H2O

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In a message dated 7/24/99 3:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

F.Byron@... writes:

<< Most illness has a dimension of dehydration to it...lyme included. Your

body

needs water to function...your sinus alone use over a pint a day! >>

my family went to three doubleheader international soccer games Friday,

Saturday, and Sunday.....after the last game (sweltering all three game days

) we went out to dinner and I drank over 80 ounces of fluid till I felt

better.....b

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In a message dated 7/26/99 9:01:59 AM, lyme-aidonelist writes:

<<Hi ,

I have bitten the bullett and am drinking aprox 64oz water/day.

and today, mon. will be my third day.

Dabs, water logged in conn >>

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Hi Dabs

Congratulations!

I think that I drink a small pond of H2O each day! My trade mark is my water

bottle collection. I have been drinking more water for years now, but the

abx have an awful " metallic " type of after taste, so I drink much more now.

We were discussing Dr. , and I meant to get back to you after

my app. last week... oops.... Well, I don't think he knows much about

" natural supplements " at all. He has put me on Ceftin and told me to up the

Acidophollis. When I asked

about additional supplements he didn't have any suggestions...

BTW... did you know that 66 tablet of Ceftin cost over $525!!! OUCH!!!!

What are they... made of platinum???

I saw a wonderful neurologist last Wed. and I am going for an MRI on Wed.

The neurologist did tell me that if she sees inflammation consistent with

Lyme on the MRI, then I will be looking at IV antibiotic treatment. How is

it one can get SO sick SO quickly. The first week of April I was skiing in

Aspen!! Now I hobble, can barely lift my legs to climb stairs, and I fall

for no apparent reason. I want my body back.. I want to FEEL again! This

sucks!!! Okay done venting...

I am actually quite interested in seeing my brain... Very cool stuff. This

neurologist is SO nice, that if she can't get to me with the results of the

MRI before I leave for FL on Thursday... she is giving me a special phone

number so that I can reach her free and directly from Florida! Now that is a

very nice doctor IMHO!!! I feel blessed that I have found some very

receptive and caring medical professionals!

So, back to the Dr. observation.... No to lots of

supplements and yes most definitely he uses IV abx... BTW my Western Blot

was equivocal... 4 positive bands for Lyme not five,,, Babesia tests came

back negative...

I will be away from 7/29 to 8/4. I hope I am stronger soon, because I will

be at a conference and I wanted to spend 2 days at Disney! I am also

uncomfortable traveling alone feeling this way, as I feel vulnerable. But, I

am also having fun playing big tipper... as all the service folks were more

than happy to take good care of me and my belongings....

If there is a will there is a WAY!!!

I hope this finds everyone out there in this Land of Lyme on the road to

better health and improved humor!!!!

Thanks for being there and sharing... You are all strong, caring, and

compassionate

people.... (even if we get grumpy (<

Take Care!

Jane

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I drink no water what so ever. I drink Dr. Pepper from the time I get up to

the time I go to bed. Luckily I've not had any kidney infections, knock on

wood. I've probably had 3 my entire life. I drink water once in a blue moon

during

the summertime at night.

I'd say you'd probably need to drink 16-32 oz. of water a day. But I don't

know.. I don't have MD after my name..

Ames

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Water is da bomb! I drink as much as I can, I am lucky my parents

never let me have soda as a toddler or as a young kid. Because of

that I really am not a fan of soda. All I was allowed to drink was

Milk which I love to this day, Orange juice, and water. No kool-

ade and no soda.

Okay my rant, I absolutely hate stupid parents that give their 2,

3, 4, 5 year old soda OMG slap them silly. Honestly its not

healthy for them and kids do not need sugar! Kool-ade is not a

juice substitute either. I grew up in apartments that were filled

with not so well off families and believe me the amount of rotted

teeth I saw in little kids was amazing, now monique you say maybe

they didn't brush their teeth, or maybe they had weak teeth. Nope

I remember them guzzling down soda and kool-ade clearly.

Soda can be yummy but its just not healthy, especially

caffeinated, it will make you more thirsty. Also diet isn't good,

my grandma was an avid diet coke drinker and she gave it up and lost

some weight.

okee done ranting!

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In a message dated 5/29/03 11:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

irish_p_butter@... writes:

> Soda can be yummy but its just not healthy, especially

>

I have stayed away from soda the past few months and have lost some weight

due to that. I feel less 'bloated.'

