Re: help needed when to stop

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sandy. Your post makes sense, but I'm hearing that the "no longer hungry" is the point at which we should stop, not the "full" signal. So I'm having trouble here knowing when I need to stop eating. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:10 AMSubject: Re: help needed

when to stop

Tai, For me eating just a plum would not have been enough and certainly I would have been hungry again in an hour. And 2 minutes wouldn't have been enough to experience SATISFACTION. Another thing for me I need to have a balanced feeding including some protein and fat along with the carb to keep my blood sugar stable and carry me over for a few hours. That's just me. But it sounds like you didn't have the satisfaction you wanted or were seeking. And with IE I think it is more than ok to enjoy the food/feeding. Sandy

Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone can help me with it. I know when I"m hungry now, and generally speaking have no problem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not hungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that now. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started out being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. Then I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and eating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I eat also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience is over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's going to work. I'd appreciate

thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the "cease and desist" signal, not merely the "no more hungry" signal. Tai

[Guest guest]

But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about starving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a

few more bites and check in again. When I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

[Guest guest]

Sunny, Great post!!!!! Sandy

 

Hi Jane, Sure you're welcome to ask anything you want of me or the group.    I have been working on IE for about 6 months now I think, though the first few months we awkward and trying to stumble along finding my way.  Before that, I was playing with the concept of IE but only as a weight loss tool and that didn't work so well.  I first used McKenna's program, I Can Make You Thin as a guide line but there's so much more behind IE as I came to find out when I joined this list.  My struggles with IE have been mainly giving up firmly engrained ideas from years of doctors, experts and diet programs telling us all the " facts " that messed us up. I also was looking for a magic bullet to weight loss.  I did gain weight (22 pounds) on an already 248 pound body and at 5'3 " that's a lot of weight. I whined and cried to this list about how I couldn't gain weight...well apparently I could and I did and got up to 270 which is my biggest all time record. I gained the weight by not doing the principles of honoring hunger/fullness.  I had no problem legalizing everything.  The food police died fairly easily.  Unfortunately I wasn't ready at that moment to hear and feel my own body signals yet.  Although I didn't allow myself to get full to the point of even mild discomfort, I did continue to graze and eat what I wanted.  Out of that, I gained a freedom like I've never known with food.  I'm no longer that neurotic mess who weighed, measured and journaled ever scrape of food.  Foods weren't good or bad anymore and neither was I.  That's pretty cool.

 

Here's the principles and where I am today with them:

 

1. Reject the Diet Mentality   First one I did, and it was super easy for me.  I knew there was something wrong with dieting all along but needed something else to replace it.  IE gave me that.

 

2. Honor Your Hunger   This one was pretty early too. I had no problem eating when I was hungry and not allowing myself to get overly hungry.  But I did and sometimes still do let my imagination decide if I'm hungry or not.  It's pretty easy to get lost in this one.

 

3. Make Peace with Food  this one was up there with #1, and I took them on together in the beginning.  again  no bad or good food.  That just made all the sense in the world to me.

 

4. Challenge the Food Police .This one can in 2nd after 1 & 3.  It was really quite easy for me.

 

5. Respect Your Fullness   This is where I am committed to learning now.  I am finding it easier by the day but fully expect it won't always be so.  I'd say this one started to click in the last 3 weeks.

 

6. Discover the Satisfaction Factor This is also something I am learning, gently and slowly as I go through the other steps, it just seems to strengthen on it's own.

 

7. Honor Your Feelings Without Using Food  I haven't really gotten into this one yet.  I don't seem to have a lot of emotional baggage.  I think I eat mostly out of habit, boredom and compulsion.  I was also a see-food-eater.  Saw it, ate it, full or not.  That is no longer the case so much now.  Don't know when this started to change.

 

8. Respect Your Body  I do take much better care of my body since I started seriously in with IE six months ago but I am not able to embrace my obesity.  I believe I have very realistic expectations of where I'd like my weight to end up (anything under 200 will make me a whole lot healthier) and I will get there because in order to respect my body I can't allow it to remain in this shape.  It's not fair to my organs or to my life.

 

9. Exercise--Feel the Difference   Hmmm...well the weather is nice here in Portland and I am just a lot more active.  I hate planned exercise and haven't found any joy in it but movement is something I can do gladly though I walk gently and do nothing that exerts, I am moving and enjoying it.  I do have a medical condition that makes exertion and overheating undesirable.

 

10 Honor Your Health-- For me, this entails weight loss.  I actually do eat very good quality foods, a lot of it organic, whole grain, lean meats, fruits, veggies, all by preference and my cholesterol numbers are fantastic for a person half my size.  My doctor just said today how amazing those numbers are especially when you figure my weight and age into it.  And no, she's never seen my actual weight. 

