Guest guest Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PMSubject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PMSubject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little " guilty " but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Tai, Thanks for all your posts. I enjoy talking to you very much too. I did some research tonight and discovered that 7 of my 7 medications can affect my liver enzymes as well as having too much fat stored in the liver. Can't wait to talk to doctor about this! I got worked up about it though and couldn't get to sleep. I get like that sometimes and I know it isn't helping any. At least I can take a nap tomorrow. That's one good thing about being retired. Sandy Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little " guilty " but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Tai, Thanks for all your posts. I enjoy talking to you very much too. I did some research tonight and discovered that 7 of my 7 medications can affect my liver enzymes as well as having too much fat stored in the liver. Can't wait to talk to doctor about this! I got worked up about it though and couldn't get to sleep. I get like that sometimes and I know it isn't helping any. At least I can take a nap tomorrow. That's one good thing about being retired. Sandy Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little " guilty " but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Tai, Thanks for all your posts. I enjoy talking to you very much too. I did some research tonight and discovered that 7 of my 7 medications can affect my liver enzymes as well as having too much fat stored in the liver. Can't wait to talk to doctor about this! I got worked up about it though and couldn't get to sleep. I get like that sometimes and I know it isn't helping any. At least I can take a nap tomorrow. That's one good thing about being retired. Sandy Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little " guilty " but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Sandy, I would ask your doctor if you can get along without some of those meds. He might be reluctant to take you off any of them. I've been told many things by doctors. One guy (doctor) wanted to prescribe diet medication and I expressed my fear or reluctance to take it. He actually got upset with me and chastised me blah blah blah. "I don't understand you," I remember he said. "You'd rather take the risk of being overweight, but not the medication," he asked. (LOL now, I say.) Of course I didn't feel better because of his ridiculous chastising (I maybe was 215 at that time and I'm 5' 5" and I told him I wanted to lose weight, but couldn't so he wanted to prescribe meds.) Last time I spoke to my doc (a different one) about bladder control problems, she prescribed meds. I was so constipated that after a week I never took them again. Now I wear incontinence pads, I'm happier that way, bought padded panties on ebay at a discount, and I'm happy to say that after all these years my bowels are working better anyway. I've been a long-time researcher into various drugs because of my own situation. My doctors, when I see them, know that I don't like doctors. :-) that's one of the first things I tell a doctor, I say it's nothing personal, but I don't like doctors. I have a feeling they learn to put up with this in seminars or when they go to advanced med school, LOL. I learned to take doctor's advice with my own grain of salt. I know how it feels to be worked up over something and like you, I'm sure glad I don't have to go to work, or always have to get up early in the morning. It's late, like 11 AM now as I'm writing this, but it's OK for me, I cannot live for other people's expectations of me all the time. Glad you did the research and hopefully will be able to ask your doc questions soon about your treatment. You also might want to talk to the pharmacist, who usually knows more about medication. I go through my up's and down's, but the older i get, the happier I get. I still have my problems. It was a long trip getting here, one I would not like to repeat, but I'm here and it took me a struggle, lots of reading. One of my favorite authors was Dr. Theodor Szasz, a psychiatrist and teacher. His writings helped me enormously and I wrote to him to thank him years ago by snail mail. I don't know if he's still alive. The older I get I am more protective of myself. You might want to ask what is the benefit and risk of each of the meds and if they might counteract one another. Docs think now that too many people are relying on the internet for their information and it could be true in some cases because there are many remedies promoted that don't work and could in fact, hurt ... but you have an absolute right to ask. and then make your decision accordingly. Lots of regards, TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:48 AMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, Thanks for all your posts. I enjoy talking to you very much too. I did some research tonight and discovered that 7 of my 7 medications can affect my liver enzymes as well as having too much fat stored in the liver. Can't wait to talk to doctor about this! I got worked up about it though and couldn't get to sleep. I get like that sometimes and I know it isn't helping any. At least I can take a nap tomorrow. That's one good thing about being retired. Sandy Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Sandy, I would ask your doctor if you can get along