Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, if your body is letting you know that it does not want or prefer to eat 'animal products', that sounds IE to me. My sister-in-law has very severe reactions to chicken, less so to beef and fish, but she has chosen to eat no chicken and very little meats since that is what suits her body best. As for cholesterol and the studies which have been done relating it to heart disease etc., I've come across more lately that don't support that one-to-one correlation. My own suspicion is that the studies that linked these were sponsored and promoted by companies that made the drugs to control that element. Not only are those drugs potentially harming to one's liver, there is question as to whether or not the plague is strictly cholesterol based or not. Its not a clear conclusion one way or the other to me so I'm not basing my body's needs on a 'should'. You really seem to have a strong desire to eat a " plant based, whole food diet " . Does that come from your body's feedback (digestive, blood sugar levels [light headedness, nausea etc.] or from an 'expert' opinion? Its easy to feel we don't have a clue about our own bodies and that we need, but how can we know if that is true or not unless we test for ourselves? I seriously doubt you will fall over from a heart attack if you eat cholesterol containing foods for a few weeks. I can't help but wonder if you could feel any difference - positive or negative - if you gave that a try. A lot of returning to being intuitive with your own body is being able to release EXternal 'expert' directions in favor of the one expert that you always have - your own INternal one. BEST to you and may you be happy with whatever you eat. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? > > Alia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, if your body is letting you know that it does not want or prefer to eat 'animal products', that sounds IE to me. My sister-in-law has very severe reactions to chicken, less so to beef and fish, but she has chosen to eat no chicken and very little meats since that is what suits her body best. As for cholesterol and the studies which have been done relating it to heart disease etc., I've come across more lately that don't support that one-to-one correlation. My own suspicion is that the studies that linked these were sponsored and promoted by companies that made the drugs to control that element. Not only are those drugs potentially harming to one's liver, there is question as to whether or not the plague is strictly cholesterol based or not. Its not a clear conclusion one way or the other to me so I'm not basing my body's needs on a 'should'. You really seem to have a strong desire to eat a " plant based, whole food diet " . Does that come from your body's feedback (digestive, blood sugar levels [light headedness, nausea etc.] or from an 'expert' opinion? Its easy to feel we don't have a clue about our own bodies and that we need, but how can we know if that is true or not unless we test for ourselves? I seriously doubt you will fall over from a heart attack if you eat cholesterol containing foods for a few weeks. I can't help but wonder if you could feel any difference - positive or negative - if you gave that a try. A lot of returning to being intuitive with your own body is being able to release EXternal 'expert' directions in favor of the one expert that you always have - your own INternal one. BEST to you and may you be happy with whatever you eat. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? > > Alia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, if your body is letting you know that it does not want or prefer to eat 'animal products', that sounds IE to me. My sister-in-law has very severe reactions to chicken, less so to beef and fish, but she has chosen to eat no chicken and very little meats since that is what suits her body best. As for cholesterol and the studies which have been done relating it to heart disease etc., I've come across more lately that don't support that one-to-one correlation. My own suspicion is that the studies that linked these were sponsored and promoted by companies that made the drugs to control that element. Not only are those drugs potentially harming to one's liver, there is question as to whether or not the plague is strictly cholesterol based or not. Its not a clear conclusion one way or the other to me so I'm not basing my body's needs on a 'should'. You really seem to have a strong desire to eat a " plant based, whole food diet " . Does that come from your body's feedback (digestive, blood sugar levels [light headedness, nausea etc.] or from an 'expert' opinion? Its easy to feel we don't have a clue about our own bodies and that we need, but how can we know if that is true or not unless we test for ourselves? I seriously doubt you will fall over from a heart attack if you eat cholesterol containing foods for a few weeks. I can't help but wonder if you could feel any difference - positive or negative - if you gave that a try. A lot of returning to being intuitive with your own body is being able to release EXternal 'expert' directions in favor of the one expert that you always have - your own INternal one. BEST to you and may you be happy with whatever you eat. