Re: help needed when to stop

[Guest guest]

Sandy, I love this board also and well I guess I'm not watching as much TV. My eyelids are finally heavy, I can soon go to sleep (I hope). You take care. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:40 PMSubject: Re: help needed when to stop

Tai, I guess I try to use the hunger scale(although not formerly anymore) and to also include the satisfaction in that. I will go read those sections again. Did that "no longer hungry" idea come from a different book or what? Boy I spend too much time on my computer. I just love being here though. I'd better go move a little. Sandy

Hi, Sandy. Your post makes sense, but I'm hearing that the "no longer hungry" is the point at which we should stop, not the "full" signal. So I'm having trouble here knowing when I need to stop eating. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:10 AMSubject: Re: help needed

when to stop

Tai, For me eating just a plum would not have been enough and certainly I would have been hungry again in an hour. And 2 minutes wouldn't have been enough to experience SATISFACTION. Another thing for me I need to have a balanced feeding including some protein and fat along with the carb to keep my blood sugar stable and carry me over for a few hours. That's just me. But it sounds like you didn't have the satisfaction you wanted or were seeking. And with IE I think it is more than ok to enjoy the food/feeding. Sandy

Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone can help me with it. I know when I"m hungry now, and generally speaking have no problem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not hungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that now. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started out being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. Then I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and eating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I eat also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience is over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's going to work. I'd appreciate

thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the "cease and desist" signal, not merely the "no more hungry" signal. Tai

[Guest guest]

Tai,

The key for me has been waiting until my stomach is grumbling before I start.

Then I am able to eat more at a time and don't feel deprived. For example,

right now I am GETTING hungry, but my stomach hasn't started rumbling yet. I've

smelled my son's breakfast, and even though I discovered I don't really like his

Pop Tarts, they smelled good. Just now I fed my daughter and her banana looked

and smelled and felt perfect and I want one of those, but I didn't take a bite,

because I know that in a few minutes to an hour, I will be genuinely hungry, and

it's ONLY THEN when I will be able to tell clearly when I hit the point of not

hungry and will be able to easily stop appropriately.

Jane

>

> OK, Sunny, but does it take long to get to that neutral place? I can be in

that neutral place after 5 bites, if I stopped there my eating experience is

over and I don't like that. Tai

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:39 PM

> Subject: Re: help needed when to stop

>

>

>  

> But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger.  I'm not talking

about starving either.  Just hungry.  Plain and simple.  Either I am hungry

or I am not.  That part is pretty easy now.  Then I eat what I want to eat out

of what I have available to me at the moment.  I don't have the patience to

make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want.  I look

in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based

upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without

giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself.  Do

I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I

don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or

a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again.  When I feel

completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.  That's where I'm

happiest and

> that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me

feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>  

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out

for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

>  

>  

>  

>

[Guest guest]

Tai,

The key for me has been waiting until my stomach is grumbling before I start.

Then I am able to eat more at a time and don't feel deprived. For example,

right now I am GETTING hungry, but my stomach hasn't started rumbling yet. I've

smelled my son's breakfast, and even though I discovered I don't really like his

Pop Tarts, they smelled good. Just now I fed my daughter and her banana looked

and smelled and felt perfect and I want one of those, but I didn't take a bite,

because I know that in a few minutes to an hour, I will be genuinely hungry, and

it's ONLY THEN when I will be able to tell clearly when I hit the point of not

hungry and will be able to easily stop appropriately.

Jane

>

> OK, Sunny, but does it take long to get to that neutral place? I can be in

that neutral place after 5 bites, if I stopped there my eating experience is

over and I don't like that. Tai

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:39 PM

> Subject: Re: help needed when to stop

>

>

>  

> But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger.  I'm not talking

about starving either.  Just hungry.  Plain and simple.  Either I am hungry

or I am not.  That part is pretty easy now.  Then I eat what I want to eat out

of what I have available to me at the moment.  I don't have the patience to

make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want.  I look

in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based

upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without

giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself.  Do

I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I

don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or

a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again.  When I feel

completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.  That's where I'm

happiest and

> that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me

feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>  

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out

for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

>  

>  

>  

>

[Guest guest]

Tai,

The key for me has been waiting until my stomach is grumbling before I start.