without some of those meds. He might be reluctant to take you off any of them. I've been told many things by doctors. One guy (doctor) wanted to prescribe diet medication and I expressed my fear or reluctance to take it. He actually got upset with me and chastised me blah blah blah. "I don't understand you," I remember he said. "You'd rather take the risk of being overweight, but not the medication," he asked. (LOL now, I say.) Of course I didn't feel better because of his ridiculous chastising (I maybe was 215 at that time and I'm 5' 5" and I told him I wanted to lose weight, but couldn't so he wanted to prescribe meds.) Last time I spoke to my doc (a different one) about bladder control problems, she prescribed meds. I was so constipated that after a week I never took them again. Now I wear incontinence pads, I'm happier that way, bought padded panties on ebay at a discount, and I'm happy to say that after all these years my bowels are working better anyway. I've been a long-time researcher into various drugs because of my own situation. My doctors, when I see them, know that I don't like doctors. :-) that's one of the first things I tell a doctor, I say it's nothing personal, but I don't like doctors. I have a feeling they learn to put up with this in seminars or when they go to advanced med school, LOL. I learned to take doctor's advice with my own grain of salt. I know how it feels to be worked up over something and like you, I'm sure glad I don't have to go to work, or always have to get up early in the morning. It's late, like 11 AM now as I'm writing this, but it's OK for me, I cannot live for other people's expectations of me all the time. Glad you did the research and hopefully will be able to ask your doc questions soon about your treatment. You also might want to talk to the pharmacist, who usually knows more about medication. I go through my up's and down's, but the older i get, the happier I get. I still have my problems. It was a long trip getting here, one I would not like to repeat, but I'm here and it took me a struggle, lots of reading. One of my favorite authors was Dr. Theodor Szasz, a psychiatrist and teacher. His writings helped me enormously and I wrote to him to thank him years ago by snail mail. I don't know if he's still alive. The older I get I am more protective of myself. You might want to ask what is the benefit and risk of each of the meds and if they might counteract one another. Docs think now that too many people are relying on the internet for their information and it could be true in some cases because there are many remedies promoted that don't work and could in fact, hurt ... but you have an absolute right to ask. and then make your decision accordingly. Lots of regards, TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:48 AMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, Thanks for all your posts. I enjoy talking to you very much too. I did some research tonight and discovered that 7 of my 7 medications can affect my liver enzymes as well as having too much fat stored in the liver. Can't wait to talk to doctor about this! I got worked up about it though and couldn't get to sleep. I get like that sometimes and I know it isn't helping any. At least I can take a nap tomorrow. That's one good thing about being retired. Sandy Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Sandy, I would ask your doctor if you can get along without some of those meds. He might be reluctant to take you off any of them. I've been told many things by doctors. One guy (doctor) wanted to prescribe diet medication and I expressed my fear or reluctance to take it. He actually got upset with me and chastised me blah blah blah. "I don't understand you," I remember he said. "You'd rather take the risk of being overweight, but not the medication," he asked. (LOL now, I say.) Of course I didn't feel better because of his ridiculous chastising (I maybe was 215 at that time and I'm 5' 5" and I told him I wanted to lose weight, but couldn't so he wanted to prescribe meds.) Last time I spoke to my doc (a different one) about bladder control problems, she prescribed meds. I was so constipated that after a week I never took them again. Now I wear incontinence pads, I'm happier that way, bought padded panties on ebay at a discount, and I'm happy to say that after all these years my bowels are working better anyway. I've been a long-time researcher into various drugs because of my own situation. My doctors, when I see them, know that I don't like doctors. :-) that's one of the first things I tell a doctor, I say it's nothing personal, but I don't like doctors. I have a feeling they learn to put up with this in seminars or when they go to advanced med school, LOL. I learned to take doctor's advice with my own grain of salt. I know how it feels to be worked up over something and like you, I'm sure glad I don't have to go to work, or always have to get up early in the morning. It's late, like 11 AM now as I'm writing this, but it's OK for me, I cannot live for other people's expectations of me all the time. Glad you did the research and hopefully will be able to ask your doc questions soon about your treatment. You also might want to talk to the pharmacist, who usually knows more about medication. I go through my up's and down's, but the older i get, the happier I get. I still have my problems. It was a long trip getting here, one I would not like to repeat, but I'm here and it took me a struggle, lots of