Re: Hello from a new member

[Guest guest]

Vera, welcome!  It is funny you mentioned shredded wheat.  I always resist buying it because they way I had it as a kid and loved was warm with melted butter and sugar on top, and milk.  But I had come to see that as unhealthy and I don't like it plain.  Isn't it funny how our past can influence our present.  I liked the part of your keeping a pad to see if you were aware or not.  In the beginning I kept a record of what I ate but not calories, etc.  I noted the color, texture, aroma, and whether I really liked the food or not.  I am an emotional eater and mostly if I am bored. And I can be very distracted.  My mind just goes a mile a minute on other things.  Glad to have you along.  Sandy

 

Hi everyone,

I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for. It makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I am keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how it tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom and the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away, especially if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers away and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I threw away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether or not I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like it. I used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I cannot really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been really hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that I felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity that has been suppressed for so long.

Thanks for listening and for being here.

Vera

[Guest guest]

Hi Vera,

Welcome! Looking forward to getting to know you better.

Josie >)

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for. It

makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I am

keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am surprised

how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the internet. Like I

now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how it tastes. Why did I ever

want to skip that part?

>

> It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom and the

Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away, especially if it is

food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers away and tell

myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I threw away shredded

wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether or not I really like the

cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like it. I used to eat it

because it was " healthy. "

>

> The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I cannot

really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been really hungry

or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are carried down

each generation, of course unconsciously.

>

> I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was building

my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that I felt while I was

waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a really great path to

reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity that has been suppressed for so

long.

>

> Thanks for listening and for being here.

> Vera

>

[Guest guest]

Vera,

I did the vegan thing for 2 or 3 years too. It was during the high

carbohydrate/low fat diet craze, and I was sure it was the answer to losing

weight for good. It wasn't. Plus, like you, I found the foods very

unsatisfying. When I wanted maceroni and cheese, the fake " cheeses " didn't hit

the spot at all. Not to mention when the craving for steak hit! For a long

time, my husband and I were really restrictive at home, but would eat what we

were craving at restaurants every few weeks. I believed all the hype about it

being better for the planet and all at the same time that I found myself having

to pay through the nose at natural food stores for the unusual ingredients, in

order to make foods that simply weren't as good as basic simple cooking

including basics like eggs were. And cooking vegan took so much time! Looking

back, I think it was just more diet-think and restrictiveness. I obsessed more

about food and felt deprived all the time, and yet somehow " virtuous, " which is

similar to how following any diet tends to feel, but this one was more " high

minded. " Eventually, it died a natural death when we took a long driving trip

to move and I was unable to find adequate vegan supplies on the road, then we

went through some unemployment in our new home and we were unable to afford the

extra expense. Then our new friends thought it was weird and well...

I must say, it was confusing after that whole high carbohydrate/low fat thing,

to find the next big fad diet craze was low carb, with everyone around us eating

ridiculous portions of fatty meat! I never could get onboard with that.

One of the most freeing parts of IE has been giving myself permission to eat

real butter and mayonaise and not be so tight with fat portions in general.

Just giving my own experience, not judging anyone else's beliefs about what is

good/right/healthy food to eat.

Jane

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for. It

> > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I am

> > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how it

> > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > >

> > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom and

> > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

especially

> > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers away

> > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

threw

> > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether or

not

> > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like it.

I

> > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > >

> > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

cannot

> > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been really

> > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > >

> > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that I

> > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity that

has

> > > been suppressed for so long.

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > Vera

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vera,

I did the vegan thing for 2 or 3 years too. It was during the high

carbohydrate/low fat diet craze, and I was sure it was the answer to losing

weight for good. It wasn't. Plus, like you, I found the foods very

unsatisfying. When I wanted maceroni and cheese, the fake " cheeses " didn't hit

the spot at all. Not to mention when the craving for steak hit! For a long

time, my husband and I were really restrictive at home, but would eat what we

were craving at restaurants every few weeks. I believed all the hype about it

being better for the planet and all at the same time that I found myself having

to pay through the nose at natural food stores for the unusual ingredients, in

order to make foods that simply weren't as good as basic simple cooking

including basics like eggs were. And cooking vegan took so much time! Looking

back, I think it was just more diet-think and restrictiveness. I obsessed more

about food and felt deprived all the time, and yet somehow " virtuous, " which is

similar to how following any diet tends to feel, but this one was more " high

minded. " Eventually, it died a natural death when we took a long driving trip

to move and I was unable to find adequate vegan supplies on the road, then we

went through some unemployment in our new home and we were unable to afford the

extra expense. Then our new friends thought it was weird and well...

