Re: Bromelain, a Natural Pain Reliever

[Guest guest]

I tried bromelain two separate times for two months each. It worked, however I became severly allergic to it. It caused heart palpatations and panic attacks. Once I stopped taking it, the heart and panic problems stopped.

Sue

-----Original Message-----From: Harald Weiss, Technical Marketing Group [mailto:hw@...]Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:29 PMrheumatic Subject: rheumatic Bromelain, a Natural Pain RelieverDear Group,The text below is from a 36-page unsolicited mailer that came to my house to sell a subscription to Health & Healing by n Whitaker , M.D., head of the Whitaker Wellness Center in Newport Beach, California. Twelve issues cost $49.95, phone 800-211-7657. http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.aspA NEW DISCOVERY COMPLETELY ERASES JOINT AND MUSCLE PAINIt doesn't matter whether the doctor says you have arthritis, chronic tendinitis, or simply the stiffness of "old age." Your days and years of aches, pain and stiffness are over, and you will soon return to a fully active life. The makers of pain relievers and prescription pain killers may go out of business because of this incredible discovery...Aspirin, ibuprofen and other NSAIDs burn holes in your stomach. Cortisone causes osteoporosis. Celebrex can irritate your gut and empty your bank account. Percocet and codeine are addictive. In fact, every pain medication has a dark side.Until now, natural pain relievers have also been a mixed blessing. Perhaps you've tried glucosamine sulfate or chondroitin sulfate. I often recommend these powerful nutrients myself. However, both of these work to reduce pain for some people, but not others. Sometimes I use DMSO for quick relief of arthritis, soft tissue injury, or tendinitis. As you know, DMSO is the colorless, odorless liquid that soaks through your skin faster than alcohol. But DMSO is inconvenient, goes bad easily, makes your breath smell like garlic and can carry toxins right through the skin into the bloodstream if you're not careful.My first choice natural pain relieverHere's the secret: we recently discovered the best natural pain reliever right here at the Whitaker Wellness Institute -- natural plant enzymes, which nutritionists previously used only to improve digestion.Plant enzymes are not only effective for curing pain, but also preventing it, and best of all, they are among the least expensive supplements in the health food store. (In my monthly newsletter, Health & Healing, I take special pride in providing solutions you can afford -- what's the sense of recommending a natural supplement if it costs $100 per month?)Bromelain extracted from pineapples is my enzyme of choice. Don't worry about all of the other natural enzymes on the shelf -- this one is the best. How does it work? Arthritis, tendinitis, and what we call "stiffness" are all forms of tissue inflammation with different causes. Simply said, when your tissues become engorged with fluid and have nowhere to expand, the nerves register this pressure as pain.As you digest bromelain, it enters your bloodstream and neutralizes the chemicals that trigger inflammation. As a result, you feel a great easing of the pain, aches, and stiffness.Bromelain also facilitates wound healing and increases the effectiveness of other herbal remedies. Most natural medicine practitioners don't realize that although bromelain is an excellent enzyme for helping you digest a heavy meal, if you want to use it for pain relief, you must take it on an empty stomach. Otherwise, most of its power will be expended in the digestion process.If you are allergic pineapple, or need extra pain relief, don't reach for the Tylenol. Use both of these other new herbal pain relievers, instead:B. serrata: Extracted from the resin of an Indian tree, B. serrata has excellent anti-inflammatory properties. One study involved 175 patients with rheumatoid arthritis so severe they were permanently bedridden or unable to work. After taking 400 mg of B. serrata daily for eight weeks, an astonishing 88% reported improvement.Herb #3: A member of the chrysanthemum family, Herb #3 is very good for both arthritis and migraine headaches. Herb #3 is much more effective than commercial pain relievers for reducing prostaglandins, the chemicals that cause inflammation. This herb is especially helpful for sufferers of rheumatoid arthritis.2002 has brought special gifts for pain sufferers, at least at the Whitaker Wellness Institute. If you're in pain, there is no reason for you to suffer another day. I'd like you to have a copy of my new report: An End to Arthritis and Joint Pain, free with your Health & Healing subscription. This guide fully explains how to use bromelain, B. Serrata and Herb #3, which brands are best, and where to get them.Add Strength & Flexibility to Pain ReliefAs a Health & Healing subscriber, my first goal is to give you freedom from pain so you can enjoy life.That's just the beginning: I also want you to have strength, flexibility and more resilient joints and muscles: this body has to last us a long time!In Health & Healing, you'll learn about the latest breakthroughs for repairing damaged joints, rebuilding cartilage and regaining full use of your muscles and tendons, even if you can hardly get out of bed right now. We have new natural techniques that can restore your strength and range of motion quickly?this is an exciting time to be practicing medicine!Also, I give subscribers secrets to help prevent the diseases that can cripple: rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis?even gout. I want you to be active, mobile and free as long as you're on this planet.My report, An End to Arthritis and Joint Pain is a great start -- request your free copy today.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Boxers Bounce Back Better with BromelainWho better than professional prize fighters to test the injury-healing properties of bromelain? In one little-known study, 74 injured boxers were given bromelain after they received their blows in the ring, and another 72 were given a placebo.Within FOUR DAYS, 58 of the 74 bromelain treated boxers had COMPLETELY HEALED. In the placebo group, only ten of the 72 had complete healing in four days -- the rest took seven to fourteen days to heal.So, next time you get a bump or bruise, reach for the natural bromelain and be as good as new in no time! See my report for instructions -- but don't set foot in a boxing ring unless you take my favorite energy and vision supplements too!To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