Then I am able to eat more at a time and don't feel deprived. For example,

right now I am GETTING hungry, but my stomach hasn't started rumbling yet. I've

smelled my son's breakfast, and even though I discovered I don't really like his

Pop Tarts, they smelled good. Just now I fed my daughter and her banana looked

and smelled and felt perfect and I want one of those, but I didn't take a bite,

because I know that in a few minutes to an hour, I will be genuinely hungry, and

it's ONLY THEN when I will be able to tell clearly when I hit the point of not

hungry and will be able to easily stop appropriately.

Jane

>

> OK, Sunny, but does it take long to get to that neutral place? I can be in

that neutral place after 5 bites, if I stopped there my eating experience is

over and I don't like that. Tai

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:39 PM

> Subject: Re: help needed when to stop

>

>

>  

> But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger.  I'm not talking

about starving either.  Just hungry.  Plain and simple.  Either I am hungry

or I am not.  That part is pretty easy now.  Then I eat what I want to eat out

of what I have available to me at the moment.  I don't have the patience to

make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want.  I look

in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based

upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without

giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself.  Do

I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I

don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or

a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again.  When I feel

completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.  That's where I'm

happiest and

> that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me

feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>  

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out

for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

>  

>  

>  

>

[Guest guest]

Katcha, for some reason, this and occasional other posts I read on the group

" messages " section (I don't take the emails) run off the right hand side of the

screen and there is no way to move over there and read the rest of each line.

Do you know if this is some sort of browser incompatibility issue on my end (I

use Firefox), or whether it has something to do with how the poster submitted

it?

Sunny, thank you! This was very interesting and I wish I'd been able to read

your complete comments, but I think I got the overall gist. I too have had a

pretty easy time letting all food be okay and not listening to the " experts, " a

moderate time on waiting for hunger, and right now am really focused on stopping

when not hungry, because I really want to release this excess weight and be able

to live longer for my family, who need me very much. I'm also finding that I

just FEEL so much better when I'm not overeating, whereas I always felt lousy

and stressed-out when I dieted.

Jane

>

>

> Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're probably

> ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't it?

I

> hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so we

> re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with less

> onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a carrot

> hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake when

you

> re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What I

do

> s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I really

> o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if I

do,

> will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as possible

> ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood sugars

> table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or a

> tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

>

> Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I really

> on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem to

> eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or full

I

> m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if it's

> ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There are

> imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I will

eat

> omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about

> tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am

> ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what

I

> ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really

> ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what

> ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in

> ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the

> dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a

> light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing

> eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>

> So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner? Well,

> ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks good,

> hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat very

> ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to me

> ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat again,

> f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important to

me

> nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't know

> xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to be

> ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on a

> eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market and

> y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now Tai

> nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever did.

> 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just figuring

out

> ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when I'm

> o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

>

> Good luck to you.

>

> Sunny

>

>

> help needed when to stop

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have no

> roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that

> ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with.

> hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I

> at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's

> oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease

> nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

>

>

>

> -----------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Katcha, for some reason, this and occasional other posts I read on the group

" messages " section (I don't take the emails) run off the right hand side of the

screen and there is no way to move over there and read the rest of each line.

Do you know if this is some sort of browser incompatibility issue on my end (I

use Firefox), or whether it has something to do with how the poster submitted

it?

Sunny, thank you! This was very interesting and I wish I'd been able to read

your complete comments, but I think I got the overall gist. I too have had a

pretty easy time letting all food be okay and not listening to the " experts, " a

moderate time on waiting for hunger, and right now am really focused on stopping

when not hungry, because I really want to release this excess weight and be able

to live longer for my family, who need me very much. I'm also finding that I

just FEEL so much better when I'm not overeating, whereas I always felt lousy

and stressed-out when I dieted.

Jane

>

>

> Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're probably

> ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't it?

I

> hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so we

> re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with less

> onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a carrot

> hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake when

you

> re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What I

do

> s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I really

> o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if I

do,

> will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as possible

> ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood sugars

> table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or a

> tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

>

> Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I really

> on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem to

> eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or full

I

> m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if it's

> ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There are

> imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I will

eat

> omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about

> tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am

> ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what

I

> ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really

> ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what

> ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in

> ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the

> dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a

> light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing

> eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>

> So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner? Well,

> ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks good,

> hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat very

> ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to me

> ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat again,

> f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important to

me

> nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't know

> xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to be

> ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on a

> eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market and

> y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now Tai

> nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever did.