I must say, it was confusing after that whole high carbohydrate/low fat thing,

to find the next big fad diet craze was low carb, with everyone around us eating

ridiculous portions of fatty meat! I never could get onboard with that.

One of the most freeing parts of IE has been giving myself permission to eat

real butter and mayonaise and not be so tight with fat portions in general.

Just giving my own experience, not judging anyone else's beliefs about what is

good/right/healthy food to eat.

Jane

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for. It

> > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I am

> > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how it

> > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > >

> > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom and

> > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

especially

> > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers away

> > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

threw

> > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether or

not

> > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like it.

I

> > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > >

> > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

cannot

> > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been really

> > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > >

> > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that I

> > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity that

has

> > > been suppressed for so long.

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > Vera

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You wrote, " ...and yet somehow " virtuous, " which is similar to how following any

diet tends to feel, but this one was more 'high minded.' "

I love that - high minded dieting! I always did feel exhalted when I was

successfully dieting and restricting. And there's so much political correctness

around following the latest diet fad. Woof - look at me, I'm only eating

organic wheat bran and agave juice - just four hundred calories a day!!!

Truth is, though being on a diet was the the only time I felt right in the world

- because it was the only marker for success I grew up with. And it was

initially so easy to deprive myself in order to be a success in life (thin).

But self-deprivation eventually no longer worked and thin somehow never felt

like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in spite of having nothing

to replace it...

Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

[Guest guest]

You wrote, " ...and yet somehow " virtuous, " which is similar to how following any

diet tends to feel, but this one was more 'high minded.' "

I love that - high minded dieting! I always did feel exhalted when I was

successfully dieting and restricting. And there's so much political correctness

around following the latest diet fad. Woof - look at me, I'm only eating

organic wheat bran and agave juice - just four hundred calories a day!!!

Truth is, though being on a diet was the the only time I felt right in the world

- because it was the only marker for success I grew up with. And it was

initially so easy to deprive myself in order to be a success in life (thin).

But self-deprivation eventually no longer worked and thin somehow never felt

like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in spite of having nothing

to replace it...

Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

[Guest guest]

You wrote, " ...and yet somehow " virtuous, " which is similar to how following any

diet tends to feel, but this one was more 'high minded.' "

I love that - high minded dieting! I always did feel exhalted when I was

successfully dieting and restricting. And there's so much political correctness

around following the latest diet fad. Woof - look at me, I'm only eating

organic wheat bran and agave juice - just four hundred calories a day!!!

Truth is, though being on a diet was the the only time I felt right in the world

- because it was the only marker for success I grew up with. And it was

initially so easy to deprive myself in order to be a success in life (thin).

But self-deprivation eventually no longer worked and thin somehow never felt

like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in spite of having nothing

to replace it...

Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

[Guest guest]

Vera, glad you are paying attention to your food and enjoying it. I used to have such a thing for chips too but have reached the point where they are just too salty. When my friend and I went out to eat last week, he ordered a sandwich which came with chips. I ate one and then remembered why I don't eat them.  This week I didn't even want one. They don't honor my body.  Do you have a copy of the 3 food groups?  Those you like(eat and enjoy), those you don't like(don't eat) and those that don't honor your body( make a conscious choice remembering how your body will feel). Glad you could leave a piece of banana on your plate and toss it out. VICTORY.  I have never been a vegan so I can't address that issue.  Sandy

 

Hi Sandy,

Thank you for your reply. I tried to be aware of color, texture, temperature, aroma, sweetness of my banana this morning and it makes a such a difference in how much I can stay aware and really enjoy it. Thank you for mentioning it. Before, I only was trying to be aware of the sensations in my stomach and that's a very limited approach. Maximizing pleasure makes so much sense.