I tried the bromelain enzyme very early in my RA and found that it

did absolutely nothing for me. It was very expensive. How many

times a day do you have an " empty " stomach? Just thought I

would add my two cents.

Esther

>

[Guest guest]

Bromelaine and I mean ALOT of it, did nothing for me either. Just my two cents,

[Guest guest]

For what its worth, here is my opinion...I recently added, OPC's to my supplements Per Carper, Miracle Cures, it is supposed to help with vascular problems, leakiness, swelling, etc..the bottle said strengthens collagen, which, admittedly, gave me second thoughts..but I decided to try it, as I had begun swelling..after 2 weeks, the swelling is still evident, but the burning associated with the swelling is almost non-existant..so we shall see...point with the Bromelain is this, I had stopped taking it to try and limit my supplements and also to see if it was doing anything for me..After 3 weeks off, I have noticed an increase in stiffness and pain, especially in the afternoons and evening..to be completely honest, DR W, my AP DR had me lower my evening dose of the minocin to 50 mg..so I take 100 mg in the am and 50 in the pm....while this could have contributed to the increased pain and stiffness, it also could have been the lack of Bromelain..Dr W's thinking was that I am reacting to the minocin and he wanted to lower the dosage a bit..I started the lower dosage 3 weeks ago and stopped the Bromelain..Germany's Commision E stated that Bromelain was tested for 10 days consecutively, so I was unsure of the safety issue..I have now started the Bromelain again and will keep you posted...BTW, I take Natures Way Bromelain, 500 mg...and I take it away from food..If the stiffness and pain go away, then I guess I will know it is working for me...take care, DEBB

[Guest guest]

How do we find out who is right? Is Sue's experience individual and unique?

Jack Blumenthal

Olean, NY

--

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:36:41

Kapr, Sue wrote:

>I tried bromelain two separate times for two months each. It worked,

>however I became severly allergic to it. It caused heart palpatations and

>panic attacks. Once I stopped taking it, the heart and panic problems

>stopped.

>

>Sue

>

> rheumatic Bromelain, a Natural Pain Reliever

>

>

>Dear Group,

>

>The text below is from a 36-page unsolicited mailer that came to my house to

>sell a subscription to Health & Healing by n Whitaker , M.D., head of

>the Whitaker Wellness Center in Newport Beach, California. Twelve issues

>cost $49.95, phone 800-211-7657. http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.

><http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.asp> asp

><http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.asp>

>

>

>A NEW DISCOVERY COMPLETELY ERASES JOINT AND MUSCLE PAIN

>

>It doesn't matter whether the doctor says you have arthritis, chronic

>tendinitis, or simply the stiffness of " old age. " Your days and years of

>aches, pain and stiffness are over, and you will soon return to a fully

>active life. The makers of pain relievers and prescription pain killers may

>go out of business because of this incredible discovery...

>

>Aspirin, ibuprofen and other NSAIDs burn holes in your stomach. Cortisone

>causes osteoporosis. Celebrex can irritate your gut and empty your bank

>account. Percocet and codeine are addictive. In fact, every pain medication

>has a dark side.

>

>Until now, natural pain relievers have also been a mixed blessing. Perhaps

>you've tried glucosamine sulfate or chondroitin sulfate. I often recommend

>these powerful nutrients myself. However, both of these work to reduce pain

>for some people, but not others.