> 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just figuring

out

> ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when I'm

> o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

>

> Good luck to you.

>

> Sunny

>

>

> help needed when to stop

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have no

> roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that

> ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with.

> hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I

> at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's

> oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease

> nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

>

>

>

> -----------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Katcha, for some reason, this and occasional other posts I read on the group

" messages " section (I don't take the emails) run off the right hand side of the

screen and there is no way to move over there and read the rest of each line.

Do you know if this is some sort of browser incompatibility issue on my end (I

use Firefox), or whether it has something to do with how the poster submitted

it?

Sunny, thank you! This was very interesting and I wish I'd been able to read

your complete comments, but I think I got the overall gist. I too have had a

pretty easy time letting all food be okay and not listening to the " experts, " a

moderate time on waiting for hunger, and right now am really focused on stopping

when not hungry, because I really want to release this excess weight and be able

to live longer for my family, who need me very much. I'm also finding that I

just FEEL so much better when I'm not overeating, whereas I always felt lousy

and stressed-out when I dieted.

Jane

>

>

> Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're probably

> ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't it?

I

> hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so we

> re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with less

> onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a carrot

> hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake when

you

> re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What I

do

> s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I really

> o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if I

do,

> will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as possible

> ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood sugars

> table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or a

> tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

>

> Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I really

> on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem to

> eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or full

I

> m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if it's

> ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There are

> imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I will

eat

> omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about

> tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am

> ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what

I

> ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really

> ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what

> ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in

> ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the

> dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a

> light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing

> eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>

> So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner? Well,

> ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks good,

> hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat very

> ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to me

> ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat again,

> f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important to

me

> nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't know

> xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to be

> ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on a

> eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market and

> y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now Tai

> nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever did.

> 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just figuring

out

> ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when I'm

> o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

>

> Good luck to you.

>

> Sunny

>

>

> help needed when to stop

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have no

> roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that

> ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with.

> hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I

> at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's

> oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease

> nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

>

>

>

> -----------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Katcha,

I thought I should mention that on the posts I have trouble reading because they

run off the right hand side, it's the ENTIRE screen which runs off, including

the yellow bar at the top, with the " previous/next " message buttons, etc. So

the only way to navigate out of those occasional posts is by going to the left

hand purple bar and clicking " messages " to go back to the full list of posts and

then find my place and start over, as opposed to simply clicking " next " and

going to the next message. Does that make sense?

Jane

> >

> >

> > Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're

probably

> > ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't it?

I

> > hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so

we

> > re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> > ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> > ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with less

> > onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a

carrot

> > hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake when

you

> > re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> > reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> > omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What I

do

> > s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I

really

> > o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> > it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if I

do,

> > will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as

possible

> > ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood

sugars

> > table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or a

> > tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

> >

> > Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I

really

> > on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> > an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem

to

> > eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> > ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or

full I

> > m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if it's

> > ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There are

> > imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I will

eat

> > omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> > ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking

about

> > tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am

> > ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of

what I

> > ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> > e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might

really

> > ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what

> > ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> > he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check

in

> > ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes

the

> > dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a

> > light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> > hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> > here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is

releasing

> > eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> >

> > So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner? Well,

> > ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks

good,

> > hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat

very

> > ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to me

> > ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat

again,

> > f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important to

me

> > nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't know

> > xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to

be

> > ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on a

> > eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market

and

> > y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now

Tai

> > nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever

did.

> > 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> > have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just figuring

out

> > ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when

I'm

> > o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

> >

> > Good luck to you.

> >

> > Sunny

> >

> >

> > help needed when to stop

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> > an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have

no

> > roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> > ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of

that

> > ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> > ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with.

> > hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> > ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc.

I

> > at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> > s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how

it's

> > oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease

> > nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

> >

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Katcha,

I thought I should mention that on the posts I have trouble reading because they

run off the right hand side, it's the ENTIRE screen which runs off, including

the yellow bar at the top, with the " previous/next " message buttons, etc. So

the only way to navigate out of those occasional posts is by going to the left

hand purple bar and clicking " messages " to go back to the full list of posts and

then find my place and start over, as opposed to simply clicking " next " and

going to the next message. Does that make sense?

