Guest guest Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 While BPD (and the Cluster B disorders) most certainly involve malfunction in various parts of the brain,an interesting research project on mentally healthy subjects has revealed that manipulation of the right temporo-parietal junction of the human brain (identified as the region from whence we get our notions of " morality " ) results in the suspension of functional moral judgment. Apparently this particular area of the brain doesn't fully develop until we are in our twenties--which made me wonder if,for the Cluster B camp,the RTPJ never fully develops at all. Here is a brief description of the RTPJ region's role: " Accumulating evidence from cognitive neuroscience indicates that the right inferior parietal cortex, at the junction with the posterior temporal cortex, plays a critical role in various aspects of social cognition such as theory of mind and empathy. With a quantitative meta-analysis of 70 functional neuroimaging studies, the authors demonstrate that this area is also engaged in lower-level (bottom-up) computational processes associated with the sense of agency and reorienting attention to salient stimuli. It is argued that this domain-general computational mechanism is crucial for higher level social cognitive processing. " " Theory of mind " is the ability to *accurately assess* someone else's intentions. " Reorienting attention to salient stimuli " would be making a functional judgment as to how to react when confronted with data which may or may not be congruent with what had proceeded it based on one's own sense of personal agency. If this area of your brain isn't working,you are going to have some pretty wacky moral judgment. Here's the article about a research experiment where the functioning of the RTPJ was purposefully suspended.Remind anyone of their nada? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100329152516.htm -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Hi AFB and Annie, Science gives me a context too for the craziness and it helps me to take a rational " step back " from the whole FOO vortex of pain,shame and blame like you said as the *only* cause. What I found most interesting about this research experiment is that when the RTPJ functioning was suppressed that the subjects focused solely on outcome as the basis for their moral judgment and were unable to consider the actor's intentions.I've read posts from people here many times about painful,dangerous,harmful or frightening incidents they've had that their nadas completely disregarded as insignificant simply because the poster didn't die from it.Which is similar to how the research subjects deemed the boyfriend in the dangerous bridge example as morally blameless simply because his girlfriend survived crossing it--it didn't *matter* to them that he might have wanted her to cross that bridge *because* it was dangerous in order to kill her.When our nadas (or fadas) disregard the bad things that happen to us ( " But you're fine now,what's the problem? " ) it comes off as contempt or extreme selfishness and therefore feels very personal--but it could also be because a part of their brain such as the RTPJ literally doesn't function. Only considering the outcome tends to lead to immoral behavior: " the ends justify the means " ...which is a thought process seen again and again in the Axis 2 disorders. Annie,I think it will be very interesting how a more thorough understanding of how the human brains works (or doesn't work) and how that is related to genetics will play out on a social level as growing scientific discovery and knowledge has to reckon with how to apply what is known to how we all live. > > , thanks for this. I read the article you supplied the link to; medical science always gives me comfort when applied to the pain of family. It gives me a context for the craziness and steps me outside of the family dynamics the use only tools of shame and blame as the cause of everything. > Many thanks, > AFB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Hi AFB and Annie, Science gives me a context too for the craziness and it helps me to take a rational " step back " from the whole FOO vortex of pain,shame and blame like you said as the *only* cause. What I found most interesting about this research experiment is that when the RTPJ functioning was suppressed that the subjects focused solely on outcome as the basis for their moral judgment and were unable to consider the actor's intentions.I've read posts from people here many times about painful,dangerous,harmful or frightening incidents they've had that their nadas completely disregarded as insignificant simply because the poster didn't die from it.Which is similar to how the research subjects deemed the boyfriend in the dangerous bridge example as morally blameless simply because his girlfriend survived crossing it--it didn't *matter* to them that he might have wanted her to cross that bridge *because* it was dangerous in order to kill her.When our nadas (or fadas) disregard the bad things that happen to us ( " But you're fine now,what's the problem? " ) it comes off as contempt or extreme selfishness and therefore feels very personal--but it could also be because a part of their brain such as the RTPJ literally doesn't function. Only considering the outcome tends to lead to immoral behavior: " the ends justify the means " ...which is a thought process seen again and again in the Axis 2 disorders. Annie,I think it will be very interesting how a more thorough understanding of how the human brains works (or doesn't work) and how that is related to genetics will play out on a social level as growing scientific discovery and knowledge has to reckon with how to apply what is known to how we all live. > > , thanks for this. I read the article you supplied the link to; medical science always gives me comfort when applied to the pain of family. It gives me a context for the craziness and steps me outside of the family dynamics the use only tools of shame and blame as the cause of everything. > Many thanks, > AFB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Hi AFB and Annie, Science gives me a context too for the craziness and it helps me to take a rational " step back " from the whole FOO vortex of pain,shame and blame like you said as the *only* cause. What I found most interesting about this research experiment is that when the RTPJ functioning was suppressed that the subjects focused solely on outcome as the basis for their moral judgment and were unable to consider the actor's intentions.I've read posts from people here many times about painful,dangerous,harmful or frightening incidents they've had that their nadas completely disregarded as insignificant simply because the poster didn't die from it.Which is similar to how the research subjects deemed the boyfriend in the dangerous bridge example as morally blameless simply because his girlfriend survived crossing it--it didn't *matter* to them that he might have wanted her to cross that bridge *because* it was dangerous in order to kill her.When our nadas (or fadas) disregard the bad things that happen to us ( " But you're fine now,what's the problem? " ) it comes off as contempt or extreme selfishness and therefore feels very personal--but it could also be because a part of their brain such as the RTPJ literally doesn't function. Only considering the outcome tends to lead to immoral behavior: " the ends justify the means " ...which is a thought process seen again and again in the Axis 2 disorders. Annie,I think it will be very interesting how a more thorough understanding of how the human brains works (or doesn't work) and how that is related to genetics will play out on a social level as growing scientific discovery and knowledge has to reckon with how to apply what is known to how we all live. > > , thanks for this. I read the article you supplied the link to; medical science always gives me comfort when applied to the pain of family. It gives me a context for the craziness and steps me outside of the family dynamics the use only tools of shame and blame as the cause of everything. > Many thanks, > AFB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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