I am finding that I need to look for more things that I really like and bring them to the house. I am anticipating my first encounter with the potato chips soon which from my history is a binging item. I am wondering how I'll do.

I was a vegetarian/vegan for the past year and only started eating meat in the last week. I have some judgments around eating meat but at the same time I see how I always tried to replace meat with similiar tasting things, but not quite satisfying the cravings. Does anyone have experiences with how to deal with the quandry?

I am looking at a piece of banana on the plate that I left behind from breakfast. I am amazed how easy it is to leave or even throw things out when I know I am not interested in eating them. That would have never happened before (clean plate eater in recovery!).

Vera

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for. It

> > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I am

> > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how it

> > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> >

> > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom and

> > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away, especially

> > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers away

> > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I threw

> > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether or not

> > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like it. I

> > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> >

> > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I cannot

> > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been really

> > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> >

> > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that I

> > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity that has

> > been suppressed for so long.

> >

> > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > Vera

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm beginning to see that reaching a normal weight for the first time in my life

- which is, mind you, a VERY long way off, as I'm morbidly obese - will just

mean living at a normal weight. It won't fix my problems, except the ones

caused by carrying too much weight around, like being unable to attempt many

physical things. Just as the only problem food takes care of for me is hunger,

thin will just mean it will be easier to find clothes, fit in seats, and train

my body to do normal things, etc. It won't be a fairy tale, just the absence of

the level of disability I've been experiencing carrying around the equivalent of

two of me. It's certainly nothing to fear, nor to make a big deal about. Most

people spend their whole lives at a normal weight, and they just have regular

lives. The only normal weight photo of me was newborn, and I think for those of

us who have been very fat all our lives, it is easy to equate " thin " with " and

they lived happily ever after. " Just as many women imagine life's problems will

be solved when " Mr. Right " shows up, or a baby is born, we set unrealistic

expectations on the ramifications of our body size.

Jane

thin somehow never felt like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in

spite of having nothing to replace it...

>

> Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

>

[Guest guest]

I'm beginning to see that reaching a normal weight for the first time in my life

- which is, mind you, a VERY long way off, as I'm morbidly obese - will just

mean living at a normal weight. It won't fix my problems, except the ones

caused by carrying too much weight around, like being unable to attempt many

physical things. Just as the only problem food takes care of for me is hunger,

thin will just mean it will be easier to find clothes, fit in seats, and train

my body to do normal things, etc. It won't be a fairy tale, just the absence of

the level of disability I've been experiencing carrying around the equivalent of

two of me. It's certainly nothing to fear, nor to make a big deal about. Most

people spend their whole lives at a normal weight, and they just have regular

lives. The only normal weight photo of me was newborn, and I think for those of

us who have been very fat all our lives, it is easy to equate " thin " with " and

they lived happily ever after. " Just as many women imagine life's problems will

be solved when " Mr. Right " shows up, or a baby is born, we set unrealistic

expectations on the ramifications of our body size.

Jane

thin somehow never felt like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in

spite of having nothing to replace it...

>

> Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

>

[Guest guest]

I'm beginning to see that reaching a normal weight for the first time in my life

- which is, mind you, a VERY long way off, as I'm morbidly obese - will just

mean living at a normal weight. It won't fix my problems, except the ones

caused by carrying too much weight around, like being unable to attempt many

physical things. Just as the only problem food takes care of for me is hunger,

thin will just mean it will be easier to find clothes, fit in seats, and train

my body to do normal things, etc. It won't be a fairy tale, just the absence of

the level of disability I've been experiencing carrying around the equivalent of

two of me. It's certainly nothing to fear, nor to make a big deal about. Most

people spend their whole lives at a normal weight, and they just have regular

lives. The only normal weight photo of me was newborn, and I think for those of

us who have been very fat all our lives, it is easy to equate " thin " with " and

they lived happily ever after. " Just as many women imagine life's problems will

be solved when " Mr. Right " shows up, or a baby is born, we set unrealistic

expectations on the ramifications of our body size.

Jane

thin somehow never felt like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in

spite of having nothing to replace it...

>

> Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, everyone, for chiming in! Sandy, what is the 3 food groups? Is it a

book? I'd love to learn about it. I made a list of all the things that I have

craved in my life. After making that list, it became obvious that what I wanted

for late breakfast/lunch was a fruit salad. So there I went and made it. I had

it with cream and it was very satisfying. My mother used to make it for

christmas and it reminded me of her.