>

>Sometimes I use DMSO for quick relief of arthritis, soft tissue injury, or

>tendinitis. As you know, DMSO is the colorless, odorless liquid that soaks

>through your skin faster than alcohol. But DMSO is inconvenient, goes bad

>easily, makes your breath smell like garlic and can carry toxins right

>through the skin into the bloodstream if you're not careful.

>

>My first choice natural pain reliever

>

>Here's the secret: we recently discovered the best natural pain reliever

>right here at the Whitaker Wellness Institute -- natural plant enzymes,

>which nutritionists previously used only to improve digestion.

>

>Plant enzymes are not only effective for curing pain, but also preventing

>it, and best of all, they are among the least expensive supplements in the

>health food store. (In my monthly newsletter, Health & Healing, I take

>special pride in providing solutions you can afford -- what's the sense of

>recommending a natural supplement if it costs $100 per month?)

>

>Bromelain extracted from pineapples is my enzyme of choice. Don't worry

>about all of the other natural enzymes on the shelf -- this one is the best.

>How does it work? Arthritis, tendinitis, and what we call " stiffness " are

>all forms of tissue inflammation with different causes. Simply said, when

>your tissues become engorged with fluid and have nowhere to expand, the

>nerves register this pressure as pain.

>

>As you digest bromelain, it enters your bloodstream and neutralizes the

>chemicals that trigger inflammation. As a result, you feel a great easing of

>the pain, aches, and stiffness.

>

>Bromelain also facilitates wound healing and increases the effectiveness of

>other herbal remedies. Most natural medicine practitioners don't realize

>that although bromelain is an excellent enzyme for helping you digest a

>heavy meal, if you want to use it for pain relief, you must take it on an

>empty stomach. Otherwise, most of its power will be expended in the

>digestion process.

>

>If you are allergic pineapple, or need extra pain relief, don't reach for

>the Tylenol. Use both of these other new herbal pain relievers, instead:

>

>B. serrata: Extracted from the resin of an Indian tree, B. serrata has

>excellent anti-inflammatory properties. One study involved 175 patients with

>rheumatoid arthritis so severe they were permanently bedridden or unable to

>work. After taking 400 mg of B. serrata daily for eight weeks, an

>astonishing 88% reported improvement.

>

>Herb #3: A member of the chrysanthemum family, Herb #3 is very good for both

>arthritis and migraine headaches. Herb #3 is much more effective than

>commercial pain relievers for reducing prostaglandins, the chemicals that

>cause inflammation. This herb is especially helpful for sufferers of

>rheumatoid arthritis.

>

>2002 has brought special gifts for pain sufferers, at least at the Whitaker

>Wellness Institute.

>

>If you're in pain, there is no reason for you to suffer another day. I'd

>like you to have a copy of my new report: An End to Arthritis and Joint

>Pain, free with your Health & Healing subscription. This guide fully

>explains how to use bromelain, B. Serrata and Herb #3, which brands are

>best, and where to get them.

>

>Add Strength & Flexibility to Pain Relief

>

>As a Health & Healing subscriber, my first goal is to give you freedom from

>pain so you can enjoy life.

>

>That's just the beginning: I also want you to have strength, flexibility and

>more resilient joints and muscles: this body has to last us a long time!

>

>In Health & Healing, you'll learn about the latest breakthroughs for

>repairing damaged joints, rebuilding cartilage and regaining full use of

>your muscles and tendons, even if you can hardly get out of bed right now.

>We have new natural techniques that can restore your strength and range of

>motion quickly?this is an exciting time to be practicing medicine!

>

>Also, I give subscribers secrets to help prevent the diseases that can

>cripple: rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis?even gout. I want you to be

>active, mobile and free as long as you're on this planet.

>

>My report, An End to Arthritis and Joint Pain is a great start -- request

>your free copy today.

>

>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>------

>

>Boxers Bounce Back Better with Bromelain

>

>Who better than professional prize fighters to test the injury-healing

>properties of bromelain? In one little-known study, 74 injured boxers were

>given bromelain after they received their blows in the ring, and another 72

>were given a placebo.

>

>Within FOUR DAYS, 58 of the 74 bromelain treated boxers had COMPLETELY

>HEALED. In the placebo group, only ten of the 72 had complete healing in

>four days -- the rest took seven to fourteen days to heal.

>

>So, next time you get a bump or bruise, reach for the natural bromelain and

>be as good as new in no time! See my report for instructions -- but don't

>set foot in a boxing ring unless you take my favorite energy and vision

>supplements too!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I suspect my reaction was somewhat unique, although pineapple was noted by my MD as being highly allergenic.

