Re: help needed when to stop

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Hi, Sandy. Your post makes sense, but I'm hearing that the "no longer hungry" is the point at which we should stop, not the "full" signal. So I'm having trouble here knowing when I need to stop eating. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:10 AMSubject: Re: help needed

when to stop

Tai, For me eating just a plum would not have been enough and certainly I would have been hungry again in an hour. And 2 minutes wouldn't have been enough to experience SATISFACTION. Another thing for me I need to have a balanced feeding including some protein and fat along with the carb to keep my blood sugar stable and carry me over for a few hours. That's just me. But it sounds like you didn't have the satisfaction you wanted or were seeking. And with IE I think it is more than ok to enjoy the food/feeding. Sandy

Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone can help me with it. I know when I"m hungry now, and generally speaking have no problem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not hungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that now. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started out being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. Then I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and eating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I eat also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience is over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's going to work. I'd appreciate

thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the "cease and desist" signal, not merely the "no more hungry" signal. Tai

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sunny, Thanks for the reminder about " releasing " weight vs. losing.  I loved that only couldn't remember the word.  It does make a lot of difference.  Releasing seems like an active yet gentle process like I might release a helium balloon into the air.  The losing does seem to bring up the idea that I will find it again, or maybe even go looking for it.  Sandy

 

Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're probably not hungry.  It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't it?  I think that's where the food enjoyment comes in.  We like it, we want it, so we are hungry aren't we?  Just a little?  Well, if food is supposed to be just fuel according to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are actually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with less consumed?  Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry.  Eating a carrot when you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake when you are hungry is not.  I totally believe that statement.  If I had a plum for breakfast I would still be hungry after eating it.  Like Sandy said, I also need something more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What I do is wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I really no longer hungry or do I still feel a bit empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if I do, I will eat more.  I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as possible because I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood sugars stable.  I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or a stick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

 

Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me.  I really don't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it.  I can't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late.  I seem to feel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating.  The hunger scale is too subjective.  There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or full I am. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if it's not possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it.  There are times when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I will eat something before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available.  But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger.  I'm not talking about starving either.  Just hungry.  Plain and simple.  Either I am hungry or I am not.  That part is pretty easy now.  Then I eat what I want to eat out of what I have available to me at the moment.  I don't have the patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want.  I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself.  Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in again.  When I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.  That's where I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

 

So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner?  Well, hungry is hungry right?  I start the choosing process again...what looks good, what sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare.  I eat very little packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to me sometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat.  No reason you can't eat again, if you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important to me anymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't know exactly when it changed or why.  It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to be very enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food.  I've been on a veggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market and my community garden both being in full swing.  But I'm releasing weight now Tai and that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever did.  I'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just figuring out how the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when I'm no longer hungry .  It just feels so right inside.

 

Good luck to you.

 

Sunny

help needed when to stop

Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone can help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have no problem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not hungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that now. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started out being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. Then I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and eating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I eat also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience is over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's going to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease and desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

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OK, Sunny, but does it take long to get to that neutral place? I can be in that neutral place after 5 bites, if I stopped there my eating experience is over and I don't like that. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:39 PMSubject: Re: help needed when to stop

But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about starving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or a hollow

feeling...I have a

few more bites and check in again. When I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

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OK, Sunny, but does it take long to get to that neutral place? I can be in that neutral place after 5 bites, if I stopped there my eating experience is over and I don't like that. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:39 PMSubject: Re: help needed when to stop

But lately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking about starving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I am not. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of what I have available to me at the moment. I don't have the patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might really want. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide what sounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what appeals the most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really check in with myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes the edge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel a slight gnawing or a hollow

feeling...I have a

few more bites and check in again. When I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full. That's where I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is releasing weight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

Sunny, I'm so glad I read this, it's really so helpful to me, I printed it out for future reference. Thanks! Judy T.

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Sunny, Great post!!!!! Sandy

 

Hi Jane, Sure you're welcome to ask anything you want of me or the group.    I have been working on IE for about 6 months now I think, though the first few months we awkward and trying to stumble along finding my way.  Before that, I was playing with the concept of IE but only as a weight loss tool and that didn't work so well.  I first used McKenna's program, I Can Make You Thin as a guide line but there's so much more behind IE as I came to find out when I joined this list.  My struggles with IE have been mainly giving up firmly engrained ideas from years of doctors, experts and diet programs telling us all the " facts " that messed us up. I also was looking for a magic bullet to weight loss.  I did gain weight (22 pounds) on an already 248 pound body and at 5'3 " that's a lot of weight. I whined and cried to this list about how I couldn't gain weight...well apparently I could and I did and got up to 270 which is my biggest all time record. I gained the weight by not doing the principles of honoring hunger/fullness.  I had no problem legalizing everything.  The food police died fairly easily.  Unfortunately I wasn't ready at that moment to hear and feel my own body signals yet.  Although I didn't allow myself to get full to the point of even mild discomfort, I did continue to graze and eat what I wanted.  Out of that, I gained a freedom like I've never known with food.  I'm no longer that neurotic mess who weighed, measured and journaled ever scrape of food.  Foods weren't good or bad anymore and neither was I.  That's pretty cool.