This evening, I had a run with the potato chips. I got a big bag at the store of

my favorite sour cream and onion. I was a bit scared because I had no idea what

would happen. I got hungry enough and decided to give it a try. I started eating

while paying attention to every bite. My mind wondered a little bit by

remembering some things from long ago that I don't normally think about. I

consciously brought my mind back to get the taste of the chips. I ate probably

25 chips and put them away as I reached a full feeling in my stomach. I had to

repeat myself that I can have them whenever I want them when I am hungry. It

worked!

I am getting more and more confident about being able to use IE. It almost feels

too easy! I am enjoying the idea of coming up with my favorite things I want to

eat. No one has ever asked me before what those are. And I myself have never

known how special those foods are. Why would I ever put in my mouth something I

don't actually like or love? I threw away the whole box of shredded wheat today.

It was time!

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for.

> > It

> > > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I

> > am

> > > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how

> > it

> > > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > > >

> > > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom

> > and

> > > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

> > especially

> > > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers

> > away

> > > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

> > threw

> > > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether

> > or not

> > > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like

> > it. I

> > > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > > >

> > > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

> > cannot

> > > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been

> > really

> > > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > > >

> > > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that

> > I

> > > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity

> > that has

> > > > been suppressed for so long.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > > Vera

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, everyone, for chiming in! Sandy, what is the 3 food groups? Is it a

book? I'd love to learn about it. I made a list of all the things that I have

craved in my life. After making that list, it became obvious that what I wanted

for late breakfast/lunch was a fruit salad. So there I went and made it. I had

it with cream and it was very satisfying. My mother used to make it for

christmas and it reminded me of her.

This evening, I had a run with the potato chips. I got a big bag at the store of

my favorite sour cream and onion. I was a bit scared because I had no idea what

would happen. I got hungry enough and decided to give it a try. I started eating

while paying attention to every bite. My mind wondered a little bit by

remembering some things from long ago that I don't normally think about. I

consciously brought my mind back to get the taste of the chips. I ate probably

25 chips and put them away as I reached a full feeling in my stomach. I had to

repeat myself that I can have them whenever I want them when I am hungry. It

worked!

I am getting more and more confident about being able to use IE. It almost feels

too easy! I am enjoying the idea of coming up with my favorite things I want to

eat. No one has ever asked me before what those are. And I myself have never

known how special those foods are. Why would I ever put in my mouth something I

don't actually like or love? I threw away the whole box of shredded wheat today.

It was time!

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for.

> > It

> > > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I

> > am

> > > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how

> > it

> > > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > > >

> > > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom

> > and

> > > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

> > especially

> > > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers

> > away

> > > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

> > threw

> > > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether

> > or not

> > > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like

> > it. I

> > > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > > >

> > > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

> > cannot

> > > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been

> > really

> > > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > > >

> > > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that

> > I

> > > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity

> > that has

> > > > been suppressed for so long.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > > Vera

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, everyone, for chiming in! Sandy, what is the 3 food groups? Is it a

book? I'd love to learn about it. I made a list of all the things that I have

craved in my life. After making that list, it became obvious that what I wanted

for late breakfast/lunch was a fruit salad. So there I went and made it. I had

it with cream and it was very satisfying. My mother used to make it for

christmas and it reminded me of her.

This evening, I had a run with the potato chips. I got a big bag at the store of

my favorite sour cream and onion. I was a bit scared because I had no idea what

would happen. I got hungry enough and decided to give it a try. I started eating

while paying attention to every bite. My mind wondered a little bit by

remembering some things from long ago that I don't normally think about. I

consciously brought my mind back to get the taste of the chips. I ate probably

25 chips and put them away as I reached a full feeling in my stomach. I had to

repeat myself that I can have them whenever I want them when I am hungry. It

worked!

I am getting more and more confident about being able to use IE. It almost feels

too easy! I am enjoying the idea of coming up with my favorite things I want to

eat. No one has ever asked me before what those are. And I myself have never

known how special those foods are. Why would I ever put in my mouth something I

don't actually like or love? I threw away the whole box of shredded wheat today.