Jane

> >

> >

> > Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're

probably

> > ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't it?

I

> > hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so

we

> > re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> > ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> > ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with less

> > onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a

carrot

> > hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake when

you

> > re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> > reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> > omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What I

do

> > s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I

really

> > o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> > it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if I

do,

> > will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as

possible

> > ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood

sugars

> > table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or a

> > tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

> >

> > Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I

really

> > on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> > an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem

to

> > eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> > ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or

full I

> > m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if it's

> > ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There are

> > imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I will

eat

> > omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> > ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking

about

> > tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am

> > ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of

what I

> > ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> > e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might

really

> > ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what

> > ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> > he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check

in

> > ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes

the

> > dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a

> > light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> > hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> > here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is

releasing

> > eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> >

> > So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner? Well,

> > ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks

good,

> > hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat

very

> > ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to me

> > ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat

again,

> > f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important to

me

> > nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't know

> > xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to

be

> > ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on a

> > eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market

and

> > y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now

Tai

> > nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever

did.

> > 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> > have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just figuring

out

> > ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when

I'm

> > o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

> >

> > Good luck to you.

> >

> > Sunny

> >

> >

> > help needed when to stop

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> > an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have

no

> > roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> > ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of

that

> > ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> > ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with.

> > hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> > ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc.

I

> > at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> > s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how

it's

> > oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease

> > nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

> >

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree with what Jane says below Tai. I try to wait until it's actual hunger, not just sounds good or want that. I do find that actual hunger comes about pretty quickly after things start sounding good though. When I give in and eat when I start thinking about it or think I might be getting hungry but am not certain about the hunger, I also have a harder time distinguishing when I am not longer hungry and I don't stop without being full. For me, being full is overeating. It feels bad and it holds on to the weight. Stopping when no longer hungry is very satisfying internally. My body just feels free and light and a certain type of comforted, and it releases weight. So while I would love to just eat because I think I enjoy it so much, I find that once the hunger is gone, I'm not really enjoying the food anymore. It becomes habit and mechanical, just a thing to feel guilty about later when I tell myself I should have honored my fullness and stopped when I wasn't hungry.

Sunny

Re: help needed when to stop

> > >  > But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about starving either. Just hungry.  Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again. When I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm happiest and

> that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> Â

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out for future reference. Thanks! Judy T. > Â

> Â

> Â

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Jane have you tried Internet Explorer? It might make things better.

My posts from my work server tend to be the ones that go long and the ones from my home don't.

If you want I can send the post to you privately.

Sunny

help needed when to stop

> > > > > > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone > an help me with it. I know when I"m hungry now, and generally speaking have no > roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not > ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that > ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started > ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. > hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and > ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I > at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience > s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's > oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the "cease > nd desist" signal, not merely the "no more hungry" signal. Tai

> > > > -----------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Sunny,

Yes, that's IT! I wish for desserts mostly when I'm NOT hungry. When I AM

hungry, I seem to want real food most of the time. In fact, thinking back to

the last few times I ate sweets, I'm realizing that my hunger was not at the

full grumbling stage! I was just " getting there " and wanted a treat before bed.

Fortunately, my husband served me very little and I definitely did not feel

overfull afterwards, but now I am going to watch and see if this is a trend.

The only times I have gone for sweets when I was REALLY hungry recently was when

I had an apple strudel, which is not as high sugar and does have some substance

to it, and when I had toast with jam, and the toast was that heavy seed and

whole wheat bread, so once again, it had real substance. I've eaten ice cream

and cookies and candy only when I've not been particularly hungry. AHA! MY

BODY KNOWS STRAIGHT SUGAR DOESN'T NOURISH IT!

Jane

>

>

> Tai, 5 bites isn't neutral for me. It's just taking the edge off the hunger.