Since everyone with RA is pretty much a walking allergic reaction, I was trying to point out my individual reaction to help anyone else should they have any side effects from using this. Not everyone will react the way I did, nor may they react at all.

As with all supplements, what may work for one person may not work for all. This doesn't mean we should not try them, just go slowly and be watchful when trying anything new.

One word of advice, occasionally take a supplement holiday if you think you may be allergic to something. Then add one supplement back every 3 to 10 days. This was how I ended up targeting Bromelain, among a host of other things I was allergic to such as feverfew, some digestive enzymes and flax oil.

Sue

rheumatic Bromelain, a Natural Pain Reliever

>

>

>Dear Group,

>

>The text below is from a 36-page unsolicited mailer that came to my house to

>sell a subscription to Health & Healing by n Whitaker , M.D., head of

>the Whitaker Wellness Center in Newport Beach, California. Twelve issues

>cost $49.95, phone 800-211-7657. http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.

><http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.asp> asp

><http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.asp>

>

>

>A NEW DISCOVERY COMPLETELY ERASES JOINT AND MUSCLE PAIN

>

>It doesn't matter whether the doctor says you have arthritis, chronic

>tendinitis, or simply the stiffness of " old age. " Your days and years of

>aches, pain and stiffness are over, and you will soon return to a fully

>active life. The makers of pain relievers and prescription pain killers may

>go out of business because of this incredible discovery...

>

>Aspirin, ibuprofen and other NSAIDs burn holes in your stomach. Cortisone

>causes osteoporosis. Celebrex can irritate your gut and empty your bank

>account. Percocet and codeine are addictive. In fact, every pain medication

>has a dark side.

>

>Until now, natural pain relievers have also been a mixed blessing. Perhaps

>you've tried glucosamine sulfate or chondroitin sulfate. I often recommend

>these powerful nutrients myself. However, both of these work to reduce pain

>for some people, but not others.

>

>Sometimes I use DMSO for quick relief of arthritis, soft tissue injury, or

>tendinitis. As you know, DMSO is the colorless, odorless liquid that soaks

>through your skin faster than alcohol. But DMSO is inconvenient, goes bad

>easily, makes your breath smell like garlic and can carry toxins right

>through the skin into the bloodstream if you're not careful.

>

>My first choice natural pain reliever

>

>Here's the secret: we recently discovered the best natural pain reliever

>right here at the Whitaker Wellness Institute -- natural plant enzymes,

>which nutritionists previously used only to improve digestion.

>

>Plant enzymes are not only effective for curing pain, but also preventing

>it, and best of all, they are among the least expensive supplements in the

>health food store. (In my monthly newsletter, Health & Healing, I take

>special pride in providing solutions you can afford -- what's the sense of

>recommending a natural supplement if it costs $100 per month?)

>

>Bromelain extracted from pineapples is my enzyme of choice. Don't worry

>about all of the other natural enzymes on the shelf -- this one is the best.

>How does it work? Arthritis, tendinitis, and what we call " stiffness " are

>all forms of tissue inflammation with different causes. Simply said, when

>your tissues become engorged with fluid and have nowhere to expand, the

>nerves register this pressure as pain.

>

>As you digest bromelain, it enters your bloodstream and neutralizes the

>chemicals that trigger inflammation. As a result, you feel a great easing of

>the pain, aches, and stiffness.

>

>Bromelain also facilitates wound healing and increases the effectiveness of

>other herbal remedies. Most natural medicine practitioners don't realize

>that although bromelain is an excellent enzyme for helping you digest a

>heavy meal, if you want to use it for pain relief, you must take it on an

>empty stomach. Otherwise, most of its power will be expended in the

>digestion process.

>

>If you are allergic pineapple, or need extra pain relief, don't reach for

>the Tylenol. Use both of these other new herbal pain relievers, instead:

>

>B. serrata: Extracted from the resin of an Indian tree, B. serrata has

>excellent anti-inflammatory properties. One study involved 175 patients with

>rheumatoid arthritis so severe they were permanently bedridden or unable to

>work. After taking 400 mg of B. serrata daily for eight weeks, an

>astonishing 88% reported improvement.

>

>Herb #3: A member of the chrysanthemum family, Herb #3 is very good for both

>arthritis and migraine headaches. Herb #3 is much more effective than

>commercial pain relievers for reducing prostaglandins, the chemicals that

>cause inflammation. This herb is especially helpful for sufferers of

>rheumatoid arthritis.

>

>2002 has brought special gifts for pain sufferers, at least at the Whitaker

>Wellness Institute.

