body is telling me.

Here is a non-food example: last year I had major surgery. They had me on good drugs and then I was off of them and my bp skyrocketed. I asked the surgeon why. "you are in pain. High bp and agitation tell me you need some pain meds. ". I was agitated and had the high bp but couldn't tell you I was in pain.

I'm getting better with that one. Now I'm working on hungry and satisfied. It's tricky!

[Guest guest]

Mimi, you got it! that's what I'm doing. I am saying to myself, if I had an apple, would I want to eat it. If I'm hungry, the answer is yes big not, it's no. If it is yes, then I ask myself what I want to eat. I use the apple as a test because as much as I love apples, they aren't something I would binge on. The bigger issue is stopping, so right now I'm practicing stopping with one bite left. And sometimes I can do it and sometimes I struggle. Patti

I hear you, Patti. So, right now you know that by the time you eat, you are starving, and that by the time you stop, you are stuffed. So maybe you can take that knowledge (and it is knowledge) and experiment. Since, right now, your only hear the hunger signal when you are starving, can you try experimenting with eating a little before that signal? And then experiment with stopping a little before the stuffed signal? I know you wouldn't be practicing IE this way, at least at first, but maybe seeing how your body feels when eating before starving and stuffed will help you start noticing more subtle signals in the future.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 11:19 PM

I totally hear what you are saying but I dont think you are hearing me. This isn't about weight. This is about abusing my body, walking around with a perpetual stuffed feeling because I have no Idea what hungry and satisfied are, just starving and stuffed. Right now I need to figure out when it's time to eat and when it's time to stop. I used to know those things. So for me, stopping isn't the diet police. It's more like figuring out what my body is telling me.

Here is a non-food example: last year I had major surgery. They had me on good drugs and then I was off of them and my bp skyrocketed. I asked the surgeon why. "you are in pain. High bp and agitation tell me you need some pain meds. ". I was agitated and had the high bp but couldn't tell you I was in pain.

I'm getting better with that one. Now I'm working on hungry and satisfied. It's tricky!

[Guest guest]

About 90% of the time. I'm better because I'm choosing smaller portions instead of larger ones. For example, instead of a short stack, I get one pancake or maybe a pancake and an egg. I'm getting there. It's just a slow process.

I wonder, are you eating beyond full when you're distracted or all of the time? Last night I found myself eating beyond full because, I was watching television and just didn't want to be aware and in touch. So I pushed past a place where I felt really good into stuffed. I don't know what drives that kind of "decision" but there somewhere was the feeling of not knowing what to do when dinner ended and not wanting to deal with that. Frustrating.

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About 90% of the time. I'm better because I'm choosing smaller portions instead of larger ones. For example, instead of a short stack, I get one pancake or maybe a pancake and an egg. I'm getting there. It's just a slow process.

I wonder, are you eating beyond full when you're distracted or all of the time? Last night I found myself eating beyond full because, I was watching television and just didn't want to be aware and in touch. So I pushed past a place where I felt really good into stuffed. I don't know what drives that kind of "decision" but there somewhere was the feeling of not knowing what to do when dinner ended and not wanting to deal with that. Frustrating.

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About 90% of the time. I'm better because I'm choosing smaller portions instead of larger ones. For example, instead of a short stack, I get one pancake or maybe a pancake and an egg. I'm getting there. It's just a slow process.

I wonder, are you eating beyond full when you're distracted or all of the time? Last night I found myself eating beyond full because, I was watching television and just didn't want to be aware and in touch. So I pushed past a place where I felt really good into stuffed. I don't know what drives that kind of "decision" but there somewhere was the feeling of not knowing what to do when dinner ended and not wanting to deal with that. Frustrating.

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I think that's great. How else would we learn about ourselves unless we experimented and really listened?

Mimi

Subject: Re: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 11:58 AM

Mimi, you got it! that's what I'm doing. I am saying to myself, if I had an apple, would I want to eat it. If I'm hungry, the answer is yes big not, it's no. If it is yes, then I ask myself what I want to eat. I use the apple as a test because as much as I love apples, they aren't something I would binge on.

The bigger issue is stopping, so right now I'm practicing stopping with one bite left. And sometimes I can do it and sometimes I struggle.

Patti

[Guest guest]

I think that's great. How else would we learn about ourselves unless we experimented and really listened?

Mimi

Subject: Re: Re: Why nutrition is relativeTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 11:58 AM

Mimi, you got it! that's what I'm doing. I am saying to myself, if I had an apple, would I want to eat it. If I'm hungry, the answer is yes big not, it's no. If it is yes, then I ask myself what I want to eat. I use the apple as a test because as much as I love apples, they aren't something I would binge on.

The bigger issue is stopping, so right now I'm practicing stopping with one bite left. And sometimes I can do it and sometimes I struggle.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Patti,

Only noticing you were agitated (a warning sign we often give less importance

than it should have), when your elevated bp (an " external " measure of a body

reality, much like the scale or a blood sugar reading, all of which naturally

fluctuate significantly) told your surgeon you were in pain, is a GREAT

illustration of how out of touch we can so easily be with our bodies. I too

keep getting disgusted when seemingly out of nowhere, my tummy aches from too

much food and I hadn't noticed anything to tell me it was time to stop eating.

But I have been under excessively high stress recently and have noticed I pretty

much eat whatever is on my plate, as I can't seem to quiet my thoughts and be

able to focus on eating and bodily sensations. I'm also noticing the food

doesn't taste as great, probably because I'm so distracted, because the first

couple of bites do, then the worrisome thoughts come back and I hardly notice

the food at all until it's mysteriously gone. I'm thinking I'm not getting

anything positive out of overeating this way, and really want to find my way

back to eating much smaller portions with enjoyment and then being completely

satisfied until my next hunger. Focusing through stress/anxiety/agitation to

notice body signals is difficult. Does anyone else have any helpful suggestions

you have found worked when the stress was high enough to put you in that

agitated, fight-or-flight mode? Or perhaps I just need to do everything I can

to reduce the anxiety level and delay eating until I'm calmer or at least eat

alone when I'm stressed?

Jane

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For me it has been a fairly slow process, but I'm happy with the process, Patti. Better than dieting and I keep learning both about my body and externals as well. Tai

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About 90% of the time. I'm better because I'm choosing smaller portions instead of larger ones. For example, instead of a short stack, I get one pancake or maybe a pancake and an egg.

I'm getting there. It's just a slow process.

I wonder, are you eating beyond full when you're distracted or all of the time? Last night I found myself eating beyond full because, I was watching television and just didn't want to be aware and in touch. So I pushed past a place where I felt really good into stuffed. I don't know what drives that kind of "decision" but there somewhere was the feeling of not knowing what to do when dinner ended and not wanting to deal with that. Frustrating. > > > > > > > > > From: Patti Thorp <clicklbd@>> > > Subject: Re: Why nutrition is relative> > > To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >> > > Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:27 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > If something tastes good, I have a hard time stopping at "satisfied" or "comfortable." I am finding by giving myself a smaller portion, that helps but it's hard. > > > > > > > > > Patti> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >> > > >>

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Ah yes, good points all. Those are what I consider to be my deeper issues -

being in places and with people with whom I have no sense of equilibrium. It's

gonna be some sorting out for me to get through those times when I am not even

" in " my body much less able to know if I'm full. Sandarah

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