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? > > Alia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, this decision has nothing to do with IE and everything to do with you. Look at the short basic list of IE recommendations with your eyes open. Eat when hungry. Eat what you really want. Stop when not hungry. Where within those guidelines is there a conflict with you being vegan? Your followup questions have to be answered by you. "my cholesterol, my life, but is it?" only you can answer that, and the following questions. GL Judy To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:20 AMSubject: veganism and IE Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? Alia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, I've struggled with nutrition issues with IE, too. In the past, I've been a staunch believer that nutrition was the cause and cure of all ailments; that if I ate my daily quota of anti-oxidants and keep away from supposedly "toxic" animal products and the like, I would enjoy perfect health. Well, I got cancer anyway at the age of 34. I've since come to understand that our bodies are very complicated organisms and that nutrition is one of many, many, many things that affect how we will react to environmental forces, illness, stress, injury, etc. Believe it or not, it was only after going through grueling cancer therapies that I become much more relaxed about food. The evidence that being vegetarian is a curative is far from conclusive. Still, if you feel better living that way, that's entirely your call, but I would caution against doing it out of guilt or external dictates pertaining to health. Now, I eat healthy foods because I enjoy them and my body enjoys them, and I am in great health. Explore to find out what's right for you. I believe that eating grass-fed beef, sustainable fish, and humanly-treated poultry is good for our health and the environment. But those are my beliefs and I would never impose them on anyone else. If your body feels better eating a vegetarian diet, than that's the right approach for you. Mimi Subject: veganism and IETo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 9:20 AM Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? Alia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, I've struggled with nutrition issues with IE, too. In the past, I've been a staunch believer that nutrition was the cause and cure of all ailments; that if I ate my daily quota of anti-oxidants and keep away from supposedly "toxic" animal products and the like, I would enjoy perfect health. Well, I got cancer anyway at the age of 34. I've since come to understand that our bodies are very complicated organisms and that nutrition is one of many, many, many things that affect how we will react to environmental forces, illness, stress, injury, etc. Believe it or not, it was only after going through grueling cancer therapies that I become much more relaxed about food. The evidence that being vegetarian is a curative is far from conclusive. Still, if you feel better living that way, that's entirely your call, but I would caution against doing it out of guilt or external dictates pertaining to health. Now, I eat healthy foods because I enjoy them and my body enjoys them, and I am in great health. Explore to find out what's right for you. I believe that eating grass-fed beef, sustainable fish, and humanly-treated poultry is good for our health and the environment. But those are my beliefs and I would never impose them on anyone else. If your body feels better eating a vegetarian diet, than that's the right approach for you. Mimi Subject: veganism and IETo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 9:20 AM Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? Alia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks for this. I think part of this is my mother's colon cancer in 2008. I could use her diet, her meds for a rare skin condition, anything I could think of as a reason she got sick, and if I just ate the right food then I wouldn't get the same thing, even though my risk is supposedly now higher. I've also heard what we focus on is what we bring to our lives whether we intend it or not, so my continual focus on how not to get cancer/illness will bring that very thing to me. I know this is a bit new age for some, but I'm putting it out there. I guess I have to admit the scary possibility that anyone can become ill even if they do all the "right" things. I hope you are doing well after your treatment. My mother is clear thus far. AliaAlia, I've struggled with nutrition issues with IE, too. In the past, I've been a staunch believer that nutrition was the cause and cure of all ailments; that if I ate my daily quota of anti-oxidants and keep away from supposedly "toxic" animal products and the like, I would enjoy perfect health. Well, I got cancer anyway at the age of 34. I've since come to understand that our bodies are very complicated organisms and that nutrition is one of many, many, many things that affect how we will react to environmental forces, illness, stress, injury, etc. Believe it or not, it was only after going through grueling cancer therapies that I become much more relaxed about food. The evidence that being vegetarian is a curative is far from conclusive. Still, if you feel better living that way, that's entirely your call, but I would caution against doing it out of guilt or external dictates pertaining to health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, my brother, who was slim until middle age and then only about 20# overweight and had been a vegetarian since puberty and a vegan for at least a decade, had 2 major heart attacks at 45. So diet doesn't remove the risk. For me, it came down to this: Do I actually want to eat this way, or am I feeling restricted doing it? That answer will vary by the person. For me, eating vegan set me up for rebellion, which would lead to far MORE unhealthy eating than simply allowing myself to eat anything when I am hungry. I have decided to trust my own body over whatever whichever experts I happen to be listening to have to say. Jane > > Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? > > Alia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, my brother, who was slim until middle age and then only about 20# overweight and had been a vegetarian since puberty and a vegan for at least a decade, had 2 major heart attacks at 45. So diet doesn't remove the risk. For me, it came down to this: Do I actually want to eat this way, or am I feeling restricted doing it? That answer will vary by the person. For me, eating vegan set me up for rebellion, which