 

Here's the principles and where I am today with them:

 

1. Reject the Diet Mentality   First one I did, and it was super easy for me.  I knew there was something wrong with dieting all along but needed something else to replace it.  IE gave me that.

 

2. Honor Your Hunger   This one was pretty early too. I had no problem eating when I was hungry and not allowing myself to get overly hungry.  But I did and sometimes still do let my imagination decide if I'm hungry or not.  It's pretty easy to get lost in this one.

 

3. Make Peace with Food  this one was up there with #1, and I took them on together in the beginning.  again  no bad or good food.  That just made all the sense in the world to me.

 

4. Challenge the Food Police .This one can in 2nd after 1 & 3.  It was really quite easy for me.

 

5. Respect Your Fullness   This is where I am committed to learning now.  I am finding it easier by the day but fully expect it won't always be so.  I'd say this one started to click in the last 3 weeks.

 

6. Discover the Satisfaction Factor This is also something I am learning, gently and slowly as I go through the other steps, it just seems to strengthen on it's own.

 

7. Honor Your Feelings Without Using Food  I haven't really gotten into this one yet.  I don't seem to have a lot of emotional baggage.  I think I eat mostly out of habit, boredom and compulsion.  I was also a see-food-eater.  Saw it, ate it, full or not.  That is no longer the case so much now.  Don't know when this started to change.

 

8. Respect Your Body  I do take much better care of my body since I started seriously in with IE six months ago but I am not able to embrace my obesity.  I believe I have very realistic expectations of where I'd like my weight to end up (anything under 200 will make me a whole lot healthier) and I will get there because in order to respect my body I can't allow it to remain in this shape.  It's not fair to my organs or to my life.

 

9. Exercise--Feel the Difference   Hmmm...well the weather is nice here in Portland and I am just a lot more active.  I hate planned exercise and haven't found any joy in it but movement is something I can do gladly though I walk gently and do nothing that exerts, I am moving and enjoying it.  I do have a medical condition that makes exertion and overheating undesirable.

 

10 Honor Your Health-- For me, this entails weight loss.  I actually do eat very good quality foods, a lot of it organic, whole grain, lean meats, fruits, veggies, all by preference and my cholesterol numbers are fantastic for a person half my size.  My doctor just said today how amazing those numbers are especially when you figure my weight and age into it.  And no, she's never seen my actual weight. 

 

So that's where I am right now.  Don't let anyone tell you not to worry about gaining weight or losing it if it's important for your health.  Just plug along learning the principles and working them.  If you can do the hungry/not hungry earlier than I did, you'll be farther along sooner.  But if you can't right now, it's ok, you will eventually.  IE is a weight loss tool when you figure out what parts of it work best for you.

 

Sunny

help needed when to stop

> > > > > > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone can help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking have no problem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not hungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that now. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started out being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. Then I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and eating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I eat also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience is over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's going to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the " cease and desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

>

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Sandy, I love this board also and well I guess I'm not watching as much TV. My eyelids are finally heavy, I can soon go to sleep (I hope). You take care. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:40 PMSubject: Re: help needed when to stop

Tai, I guess I try to use the hunger scale(although not formerly anymore) and to also include the satisfaction in that. I will go read those sections again. Did that "no longer hungry" idea come from a different book or what? Boy I spend too much time on my computer. I just love being here though. I'd better go move a little. Sandy

Hi, Sandy. Your post makes sense, but I'm hearing that the "no longer hungry" is the point at which we should stop, not the "full" signal. So I'm having trouble here knowing when I need to stop eating. Tai

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:10 AMSubject: Re: help needed

when to stop

Tai, For me eating just a plum would not have been enough and certainly I would have been hungry again in an hour. And 2 minutes wouldn't have been enough to experience SATISFACTION. Another thing for me I need to have a balanced feeding including some protein and fat along with the carb to keep my blood sugar stable and carry me over for a few hours. That's just me. But it sounds like you didn't have the satisfaction you wanted or were seeking. And with IE I think it is more than ok to enjoy the food/feeding. Sandy

Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe someone can help me with it. I know when I"m hungry now, and generally speaking have no problem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not hungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of that now. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I started out being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out with. Then I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and eating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life, etc. I eat also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating experience is over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how it's going to work. I'd appreciate

thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the "cease and desist" signal, not merely the "no more hungry" signal. Tai

[Guest guest]

Jane, look at the bottom of your screen and see if you can find a left-to-right

scroll bar. That should help you read the rest of the message and get you over

to the " next " link too.