It was time!

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for.

> > It

> > > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I

> > am

> > > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how

> > it

> > > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > > >

> > > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom

> > and

> > > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

> > especially

> > > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers

> > away

> > > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

> > threw

> > > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether

> > or not

> > > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like

> > it. I

> > > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > > >

> > > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

> > cannot

> > > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been

> > really

> > > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > > >

> > > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that

> > I

> > > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity

> > that has

> > > > been suppressed for so long.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > > Vera

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

povolnav, The 3 food groups was something written up by Gillian, one of the advisers of IE.  I'll see if I can find a copy of it.  It did not come from a book I don't believe. You are doing so well on your journey already. Paying attention to the eating and fullness.  Good for you.  My big problem right now is emotional eating, like when I am bored or even after I have had a good day and then come home to an " empty " house(just me). Sandy

 

Thank you, everyone, for chiming in! Sandy, what is the 3 food groups? Is it a book? I'd love to learn about it. I made a list of all the things that I have craved in my life. After making that list, it became obvious that what I wanted for late breakfast/lunch was a fruit salad. So there I went and made it. I had it with cream and it was very satisfying. My mother used to make it for christmas and it reminded me of her.

This evening, I had a run with the potato chips. I got a big bag at the store of my favorite sour cream and onion. I was a bit scared because I had no idea what would happen. I got hungry enough and decided to give it a try. I started eating while paying attention to every bite. My mind wondered a little bit by remembering some things from long ago that I don't normally think about. I consciously brought my mind back to get the taste of the chips. I ate probably 25 chips and put them away as I reached a full feeling in my stomach. I had to repeat myself that I can have them whenever I want them when I am hungry. It worked!

I am getting more and more confident about being able to use IE. It almost feels too easy! I am enjoying the idea of coming up with my favorite things I want to eat. No one has ever asked me before what those are. And I myself have never known how special those foods are. Why would I ever put in my mouth something I don't actually like or love? I threw away the whole box of shredded wheat today. It was time!

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for.

> > It

> > > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I

> > am

> > > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how

> > it

> > > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > > >

> > > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom

> > and

> > > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

> > especially

> > > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers

> > away

> > > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

> > threw

> > > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether

> > or not

> > > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like

> > it. I

> > > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > > >

> > > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

> > cannot

> > > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been

> > really

> > > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > > >

> > > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that

> > I

> > > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity

> > that has

> > > > been suppressed for so long.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > > Vera

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

povolnav, The 3 food groups was something written up by Gillian, one of the advisers of IE.  I'll see if I can find a copy of it.  It did not come from a book I don't believe. You are doing so well on your journey already. Paying attention to the eating and fullness.  Good for you.  My big problem right now is emotional eating, like when I am bored or even after I have had a good day and then come home to an " empty " house(just me). Sandy

 

Thank you, everyone, for chiming in! Sandy, what is the 3 food groups? Is it a book? I'd love to learn about it. I made a list of all the things that I have craved in my life. After making that list, it became obvious that what I wanted for late breakfast/lunch was a fruit salad. So there I went and made it. I had it with cream and it was very satisfying. My mother used to make it for christmas and it reminded me of her.

This evening, I had a run with the potato chips. I got a big bag at the store of my favorite sour cream and onion. I was a bit scared because I had no idea what would happen. I got hungry enough and decided to give it a try. I started eating while paying attention to every bite. My mind wondered a little bit by remembering some things from long ago that I don't normally think about. I consciously brought my mind back to get the taste of the chips. I ate probably 25 chips and put them away as I reached a full feeling in my stomach. I had to repeat myself that I can have them whenever I want them when I am hungry. It worked!

I am getting more and more confident about being able to use IE. It almost feels too easy! I am enjoying the idea of coming up with my favorite things I want to eat. No one has ever asked me before what those are. And I myself have never known how special those foods are. Why would I ever put in my mouth something I don't actually like or love? I threw away the whole box of shredded wheat today. It was time!

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for.