>

>If you're in pain, there is no reason for you to suffer another day. I'd

>like you to have a copy of my new report: An End to Arthritis and Joint

>Pain, free with your Health & Healing subscription. This guide fully

>explains how to use bromelain, B. Serrata and Herb #3, which brands are

>best, and where to get them.

>

>Add Strength & Flexibility to Pain Relief

>

>As a Health & Healing subscriber, my first goal is to give you freedom from

>pain so you can enjoy life.

>

>That's just the beginning: I also want you to have strength, flexibility and

>more resilient joints and muscles: this body has to last us a long time!

>

>In Health & Healing, you'll learn about the latest breakthroughs for

>repairing damaged joints, rebuilding cartilage and regaining full use of

>your muscles and tendons, even if you can hardly get out of bed right now.

>We have new natural techniques that can restore your strength and range of

>motion quickly?this is an exciting time to be practicing medicine!

>

>Also, I give subscribers secrets to help prevent the diseases that can

>cripple: rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis?even gout. I want you to be

>active, mobile and free as long as you're on this planet.

>

>My report, An End to Arthritis and Joint Pain is a great start -- request

>your free copy today.

>

>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>------

>

>Boxers Bounce Back Better with Bromelain

>

>Who better than professional prize fighters to test the injury-healing

>properties of bromelain? In one little-known study, 74 injured boxers were

>given bromelain after they received their blows in the ring, and another 72

>were given a placebo.

>

>Within FOUR DAYS, 58 of the 74 bromelain treated boxers had COMPLETELY

>HEALED. In the placebo group, only ten of the 72 had complete healing in

>four days -- the rest took seven to fourteen days to heal.

>

>So, next time you get a bump or bruise, reach for the natural bromelain and

>be as good as new in no time! See my report for instructions -- but don't

>set foot in a boxing ring unless you take my favorite energy and vision

>supplements too!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

on 2/13/02 9:49 AM, Kapr, Sue, skapr@..., wrote:

Everything Sue says is right on in my experience. My doctors are very

careful in prescribing NSAIDs to me, because I'm allergic to a few. One

doctor went so far as to state that if I was allergic to one, I would be

allergic to all: clearly wrong, as I can take most (except for the gut

reaction, which is a different adverse reaction: or maybe not).

Another thing to keep an eye out for is dyes and additives. I became

allergic to the B vitamin supplement I was taking (Walgreens brand) but

switched to another brand with no additives, and can take it fine.

Jean

> I suspect my reaction was somewhat unique, although pineapple was noted by my

> MD as being highly allergenic.

>

> Since everyone with RA is pretty much a walking allergic reaction, I was

> trying to point out my individual reaction to help anyone else should they

> have any side effects from using this. Not everyone will react the way I did,

> nor may they react at all.

>

> As with all supplements, what may work for one person may not work for all.

> This doesn't mean we should not try them, just go slowly and be watchful when

> trying anything new.

>

> One word of advice, occasionally take a supplement holiday if you think you

> may be allergic to something. Then add one supplement back every 3 to 10

> days. This was how I ended up targeting Bromelain, among a host of other

> things I was allergic to such as feverfew, some digestive enzymes and flax

> oil.

[Guest guest]

Bromelain didn't do squiddly for me either, but RheuMax works great.

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[Guest guest]

I'm hoping I won't acquire an allergy to Bromelain because it has really helped me. It has been good for pain and the doctor prescribed it for the candida I experienced last year. I was so happy to have a natural pain relief medicine that I never thought of an allergic reaction. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

