Re: A humbling midnight realization

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Judy re candy bar X, You are learning as are we all who are on this journey.  Good job! Sandy

 

I've been reading all I could find about IE, and thought I was doing pretty well, eating when hungry, not outlawing anything, and so on. But.

I've been eating X bars because I did not want them to be a forbidden food. Only I just realized that what I want is an X bar and a glass of milk, as opposed to what I have been doing instead is eating a moderate dinner, or lunch, then having an X bar. As sensible as this may be in some ways, it is not at all sensible in terms of legalizing the X bars. So I just ate an X bar and milk. And I may have the same for breakfast tomorrow, if that is what I want. What I won't do anymore is eat something " sensible " and then follow up with what I want!

I " knew " this intellectually already, I could have quoted different authors on the concept, and even some of the research, but what floors me is that I didn't know it.

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update -- odd food choice was followed by body 'humming" that felt like a sort of hum of satisfaction -- I can recall other experiences like that, oysters, the occasional steak, sometimes salad, etc. It feels foolish that I didn't know that was what I was looking for.

I've been reading all I could find about IE, and thought I was doing pretty well, eating when hungry, not outlawing anything, and so on. But. I've been eating X bars because I did not want them to be a forbidden food. Only I just realized that what I want is an X bar and a glass of milk, as opposed to what I have been doing instead is eating a moderate dinner, or lunch, then having an X bar. As sensible as this may be in some ways, it is not at all sensible in terms of legalizing the X bars. So I just ate an X bar and milk. And I may have the same for breakfast tomorrow, if that is what I want. What I won't do anymore is eat something "sensible" and then follow up with what I want! I "knew" this intellectually already, I could have quoted different authors on the concept, and even some of the research, but what floors me is that I didn't know it.

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I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:35:17 AMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realization

I can relate completely. It's like you have to atone for the "sin" of the X bar with something sensible. I realized only recently that that was overeating! In fact, I was told by a nutritionist that the sensible food would help mitigate the bad properties of the "sinful" food.

This is not to dump on nutritionists in general. I know there are great ones out there. But this particular person triggered me into a major rebellion. She had so many food rules and told me exactly how many fat grams, fiber grams, and saturated fat grams I was supposed to have, that I began to feel very depressed whenever I wasn't "perfect." Anyway, that's my issue. IE is such a more loving way to be.

Mimi

Subject: A humbling midnight realizationTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:06 AM

I've been reading all I could find about IE, and thought I was doing pretty well, eating when hungry, not outlawing anything, and so on. But. I've been eating X bars because I did not want them to be a forbidden food. Only I just realized that what I want is an X bar and a glass of milk, as opposed to what I have been doing instead is eating a moderate dinner, or lunch, then having an X bar. As sensible as this may be in some ways, it is not at all sensible in terms of legalizing the X bars. So I just ate an X bar and milk. And I may have the same for breakfast tomorrow, if that is what I want. What I won't do anymore is eat something "sensible" and then follow up with what I want! I "knew" this intellectually already, I could have quoted different authors on the concept, and even some of the research, but what floors me is that I didn't know it.

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WOW! that is a wonderful (re)discovery for you :-) Thanks for sharing and

inspiring too.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> update -- odd food choice was followed by  body 'humming " that felt like a

sort of hum of satisfaction -- I can recall other experiences like that,

oysters, the occasional steak, sometimes salad, etc. It feels foolish that I

 didn't know that was what I was looking for.

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[Guest guest]

WOW! that is a wonderful (re)discovery for you :-) Thanks for sharing and

inspiring too.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> update -- odd food choice was followed by  body 'humming " that felt like a

sort of hum of satisfaction -- I can recall other experiences like that,

oysters, the occasional steak, sometimes salad, etc. It feels foolish that I

 didn't know that was what I was looking for.

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[Guest guest]

How depressing.

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

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How depressing.

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

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Depressing? no, I actually really like fruits and veggies, especially now that they are in season...fresh, ripe and tasty. CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:13:29 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realization

How depressing.

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

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Depressing? no, I actually really like fruits and veggies, especially now that they are in season...fresh, ripe and tasty. CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:13:29 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realization

How depressing.

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

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No, I was reacting to the idea that you had to restrict your eating 90% of the time by eating only what someone else (the nutritionist) thought your body needed. It smacks of diet mentality to me. I love fruits and veggies, too, and want to be able to eat my version of healthy 100% of the time.