> > It

> > > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I

> > am

> > > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how

> > it

> > > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > > >

> > > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom

> > and

> > > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

> > especially

> > > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers

> > away

> > > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

> > threw

> > > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether

> > or not

> > > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like

> > it. I

> > > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > > >

> > > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

> > cannot

> > > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been

> > really

> > > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > > >

> > > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that

> > I

> > > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity

> > that has

> > > > been suppressed for so long.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > > Vera

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

povolnav, The 3 food groups was something written up by Gillian, one of the advisers of IE.  I'll see if I can find a copy of it.  It did not come from a book I don't believe. You are doing so well on your journey already. Paying attention to the eating and fullness.  Good for you.  My big problem right now is emotional eating, like when I am bored or even after I have had a good day and then come home to an " empty " house(just me). Sandy

 

Thank you, everyone, for chiming in! Sandy, what is the 3 food groups? Is it a book? I'd love to learn about it. I made a list of all the things that I have craved in my life. After making that list, it became obvious that what I wanted for late breakfast/lunch was a fruit salad. So there I went and made it. I had it with cream and it was very satisfying. My mother used to make it for christmas and it reminded me of her.

This evening, I had a run with the potato chips. I got a big bag at the store of my favorite sour cream and onion. I was a bit scared because I had no idea what would happen. I got hungry enough and decided to give it a try. I started eating while paying attention to every bite. My mind wondered a little bit by remembering some things from long ago that I don't normally think about. I consciously brought my mind back to get the taste of the chips. I ate probably 25 chips and put them away as I reached a full feeling in my stomach. I had to repeat myself that I can have them whenever I want them when I am hungry. It worked!

I am getting more and more confident about being able to use IE. It almost feels too easy! I am enjoying the idea of coming up with my favorite things I want to eat. No one has ever asked me before what those are. And I myself have never known how special those foods are. Why would I ever put in my mouth something I don't actually like or love? I threw away the whole box of shredded wheat today. It was time!

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for.

> > It

> > > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I

> > am

> > > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am

> > > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the

> > > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how

> > it

> > > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > > >

> > > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom

> > and

> > > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

> > especially

> > > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers

> > away

> > > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I

> > threw

> > > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether

> > or not

> > > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like

> > it. I

> > > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > > >

> > > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my

> > > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I

> > cannot

> > > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been

> > really

> > > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are

> > > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > > >

> > > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was

> > > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that

> > I

> > > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a

> > > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity

> > that has

> > > > been suppressed for so long.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > > Vera

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You can find a copy of the 3 Food Groups at this group site. Click on Files on

the left (purple) column then go to the Articles folder there. Next click on the

General IE folder and you will find the 3 Food Groups file.

Katcha

> > > > >

> > > > > > **

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking

> > for.

> > > > It

> > > > > > makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not

> > hungry. I

> > > > am

> > > > > > keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I

> > am

> > > > > > surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing

> > the

> > > > > > internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and

> > how

> > > > it

> > > > > > tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of

> > boredom

> > > > and

> > > > > > the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away,

> > > > especially

> > > > > > if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the

> > leftovers

> > > > away

> > > > > > and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today,

> > I

> > > > threw

> > > > > > away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about

> > whether

> > > > or not

> > > > > > I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't

> > like

> > > > it. I

> > > > > > used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food

> > shortage my

> > > > > > family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war.

> > I

> > > > cannot

> > > > > > really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been

> > > > really

> > > > > > hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes

> > are

> > > > > > carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I

> > was

> > > > > > building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear

> > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am

> > on a

> > > > > > really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity

> > > > that has

> > > > > > been suppressed for so long.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for listening and for being here.

> > > > > > Vera

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vera: regarding the 3 food groups.  Go to the group site, then files on Left side(purple column), articles folder, 3 groups file.   Got this info from Katcha.  If you still have trouble let me know.  My mind is not working very well today. Sandy

 

Hi everyone,

I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for. It makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I am keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how it tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom and the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away, especially if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers away and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I threw away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether or not I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like it. I used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I cannot really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been really hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that I felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity that has been suppressed for so long.

Thanks for listening and for being here.