If I stopped then I would be hungry again in 30 minutes to an hour. Then I'd be

grazing all day. I find I need to eat about a fist sized portion of a

denser/heavier meal and if it's lighter, like a chicken or Asian salad, It's

usually about the amount it would take to fill my hands if I was holding them

together like an offering basket. But it doesn't take all that long. Making a

meal last 20 minutes is impossible with those amounts of food. It took me a

long time to come to grips with having meals end so quickly too. But extending

my eating experience was extending my waistline. Four weeks ago, my doctor

prescribed a med that would mildly take the edge off the anxiety and stress I've

been feeling in my life for years. That really has helped me a great deal. I

no longer worry about how much I get to eat. I choose things I really like. I

buy fresh ever few days and I buy whatever strikes me at the time. I shop at

Asian markets where the produce and meat/fish is extremely fresh and exotic too.

I enjoy the whole process now, of shopping, preparing and eating these things I

really love and I need less of it. I am sometimes sad that my small dinner

keeps me from being hungry most nights and I don't get much in the way of

desserts any more. But I do know if I was hungry, I could have those desserts,

even if it means having it for breakfast. That's allowed you know. I tell

myself I can have it as soon as I'm hungry if I still want it. Most of the time

I'd rather have something else when the hunger comes.

>

> Sunny

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: help needed when to stop

>

>

>

>

>

> But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking

about starving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I

am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of

what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make

myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the

fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon

the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without

giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do

I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I

don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or

a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again. When I feel

completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm

happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and

making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out

for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

>

[Guest guest]

Sunny,

Yes, that's IT! I wish for desserts mostly when I'm NOT hungry. When I AM

hungry, I seem to want real food most of the time. In fact, thinking back to

the last few times I ate sweets, I'm realizing that my hunger was not at the

full grumbling stage! I was just " getting there " and wanted a treat before bed.

Fortunately, my husband served me very little and I definitely did not feel

overfull afterwards, but now I am going to watch and see if this is a trend.

The only times I have gone for sweets when I was REALLY hungry recently was when

I had an apple strudel, which is not as high sugar and does have some substance

to it, and when I had toast with jam, and the toast was that heavy seed and

whole wheat bread, so once again, it had real substance. I've eaten ice cream

and cookies and candy only when I've not been particularly hungry. AHA! MY

BODY KNOWS STRAIGHT SUGAR DOESN'T NOURISH IT!

Jane

>

>

> Tai, 5 bites isn't neutral for me. It's just taking the edge off the hunger.

If I stopped then I would be hungry again in 30 minutes to an hour. Then I'd be

grazing all day. I find I need to eat about a fist sized portion of a

denser/heavier meal and if it's lighter, like a chicken or Asian salad, It's

usually about the amount it would take to fill my hands if I was holding them

together like an offering basket. But it doesn't take all that long. Making a

meal last 20 minutes is impossible with those amounts of food. It took me a

long time to come to grips with having meals end so quickly too. But extending

my eating experience was extending my waistline. Four weeks ago, my doctor

prescribed a med that would mildly take the edge off the anxiety and stress I've

been feeling in my life for years. That really has helped me a great deal. I

no longer worry about how much I get to eat. I choose things I really like. I

buy fresh ever few days and I buy whatever strikes me at the time. I shop at

Asian markets where the produce and meat/fish is extremely fresh and exotic too.

I enjoy the whole process now, of shopping, preparing and eating these things I

really love and I need less of it. I am sometimes sad that my small dinner

keeps me from being hungry most nights and I don't get much in the way of

desserts any more. But I do know if I was hungry, I could have those desserts,

even if it means having it for breakfast. That's allowed you know. I tell

myself I can have it as soon as I'm hungry if I still want it. Most of the time

I'd rather have something else when the hunger comes.

>

> Sunny

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: help needed when to stop

>

>

>

>

>

> But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking

about starving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I

am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of

what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make

myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the

fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon

the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without

giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do

I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I

don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or

a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again. When I feel

completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm

happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and

making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

>

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out

for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, all. Thanks for your replies. Today I was able to wait until I felt the rumblings of stomach nudging. I had trouble stopping, though, until I read the posts and recognized that I don't want to be overly full. So I stopped and I'm fairly comfortable now, maybe a little too comfortable but not as full as I could be with the cease and desist signal. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:09 PMSubject: Re: help needed when to stop

Tai,

The key for me has been waiting until my stomach is grumbling before I start. Then I am able to eat more at a time and don't feel deprived. For example, right now I am GETTING hungry, but my stomach hasn't started rumbling yet. I've smelled my son's breakfast, and even though I discovered I don't really like his Pop Tarts, they smelled good. Just now I fed my daughter and her banana looked and smelled and felt perfect and I want one of those, but I didn't take a bite, because I know that in a few minutes to an hour, I will be genuinely hungry, and it's ONLY THEN when I will be able to tell clearly when I hit the point of not hungry and will be able to easily stop appropriately.