 

So that's where I am right now.  Don't let anyone tell you not to worry about gaining weight or losing it if it's important for your health.  Just plug along learning the principles and working them.  If you can do the hungry/not hungry earlier than I did, you'll be farther along sooner.  But if you can't right now, it's ok, you will eventually.  IE is a weight loss tool when you figure out what parts of it work best for you.

 

Sunny

help needed when to stop

> > > > > > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone can help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have no problem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not hungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that now. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started out being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. Then I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and eating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I eat also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience is over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's going to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease and desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

>

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[Guest guest]

Jane, I like you do not receive emails, preferring to to read and post right at

the group site. I've also noticed the non-wrap posts, have contacted a couple of

people who seem to have this happening to their messages, and can only conclude

that its something to do with email settings? I too use Firefox but can scroll

over to read the llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll bar. Its

just one of those quirks one learns to tolerate when using a FREE service such

as this group site.

A big PS to ALL members is to please 'trim' your posts to just the section you

are replying to (and please do include those!) so that the Daily Digest emails

don't get overly LONG. This is a very active group and it has happened that

members drop off due to just the overwhelming email load.

THANKS!! Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Katcha, for some reason, this and occasional other posts I read on the group

" messages " section (I don't take the emails) run off the right hand side of the

screen and there is no way to move over there and read the rest of each line.

Do you know if this is some sort of browser incompatibility issue on my end (I

use Firefox), or whether it has something to do with how the poster submitted

it?

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

Jane, I like you do not receive emails, preferring to to read and post right at

the group site. I've also noticed the non-wrap posts, have contacted a couple of

people who seem to have this happening to their messages, and can only conclude

that its something to do with email settings? I too use Firefox but can scroll

over to read the llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll bar. Its

just one of those quirks one learns to tolerate when using a FREE service such

as this group site.

A big PS to ALL members is to please 'trim' your posts to just the section you

are replying to (and please do include those!) so that the Daily Digest emails

don't get overly LONG. This is a very active group and it has happened that

members drop off due to just the overwhelming email load.

THANKS!! Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Katcha, for some reason, this and occasional other posts I read on the group

" messages " section (I don't take the emails) run off the right hand side of the

screen and there is no way to move over there and read the rest of each line.

Do you know if this is some sort of browser incompatibility issue on my end (I

use Firefox), or whether it has something to do with how the poster submitted

it?

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

Paddy,

Tried it but I don't seem to have a " View " option on this latest version of

Firefox, so can't seem to use the Toggle. I sure hope I didn't mess things up

by downloading it so that all my emails and such won't wrap! In reading more

about the add-on trying to figure out how to use it it appears that could

happen, but everything looks normal and I'm not sure how to test it for sure or

even how to uninstall it. Oh well. Thanks for trying to help.

Jane

>

> > I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read the

> > llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll bar.

>

>

> If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and install

> Toggle Word Wrap.

> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

>

> Once installed, you can force the words to wrap. Example: open

> one of the long messages:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

> Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within <PRE> (I know,

> it's a funny name). Now you can read the message without having

> to scroll left and right.

>

> Paddy

>

[Guest guest]

Jane, I'm puzzled that you don't have View. I have the latest

version of Firefox. Mind you, I'm guessing you use Windows, whereas

I don't.

The add-on turns on temporarily only when you ask it to, otherwise

it has no effect, so don't worry about it messing up anything.

I hope you find where the toggle is. On my machine, it says that you

can use Ctrl-Shift-M. Try that to see if it works for you.

Paddy

Paddy,

Tried it but I don't seem to have a "View" option on this

latest version of Firefox, so can't seem to use the

Toggle. I sure hope I didn't mess things up by downloading

it so that all my emails and such won't wrap! In reading

more about the add-on trying to figure out how to use it

it appears that could happen, but everything looks normal

and I'm not sure how to test it for sure or even how to

uninstall it. Oh well. Thanks for trying to help.

Jane

>

> > I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read

the

> > llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom

scroll bar.

>

>

> If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and

install

> Toggle Word Wrap.

> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

>

> Once installed, you can force the words to wrap.

Example: open

> one of the long messages:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

> Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within

<PRE> (I know,

> it's a funny name). Now you can read the message

without having

> to scroll left and right.

>

> Paddy

>

[Guest guest]

Paddy,

Thank you! Thank you! Problem solved! I was able to go back to that great

post from Sunny and wrap it and read it all conveniently and it was SO GOOD.

Thanks Sunny! Sorry to everybody else for the off-topic digression, but it was

keeping me from reading the IE stuff I need. Thanks for your patience.

Jane

> > >

> > > > I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read the

> > > > llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll bar.

> > >

> > >

> > > If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and install

> > > Toggle Word Wrap.

> > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

> > >

> > > Once installed, you can force the words to wrap. Example: open

> > > one of the long messages:

> > >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

> > > Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within <PRE> (I know,

> > > it's a funny name). Now you can read the message without having

> > > to scroll left and right.

> > >

> > > Paddy

> > >

> >

> >

>