Mimi

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

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Again, just as we must learn the concept of Intuitive Eating by listening to someone teach us about it in books, groups, seminars and counseling sessions,if someone makes a suggestion to cut down on fats, or eat more fruits and vegetables, it is not necessarily a diet mentality. We don't have to follow it, just as if I go to the doctor and she tells me my pressure is high, I don't have to take the medication, I can reject it.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:28 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realization

No, I was reacting to the idea that you had to restrict your eating 90% of the time by eating only what someone else (the nutritionist) thought your body needed. It smacks of diet mentality to me. I love fruits and veggies, too, and want to be able to eat my version of healthy 100% of the time.

Mimi

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

[Guest guest]

Again, just as we must learn the concept of Intuitive Eating by listening to someone teach us about it in books, groups, seminars and counseling sessions,if someone makes a suggestion to cut down on fats, or eat more fruits and vegetables, it is not necessarily a diet mentality. We don't have to follow it, just as if I go to the doctor and she tells me my pressure is high, I don't have to take the medication, I can reject it.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:28 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realization

No, I was reacting to the idea that you had to restrict your eating 90% of the time by eating only what someone else (the nutritionist) thought your body needed. It smacks of diet mentality to me. I love fruits and veggies, too, and want to be able to eat my version of healthy 100% of the time.

Mimi

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

[Guest guest]

Again, just as we must learn the concept of Intuitive Eating by listening to someone teach us about it in books, groups, seminars and counseling sessions,if someone makes a suggestion to cut down on fats, or eat more fruits and vegetables, it is not necessarily a diet mentality. We don't have to follow it, just as if I go to the doctor and she tells me my pressure is high, I don't have to take the medication, I can reject it.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:28 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realization

No, I was reacting to the idea that you had to restrict your eating 90% of the time by eating only what someone else (the nutritionist) thought your body needed. It smacks of diet mentality to me. I love fruits and veggies, too, and want to be able to eat my version of healthy 100% of the time.

Mimi

Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM

I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.

Carole

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Yeah, I sort of felt that way too...

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Hmmm guess I was on another track... I saw a Chinese Medicine nutritionist for

a while who said I had too much dampness and needed to not eat fruit or anything

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I saw an acupuncturist who told me the very same things. It just felt awful even hearing what all I'd have to change. And I have rosacea too, you should see the whole list of foods you supposed to restrict. I can't do it. I just can't face it at all. There are a few foods I know really leave me feeling awful or cause a huge flair in my rosacea and I do avoid those few things to avoid feeling so badly, but that is a honoring of the body not a restriction. I know I can choose to deal with the consequences if I really wanted the item. However those consequences actually make the food a whole lot less appealing and I find I don't really miss most of them all that much. Sunny

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I saw an acupuncturist who told me the very same things. It just felt awful even hearing what all I'd have to change. And I have rosacea too, you should see the whole list of foods you supposed to restrict. I can't do it. I just can't face it at all. There are a few foods I know really leave me feeling awful or cause a huge flair in my rosacea and I do avoid those few things to avoid feeling so badly, but that is a honoring of the body not a restriction. I know I can choose to deal with the consequences if I really wanted the item. However those consequences actually make the food a whole lot less appealing and I find I don't really miss most of them all that much. Sunny

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I have to choose from a fairly limited food selection or pay some heavy consequences. But I think it's worth it and I just make sure that I really enjoy what I can safely eat. Patti

I saw an acupuncturist who told me the very same things. It just felt awful even hearing what all I'd have to change. And I have rosacea too, you should see the whole list of foods you supposed to restrict. I can't do it. I just can't face it at all. There are a few foods I know really leave me feeling awful or cause a huge flair in my rosacea and I do avoid those few things to avoid feeling so badly, but that is a honoring of the body not a restriction. I know I can choose to deal with the consequences if I really wanted the item. However those consequences actually make the food a whole lot less appealing and I find I don't really miss most of them all that much. Sunny

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I have to choose from a fairly limited food selection or pay some heavy consequences. But I think it's worth it and I just make sure that I really enjoy what I can safely eat. Patti

I saw an acupuncturist who told me the very same things. It just felt awful even hearing what all I'd have to change. And I have rosacea too, you should see the whole list of foods you supposed to restrict. I can't do it. I just can't face it at all. There are a few foods I know really leave me feeling awful or cause a huge flair in my rosacea and I do avoid those few things to avoid feeling so badly, but that is a honoring of the body not a restriction. I know I can choose to deal with the consequences if I really wanted the item. However those consequences actually make the food a whole lot less appealing and I find I don't really miss most of them all that much. Sunny

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Restricting food based on external reasons, whether the reasons are sound or not, is diet mentality. One may take advice to cut fats because it feels good for them and honors their body, but to do so simply because a person of authority has said so is not intuitive eating.

MimiSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:52 PM

Again, just as we must learn the concept of Intuitive Eating by listening to someone teach us about it in books, groups, seminars and counseling sessions,if someone makes a suggestion to cut down on fats, or eat more fruits and vegetables, it is not necessarily a diet mentality. We don't have to follow it, just as if I go to the doctor and she tells me my pressure is high, I don't have to take the medication, I can reject it.

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Wow, I'm so surprised that people feel that way. She never gave me a diet or food guide. She asked me what I usually ate and made a few suggestions for better choices. I take all this "nutritional science" with a grain of salt (figuratively speaking). It is more theory than science. They used to believe a calorie was a calorie, no matter if it was from fat, protein or carbohydrate. They determined calories by burning the food and seeing how much energy was contained in it (by measuring the increase in the temperature of water). Well, our bodies are much more complicated than that. If we listen too much to the experts, we would go crazy...what's good bad for us one day is good the next (ie. coconut oil).I really

believe that our bodies know best. My problem is that I don't always listen...sometimes I just want to eat. I have a better understanding of the quantities that satisfy me. I can eat two burgers but if I do I feel uncomfortable, so I just have one. Even if I don't have the satisfaction signal yet, I know from experience when to stop. I also eat when stressed and I have a lot of stress right now to deal with. Finding other ways to cope.CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:53:11 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationYeah, I sort of felt that way too... > > > > Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realization> To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >> Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM> > > > > > > > > I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.> Carole> > > > > >------------------------------------

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Wow, I'm so surprised that people feel that way. She never gave me a diet or food guide. She asked me what I usually ate and made a few suggestions for better choices. I take all this "nutritional science" with a grain of salt (figuratively speaking). It is more theory than science. They used to believe a calorie was a calorie, no matter if it was from fat, protein or carbohydrate. They determined calories by burning the food and seeing how much energy was contained in it (by measuring the increase in the temperature of water). Well, our bodies are much more complicated than that. If we listen too much to the experts, we would go crazy...what's good bad for us one day is good the next (ie. coconut oil).I really

believe that our bodies know best. My problem is that I don't always listen...sometimes I just want to eat. I have a better understanding of the quantities that satisfy me. I can eat two burgers but if I do I feel uncomfortable, so I just have one. Even if I don't have the satisfaction signal yet, I know from experience when to stop. I also eat when stressed and I have a lot of stress right now to deal with. Finding other ways to cope.CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:53:11 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationYeah, I sort of felt that way too... > > > > Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realization> To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >> Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM> > > > > > > > > I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.> Carole> > > > > >------------------------------------

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Wow, I'm so surprised that people feel that way. She never gave me a diet or food guide. She asked me what I usually ate and made a few suggestions for better choices. I take all this "nutritional science" with a grain of salt (figuratively speaking). It is more theory than science. They used to believe a calorie was a calorie, no matter if it was from fat, protein or carbohydrate. They determined calories by burning the food and seeing how much energy was contained in it (by measuring the increase in the temperature of water). Well, our bodies are much more complicated than that. If we listen too much to the experts, we would go crazy...what's good bad for us one day is good the next (ie. coconut oil).I really

believe that our bodies know best. My problem is that I don't always listen...sometimes I just want to eat. I have a better understanding of the quantities that satisfy me. I can eat two burgers but if I do I feel uncomfortable, so I just have one. Even if I don't have the satisfaction signal yet, I know from experience when to stop. I also eat when stressed and I have a lot of stress right now to deal with. Finding other ways to cope.CaroleTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:53:11 PMSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationYeah, I sort of felt that way too... > > > > Subject: Re: A humbling midnight realization> To: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >> Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 10:42 AM> > > > > > > > > I did go to a nutritionist once. She told me that if I eat "healthily" 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time I can eat whatever I want.> Carole> > > > > >------------------------------------

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Well, I do it for external reasons, sort of. I don't want to get into all the details, but one of the reasons I eat the way I do is that if I don't, I get kidney stones. So someone else made the "rules," but I already found out if I don't follow them, the results are not good. But if I don't follow the rules, it's not like I immediately have pain or something. I think you have to find a balance. Patti

Restricting food based on external reasons, whether the reasons are sound or not, is diet mentality. One may take advice to cut fats because it feels good for them and honors their body, but to do so simply because a person of authority has said so is not intuitive eating.

MimiSubject: Re: A humbling midnight realizationTo: "IntuitiveEating_Support " <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 12:52 PM

Again, just as we must learn the concept of Intuitive Eating by listening to someone teach us about it in books, groups, seminars and counseling sessions,if someone makes a suggestion to cut down on fats, or eat more fruits and vegetables, it is not necessarily a diet mentality. We don't have to follow it, just as if I go to the doctor and she tells me my pressure is high, I don't have to take the medication, I can reject it.