Jane

>

> OK, Sunny, but does it take long to get to that neutral place? I can be in that neutral place after 5 bites, if I stopped there my eating experience is over and I don't like that. Tai

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:39 PM

> Subject: Re: help needed when to stop

>

>

> Â

> But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about starving either. Just hungry.  Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again. When I feel completely neutral, I

am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm happiest and

> that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> Â

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

> Â

> Â

> Â

>

[Guest guest]

Jane, I like you do not receive emails, preferring to to read and post right at

the group site. I've also noticed the non-wrap posts, have contacted a couple of

people who seem to have this happening to their messages, and can only conclude

that its something to do with email settings? I too use Firefox but can scroll

over to read the llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll bar. Its

just one of those quirks one learns to tolerate when using a FREE service such

as this group site.

A big PS to ALL members is to please 'trim' your posts to just the section you

are replying to (and please do include those!) so that the Daily Digest emails

don't get overly LONG. This is a very active group and it has happened that

members drop off due to just the overwhelming email load.

THANKS!! Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Katcha, for some reason, this and occasional other posts I read on the group

" messages " section (I don't take the emails) run off the right hand side of the

screen and there is no way to move over there and read the rest of each line.

Do you know if this is some sort of browser incompatibility issue on my end (I

use Firefox), or whether it has something to do with how the poster submitted

it?

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

Jane, look at the bottom of your screen and see if you can find a left-to-right

scroll bar. That should help you read the rest of the message and get you over

to the " next " link too.

Katcha

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're

probably

> > > ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't

it? I

> > > hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so

we

> > > re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> > > ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> > > ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with

less

> > > onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a

carrot

> > > hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake

when you

> > > re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> > > reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> > > omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What

I do

> > > s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I

really

> > > o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> > > it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if

I do,

> > > will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as

possible

> > > ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood

sugars

> > > table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or

a

> > > tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

> > >

> > > Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I

really

> > > on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> > > an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem

to

> > > eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> > > ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or

full I

> > > m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if

it's

> > > ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There

are

> > > imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I

will eat

> > > omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> > > ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking

about

> > > tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I

am

> > > ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of

what I

> > > ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> > > e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might

really

> > > ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide

what

> > > ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> > > he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really

check in

> > > ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes

the

> > > dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel

a

> > > light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> > > hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> > > here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is

releasing

> > > eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> > >

> > > So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner?

Well,

> > > ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks

good,

> > > hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat

very

> > > ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to

me

> > > ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat

again,

> > > f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important

to me

> > > nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't

know

> > > xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to

be

> > > ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on

a

> > > eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market

and

> > > y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now

Tai

> > > nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever

did.

> > > 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> > > have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just

figuring out

> > > ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when

I'm

> > > o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

> > >

> > > Good luck to you.

> > >

> > > Sunny

> > >

> > >

> > > help needed when to stop

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> > > an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking

have no

> > > roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> > > ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of

that

> > > ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> > > ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out

with.

> > > hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> > > ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life,

etc. I

> > > at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> > > s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how

it's

> > > oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the

" cease

> > > nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -----------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jane. I've been listening more to my stomach lately, and really paying attention to it. The best time for me to really pay attention is in the morning when I wait until it starts talking. Today I noticed it went through two stages; one was when it was grumbling a little but I was not quite ready to eat, then I noticed it started gnawing. Once it reached the gnawing stage I knew that was not good, so I quickly made something to eat. It gets interesting as we listen to our stomach signals. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:09 PMSubject: Re: help needed when to stop

Tai,

The key for me has been waiting until my stomach is grumbling before I start. Then I am able to eat more at a time and don't feel deprived. For example, right now I am GETTING hungry, but my stomach hasn't started rumbling yet. I've smelled my son's breakfast, and even though I discovered I don't really like his Pop Tarts, they smelled good. Just now I fed my daughter and her banana looked and smelled and felt perfect and I want one of those, but I didn't take a bite, because I know that in a few minutes to an hour, I will be genuinely hungry, and it's ONLY THEN when I will be able to tell clearly when I hit the point of not hungry and will be able to easily stop appropriately.