I do drink a glass full each day. I add a lemon to my water for some

flavor. In the summertime I do drink more water.

Basically it's Coffee, milk, iced tea, orange juice or lemonade for me.

Helen

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can i just say its been proved that neither is water a guy has died from

drinking water cos he drank nothing but water everyday for 10 years and it

killed him cos it flushes things out your body that you need

HelenJW@... wrote:In a message dated 5/29/03 11:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight

Time,

irish_p_butter@... writes:

> Soda can be yummy but its just not healthy, especially

>

I have stayed away from soda the past few months and have lost some weight

due to that. I feel less 'bloated.'

I do drink a glass full each day. I add a lemon to my water for some

flavor. In the summertime I do drink more water.

Basically it's Coffee, milk, iced tea, orange juice or lemonade for me.

Helen

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Utah parents accused of killing 4-year-old daughter with water

Tue May 6, 5:22 PM ET Add Crimes and Trials - Court TV to My

By S. N. , Court TV

(Court TV) — When 4-year-old Cassandra Killpack drank juice from a

cup intended for her adopted sister, Killpack, 7, the older

child said she knew what would happen.

" I said, 'You'll have to go to Mom and do the drinking-water thing,' "

the Killpacks' biological daughter said in a videotaped police

interview played in court on the first day of her parents' three-day

preliminary hearing. " She makes her drink 'til she pukes, "

told police, according to a report on the hearing in the Salt Lake

Tribune.

Cassandra's adoptive parents, Killpack, 34, and his wife

Jennete Killpack, 26, are charged with felony child abuse and felony

child abuse homicide for allegedly killing her by force-feeding her

too much water. If convicted they could each face up to 20 years in

prison. Water intoxication occurs when a large amount of water is

introduced into the body which dilutes the amount of sodium in the

body causing the brain to swell.

The Killpacks have insisted they were using " water therapy " to try

and help cure her emotional problems. In television appearances and

through their lawyer, the couple maintains that a therapist

recommended feeding their emotionally-troubled daughter by hand to

promote dependence and trust.

They also say that they didn't know their daughter's sodium was

already low because she had exercised earlier in the day and that she

was only made to drink 12 ounces of water. But prosecutors in Provo,

Utah aren't buying it.

Sherry Ragan, chief of Utah County Attorney's criminal division, told

NBC's " Today " show that forensic evidence indicates that Cassandra

drank much more than 12 ounces. She also said that cuts and bruises

around Cassandra's mouth indicated that she was force-fed.

In the 911 call Killpack told the operator, when she asked

what had happened:

" [she] had a lot of emotional problems. To make a long story short,

she had one of her temper tantrums todayWe need to give her quite a

bit of water. She threw upand then all of a sudden she's just not

thereWe can't keep her eyes open. "

In the phone call Killpack speculated that Cassandra might have

knocked herself unconscious during her violent fit.

The case has also drawn attention to the possible dangers of the

treatments for emotionally withdrawn children practiced by the center

the Killpacks attended.

Cassandra had ben diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder—which

is frequently seen in foster care children and means they are

resistant to emotional bonding. Doctors say that such children can

become violent and that building a relationship with them can be very

difficult.

The Cascade Center for Family Growth denied any involvement saying

that water therapy was not on their list of treatments. After a three

month investigation the center was cleared in the death. However,

Utah officials are seeking to revoke the center's license and the

state legislators have approved a resolution banning another

controversial treatment called holding therapy, which involves

physically holding a child in an attempt to revisit infancy.

A phone call the to Cascade Center was not returned.

Two years ago in Colorado Jeane Newmaker was convicted in the death

of her 10-year-old adopted daughter, who suffocated after being

wrapped in blankets and pillows during what was called a " rebirthing

session. "

Water intoxication is a relatively rare cause of death. There are

cases of it being self-induced. For example a year ago a woman

running the Boston Marathon died because she drank only water instead

of alternating with a sports drink.

Two other homicide by water cases have made headlines recently. In

Florida a babysitter, Gayoso, is accused of forced 3-year-old

Rosita to drink more than a gallon of water. She has pleaded

not guilty.