Katcha

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're

probably

> > > ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't

it? I

> > > hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so

we

> > > re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> > > ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> > > ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with

less

> > > onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a

carrot

> > > hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake

when you

> > > re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> > > reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> > > omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What

I do

> > > s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I

really

> > > o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> > > it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if

I do,

> > > will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as

possible

> > > ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood

sugars

> > > table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or

a

> > > tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

> > >

> > > Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I

really

> > > on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> > > an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem

to

> > > eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> > > ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or

full I

> > > m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if

it's

> > > ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There

are

> > > imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I

will eat

> > > omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> > > ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking

about

> > > tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I

am

> > > ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of

what I

> > > ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> > > e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might

really

> > > ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide

what

> > > ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> > > he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really

check in

> > > ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes

the

> > > dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel

a

> > > light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> > > hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> > > here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is

releasing

> > > eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> > >

> > > So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner?

Well,

> > > ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks

good,

> > > hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat

very

> > > ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to

me

> > > ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat

again,

> > > f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important

to me

> > > nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't

know

> > > xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to

be

> > > ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on

a

> > > eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market

and

> > > y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now

Tai

> > > nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever

did.

> > > 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> > > have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just

figuring out

> > > ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when

I'm

> > > o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

> > >

> > > Good luck to you.

> > >

> > > Sunny

> > >

> > >

> > > help needed when to stop

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> > > an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking

have no

> > > roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> > > ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of

that

> > > ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> > > ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out

with.

> > > hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> > > ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life,

etc. I

> > > at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> > > s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how

it's

> > > oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the

" cease

> > > nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -----------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jane, look at the bottom of your screen and see if you can find a left-to-right

scroll bar. That should help you read the rest of the message and get you over

to the " next " link too.

Katcha

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Tai, I laughed when I read your description of eating when you're

probably

> > > ot hungry. It is so easy to convince ourselves that we are hungry isn't

it? I

> > > hink that's where the food enjoyment comes in. We like it, we want it, so

we

> > > re hungry aren't we? Just a little? Well, if food is supposed to be just

fuel

> > > ccording to the books, and it's supposed to taste so much better if we are

> > > ctually hungry, wouldn't that give you more enjoyment of the food with

less

> > > onsumed? Don't forget, you can always eat if you're hungry. Eating a

carrot

> > > hen you're not hungry is overeating, but eating a slice of carrot cake

when you

> > > re hungry is not. I totally believe that statement. If I had a plum for

> > > reakfast I would still be hungry after eating it. Like Sandy said, I also

need

> > > omething more substantial, with protein and fat to balance the carbs. What

I do

> > > s wait a few minutes after finishing what I think I wanted and see am I

really

> > > o longer hungry or do I still feel a b

> > > it empty or even a slight gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach and if

I do,

> > > will eat more. I also try to pair up carbs and protein as often as

possible

> > > ecause I am diabetic and it just works better that way to keep my blood

sugars

> > > table. I would have had a little Greek yogurt with that plum I think, or

a

> > > tick of some nice co-jack cheese, or a bit of havarti cheese.

> > >

> > > Waiting for the cease and desist signal is waaaay too full for me. I

really

> > > on't like to feel uncomfortable after eating and I never have liked it. I

> > > an't distinguish full very well until it seems like it's too late. I seem

to

> > > eel fuller 15-20 minutes after I stop eating. The hunger scale is too

> > > ubjective. There's too much room for fooling myself about how hungry or

full I

> > > m. So I wait til I feel hunger before I eat, whenever possible...and if

it's

> > > ot possible to wait for true hunger, then I eat and get over it. There

are

> > > imes when we are going somewhere and won't have food for a while, so I

will eat

> > > omething before leaving, to hold me off until food will be available. But

> > > ately, I've really been trying to wait for true hunger. I'm not talking

about

> > > tarving either. Just hungry. Plain and simple. Either I am hungry or I

am

> > > ot. That part is pretty easy now. Then I eat what I want to eat out of

what I

> > > ave available to me at the moment. I don't have th

> > > e patience to make myself crazy about trying to figure out what I might

really

> > > ant. I look in the fridge (or the menu), see what we have, and decide

what

> > > ounds good based upon the time I have, the effort it will take and what

appeals

> > > he most without giving it a lot of thought. Every few bites, I really

check in

> > > ith myself. Do I still feel hunger...maybe not, for me a few bites takes

the

> > > dge off and I don't feel actual hunger...but at the same time i still feel

a

> > > light gnawing or a hollow feeling...I have a few more bites and check in

again.