Jane

>

> OK, Sunny, but does it take long to get to that neutral place? I can be in that neutral place after 5 bites, if I stopped there my eating experience is over and I don't like that. Tai

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: IntuitiveEating_Support

> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:39 PM

> Subject: Re: help needed when to stop

>

>

> Â

> But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about starving either. Just hungry.  Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again. When I feel completely neutral, I

am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm happiest and

> that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> Â

> Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

> Â

> Â

> Â

>

[Guest guest]

Katcha,

There is not any bottom scroll bar on the screen for me. I'm not sure why. I

know what you're talking about, but it hasn't been there.

I'll try to remember to trim the post I'm replying to. Some of these threads do

get pretty long.

Jane

>I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read the llloooonnnnggggg message by

dragging the bottom scroll bar.

[Guest guest]

Katcha,

There is not any bottom scroll bar on the screen for me. I'm not sure why. I

know what you're talking about, but it hasn't been there.

I'll try to remember to trim the post I'm replying to. Some of these threads do

get pretty long.

Jane

>I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read the llloooonnnnggggg message by

dragging the bottom scroll bar.

[Guest guest]

Katcha,

There is not any bottom scroll bar on the screen for me. I'm not sure why. I

know what you're talking about, but it hasn't been there.

I'll try to remember to trim the post I'm replying to. Some of these threads do

get pretty long.

Jane

>I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read the llloooonnnnggggg message by

dragging the bottom scroll bar.

[Guest guest]

I too use Firefox but can scroll over to

read the llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll

bar.

If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and install Toggle

Word Wrap.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

Once installed, you can force the words to wrap. Example: open one

of the long messages:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within <PRE> (I

know, it's a funny name). Now you can read the message without

having to scroll left and right.

Paddy

[Guest guest]

I too use Firefox but can scroll over to

read the llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll

bar.

If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and install Toggle

Word Wrap.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

Once installed, you can force the words to wrap. Example: open one

of the long messages:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within <PRE> (I

know, it's a funny name). Now you can read the message without

having to scroll left and right.

Paddy

[Guest guest]

I too use Firefox but can scroll over to

read the llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll

bar.

If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and install Toggle

Word Wrap.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

Once installed, you can force the words to wrap. Example: open one

of the long messages:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within <PRE> (I

know, it's a funny name). Now you can read the message without

having to scroll left and right.

Paddy

[Guest guest]

That would be frustrating - to not be able to read what goes off screen. I can

only guess as to why this is happening for you. Perhaps look at your settings in

Firefox? (Tools -> Options or View -> Page Style or Character Encoding?) Or as

another member suggested - see if this happens to you if you use Microsoft's

Internet Explorer for a browser. I have to do that for a few sites that don't

work well with Firefox. And if the problem continues even with Internet

Explorer, odds are its a setting on your computer (Control Panel -> Display?)

BEST wishes on correcting this for you :-)

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Katcha,

>

> There is not any bottom scroll bar on the screen for me. I'm not sure why. I

know what you're talking about, but it hasn't been there.

>

>

> I'll try to remember to trim the post I'm replying to. Some of these threads

do get pretty long.

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

That would be frustrating - to not be able to read what goes off screen. I can

only guess as to why this is happening for you. Perhaps look at your settings in

Firefox? (Tools -> Options or View -> Page Style or Character Encoding?) Or as

another member suggested - see if this happens to you if you use Microsoft's

Internet Explorer for a browser. I have to do that for a few sites that don't

work well with Firefox. And if the problem continues even with Internet

Explorer, odds are its a setting on your computer (Control Panel -> Display?)

BEST wishes on correcting this for you :-)

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Katcha,

>

> There is not any bottom scroll bar on the screen for me. I'm not sure why. I

know what you're talking about, but it hasn't been there.

>

>

> I'll try to remember to trim the post I'm replying to. Some of these threads

do get pretty long.

>

> Jane