rheumatic Bromelain, a Natural Pain Reliever > > >Dear Group, > >The text below is from a 36-page unsolicited mailer that came to my house to >sell a subscription to Health & Healing by n Whitaker , M.D., head of >the Whitaker Wellness Center in Newport Beach, California. Twelve issues >cost $49.95, phone 800-211-7657. http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp. ><http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.asp> asp ><http://www.drwhitaker.com/nc/hh_subs_lp.asp> > > >A NEW DISCOVERY COMPLETELY ERASES JOINT AND MUSCLE PAIN > >It doesn't matter whether the doctor says you have arthritis, chronic >tendinitis, or simply the stiffness of "old age." Your days and years of >aches, pain and stiffness are over, and you will soon return to a fully >active life. The makers of pain relievers and prescription pain killers may >go out of business because of this incredible discovery... > >Aspirin, ibuprofen and other NSAIDs burn holes in your stomach. Cortisone >causes osteoporosis. Celebrex can irritate your gut and empty your bank >account. Percocet and codeine are addictive. In fact, every pain medication >has a dark side. > >Until now, natural pain relievers have also been a mixed blessing. Perhaps >you've tried glucosamine sulfate or chondroitin sulfate. I often recommend >these powerful nutrients myself. However, both of these work to reduce pain >for some people, but not others. > >Sometimes I use DMSO for quick relief of arthritis, soft tissue injury, or >tendinitis. As you know, DMSO is the colorless, odorless liquid that soaks >through your skin faster than alcohol. But DMSO is inconvenient, goes bad >easily, makes your breath smell like garlic and can carry toxins right >through the skin into the bloodstream if you're not careful. > >My first choice natural pain reliever > >Here's the secret: we recently discovered the best natural pain reliever >right here at the Whitaker Wellness Institute -- natural plant enzymes, >which nutritionists previously used only to improve digestion. > >Plant enzymes are not only effective for curing pain, but also preventing >it, and best of all, they are among the least expensive supplements in the >health food store. (In my monthly newsletter, Health & Healing, I take >special pride in providing solutions you can afford -- what's the sense of >recommending a natural supplement if it costs $100 per month?) > >Bromelain extracted from pineapples is my enzyme of choice. Don't worry >about all of the other natural enzymes on the shelf -- this one is the best. >How does it work? Arthritis, tendinitis, and what we call "stiffness" are >all forms of tissue inflammation with different causes. Simply said, when >your tissues become engorged with fluid and have nowhere to expand, the >nerves register this pressure as pain. > >As you digest bromelain, it enters your bloodstream and neutralizes the >chemicals that trigger inflammation. As a result, you feel a great easing of >the pain, aches, and stiffness. > >Bromelain also facilitates wound healing and increases the effectiveness of >other herbal remedies. Most natural medicine practitioners don't realize >that although bromelain is an excellent enzyme for helping you digest a >heavy meal, if you want to use it for pain relief, you must take it on an >empty stomach. Otherwise, most of its power will be expended in the >digestion process. > >If you are allergic pineapple, or need extra pain relief, don't reach for >the Tylenol. Use both of these other new herbal pain relievers, instead: > >B. serrata: Extracted from the resin of an Indian tree, B. serrata has >excellent anti-inflammatory properties. One study involved 175 patients with >rheumatoid arthritis so severe they were permanently bedridden or unable to >work. After taking 400 mg of B. serrata daily for eight weeks, an >astonishing 88% reported improvement. > >Herb #3: A member of the chrysanthemum family, Herb #3 is very good for both >arthritis and migraine headaches. Herb #3 is much more effective than >commercial pain relievers for reducing prostaglandins, the chemicals that >cause inflammation. This herb is especially helpful for sufferers of >rheumatoid arthritis. > >2002 has brought special gifts for pain sufferers, at least at the Whitaker >Wellness Institute. > >If you're in pain, there is no reason for you to suffer another day. I'd >like you to have a copy of my new report: An End to Arthritis and Joint >Pain, free with your Health & Healing subscription. This guide fully >explains how to use bromelain, B. Serrata and Herb #3, which brands are >best, and where to get them. > >Add Strength & Flexibility to Pain Relief > >As a Health & Healing subscriber, my first goal is to give you freedom from >pain so you can enjoy life. > >That's just the beginning: I also want you to have strength, flexibility and >more resilient joints and muscles: this body has to last us a long time! > >In Health & Healing, you'll learn about the latest breakthroughs for >repairing damaged joints, rebuilding cartilage and regaining full use of >your muscles and tendons, even if you can hardly get out of bed right now. >We have new natural techniques that can restore your strength and range of >motion quickly?this is an exciting time to be practicing medicine! > >Also, I give subscribers secrets to help prevent the diseases that can >cripple: rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis?even gout. I want you to be >active, mobile and free as long as you're on this planet. > >My report, An End to Arthritis and Joint Pain is a great start -- request >your free copy today. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------ > >Boxers Bounce Back Better with Bromelain > >Who better than professional prize fighters to test the injury-healing >properties of bromelain? In one little-known study, 74 injured boxers were >given bromelain after they received their blows in the ring, and another 72 >were given a placebo. > >Within FOUR DAYS, 58 of the 74 bromelain treated boxers had COMPLETELY >HEALED. In the placebo group, only ten of the 72 had complete healing in >four days -- the rest took seven to fourteen days to heal. > >So, next time you get a bump or bruise, reach for the natural bromelain and >be as good as new in no time! 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[Guest guest]

It says at one point (see below) that Bromelain promotes TNF which is a

major cause of inflammation in RA. Enbrel mops up excess TNF to help

control pain and inflammation. Can anyone shed some light on this?