Vera

[Guest guest]

Vera: regarding the 3 food groups.  Go to the group site, then files on Left side(purple column), articles folder, 3 groups file.   Got this info from Katcha.  If you still have trouble let me know.  My mind is not working very well today. Sandy

 

Hi everyone,

I am reading IE and I feel that I finally found what I am looking for. It makes so much sense to eat when hungry and stopping when not hungry. I am keeping a pad where I record my meals and if I was aware or not. I am surprised how easy it is to not be distracted by reading or surfing the internet. Like I now want to pay attention to what I am eating and how it tastes. Why did I ever want to skip that part?

It was also a surprise that in the past, I ate mostly out of boredom and the Waste-Not mentality. I had a hard time throwing things away, especially if it is food I like. So, what I am doing now is to put the leftovers away and tell myself that I can have them when I am hungry again. Today, I threw away shredded wheat that was 3 years old after thinking about whether or not I really like the cereal. My realization was, that I really don't like it. I used to eat it because it was " healthy. "

The history in my family goes back to the WWII and the food shortage my family encountered in central Europe as well as the traumas of war. I cannot really imagine what that had to be like because I have never been really hungry or unsafe in my life. It is interesting how those attitudes are carried down each generation, of course unconsciously.

I gained weight in my mid-20s after changing careers and while I was building my business. I think there was a lot of boredom and fear that I felt while I was waiting for business to pick up. I feel that I am on a really great path to reconnect with my deepest self and spontaneity that has been suppressed for so long.

Thanks for listening and for being here.

Vera

[Guest guest]

Yep. Same here. Restricting what I was eating was virtuous and I was somehow superior for doing it. I had self-control while others didn't. I looked at my life through the prism of eating behavior and how I could manipulate my body's natural biological needs. It was exhausting and thrilling at the same time.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Hello from a new memberTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 12:20 PM

You wrote, "...and yet somehow "virtuous," which is similar to how following any diet tends to feel, but this one was more 'high minded.'" I love that - high minded dieting! I always did feel exhalted when I was successfully dieting and restricting. And there's so much political correctness around following the latest diet fad. Woof - look at me, I'm only eating organic wheat bran and agave juice - just four hundred calories a day!!! Truth is, though being on a diet was the the only time I felt right in the world - because it was the only marker for success I grew up with. And it was initially so easy to deprive myself in order to be a success in life (thin). But self-deprivation eventually no longer worked and thin somehow never felt like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in spite of having nothing to replace it... Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

[Guest guest]

Yep. Same here. Restricting what I was eating was virtuous and I was somehow superior for doing it. I had self-control while others didn't. I looked at my life through the prism of eating behavior and how I could manipulate my body's natural biological needs. It was exhausting and thrilling at the same time.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Hello from a new memberTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 12:20 PM

You wrote, "...and yet somehow "virtuous," which is similar to how following any diet tends to feel, but this one was more 'high minded.'" I love that - high minded dieting! I always did feel exhalted when I was successfully dieting and restricting. And there's so much political correctness around following the latest diet fad. Woof - look at me, I'm only eating organic wheat bran and agave juice - just four hundred calories a day!!! Truth is, though being on a diet was the the only time I felt right in the world - because it was the only marker for success I grew up with. And it was initially so easy to deprive myself in order to be a success in life (thin). But self-deprivation eventually no longer worked and thin somehow never felt like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in spite of having nothing to replace it... Sandarah (waxing philosophical)

[Guest guest]

Yep. Same here. Restricting what I was eating was virtuous and I was somehow superior for doing it. I had self-control while others didn't. I looked at my life through the prism of eating behavior and how I could manipulate my body's natural biological needs. It was exhausting and thrilling at the same time.

Mimi

Subject: Re: Hello from a new memberTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 12:20 PM

You wrote, "...and yet somehow "virtuous," which is similar to how following any diet tends to feel, but this one was more 'high minded.'" I love that - high minded dieting! I always did feel exhalted when I was successfully dieting and restricting. And there's so much political correctness around following the latest diet fad. Woof - look at me, I'm only eating organic wheat bran and agave juice - just four hundred calories a day!!! Truth is, though being on a diet was the the only time I felt right in the world - because it was the only marker for success I grew up with. And it was initially so easy to deprive myself in order to be a success in life (thin). But self-deprivation eventually no longer worked and thin somehow never felt like it was enough. Thus the myth began to unravel in spite of having nothing to replace it... Sandarah (waxing philosophical)