reading. One of my favorite authors was Dr. Theodor Szasz, a psychiatrist and teacher. His writings helped me enormously and I wrote to him to thank him years ago by snail mail. I don't know if he's still alive. The older I get I am more protective of myself. You might want to ask what is the benefit and risk of each of the meds and if they might counteract one another. Docs think now that too many people are relying on the internet for their information and it could be true in some cases because there are many remedies promoted that don't work and could in fact, hurt ... but you have an absolute right to ask. and then make your decision accordingly. Lots of regards, TaiTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:48 AMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, Thanks for all your posts. I enjoy talking to you very much too. I did some research tonight and discovered that 7 of my 7 medications can affect my liver enzymes as well as having too much fat stored in the liver. Can't wait to talk to doctor about this! I got worked up about it though and couldn't get to sleep. I get like that sometimes and I know it isn't helping any. At least I can take a nap tomorrow. That's one good thing about being retired. Sandy Sandy, I'm enjoying the trip here on this board and I like talking to you very much. I have been through so much in my life. My faith in God is what sustains me. I generally do not talk about myself as to emotional waves in the past, but since you mentioned bipolar, I have never been diagnosed with that (other things), but I was on medication for many many years. Certainly emotional problems or upheavals can have an effect on our attitude towards food. I literally remember the day I looked at food as if it was my greatest pleasure and yes, it was an emotional crisis. All I wanted was doughnuts and my mother refused to let me have as much as I wanted because she didn't want me to get fat. Of course, when I was out of her reach I ate as much as I wanted and of course, most of the time was fat. She and my family always loved it when I went on a diet and lost weight. I know now that I probably can never diet again, but my health is involved, and like you, must consider my relationship now to food, not a diet. Otherwise I feel I will never get well. I am doing much, much better, even though my relatives are telling me they don't see any weight loss. I was disappointed and slid back for a while because I knew without weighing myself that I lost weight. But now I'm back on the thinking track again. I appreciate that. I was reading something (not on the subject of food tonight) and came to realize how deeply our minds are connected with everything we've been taught and observed in life. Our reasoning can be skewed and we need help and assistance to carry on. If I didn't think I needed desperately to lose weight, and keep it off, I wouldn't be here trying to help myself. You take care. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:27 PMSubject: Re: listening to my body Tai, I think that might also be related to the type of food you have. For me just the carb(fruit) is not enough, not even with protein. I seem to do better with a little fat in the mix too. I try to use a healthy unsaturated fat. I think maybe my 2nd feeding of pudding and fruit may not have had enough protein even though there is the milk and I add walnuts(protein and healthy fat). But I am feeling tired and not so clear thinking as when I have too much sugar and then crash. Just exploring. I am not getting enough good sleep either. I am bipolar and though it is fairly well controlled I go through these periods of being up late at night. Of course that might just be related to my circadian rhythms, or maybe it is my body just telling me I need a nap. So much to figure out. Sandy. Sandy, hi. It is nice that you can realize that you were not satisfied and so ate something nourishing. I do the same thing sometimes. Sometimes I am tempted to have goodies instead, but not often. Usually I choose nourishing foods to satisfy myself, even if they're pistachios, lol. I started with my usual cup of coffee and waited until I felt hunger signals, maybe 1/2 hour after. I did have my piece of fruit (a small plum) to begin with and 2 slices of bagel (whole wheat, not that I always have whole wheat), one with peanut butter and the other with my own hummus concoction. I did not note the time but it was about 45 minutes ago. I feel thoroughly satisfied, not overly full. I was wondering at first how much food do I really need to make me feel satisfied for a while? The plum was kind of small, not big like yesterday's plum, so that made me feel better mentally when I looked at the plum. Of course I had my coffee, too. Now, we'll see how long this lasts. Tai To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: listening to my body Today I ate breakfast late for me and I was very hungry. I had 2 eggs and toast but not my usual mixed fruit bowl. Less than 2 hours later I was so hungry again, so I had pudding and when that didn't satisfy I had a bowl of fruit. I was feeling a little "guilty" but decided to go with it. As I was eating I was able to reframe that as my body had missed that fruit. I wasn't SATISFIED and really hadn't eaten enough not in volume but in type. My body wanted a balanced feeding. I also think my body may be making up for yesterday when I was dealing with IBS and ate poorly. 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