" Bromelain, papain, and amylase have all been demonstrated to induce

cytokine

production in human peripheral blood mononuclear cells. Treatment leads to

the production of tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha),

interleukin-1-beta (IL-1 beta), and interleukin-6 (IL-6) in a time and

dose-dependent manner. Interferon-alpha (IFN-alpha) and interferon-gamma

(IFN-gamma), which had no effect alone, synergistically increased TNF-alpha

production when applied together with the enzymes.23,24 The tryptic but not

the autolytic fractions of papain and bromelain have a higher (10- to

40-fold) inducing capacity for TNF production than the untreated enzyme.25

Trypsin alone had only a small inducing effect.

The ability to induce cytokine production may explain the antitumor effects

observed after oral administration of polyenzyme preparations. "

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

> http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html. A technical

> paper. An interesting section entitled " Potentiation of Antibiotics "

states

> that bromelain will enhance the penetrating power of antibiotics like

> tetracyclines - great for those of us on the AP.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jack! Geoff Crenshaw here.

> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:38:14 -0500

> From: " Jack Blumenthal " <jbolean@...>

> Subject: RE: Bromelain, a Natural Pain Reliever

> How do we find out who is right? Is Sue's experience individual and

unique?

> Jack Blumenthal

If you had an " acute " illness or injury, i.e., one that is self-limiting

like a cold or a broken arm, your best bet would be the studies and such

that Harald posted. However, by your presence you demonstrate that you have

a " chronic " condition, i.e., one that does not resolve by itself over time

but continues either unchanging or getting worse over time.

This list presents a unique opportunity to benefit from a " targeted " study

of people who are " like you. " They have very serious conditions and for the

most part, have tried nearly everything there is to try.

Over the last several years virtually every desperate soul here has tried

everything, and I do mean everything, that sounded like it might have even

the remotest chance of helping -- from experimental drugs to baying at the

moon to prosorba columns -- obvious outgrowths of the desperation suffered

by people who have fallen prey to the rheumatic diseases.

In general, Bromelain (found in the STEM of pineapple, not the fruit) has

proven itself NOT TO BE EFFECTIVE for more than the smallest possible

percentage of people (like 1-3% of those suffering severe disease) and has

proven itself NOT TO BE RELIABLY EFFECTIVE in a pronounced, predictable way

over a lengthy period for anyone.

The only herbals we've found so far that work reliably and predictably and

for an extended period for a significant number of people (90%+) were RA

Spes, which is no longer available, and RheuMax (also labeled RheumaPlus)

which is available through the list members nonprofit,

http://www.healingyou.org/.

Your question about who's right: They all are -- IN CONTEXT:

's reaction does not seem to be common;

Bromelain has not proven to be effective for chronic serious illness;

Bromelain ranges from marginally to very effective for acute,

self-limiting injuries (the firemen).

Part of the decision process for you has to be to evaluate the similarity of

issues being addressed:

FIREMEN: Injury - something that lasts a set period and heals,

medically defined as " acute " .

Result - aids & speeds healing

CHRONIC SEVERE

ARTHRITIS: Illness - NOT self-limiting, the illness continues

to attack the host over time and in fact grows

within the host expanding its territory and rending

the host declining health sometimes leading to total

disability and death

The next part to evaluate is: To which group is my issue most closely

similar? Unfortunately, the Rheumatic diseases fall into the CHRONIC group.

What do the studies show for the chronic group? Mixed and generally

ineffective results. Dietary changes eliminating all beef and dairy

products, wheat & corn in all forms, etc., has a much, much better success

rate than bromelain - by several orders of magnitude.

Another thing to remember... were this list a " study " it would constitute

one of the largest, longest-running studies in history. Consider this, you

have a study of SIX people, or THIRTY-SEVEN people, or even a " large scale "

study, ONE HUNDRED people that lasts TEN DAYS, or SIX WEEKS or maybe, in

long-term studies, ONE or TWO YEARS. These are the numbers in published

studies - look at them.

The list's history shows a study population in the thousands with several

hundred active at any one time; It has been running several years; and the

population shares the same disease and treatment histories. In short, the

experience of the " test population, " i.e., the list members, is far more

reliable *for chronic severe rheumatic disease* than the alternatives.