In Long Island, N.Y. 11 fraternity brothers were charged last week

with criminally negligent homicide for the death of an 18-year-old

pledge to their fraternity. They allegedly forced Walter Dean

Jennings to drink large amounts of water through a funnel until he

vomited. The hazing ritual was reportedly called " water torture. "

The Killpack's preliminary hearing was originally scheduled for

December but was postponed because Jennete Killpack was nine months

pregnant and her doctor was planning to induce labor that week.

The couple has two other children, one adopted, both of whom are in

foster care.

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> I can't remember the technical/medical term but there is such a

thing as

> " overdosing " on water. I read recently of a college freshman who

died from

> this. It happened as a result of a fraternity hazing incident in

which he

> was forced to drink an incredible amount of water.

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There is a factor here you folks seem to be omitting. Recently a

study came out the said people do not need to actually drink as much

a previous guideline had one indicated. This is due to not taking

into account the amount of liquid found in other sources; i.e. the

food we eat. Drinking excessive amounts of liquid does nothing to

promote health further.

Also, having suffered a kidney stone attack a couple of months back,

the second in 20 years or so, I have a little insight on that matter

as well. First, while there are certain types of kidney stones

that " MIGHT " be reduced some with the comsumption of water, these

are the type of stones that are usually common. Those particular

stones require large amounts of fluid to keep them from reoccurring,

even to the degree of waking at regular times during the night for

the sole purpose of drinking water. The more common types of stones

occur without much of a reason and can occur with or without large

amounts of liquids. Some of the causes can actually be found in a

large number of types of food, including fruits and vegetables.

Water for kidney health has more to do with keeping the levels of

toxins lower while the urine is stored in the kidneys.

The rule of thumb the urologist gave for the amount of liquids to

consume didn't have anything to do with body weight formula. Instead

he indicated the proper way to tell if a person is consuming enough

fluid is if the urine is mostly clear in color when it is evacuated.

This doesnt count for the first time of the day since overnight the

kidneys store urine and the toxins will be greater then.

As for drinking too much water. Yes, there is such a thing. However,

the examples given are more on the extreme as a result of being

forced to drink large quantities. The more like of problems that

would develop from consuming too much water is an imbalance in the

electrolytes in the body. Many of the vitamins, minerals, and

enzymes the body needs are water soluable. In other words they can

be washed out of the body by liquids passing through. One of these

is sodium. The loss of sodium is what was behind the deaths of the

persons mentioned. If you will notice, if you ever have an IV, they

use saline solution as the base instead of plain water. If they ran

liters of plain water through a person death would occur.

Anyone considering dramatically increasing their fluid intake should

consult an M.D. before doing so. While it is health to drink fluids,

too much of a good thing can go against you.

Im not a doctor and I dont play one on TV. But if anyone out there

wants to play " nurse " , maybe we can work something out... Alas, I

regress.

M.

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Too much water is not a good thing. My friend ended up in the hospital and

became limited to a liter of water a day. She was taking vitamins but the water

was flushing everything out.

Her potassium level had gone down so much that it affected her heart.

Karin

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At 5:42 PM -0700 5/30/03, kitties77 wrote:

>Too much water is not a good thing. My friend ended up in the

>hospital and became limited to a liter of water a day. She was

>taking vitamins but the water was flushing everything out.

>Her potassium level had gone down so much that it affected her heart.

>Karin

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Yes Water..Drink it or don't its up to you all. Too much is bad.too

little is bad. But I would bet that more people are under hydrated

than over. here in the South West there is not ever too much water..

So can we call a truce on the water issue.. Lets talk about somerthing

simple like WAR>>Skye

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But Skye, war and politics are so controversial........imagine the trouble

we'll get into. We couldn't even discuss water.

Dorey

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From: " gonzo_skye " <gonzo_skye@...>

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Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:10 PM

Subject: H2O

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> Yes Water..Drink it or don't its up to you all. Too much is bad.too

> little is bad. But I would bet that more people are under hydrated

> than over. here in the South West there is not ever too much water..

> So can we call a truce on the water issue.. Lets talk about somerthing

> simple like WAR>>Skye

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I was just being sarcastic...I do not wish to talk of war..or

politics.I save that for my Blog...Skye

> But Skye, war and politics are so controversial........imagine the

trouble

> we'll get into. We couldn't even discuss water.

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> Dorey

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> <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:10 PM

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