> > > hen I feel completely neutral, I am no longer hungry and I am not full.

That's

> > > here I'm happiest and that's what my body seems to love since it is

releasing

> > > eight and making me feel comfortable and cared for at the same time.

> > >

> > > So what happens if I do get hungry in a couple hours or even sooner?

Well,

> > > ungry is hungry right? I start the choosing process again...what looks

good,

> > > hat sounds good, what is quick or what do I have time to prepare. I eat

very

> > > ittle packaged food so how long it will take really makes a difference to

me

> > > ometimes. After choosing what appeals, I eat. No reason you can't eat

again,

> > > f you're hungry. Eating for the enjoyment of eating is not that important

to me

> > > nymore but is was, extremely important, and not that long ago. I don't

know

> > > xactly when it changed or why. It just has. Sweet things are too sweet to

be

> > > ery enjoyable now so I mostly am choosing to eat real food. I've been on

a

> > > eggie kick lately but that might have to do with the local Farmer's Market

and

> > > y community garden both being in full swing. But I'm releasing weight now

Tai

> > > nd that feels so much better to me than eating just for eating sake ever

did.

> > > 'm so committed to the IE lifestyle and I

> > > have to be committed to weight loss too, for my own sake. I'm just

figuring out

> > > ow the two can work well together so it's becoming quite easy to stop when

I'm

> > > o longer hungry . It just feels so right inside.

> > >

> > > Good luck to you.

> > >

> > > Sunny

> > >

> > >

> > > help needed when to stop

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Jane and Sunny, and others -- this is the problem I'm having, maybe

someone

> > > an help me with it. I know when I " m hungry now, and generally speaking

have no

> > > roblem waiting until then. OK, there are times I eat when I'm probably not

> > > ungry and might convince myself that maybe I am, but I'm not speaking of

that

> > > ow. The issue is when to stop. As an example, yesterday for breakfast I

started

> > > ut being hungry (a good thing). I had a rather large plum to start out

with.

> > > hen I no longer felt hungry. BUT I wanted to eat more because sitting and

> > > ating is a pleasure for me. I don't eat to live so I can go on in life,

etc. I

> > > at also not just from need, but for the enjoyment, and if the eating

experience

> > > s over in less than 2 minutes because I ate a plum, then I don't see how

it's

> > > oing to work. I'd appreciate thoughts on this. Usually I wait for the

" cease

> > > nd desist " signal, not merely the " no more hungry " signal. Tai

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -----------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Paddy,

Tried it but I don't seem to have a " View " option on this latest version of

Firefox, so can't seem to use the Toggle. I sure hope I didn't mess things up

by downloading it so that all my emails and such won't wrap! In reading more

about the add-on trying to figure out how to use it it appears that could

happen, but everything looks normal and I'm not sure how to test it for sure or

even how to uninstall it. Oh well. Thanks for trying to help.

Jane

>

> > I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read the

> > llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom scroll bar.

>

>

> If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and install

> Toggle Word Wrap.

> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

>

> Once installed, you can force the words to wrap. Example: open

> one of the long messages:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

> Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within <PRE> (I know,

> it's a funny name). Now you can read the message without having

> to scroll left and right.

>

> Paddy

>

[Guest guest]

Jane, I'm puzzled that you don't have View. I have the latest

version of Firefox. Mind you, I'm guessing you use Windows, whereas

I don't.

The add-on turns on temporarily only when you ask it to, otherwise

it has no effect, so don't worry about it messing up anything.

I hope you find where the toggle is. On my machine, it says that you

can use Ctrl-Shift-M. Try that to see if it works for you.

Paddy

Paddy,

Tried it but I don't seem to have a "View" option on this

latest version of Firefox, so can't seem to use the

Toggle. I sure hope I didn't mess things up by downloading

it so that all my emails and such won't wrap! In reading

more about the add-on trying to figure out how to use it

it appears that could happen, but everything looks normal

and I'm not sure how to test it for sure or even how to

uninstall it. Oh well. Thanks for trying to help.

Jane

>

> > I too use Firefox but can scroll over to read

the

> > llloooonnnnggggg message by dragging the bottom

scroll bar.

>

>

> If you use Firefox, head over to the extensions and

install

> Toggle Word Wrap.

> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

>

> Once installed, you can force the words to wrap.

Example: open

> one of the long messages:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IntuitiveEating_Support/message/32119

> Then go to the menu option View > Word Wrap within

<PRE> (I know,

> it's a funny name). Now you can read the message

without having

> to scroll left and right.

>

> Paddy

>