would lead to far MORE unhealthy eating than simply allowing myself to eat anything when I am hungry. I have decided to trust my own body over whatever whichever experts I happen to be listening to have to say. Jane > > Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? > > Alia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Alia, my brother, who was slim until middle age and then only about 20# overweight and had been a vegetarian since puberty and a vegan for at least a decade, had 2 major heart attacks at 45. So diet doesn't remove the risk. For me, it came down to this: Do I actually want to eat this way, or am I feeling restricted doing it? That answer will vary by the person. For me, eating vegan set me up for rebellion, which would lead to far MORE unhealthy eating than simply allowing myself to eat anything when I am hungry. I have decided to trust my own body over whatever whichever experts I happen to be listening to have to say. Jane > > Okay, this is a sticky issue for me. How do I resolve my feeling that eating a plant based, whole food diet is the best thing with IE? It is restrictive in its philosophy. You are cutting out *all* animal products. I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? is it worth it to eat this way? Am I using too much energy on this, and becoming too obsessive? I feel like my nutritional knowledge won't allow me to eat any other way. I have seen cancer, heart disease in my family. I want protection from that. I know the studies, so what now? > > Alia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 It's so seductive to listen to those doctors preaching a vegan diet as the *cure* for everything, because the science is there for eating whole foods, but as you illustrated it isn't always the case. For now I don't feel restricted by it much. If/when I do I hope I have the wisdom to follow my body signals. Alia > Alia, my brother, who was slim until middle age and then only about 20# overweight and had been a vegetarian since puberty and a vegan for at least a decade, had 2 major heart attacks at 45. So diet doesn't remove the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 It's so seductive to listen to those doctors preaching a vegan diet as the *cure* for everything, because the science is there for eating whole foods, but as you illustrated it isn't always the case. For now I don't feel restricted by it much. If/when I do I hope I have the wisdom to follow my body signals. Alia > Alia, my brother, who was slim until middle age and then only about 20# overweight and had been a vegetarian since puberty and a vegan for at least a decade, had 2 major heart attacks at 45. So diet doesn't remove the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 This is something I am planning actually. On saturday we are going out to a fairly healthy restaurant, fresh foods, amazing soups and salads and pastas. I am planning on trying some of the non vegetarian options, and see how I feel. I am excited to see if my bodyhas any reaction to it, see if I feel more energetic or less, if I feel more satisfied or less. Alia > You really seem to have a strong desire to eat a " plant based, whole food diet " . Does that come from your body's feedback (digestive, blood sugar levels [light headedness, nausea etc.] or from an 'expert' opinion? Its easy to feel we don't have a clue about our own bodies and that we need, but how can we know if that is true or not unless we test for ourselves? I seriously doubt you will fall over from a heart attack if you eat cholesterol containing foods for a few weeks. I can't help but wonder if you could feel any difference - positive or negative - if you gave that a try. A lot of returning to being intuitive with your own body is being able to release EXternal 'expert' directions in favor of the one expert that you always have - your own INternal one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I truly believe it's best for me, my arteries, my cholesterol, my life, but is it? There is no doubt it helps lower risk of diseases, none..but how much? Ask your doctor if that's true. For example, eating fish is believed to be important. If you are truly mindful of your body, your body will tell you. I used to eat a huge amount of meat; now, I simply don't like much meat at all. Paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 It's totally natural that you would want to cling to the idea that you can control your health after seeing your mother go through treatment. Let's face it, cancer is a scary thing and, for some people, their greatest fear. I certainly think eating a whole foods, nutrient dense diet is a good thing and something I do strive for. I don't think it's the be all and end all of good health, but it's something that makes me feel good, both in body and mind, so why not? I just try to take the guilt, blame, and fear out of the equation. I find that I eat better quality food that way anyway, and I suffer less. Mimi Alia, I've struggled with nutrition issues with IE, too. In the past, I've been a staunch believer that nutrition was the cause and cure of all ailments; that if I ate my daily quota of anti-oxidants and keep away from supposedly "toxic" animal products and the like, I would enjoy perfect health. Well, I got cancer anyway at the age of 34. I've since come to understand that our bodies are very complicated organisms and that nutrition is one of many, many, many things that affect how we will react to environmental forces, illness, stress, injury, etc. Believe it or not, it was only after going through grueling cancer therapies that I become much more relaxed about food. The evidence that being vegetarian is a curative is far from conclusive. Still, if you feel better living that way, that's entirely your call, but I would caution against doing it out of guilt or external dictates pertaining to health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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