HTH (hope this helps) you understand what is most likely to help " you. "

Geoff

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[Guest guest]

Geoff,

Where did you get the statistic that Bromelain is only effective for 1-3%

of people with RA? Please point us to the studies that you refer to. Same

for RA Spes. Thanks!

Sincerely, Harald

At 11:41 AM 02/14/2002 -0800, you wrote:

.... What do the studies show for the chronic group? Mixed and generally

ineffective results... In general, Bromelain (found in the STEM of

pineapple, not the fruit) has proven itself NOT TO BE EFFECTIVE for more

than the smallest possible percentage of people (like 1-3% of those

suffering severe disease) and has proven itself NOT TO BE RELIABLY

EFFECTIVE in a pronounced, predictable way over a lengthy period for anyone.

>The only herbals we've found so far that work reliably and predictably and

>for an extended period for a significant number of people (90%+) were RA

>Spes, which is no longer available, and RheuMax (also labeled RheumaPlus)

>which is available through the list members nonprofit,

>http://www.healingyou.org/.

[Guest guest]

> Where did you get the statistic that Bromelain is only

> effective for 1-3% of people with RA? Please point us

> to the studies that you refer to. Same for RA Spes.

>

> Thanks!

Harald,

I've been on the list rather a long time now. I remember the

bromelain information from previous postings as it was of peculiar

importance to me personally. It may or may not be available

through the archives at since before that the list was moved

twice at least and any previous archives did not transition.

You'll have to trudge through it all for yourself if you're so

inclined. (You would have gotten quite a howl out of watching me

try to consume pound after pound of pineapple fruit, only to find

out later the bromelain is in the stem!)

As to the RA Spes, if you are particularly interested in that

product, www.healingyou.org did go to the effort and expense of

posting some material of a double-blind study for that on the Web

site due to the outstanding efficacy reported by all who tried it.

You can find that by going to http://www.healingyou.org/, clicking

[search] in the top menu and doing a [search for information]

using RA Spes as the qualifier.

Over the course of several months, many of us " old-timers " on the

list corresponded and shared research off-list in an effort to

find a replacement for RAS (RA Spes). We developed a plan to find,

test, report and, if appropriate, recommend a replacement chiefly

because RAS was so expensive. It just so happened at the same time

we were preparing to test RheuMax, the product that we did

eventually recommend as a replacement for RAS, that RAS went out

of production. Interestingly, RheuMax had been available by that

time for just over a year.

We organized a test group of volunteers from this list to do an

informal antecdotal test of RheuMax over a period of 30 days, in

keeping with the plan we'd established above. The results of that

test were compiled and sent to the list along with a

recommendation for RheuMax as being, " known good. " That

information s/be in the archives, if you are interested.

The results of RheuMax closely mirror those of RAS, which is not

surprising since it is a 'generational improvement' over RAS by

the same man who formulated RAS in the first place. It has very

similar properties, i.e.,

DMARD;

pain reducing;

flexibility improving;

antiinflammatory;

immune-enhancing;

etc., etc.

RAS was found over several years use to reverse and enhance

reversal in many areas of damage from RA; RheuMax gave,and

continues to give, every indication of doing the same. Our general

conclusion, however, in supervising the informal evaluation and

compiling antecdotal information over three or four years was

that, as good as RAS and RheuMax are, we did not feel they will

" cure " RA, nor did the Chief Scientist who formulated them.

What RheuMax does and RAS did was tend to make RA a " non-issue " in

peoples' lives, returning them to the life and vibrancy they

enjoyed before coming down with the disease. They did and continue

to produce remission in many people over time.

But remission is most properly translated as 'sleep.'

Our consensus was that remission is not enough, cure is the key

and for that the mycoplasma were still the target and the AP was

still felt to be the best show in town. Many of that same group of

people are still actively pursuing alternatives for attacking the

mycoplasma, as was Dr. Brown years ago - it just so happend that

the tetracyclines were " the only game in town " then.

In conference with the Chief Scientist who formulated RAS, we were

told RheuMax had been undergoing a double-blind study for over a

year that was not yet published, He said, and we have seen, that

the scientific community in general is openly hostile to herbals

and he felt it best to have a full 2-year study prior to

publication. We accepted his assertion that were the study to be

published at that time, the results for RheuMax would mimic or

better RAS in all areas. Based on his comments, HealingYou.org

left the RAS study up for review as an indicator of what one could

reasonably expect from RheuMax. Again, that information, as well

as the product, is available at the nonprofit setup for our list

members, http://www.healingyou.org/.

Regards, -----------------------

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